BIG V

[the dog]

Does the Big V still exist. Havent heard anything for a while. Whats the comings and goings?

[Homer]

Of course the Big v still exists. They have there own web site and forum etc etc.
Unfortunately someone in their wisdom deleted 75% of threads in this ABA topic but left all those useless "Poll" threads.
Go figure. :roll:

[deskchair]

Of course the Big v still exists. They have there own web site and forum etc etc.
Unfortunately someone in their wisdom deleted 75% of threads in this ABA topic but left all those useless "Poll" threads.
Go figure. :roll:

Yeah the league has top people running it. The season finished 4 months ago and there still is no fixture for the upcoming season and we are in the new year I think aren't we.

[Poida]

It's a pretty big job putting a fixture out for 90+ teams and well over a thousand games!

[deskchair]

It's a pretty big job putting a fixture out for 90+ teams and well over a thousand games!

I'm sure over 4 months is enough time considering seabl put out their fixture a whole month ago. Plus the big v said the fixture would be released befor christmas.

[Mama B]

It's a pretty big job putting a fixture out for 90+ teams and well over a thousand games!

I'm sure over 4 months is enough time considering seabl put out their fixture a whole month ago. Plus the big v said the fixture would be released befor christmas.

yes, but seabl only have two conferences and a total of fourteen teams to organise.

[catcountry]

So wouldn't you release championship division men's and women's first then work your way through the rest ?

(Mark and Michael rock :P )

[Skindog the Hawk]

Unfortunately someone in their wisdom deleted 75% of threads in this ABA topic but left all those useless "Poll" threads.
Go figure. :roll:

What you'll find is that within this forum if there is no reply to a thread within ~30 days and it is not a sticky, announcement or poll, then the system automatically deletes it.

SD.

[Observer]

It's a pretty big job putting a fixture out for 90+ teams and well over a thousand games!

I'm sure over 4 months is enough time considering seabl put out their fixture a whole month ago. Plus the big v said the fixture would be released befor christmas.

yes, but seabl only have two conferences and a total of fourteen teams to organise.

NSW have done thier draws for the same number of teams. For once NSW is in front of VIC :lol:

[coachdb]

With the AGM in mid-late November and the structure of the leagues discussed there, the Big V fixtures have always come out later than the SEABL ones.

When I was coaching in the league, I recall getting a first draft in late December and a final fixture in late January.

The clubs get them well before they are 'released to the public'.

You couldn't possibly stagger the release of the fixtures for the different leagues as the availability of venues is the biggest problem. Some venues host 4 teams from a single club, and some venues even host two clubs!!

Not a small job... :)

[Gary Gunner]

Unfortunately someone in their wisdom deleted 75% of threads in this ABA topic but left all those useless "Poll" threads.
Go figure. :roll:

What you'll find is that within this forum if there is no reply to a thread within ~30 days and it is not a sticky, announcement or poll, then the system automatically deletes it.

SD.
I don't understand the logic behind deleting all these threads after 30 days of inactivity. I've PM'd the oracle asking why this is so and request some settings be adjusted but I have not received a reply as of yet. Am I the only one that thinks they are a good resource that should be kept online?

So back to hoops...Is the big V's biggest signing returning for another year at Sandy? Apols if this has already been discussed in other Big V threads but I already have enough websites in my life. Hope you Big V lovers can keep this thread updated this year it was a good read last year (or at least every 30 days :? )

[patm]

I don't understand the logic behind deleting all these threads after 30 days of inactivity. I've PM'd the oracle asking why this is so and request some settings be adjusted but I have not received a reply as of yet. Am I the only one that thinks they are a good resource that should be kept online?
I agreed with you last time and I agree with you again.
I find these boards a great resource.
If it is a matter of cost/resource then maybe we could be asked if we want to contribute.

[Skindog the Hawk]

With the 30 day limit, you'll ask to ask Derek about that one.

Sd.

[Homer]

What you'll find is that within this forum if there is no reply to a thread within ~30 days and it is not a sticky, announcement or poll, then the system automatically deletes it.SD.Easy fixed, if you want a thread to last, even at a quiet time of the year, make sure you add a poll. :wink:

[the dog]

any schedules out yet?

What are peoples thoughts on what teams will be pushing up the ladder this year. Looks like Dandy, Sandy, Hume City, Melbourne and Waverley should all be tough while Ringwood and Werribee could surprise.

Any news from the 'Bool.

[The_Janitor]

Any news from the 'BoolOnly that the BC will apparently be playing footy this year... for Russels Creek apparently

[Poida]

BC would be more suited to playing in the front row of the local rugby team! 8)

[Heavy Drama]

BC would be more suited to playing in the front row of the local rugby team! 8)

Damn Poida, RUGBY? Geesh thats Harsh. Tim Gainey was kept for the upcoming year. Paton apparently is going to live in Geelong, Burch might have the year off (UNI???) Savige, Gainey, Gleeson, Import (Hopefully) and some under 18 squad kids. If Burch stays then at least that 1st 5 can be competitive. They need a drive in player like we had in my dude Dean Plummer years ago.


RUGBY??? ugh!

[Gary Gunner]

With the 30 day limit, you'll ask to ask Derek about that one.

Sd.
It's a money issue. Mb=$. DK can't afford to archive.

Thanks for the reply Derek.

[Mama B]

Paton apparently is going to live in Geelong, Burch might have the year off (UNI???) Savige, Gainey, Gleeson, Import (Hopefully) and some under 18 squad kids.


I gave your boy three or four good import options already, what more do you want? lol. Will have to make a trip up to a Russel Creek game this season, BC playing football is too good to miss! haha.

[Homer]

I'm not too sure if he's still playing but Randy Anderson from Hume city was playing local footy for a few years.
I think he was playing in the Diamond Valley League.

[aussieBaller]

Some big names to suit up for waverley. Brad Hill and Chris Cameron and Kathleen MacLeod in the women. Looks like the money is being splashed around

[George the Gragon]

Sandy have Kye Patrick and are chasing Darnell Hinson

[Melbourne Wildcat]

Waverley looking very strong with Brad Hill, Chris Cameron, Simon Blennerhasset, Shannon Seebolm. Shanahan is the coach this season right?

[Poida]

Shanahan is the coach this season right?

That will be their downfall if he plays!

[aussieBaller]

Seebolm wont play

[the dog]

final 6 predictions this year..

in no particular order.

Dandenong, Sandringham, Hume City, Melb Tigers, Ringwood and Waverley.

Werribee to improve, Diamond Valley, Warrnambool and Latrobe City to struggle.

Eltham just behind Werribee in about 8th.

[George the Gragon]

Until we see the rosters it is hard to know what changes there will be in the competition. I know Rangers have an almost unchanged line up and are hoping to add two of their former juniors who will return after graduating from US Colleges.

[aussieBaller]

George who has replaced mem?

[elton branded]

George who has replaced mem? Is Bektas playing anywhere at all?

[aussieBaller]

no retired

[The_Janitor]

My mates were shattered when i told them the news that Mehmet had retired... But as long as Matty Witherden is still playing they'll be there :lol:

[Poida]

Witherton's defensive prowess is a much needed commodity aboard the Ranger Train :lol:

[Perimeter Wizard]

Does anyone know if big george williams is playing at sandi this year?

[George the Gragon]

Sedale Threatt jnr has joined Sandy but no sure about George Williams. According to talk Vince is going with more Sandy juniours this year.

Rangers are waiting on an answer from Bektas after a week of twisting his arm to continue.

[aussieBaller]

fixture out

[George the Gragon]

Rangers women have added Macca, Probst and Demelza to their team.

[Dicky V]

Rangers men starting to gather momentum with Wheeler and Inglima appearing today for the first time. Rangers beat the Supercats by 43. They still have to add Hobba plus another player to their squad. They are looking for another Forward who could fit their team. They only have one restricted player so far so the possibilties are broad.

[the dog]

Are the Rangers looking at any big guys in particular Dicky V?

[tommy gunn]

Frankston beat Dandenong by 8 yesterday. Frankston just cruised most of the game and took it easy

[Dicky V]

Frankston have got a lot better in the last few years since Coach Runchey appointed a new assistant. They were going no where at the time.

[Homer]

Frankston have got a lot better in the last few years since Coach Runchey appointed a new assistant. They were going no where at the time.Who was the assistant, Brian Blakely?

[George the Gragon]

Sandy have recruited another import for this season. Well credentialled wing player, streetballer who goes by the name of "murder"!!!

He will gve them a different look with Conn and Patrick up front with Moore, Neilson and co to play roles. It will be intetresting to see if they can bridge the gap to the Rangers.

[the dog]

whats the news on the practice games front.

I heard Sandy beat Hume City by about 27 on thursday night and then backed it up with a win over Ringwood by 10.

any other games recently?

Any news on final rosters.

[whispers]

Has the spooks entered 2 teams this season?.good way to guarantee sucess.might get the Quinella!!!

[vdogg]

Sedale Threatt jnr has joined Sandy but no sure about George Williams. According to talk Vince is going with more Sandy juniours this year.

Rangers are waiting on an answer from Bektas after a week of twisting his arm to continue.

lookin to contact bektas about playing qabl for the bundy bulls anybody know how to contact him we need a big and have some dollars to offer him

[aussieBaller]

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[patm]

Frankston have got a lot better in the last few years since Coach Runchey appointed a new assistant. They were going no where at the time.
Are you really attributing their improvement to the appointment of Brett Rolfe as assistant? Wow! I would find that amazing. Not that I have ever experienced him coaching. But from other involvements I would find it hard to believe. But if things have improved then something must have changed. Bill certainly hasn't.

And wasn't Brett's predecessor in the role Mark Ridgeway?
Who moved on to be the womens head coach.

[George the Gragon]

Rangers over the Nawks in practice game last night. Witherden and Inglima led the way. It was good to see Wheeler back to almost his best.
Hawks are Ok although I'dlike to see their import take over a bit more. Snowball was good as was Seach. O'hea struggled as to Knowles.

Hawks were without Smith. Rangers had Hobba for the first time. Both He and Cannan struggled to make an impact.

Rangers could be better this year as they are expected to add some more talent to their roster. Rumour has it two college players plus a local big guy.

[George the Gragon]

Easy win for the Rangers tonight against an undermanned Tigers team. Cannan Hobba and Inglima were dominant. Greer and Sturt battled hard but Bo Westover was outplayed by Wheeler with back up from Dwayne Campbell. Interesting move by Rangers with Hobba playing off the bench.
I noticed that Rangers have added Andrew Murdock after a long lay off with a knee problem. If they can get him back on the court they will be very tough to beat.

Tigers still to add Corletto and Daniel Johnson so they will improve.

[UserFriendlyRoll]

Last time I saw Andrew Murdock he was the size of a bus. I hope he has worked it off.
Waverley start today. How will Bubble go coaching there?

[Lethal Vertical]

Is Pierre Jallow suiting up for Hume this year?

[Mama B]

Curtis Small picks up the first player of the week.

http://www.bigv.com.au/index.cgi?det=1& ... 2548&sID=1 (http://www.bigv.com.au/index.cgi?det=1&intArticleID=2548&sID=1)

[Poida]

Is Pierre Jallow suiting up for Hume this year?

Yes.

[DoubleA]

Curtis Small picks up the first player of the week.

http://www.bigv.com.au/index.cgi?det=1& ... 2548&sID=1 (http://www.bigv.com.au/index.cgi?det=1&intArticleID=2548&sID=1)

Curtis had it easy, Ringwood didnt put their big-banger Philp on the court.

[George the Gragon]

Rangers too good for Hume tonight. Hume still playing without Jallow.
Speers did well as did Petridis but Hobba, Cannan and Inglima led the way for the Rangers. Dwayne Campbell did very well in the third and last quarters and hit some good shots. Rangers are still not playing consistently and let Hume back iinto the game after racing out to a lead early.

Randy Anderson, who must be well over 40, struggled to make an impact as did Greg Smith and Russell Macintosh. Brad Collins can't get a shot in their system. The big Kid, Davis, looked alright.

It was quite a rough game, poorly refereed but inexperienced refs tried their best.

[singy]

Interesting reffing at the Veneto Club for the Tigers vs Ringwood Championship Mens game tonight. A regular shooting foul, plus 2 techs (one on Bo Westover and one on Al Westover for questioning the call that was wrong in the first place), somehow ended up as 7 free throws to Ringwood! :shock:
To make it worse, not only did the refs completely bugger the whole situation up, they tossed Al out for questioning it, with no warning. The incident just seemed to fire the Tigers up, and the crowd as well.
Aside from that, the Tigers came back from a 20 point deficit early (24-4) to win the game by 11 (102-91), with Tommy Greer scoring 27 points while also grabbing 17 boards in a huge effort. Adrien Sturt was a standout as well with 22 points & 15 rebounds, while DC scored 30 in his first game back.

[Lethal Vertical]

Is Pierre Jallow suiting up for Hume this year?

Yes.

In that case they'll be a contender.

Looks as if the top 2 will be Dandenong and Waverly, with Sandringham, the Tigers and Hume the other contenders and Ringwood as a smoky. Much the same as last year except Warrnambool are no longer anywhere near it.

[aussieBaller]

Dandy smashed werribee who only had 7 players suit up. Warrick Giddey was 1 of the seven. Matt Witherden was big as was hobba and cannon both had double doubles.

[Lethal Vertical]

Have a look at Waverly's team! Geez Louise they will be tough.

[Homer]

Interesting reffing at the Veneto Club for the Tigers vs Ringwood Championship Mens game tonight.Who was it, Daniel Banik and Steve Middleton?
Daniel was awarded Victorian referee of the year last weekend and Steve has been around for a number of years.

[rookie]

Homer:
Who was it, Daniel Banik and Steve Middleton?
Daniel was awarded Victorian referee of the year last weekend and Steve has been around for a number of years.

VBRA senior Panel Referee of the year.

Aylen was VBRA Referee of the Year with Arnold the Female referee of the year.

[Homer]

VBRA senior Panel Referee of the year.
Aylen was VBRA Referee of the Year with Arnold the Female referee of the year.Argh !!!!!!!!! Whatever !!!!!!!!!!!

[singy]

Tommy Greer earns "Hops" POW honours for Round 2 with his very impressive 27 points, 17 rebounds effort against Ringwood. He was a major factor in the comeback win, so it's good to see that recognised.

http://www.tigers.com.au/default.aspx?s ... y&id=74715 (http://www.tigers.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=74715)

[Lethal Vertical]

"Hops" POW???

[singy]

"Hops" POW???

New brand of basketball/sporting apparel, basketball shoes & casual shoes. They sponsor the weekly award.

[George the Gragon]

Eltham are coming to get the Rangers tomorrow night. They are at the top of their form and undefeated. Big Dan and Co will give the Rangers bigs some competition.

[Lethal Vertical]

Ha! I laughed when I read that yesterday, now I'm laughing more.

Following the Big V is getting boring- it's the same teams every year- Sandy, Dandy and Waverly. Melbourne and Hume are always good too but usually don't have the depth of the others.

[George the Gragon]

Ha! Gotcha!!!!!!

I agree that Big V is becoming boring but if you were at Rangers and Falcons game today you would have seen a terrific game.

[singy]

Following the Big V is getting boring- it's the same teams every year- Sandy, Dandy and Waverly. Melbourne and Hume are always good too but usually don't have the depth of the others.

Where were you on Saturday night? Thought you'd be at your local stadium to watch Hume vs Tigers. It was a good game that could've gone either way. Bit tough to call the Big V boring when you don't go to watch it! :wink:
Haven't seen you at a Tigers game yet either.

Tough double header this weekend for the Tigers, especially while only playing a 7-man rotation. DC was missing from both games, but Tommy Greer, Adrien Sturt & Matt O'Hea battled hard. Bo Westover played a great game at Hume, hitting 5/6 from beyond the arc, while Daniel Johnson was impressive in both games in his Big V debut, especially with his 33 points, 12 boards effort against Sandy today.

Pierre Jallow reminded me of Lampley - he just didn't shut up all night, and he even blew us a kiss after we were giving him a bit of stick during the game. It's all in good fun! :wink:

[George the Gragon]

Big games coming up for the Rangers with them playing Hume this week at home and then Sandringham on Anzac Day once again at home.

Rangers will be tested by a full strength Hume with Jallow back.

The Anzac Day game is a showcase game for the league with this being a continuation of the rivalry between the Ranggers and the Sabres. Sandy will be looking for a win after losing comprehensively to the Rangers in the grand final series last year.

[Lethal Vertical]

Following the Big V is getting boring- it's the same teams every year- Sandy, Dandy and Waverly. Melbourne and Hume are always good too but usually don't have the depth of the others.

Where were you on Saturday night? Thought you'd be at your local stadium to watch Hume vs Tigers. It was a good game that could've gone either way. Bit tough to call the Big V boring when you don't go to watch it! :wink:
Haven't seen you at a Tigers game yet either.



Would've been nice, I generally try to get to those games cos I follow both teams (mainly Hume, they're closer), but something came up- dinner at the girlfriends. There's always something. Who has time to watch sport! That's the reality. AFL footy is on in winter too, making Big V my 2nd league. One is too much, let alone two!

I won't even be taking up a Tigers membership next season- missed 3 games last season, and by the time you miss 3 games, Seamus' over-the-top prices make it simply not worth it.

[Poida]

Werribee sign an import. 7 foot American, Ingo Beaudet.

http://www.bigv.com.au/index.cgi?det=1&intArticleID=2593&sID=1

Seems to look the goods. Averaged 25, 10 and 5 blocks in a German league and played D1 ball in college.

Anyone wanna guess the margin of this week's Werribee vs the Bool game?? He could have a field day!

[Lethal Vertical]

Thats funny, they've just added Jallow's stats for Hume's games from the weekend. I was wondering what was up when Singy mentioned him.

[singy]

Thats funny, they've just added Jallow's stats for Hume's games from the weekend. I was wondering what was up when Singy mentioned him.

I've noticed a few players are missing from the box scores when they get posted after a game, but they must correct them during the week.

Also, I checked out the live scoring feature on the Big V website a few weeks ago, and it's just so much better than the NBL live scores, not only due to the fact that it actually worked! The Big V probably have no budget at all for it (not that the NBL would be spending that much either), but it worked well, updated in real time and had some very good features. If a domestic competition can do it, why can't the "professional" league? :?

[Lethal Vertical]

Werribee sign an import. 7 foot American, Ingo Beaudet.

http://www.bigv.com.au/index.cgi?det=1&intArticleID=2593&sID=1

Seems to look the goods. Averaged 25, 10 and 5 blocks in a German league and played D1 ball in college.

Anyone wanna guess the margin of this week's Werribee vs the Bool game?? He could have a field day!

Are the bool even going to win a game this season!? Long odds.

[Poida]

Check the Big V forum, they are pretty confident that they'll get 2 W's this weekend :shock:

Think they got another import aswell, so they might get one.

[aussieBaller]

dandy smashed hume but may have lost 2 key players cannon and witherden with ankles. Witherdens was done after hitting a 3 then being smashed by a hume player. vince was good when he had to be and hobba finished with more boards than points. 20 boards and 19 points

[George the Gragon]

Rangers went to another level after losing Cannan and Witherden early on. Hobba battled hard and Murdock played his first game for 3 years. Rangers guards were all over Hume's. Godfrey dished out 9 assists while the Campbell boys hit some clutch shots. Inglima was a steadying influence hitting a game high 26.

Hume were disappointing with just Brad Collins playing a decent game. Smith, Petridis, Jallow and Speers all struggled to go with the Rangers.
Randy Anderson made some good baskets in amongst some cheap shots.

Both Cannan and Witherden have been cleared of any long term damage,

[Lethal Vertical]

Interesting foul count there.

[Poida]

Not really LV, when you consider the brand of "defense" that Hume City try and play.

[aussieBaller]

The reason the foul count was so different was dandy kept their mouths shut broncos were playing like the denver broncos and kept yapping back to the refs

[singy]

Dandy v Sandy ANZAC day game should be a beauty. I'll be there to see the 2 undefeated teams go at it. Hopefully a good crowd will be there too.

[Lethal Vertical]

Not really LV, when you consider the brand of "defense" that Hume City try and play.

HA! This coming from a Rangers fan. They'd have to be one of the most physical teams. I've only seen them play once, but that was enough to know that they push the boundaries on defense.

[Poida]

Not really LV, when you consider the brand of "defense" that Hume City try and play.

HA! This coming from a Rangers fan. They'd have to be one of the most physical teams. I've only seen them play once, but that was enough to know that they push the boundaries on defense.

:roll:

Rangers are renowned for their defense. That's why they are back to back champions and back to back National runners up, while Hume with their suspect (or lack of) defense, always choke before making the Big V GF series! :)

[catcountry]

This is Australia....it's DefenCe kids :wink:

[Lethal Vertical]

Not really LV, when you consider the brand of "defense" that Hume City try and play.

HA! This coming from a Rangers fan. They'd have to be one of the most physical teams. I've only seen them play once, but that was enough to know that they push the boundaries on defense.

:roll:

Rangers are renowned for their defense. That's why they are back to back champions and back to back National runners up, while Hume with their suspect (or lack of) defense, always choke before making the Big V GF series! :)

HA!

Another uneducated comment from you...this is becoming a bad habit of yours. For starters, Hume have won the Big V before- they won in their first season. And calling them chokers is totally ignorant if you look at their last few seasons- for example last year. Making the semis after losing the first 5 games of the season isn't exactly choking. I'd say it's a pretty good effort. In 2006 they beat Melbourne in the 4 vs 5 at Melbourne's home court ( Mill Park) then went down to Warrnambool and got beaten down there. Again, not choking.

Shut down Poida! If you're going to throw insults around, make them accurate. Otherwise you'll get owned.

[Poida]

[quote=Poida]Not really LV, when you consider the brand of "defense" that Hume City try and play.

HA! This coming from a Rangers fan. They'd have to be one of the most physical teams. I've only seen them play once, but that was enough to know that they push the boundaries on defense.

:roll:

Rangers are renowned for their defense. That's why they are back to back champions and back to back National runners up, while Hume with their suspect (or lack of) defense, always choke before making the Big V GF series! :)

HA!

Another uneducated comment from you...this is becoming a bad habit of yours. For starters, Hume have won the Big V before- they won in their first season. And calling them chokers is totally ignorant if you look at their last few seasons- for example last year. Making the semis after losing the first 5 games of the season isn't exactly choking. I'd say it's a pretty good effort. In 2006 they beat Melbourne in the 4 vs 5 at Melbourne's home court ( Mill Park) then went down to Warrnambool and got beaten down there. Again, not choking.

Shut down Poida! If you're going to throw insults around, make them accurate. Otherwise you'll get owned.[/quote:31blckts]

Oh please, you're showing your ignorance now you fuckin retard :lol:

Yes they have won the Big V before, BEFORE the Rangers were on the scene. They didn't have their import (who is a great player) for the first 5 games of last season.

Let's not get away from the point here LV you monumental douchebag.

"Oh the Rangers get away with too much, look at the foul count, Hume City are always getting the rough end of the stick".

Cry me a fuckin river you pussy :lol:

You don't seem to understand that Hume City play a brand of "defence (hey CC! :) ) that is pathetic. They try to be physical, throw cheap shots and when they are called for it, they whinge and carry on like a bunch of kids. It's so easy to rattle them, especially Greg Smith :lol: They also have no depth.

So you can go and shove your "Shut Down" up your arse buddy. The Rangers are a renowned defensive unit, LEARN THAT FOOL. Everyone else knows it, except you, as you admit to only have seen them play ONCE!! :lol: idiot 8)

[singy]

FWIW, I've seen both the Rangers and Hume play against the Tigers this Big V season, and I have to agree with Poida. The Rangers D was suffocating, and the Tigers really struggled to get any flow going at all. Mind you though, it was their first game of the season, and the Tigers NBL guys still looked hung over from the celebrations! :wink:

The Hume game a few weeks ago was pretty much as Poida described it. They tried to play tough D, then bitched and moaned when they got calls against them, and ended up with a tech foul from all the complaining.

Maybe go to a few games before you start commenting LV, it might make your argument a bit more plausible. :wink:

[Lethal Vertical]

Yes they have won the Big V before, BEFORE the Rangers were on the scene.

Your point? What relevance does this have to choking? None. I'm not gonna sit here and defend the Broncos- I'm a Keilor man. I just object to people throwing around uneducated, big talking comments. Which is exactly what you like to do, except you got caught out cos you were talking a load of shyte.


They didn't have their import (who is a great player) for the first 5 games of last season.

True, doesnt make their season a choke. They won a final against a higher ranked team, from memory.


Let's not get away from the point here LV you monumental douchebag.

"Oh the Rangers get away with too much, look at the foul count, Hume City are always getting the rough end of the stick".

Cry me a (Extremely Naughty Word!) river you pussy :lol:

Stop putting words into my mouth, you tool. I'm raising suspicion at the foul count thats all. Same way you would if the Kings had 15 less fouls than their opposition in an NBL game.



So you can go and shove your "Shut Down" up your arse buddy. The Rangers are a renowned defensive unit, LEARN THAT FOOL. Everyone else knows it, except you, as you admit to only have seen them play ONCE!! :lol: idiot 8)

Quit your shit talking. We all know it's an act :lol:

Anyway, how many times have you seen Hume play!?

[Knox City]

word is Sandy and Melbourne are looking to move to SEABL. quality of Big V competition week in week out isnt what it used to be and SEABL has gone from strength to strength as a competition...

[Lethal Vertical]

Maybe go to a few games before you start commenting LV, it might make your argument a bit more plausible. :wink:

I do get down to watch Hume once in a while, and the core of their team hasn't changed much in a few years.

But on the whole, I've got much better things to do with my Saturday nights/Sunday arvo's than watch Big V. When you've got a girlfriend with a family big enough to fill Dandenong stadium and half of Melbourne as friends, you're generally pretty busy :lol: . Then there's the footy, parties, church....who has time to go watch basketball matches?

As I said though, I've seen Hume stacks of times and while they're a physical team, so are Dandenong. My point was it's rare that you see any team get called for 11 more fouls than another team. It's often, but not always, one team getting a few dodgy calls. Hence my comment that the foul count was interesting.

Oh, and incidentally Singy, when I DID see Dandenong play, I'm pretty sure THEY were whinging like bitches to the refs.

[The_Janitor]

How wonderful life must look through the eyes of LV... :lol:

[Lethal Vertical]

As someone who has a players name, followed by an exclamation mark, three times as his signature, I wouldn't be talking. :lol:

How's Hobba doing? will he get an NBL gig this season?

[rookie]

Maybe go to a few games before you start commenting LV, it might make your argument a bit more plausible. :wink:

I do get down to watch Hume once in a while, and the core of their team hasn't changed much in a few years.

But on the whole, I've got much better things to do with my Saturday nights/Sunday arvo's than watch Big V. When you've got a girlfriend with a family big enough to fill Dandenong stadium and half of Melbourne as friends, you're generally pretty busy :lol: . Then there's the footy, parties, church....who has time to go watch basketball matches?

As I said though, I've seen Hume stacks of times and while they're a physical team, so are Dandenong. My point was it's rare that you see any team get called for 11 more fouls than another team. It's often, but not always, one team getting a few dodgy calls. Hence my comment that the foul count was interesting.

Oh, and incidentally Singy, when I DID see Dandenong play, I'm pretty sure THEY were whinging like bitches to the refs.


I recall last year when Hume got dumped in the playoffs you were whinging about the foul count back then also LV.

But the funniest thing that is yet to be mentioned is that Hume lost on Sunday to Latrobe City @ HOME no less!!! Clearly Hume are a championship contender!!!!! And to add insult to injury Latrobe only played with 7 players, 4 guys playing over 40 mins and 1 playing 38 mins.

Happy Days

[Lethal Vertical]

Give it a couple of weeks. They've got Warrnambool, Ringwood and Diamond Valley in their next 3 games. Then we'll see what they're made of when they have to play Waverley after getting some confidence.

Still, early signs suggest no one will get near Waverley, Dandy and Sandy-those teams are on their own. Hume could easily finish 4th but it won't matter if they're getting caned every time they play someone above them.

[The_Janitor]

I'd probably punt on Melbourne getting that 4th spot.

If Hobba doesn't pop up in Dragons colours again i'd expect him to get a gig somewhere else. Because he has demonstrated that if given time he can play at NBL level. He's definately no star but hustles hard and gives plenty of energy off the bench.

From what i've seen of Hume, they seem to be one of the dirtiest teams in the comp. Led by Greg Smith i've seen them play against numerous teams and they've fouled themselves out of the game. If things aren't going their way, they simply throw their weight around and mouth off. Maybe if you popped into a game once and a while instead of hanging out with half of melbourne you might be able to see it for yourself.

[Lethal Vertical]

Hume beat Melbourne recently. If Corletto suits up, they'll probably get 4th and be the smoky. But is he allowed to suit up now that Johnson's on the team?

And nah, I'll be right. I prefer hanging out with other people than going to Big V games by myself. Thanks for the suggestion.

[singy]

But on the whole, I've got much better things to do with my Saturday nights/Sunday arvo's than watch Big V. When you've got a girlfriend with a family big enough to fill Dandenong stadium and half of Melbourne as friends, you're generally pretty busy :lol: . Then there's the footy, parties, church....who has time to go watch basketball matches?

If you're as busy as you make out, how do you find the time to post on here so often?

That's great that you have "much better things to do" than go to the basketball, but some people really enjoy the basketball and find it just as enjoyable as going out with friends too you know. In fact, I'm regularly at games with plenty of people in the same boat and we have heaps of fun. Each to their own.

[Lethal Vertical]

I don't. Most of my posts are fairly short these days cos I don't have as much time on my hands. Plus, the main reason my post count is so high is because I used to post much more back when I was at uni.

Anyway, I agree. Each to their own.

[UserFriendlyRoll]

What is the go with Ringwood this season? Hot tip pre-season to make the top 4-5 but now only 1 win, against struggling Warrnambool. What's happening out there at the Cadbury factory? :wink:

[the dog]

I am tipping Dandenong to sneak past Sandy on Friday nights ANZAC game.

I think the Rangers will win by 12.

[George the Gragon]

Rangers have fitness issues with Cannan, Witherden and Wheeler. They'll need to be good to win.

[The_Janitor]

Is there any confirmation on who Dandy will be suiting up tonight?

[aussieBaller]

Dandy lost to Sandringham 103 98 in a thriller. Dandenong were without Cannon and Witherden but Bektas suited up. Maybank was unstoppable with 26 first half points including 6/8 beyond 3. Dandy started well with 3 threes to start the game but Sandy pegged it back. It was a shootout for most of the game. Sandringham could have won it by more but kept turning the ball over due to dandy's aggressive defence. After the half threatt stepped up and was managing to get to the basket and either score himself or get an assist. Dandy was being smashed on boards but managed to stay in the game. In the 4th Maybank and kirtley were thrown out of the game for a tussle they had after maybank drove to the basket. DC fought hard as did hobba and Vince but Sandy were too big in the end and Threatt finshed with the ANZAC medal.

[George the Gragon]

Well done to Sandy. Just too good for an undermanned Rangers outfit. Sedale just light up in the last half and won the game by himself.

Rangers did pretty well with some great outside shooting but free throw woes cost them. Inglima and Hobba were tough with Godfrey and DC on fire from the three.

Maybank played very well and it was disappointing to see him lose it and get tossed.

It was a great game with over 1000 in attendance.

[singy]

Agree with both George & Aussieballer. As a neutral at Dandy last night, it was a very enjoyable game played in the right spirit and in front of a very good crowd for Big V. Glad I made the trip as both teams really left it all on the court, and it was up for grabs right until the end. There were plenty of runs during the game, and even with the injuries and ejections, neither team seemed out of the game at any stage. I'm glad to hear that the Big V will do this every ANZAC day from now on as it was a big success IMO.
On the Maybank/Kirtley ejections, I didn't see how it started, but I don't think they needed to be thrown out for their scuffle. A double foul would have sufficed IMO so that the crowd could have continued to enjoy Maybank's great play. Sabres still found a way to win without him though. Also, Threatt's block in the 3rd (I think) was huge, he really got upstairs on that one. Just a great game to watch in general, and I'm glad a good crowd was there to see it.

[singy]

Just witnessed one of the most remarkable offensive explosions I've seen on a basketball court. Matt O'Hea was unconscious in the 4th quarter of the Tigers game at Diamond Valley tonight when he hit 7 consecutive 3 point shots! :shock:

He simply couldn't miss as the Tigers players kept finding him for the long shot, and he hit it every time. He finished the game with 30 points including 9/12 from downtown. Amazing stuff, especially as he had his own cheer squad there to enjoy it.

Ian Stacker was also there tonight as assistant coach, but I didn't see him do too much talking just yet.

[George the Gragon]

Dandenong had a struggle against the Devils winning by just three.

Small was good for Werribee as was Masunda.

It was a scrappy game made even worse by poor officitiating. Andreole did her best but the guy was poor,

Cannan and Witherden returned and got through the game. Rangers were stagnant on offence which suited the Devils. Wilson, Masunda and Small hit some big threes but it was Inglima who hit the dagger shot to get the Rangers over the line.

[Poida]

David Barlow with a lazy 35, 14, 10 and 8 TO's against Eltham.

[Lethal Vertical]

What exactly are the rules in relation to the Tigers, or any other club, playing NBL players in their Big V side? I thought it was based on number of minutes played the previous season at NBL level, or something along those lines!?

[singy]

What exactly are the rules in relation to the Tigers, or any other club, playing NBL players in their Big V side? I thought it was based on number of minutes played the previous season at NBL level, or something along those lines!?

DC & Barlow are effectively the Tigers "imports" at Big V level due to their minutes played at NBL level (as you suggested). Word is Anstey will also make an appearance (not sure if that's a great idea BTW) at some stage, but only 2 players at this level can play in any one game (as is my understanding). Al said they will play to keep them fit as they try to make the Olympics squad, but they are clearly too good for Big V level - Barlow barely raised a sweat last night while getting that triple double and DC picked up a triple double today with 20/12/11 against a strong Waverley team.

Tommy Greer, Adrien Sturt & Matt O'Hea don't count for this as they didn't play enough minutes last season - Tommy had the most of the 3 with around 8 MPG last season.

BTW, the Tigers had a very impressive double header weekend, winning both games after some of the guys arrived back in Melbourne at 12 noon yesterday after holidaying for the week in the US. They had an easy 30 point win over Eltham, but followed it up today with a strong win over Waverley, holding them off to win by 3 after leading by more than 20 in the 3rd qtr (typical Tigers losing a lead!).

Not sure who the refs were (one male, one female), but I hope they have a break next week - they were disgraceful, and ruined an otherwise enjoyable game with inconsistent and incorrect calling (both ways) that led to a few scuffles as players/coaches/fans were all getting frustrated with the inaccuracies.

[Lethal Vertical]

Thanks Singy, for clarifying. With a full side every week they'd probably take out the competition, but with Barlow/Corletto just playing every now and then we'll probably remain in that 4th spot, I'd imagine.

I'd be keen to watch Barlow play the point at Big V level, hopefully he plays a few more games and happens to be playing if I ever get a chance to pop in and watch.

[aussieBaller]

Did anyone happen to see Daniel Johnson's 66 points? Thats insane. Especially for a young player.

[Poida]

Just goes to show how disgraceful the 'Bool are this year.

[UserFriendlyRoll]

Just goes to show how disgraceful the 'Bool are this year.
And your guys play them next week Poida. :roll:

[Poida]

Oh dear.....

[singy]

Did anyone happen to see Daniel Johnson's 66 points? Thats insane. Especially for a young player.

Yep, I made the trip down there for the game, and he had no one that even came close to matching up with him. The other Tigers guys made an effort to pass him the ball in the last quarter when they realised he was on pace for a ridiculous score, but the 'Bool were just not defending him at all - he basically scored every time he touched the ball, and his 25/32 shooting was pretty much mostly lay ups/dunks. Having said this, it's still a pretty decent effort to get 66 points, especially when the opposing team's total is 76. We actually thought he got 71 points after the game last night, so I'm interested to see if that changes. It would have to be a Tigers record - don't think Drewey ever scored that much?

The 'Bool has some great party spots though. 8)

[Lethal Vertical]

What a crazy weekend. Johnson scores 66, and Hume lose in overtime....twice. And the 2nd one was against Waverly at Waverly. That's nuts.

[Poida]

Aaron Bruce makes his return to the Big V..............................playing in DIV. 3 :lol: Read about it here:

http://www.bigv.com.au/index.cgi?det=1&intArticleID=2692&sID=1

[singy]

David Barlow made it 2 triple doubles from 2 games in the Big V tonight against Werribee (coached by Tigers NBL assistant Warrick Giddey). He got 35/12/10 in another great display. Again, it was clear that he is being groomed for a PG role as he was in that role for most of the game tonight.

Word is that Anstey will also front up for 2 or 3 games, at the expense of Daryl Corletto on the roster for those particular games. He was actually supposed to play tonight, but didn't get his clearance in time. I don't agree with it, but if it's going to happen, make it the Dandenong & Sandringham games! :wink:

Tommy Greer also had a sensational game tonight with 26 points and 22 boards - 12 offensive/10 defensive. He has had a really consistent season so far, averaging 22 ppg and 11 rpg, in around 39 mpg, shooting at 49% from the field and 50% from long range (15/30).

[paxson]

Anstey cannot play for the Tigers. You cannot have 3 registered restricted players. Plus, Anstey would have to be able to play 40% of the seasons games.

Therefore even if the Tigers deregistered Corletto and replaced him with Anstey, after Anstey played his 1 or 2 games Corletto could not play for the rest of the season.

[Mama B]

he can if one of the other restricted players is injured and he is replacing them only for the time they are out for.

[Lethal Vertical]

In Singy's scenario, Corletto wouldn't be injured. It doesnt really make sense for it to depend on injury, but deregistration for a short period of time (for whatever reason) does

[Mama B]

In Singy's scenario, Corletto wouldn't be injured. It doesnt really make sense for it to depend on injury, but deregistration for a short period of time (for whatever reason) does

We are talking about the tigers right? I just meant they could SAY he was injured. :wink: :lol:

[DoubleA]

I definitely heard Anstey was going to play this weekend against Ringwood.
Also a little birdy told me Corletto will not be playing for the Tigers in BigV next season after re-working some finer details of his NBL contract.

[singy]

I've heard the same thing about DC. He's only played in 3 out of 10 games this season, but is due to play in the remaining 10 games (although the Anstey situation may change that). Fair enough too IMO, he's probably at the stage now where he is above Big V standard - he's 1 rebound off averaging a triple double (18 pts/9 rebs/10 assists).

[Lethal Vertical]

He's most definitely not 'Above big V standard'- He might've averaged 18/9/10 over 3 gamesthis season, but what were his stats over the last couple of years- nothing like that.

You can guarantee his stats at the end of the season will be nothing like what they are now, so long as he plays another 4 or 5 games at least.

[singy]

If you were at the games LV, you'd know what I was talking about. DC has barely raised a sweat in the games he's played in this season, so his stats could probably be a lot higher if he wanted them to be. He's taken a back seat for the most part, allowing the other guys the opportunity to step up.

[Poida]

Be good if he suited up against a few better teams Singy! :P (I'll pay Waverley :lol: )

[singy]

Be good if he suited up against a few better teams Singy! :P (I'll pay Waverley :lol: )

Fair point, but he did get a triple double in that win over Waverley (20/12/11). After this week (Ringwood), Tigers play Waverley, Dandy, Hume & Sandy. He's due to play in those games, so we'll see what happens then.

[Lethal Vertical]

If you were at the games LV, you'd know what I was talking about. DC has barely raised a sweat in the games he's played in this season, so his stats could probably be a lot higher if he wanted them to be. He's taken a back seat for the most part, allowing the other guys the opportunity to step up.

Well I'm yet to be convinced, because I've seen him busting his ass in Big V games and certainly not dominating by any stretch of the imagination. He doesn't look to have improved much in the last 2 seasons either in the NBL, so it'd be pretty amazing if he incredibly improved at Big V level. It's far more likely that the sample size we're talking about (3 games) is far too minimal to be drawing any conclusions from and when he comes up against guys like Vince Iglima (like in 2007 Inglima killed him, IIRC) he'll struggle to put up numbers like that.

Anyway even if he does dominate, you can put it down to good form. My point is that saying Corletto is "Above Big V standard" is simply a case of overrating the guy. Someone like Barlow, who comes in and shoots 35 with a triple dub two games in a row, well you might have a case. But Corletto? You're kidding. Firstly, Corletto simply hasn't shown any kind of form over his Big career to justify that claim (3 games doesn't count, as I said), and secondly, if he was good enough to dominate Big V he'd do far better at NBL level- like Redhage, who averaged 35 in the SEABL for Bendigo, and Barlow.

[Lethal Vertical]

Just checked out Corletto's stats, even from his 3 games this season Singy, which have made you think he's "Above Big V standard" without raising a sweat.

Well, he's only averaged 42% FG shooting, and has 13 turnovers in those 3 games. You conveniently forgot to mention those stats when you were going on about his "almost trible double" averages.

[singy]

Firstly, I said "probably at the stage now where he is above Big V standard". I didn't say it was a definite - hence the word "probably".

Second, you can use stats to back up any argument. I said he's playing well, so of course I mention the stats to back that up. You, in all your wisdom, who is yet to see him play in live action this Big V season, don't think he's playing well by looking at his numbers, so therefore, you pick out the stats to back up your argument. That's fine, all I'm saying is, if you were actually at the games, you would see that DC is not stamping his authority on the games he has played in this season, preferring instead to play the mentor role (as Bo Westover said in his blog, he is nearing "Big V veteran" stage) to the younger guys. As I replied to Poida, the big test is coming up in the next 4-5 weeks, when the Tigers play against the other Big V contenders. We'll see how he goes then.

[Lethal Vertical]

Firstly, I said "probably at the stage now where he is above Big V standard". I didn't say it was a definite - hence the word "probably".

I never claimed you thought it was a definite, but at the same time, don't try and get out of your claim, by repeating the "probably" part. I understand what you said, but you need to understand- if you say "probably", that means you think he's more than likely above Big V standard. I'm saying he's clearly and obviously nowhere near "above big V standard".

Second, you can use stats to back up any argument. I said he's playing well, so of course I mention the stats to back that up. You, in all your wisdom, who is yet to see him play in live action this Big V season, don't think he's playing well by looking at his numbers, so therefore, you pick out the stats to back up your argument.

Not at all- you can take his stats for whatever you want. His stats, on the whole, are still quite good and I never denied that.

The difference between us is that you used some stats to justify your point of view, whereas I was putting the other ones out there in this thread, to give the complete picture which you'd failed to give.


That's fine, all I'm saying is, if you were actually at the games, you would see that DC is not stamping his authority on the games he has played in this season, preferring instead to play the mentor role (as Bo Westover said in his blog, he is nearing "Big V veteran" stage) to the younger guys.

What does "not stamping his authority on the games" actually mean!? Are you suggesting that he's not actually trying to put in his best performances? That's like saying that D-Mac has been "mentoring" Crosswell the past couple of seasons. Of course he has, but when he's out there on the court he's still busting his ass and trying to win the game. You're going to have to qualify exactly what you mean, because suggesting that he could be doing better but isnt, simply because he's "mentoring" other guys and is now nearly a "veteran" is pretty ludicrous. Correct me if I'm wrong but that seems to be what you're saying.

As I replied to Poida, the big test is coming up in the next 4-5 weeks, when the Tigers play against the other Big V contenders. We'll see how he goes then

Agreed. As I said, if Corletto gets to the end of the season and he's still putting up those sorts of numbers, then you'll have a case. But after 3 games (where he's overachieved compared to previous years) then you're clutching at straws if you're trying to make any argument.

Plus as I already said, Corletto hasn't improved much (if at all) in the past 2-3 years in the NBL. If he's shown any improvement, then it's escaped me. So I don't need to watch Big V to say that he hasn't improved as a basketball player.

[singy]

That's fine, all I'm saying is, if you were actually at the games, you would see that DC is not stamping his authority on the games he has played in this season, preferring instead to play the mentor role (as Bo Westover said in his blog, he is nearing "Big V veteran" stage) to the younger guys.

What does "not stamping his authority on the games" actually mean!? Are you suggesting that he's not actually trying to put in his best performances? That's like saying that D-Mac has been "mentoring" Crosswell the past couple of seasons. Of course he has, but when he's out there on the court he's still busting his ass and trying to win the game. You're going to have to qualify exactly what you mean, because suggesting that he could be doing better but isnt, simply because he's "mentoring" other guys and is now nearly a "veteran" is pretty ludicrous. Correct me if I'm wrong but that seems to be what you're saying.

I don't think I have to qualify what I mean here - it's quite clear to those attending the games what I mean. I discussed this point with those that were there on the weekend when DC had pretty "quiet" stats if you just simply look at the box scores, which is what you're doing. DC only went 3/7 from the field in 37 mins, but had 9 assists and 0 turnovers. Of those 7 shots he put up, about 4 of them were last second attempts as the shot clock ran out. He simply was not looking for his shot, instead looking to set up the other guys, like I was saying earlier in this discussion. This doesn't mean he's not trying or not putting in his best performance (never said anything even closely resembling that) - this simply means he is looking to set up the other guys and help their development at the expense of his own stats. When he needs to step up, he does. Case in point is the triple double against fellow contender Waverley. This week he may need to do the same as we play Waverley again, and with no Barlow again, as he'll be at Boomers camp.

Also, Seamus obviously doesn't agree with you that DC has shown little or no improvement over the last 2-3 years. Why would he offer DC a 3 year deal a few months ago if he didn't think he had improved? We all know Seamus isn't quick to write cheques, so DC must be doing something right on the basketball court to land a new 3 year deal!

[singy]

Tommy Greer can feel slightly ripped off with this week's POW award. He managed 28 points & 18 boards, after getting 26 & 22 last week, only to not even get a mention as a contender in the award at all. Rhys Carter picked it up instead with 33 & 9 & 5 steals against the winless Seahawks.

On another topic, there's been some interesting results in the last 2 rounds:
* DV knocking off Waverley by 14, a day after they lost by 20 to Latrobe City
* Sandy dropping 2 in a row after winning their first 8 games (Vince will be pulling his hair out...oh, wait a second :P )
* Warrnambool getting blown out by 31 at home against a fellow struggler (Latrobe) - I thought this may have been their chance to break through.

A tough run ahead for the Tigers as they face the 4 teams around them on the ladder over the next 4 games - Waverley, Dandenong, Hume & Sandy. The season is starting to take shape now, and there's still plenty of great games to look forward to, such as Dandy vs Waverley this week and the Dandy vs Sandy re-match.

[Lethal Vertical]

Fair enough, you've explained your point and I think this discussions run it's course. I can't comment too much on in-game stuff this year, because as you said- I haven't seen him play. And if I do goto a game, it'll be a Hume game cos Mike Spears is the bomb to watch.

I definitely disagree that he's "probably above Big V standard", but as I said this is mainly based on me having seen him play in previous years and not seen any improvement in his game, which is the only thing you're saying that I seriously take issue with:



Seamus obviously doesn't agree with you that DC has shown little or no improvement over the last 2-3 years. Why would he offer DC a 3 year deal a few months ago if he didn't think he had improved?

Just because he offered him a new deal, doesnt mean he thinks he's improved.

[Mizz Likeable]

Can anyone tell me what The Knox Youth League Coach (Tamara's) record is for the Win/Loss with Nunawading and now Knox
It sure as hell must be as impressive as her goodlooks.

Keep up the good work Tamara and I love watching you and the girls strutting there stuff.

[Mizz Likeable]

Oh and don't forget the big games tomorrow between knox and Nunawading womens teams.
I think the action starts around 12 noon

I'm Feeling HOT HOT HOT

[George the Gragon]

Saw a great individual performance today at Dandenong. Inglima scored 31 points at 85% while restricting Brad Hill to 1 out of 13.

I have seen him do this before for little recognition . I can recall him holding Corletto to very little whil scoring over 30 himself last year.

Rangers played a good second half as Waverley tired. The Falcons were without Smith and Cameron but Shanahan suited up. I guess that means that Cameron's injury must be long term as they replaced one restricted player with another.

[Knox City]

Word is both Sandringham and Waverly are making the jump to the premier winter basketball competition SEABL? Anyone else heard this.

Also Dandenong are said to be investigating get back in the mix.

If Sandy and Waverly jump you cant see Dandy staying and playing the likes of Latrobe, Ringwood and Werribee every week could you?

[George the Gragon]

Clubs must declare by June 30th, I think. Sandy have made sounds for a number of years now so I wouldn't be surprised to see them go. As for Waverley, they could afford it.

Dandenong don't have the finance. It was only four years ago they moved to Big V to cut costs.

[singy]

Yeah, Big V is back tonight!

Big game at the Veneto Club, where the Tigers put their 8 game winning streak to the test against the leaders, Dandenong, on their own 6 game winning streak. Should be a beauty.

The Womens' game should also be a beauty - the Tigers and Rangers have had some close games already this season.

[Poida]

Big game indeed.

[LONGHORNS]

does anyone in here know agale from adelaid 36ers ABA team....

the 6 feet 10 ,108 kg power forward sudanese Australian.

hows he going. his a monster

iu wish if he would move to melbourne so he cn play for our team.. we losing our main centere madok the 6 feet 10 centre..

we have other 2 tall plyer, one is 6 feet 10 and the other is 6 feet 8 with a 7 feet 2 winf span.. but madok is better.. agale " our friend" when he come down to melbourne he would always come to our training " every saturday at braybrook college gymnasium from 6-8 pm " and check us out .

[George the Gragon]

Great game at Veneto Club. It was to and fro for most of the time. Tigers got out to a quick lead only to be reeled in by the Rangers. Sturt was very good and was the difference. Inglima lead the Rangers with good support from AC, Young Johnson was impressive although he got into foul trouble. Rangers bigs did not play smart and forced too many shots under pressure.
Corletto and Wheeeler was a good battle. It was an imporessive game and a good advert for Big V Basketball.

Refs were inconsistent with Westover applying a lot of pressure. Chris Reid missed some obvious calls for an experienced referee while the other ref just confused players.

[The_Janitor]

A great show of sportsmanship shown by the tigers faithful last night. Boo'ing players taking foul shots, yelling travel everytime a ranger player touched the ball and complaining all game long about how they were being wronged by the referees.

It's easy to see why Melbourne is hated by everyone who isn't a Tiger fan.

[Lethal Vertical]

Based on what happened last night and the entire season, the Tigers are a very good chance to take out the Big V if their full side is on court. Their 3 losses were all without Corletto, and the first one was without Johnson too. So with their best regular 5 on court- Corletto, Johnson, Sturt, Greer and O'Hea- they're undefeated.

Admittedly their 9 game winning streak doesn't include any games against Sandy or Hume, however it does include 2 wins over Waverley and a win over Dandenong, and comfortable wins over a few middle table teams. In previous years the China trips have derailed the team a bit and made it very tough to get a top 2 or 3 spot. Singy might be able to answer this- How come the Tigers didnt make a trip to China in April this year- ala previous years? And are we taking a team there in August this year, per the norm? Or is the Asia deal done and finnito? I'd love to find out what the go is there. Because the Tigers could easily finish top 2 and upset the whole Dandy/Sandy/Waverly thing from the past couple of years.

[Lethal Vertical]

Jeff Reid from Latrobe scored 40 points, including 12 3's on the way to a 71 point win over Warrnambool.

Yes, you read correctly.

Warrnambool- what an embarrassment to the Big V Championship Division.

[Poida]

Indeed an embarassment.

Tigers are tough as hell when they have their full side. Waverley got beaten by Hume, despite having Matt Burston suit up.

[Poida]

After another loss today, Waverley are now in 6th spot, 1 game above Latrobe City! The Falcons are really playing up that perennial underachievers tag this season. And how did Eltham sneak into 4th spot? :shock: Interesting indeed.

[Homer]

Latrobe defeated Warrnambool by 71 :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

WOW !!!!!!!!!

[George the Gragon]

Latrobe lost to Dandenong by over 40!! WOW, that makes Warrnambool a joke!!

[singy]

How come the Tigers didnt make a trip to China in April this year- ala previous years? And are we taking a team there in August this year, per the norm? Or is the Asia deal done and finnito? I'd love to find out what the go is there. Because the Tigers could easily finish top 2 and upset the whole Dandy/Sandy/Waverly thing from the past couple of years.

Not sure why they haven't made the trip this year. I was wondering the same thing a few weeks ago, but there's been no mention of it. I'll try to find out at the next game. Greg O'Neill (Tigers chairman) just got back from China, so it might still be on, but it might have been on other business (or holiday?).

The 9 game win streak has been impressive - the next 2 games are just as big as last night though. Hume at home next Sat night, then at Sandy the following Sat night - the only 2 teams the Tigers have yet to defeat so far this season. Given Hume's recent results and Sandy's impressive form all season, wins in those games will be as big as the Dandy result last night. It was a big turnaround from the 35 point drubbing the Tigers received from the Rangers in the opening game of the season, but as mentioned, it was a totally different side last night, and they weren't still hung over from Championship celebrations! :P

[singy]

A great show of sportsmanship shown by the tigers faithful last night. Boo'ing players taking foul shots, yelling travel everytime a ranger player touched the ball and complaining all game long about how they were being wronged by the referees.

It's easy to see why Melbourne is hated by everyone who isn't a Tiger fan.

So am I to believe that you've never heard any crowd at any basketball game try to put off the opposition player while shooting free throws? :shock:

The travel thing is just a bit of fun - it tends to put players (and refs) off sometimes. I don't do that myself, but I know those that do it. Did you also notice the fake shot clock count that forced Rangers players to put up early shots on a couple of possessions? It's all just a bit of fun, nothing more, nothing less.

On the referees, as George said, they were inconsistent last night, and were quite poor on many occasions. It almost ruined what was a great game of basketball between two very good teams. So, there was plenty to question them about.

You shouldn't take it so seriously - hate is a rather strong word.

[singy]

Jeff Reid from Latrobe scored 40 points, including 12 3's on the way to a 71 point win over Warrnambool.

Yes, you read correctly.

Warrnambool- what an embarrassment to the Big V Championship Division.

As impressive as it is to hit 12 threes, he put up 19! :shock: I'm not sure if I've seen one player attempt 19 threes in one game before.

Latrobe outscored the Seahawks 65-22 in the 2nd half - that's just plain embarrassing, but it also smells of not trying, especially as the 4th qtr was 34-8. If you can only score 8 points in what had to well and truly be junk time, that tells me the effort was simply not there. It was a waste of a drive from the 'Bool to Traralgon, just for that.

Latrobe faced the worst and the best of the Big V in the one weekend - they enjoyed a massive win over the worst, then suffered a massive defeat against one of the best. A 117-point turnaround in less than 24 hours!

[Homer]

What date is the first weekend of Big V playoffs?
SEABL begins on July 25

[singy]

What date is the first weekend of Big V playoffs?
SEABL begins on July 25

Pretty sure it's the same date for the Big V. They posted the dates a few weeks ago, but I can't find it in the news archive. The final round is the week before, so it makes sense that playoffs start on 25 July.

[George the Gragon]

Waverley lose again !! Don't know if this is right but I thought Burston and Shanahan were restricted players but Chris Brown (canadian) played also so maybe this is wrong.

[singy]

Very surprised with Waverley's 5th loss in a row - they are now fighting to hold onto a playoff spot. In 6th place now, on percentage only, with Latrobe (who just defeated them) right behind them. It must be injuries, as I've noticed Shanahan has been playing lately, instead of just coaching. It's helped Eltham to 4th spot too! :shock:

Tigers won their 10th game in a row over Hume, helped by Daryl Corletto's triple double (15/12/10) and both Adrien Sturt and Daniel Johnson scoring 30 each. It was a pretty physical game, but the Tigers wore them down in the 2nd half to take a big win (105-84), after trailing at half time.

Dandy keeps on winning, as do Sandy. Looking forward to this week's clash between Sandy and the Tigers. They are the only team the Tigers haven't defeated this season, so it'll be very tough to make it 11 wins in a row.

Wazza (Giddey) was worried about the trip to the 'Bool last weekend, and apparently with good reason. The Seahawks only went down by 8 points to Werribee, in probably their best effort all season.

Strange occurrence at the Youth League Womens game last weekend between the Tigers and Hume - they had to play the whole game with no scoreboard and no shot clock due to electrical problems that took the whole game to fix. That's pretty tough to do, especially as the girls weren't getting warned about the shot clock running down, other than each bench having a stop watch. The announcer started to count down with 5 seconds to go after a few shot clock "violations" though. The game itself turned out to be a good one - after the Tigers fell behind by more than 30 points, they made a huge run in the 2nd half to only lose by 5. They even had a chance to tie the game, but missed 2 long range attempts. Maybe it was a blessing to not have the scoreboard when it was about 35-5 at one point! :wink:

[Mama B]

Just checked out the new Big V website...what are peoples thoughts? What has happened to the Forum? Maybe I just didnt look properly but I couldnt find it...

[George the Gragon]

Move over Dandy and Sandy, Tigers are now hot favourites to take out the Big V title and then the Nsational Title.

Tigers handled Sandy with ease last night. Corletto and Johnson were very good.

Dandenong won today against the Hawks but were not too impressive. Big guys are good but tend to force too many in the paint. Inglima is very good and plays a great role for them. Witherden was a stand out off the bench but the rest just struggled. Both coaches had real concerns with the Refs. The less said about them the better.

Melbourne just are too big. The only issue they may have would be an injury or Johnson gets into foul trouble. This could cause them concern.

[Lethal Vertical]

Like I said a few weeks ago the Tigers are definitely favourites, without any doubt. Hard to see them losing with their starting 5 all on court, considering their recent form.

Also good to see Hume holding on in 4th spot, despite Jallow having missed a lot of games.

[Cram]

Caught the Tigers-Sandy game (my first of the season). Was very, very impressed with Sturt. Was really the first time I've seen him apart from junk minutes in the NBL. The kid has a great all court game, and to me looks ready to contribute at NBL level right now.

Tommy was pretty dissapointing. Got into early foul trouble and never got going. I was also a little dissapointed with my first look at Daniel Johnson. Sure he finished with pretty good numbers, but he certainly didnt blow me away, looked kinda awkward and always rushing everything he did. Hope he's one of those guys that looks better at a higher level.

[the dog]

Daniel Johnson is pretty well advanced of Adrian Sturt at the moment. They are similiar type players but Johnson is a better shooter and finishes more consistantly around the basket. I think Johnson will get some minutes in the NBL this year but Sturt will struggle too. Both of these guys have some work to do in the gym before they become legit NBL players.

[singy]

Caught the Tigers-Sandy game (my first of the season). Was very, very impressed with Sturt. Was really the first time I've seen him apart from junk minutes in the NBL. The kid has a great all court game, and to me looks ready to contribute at NBL level right now.

Tommy was pretty dissapointing. Got into early foul trouble and never got going. I was also a little dissapointed with my first look at Daniel Johnson. Sure he finished with pretty good numbers, but he certainly didnt blow me away, looked kinda awkward and always rushing everything he did. Hope he's one of those guys that looks better at a higher level.

Thanks for saying hi! :wink:

IMO, Adrien has been out-performing DJ the last few weeks. DJ's stats may be higher for the season so far, but I also feel that DJ doesn't attack the boards strong enough, while Adrien continues to provide a great defensive presence - I think he might still be leading the Big V in blocks. Adrien's issue continues to be picking up silly fouls, but even that seems to have improved over the last few games.

Tommy has had some quiet games of late, but was back in form yesterday against Latrobe. DC continues to run the team very effectively and the other guys are also contributing well. I never would have predicted a 12 game winning streak after the 1-3 start, but they have come together nicely. Still a long way to go though.

Al got ejected yesterday when he said to one of the refs something along the lines of "you're ruining the game". He was right - she wasn't having a good day. So, Ian Stacker got his first taste of coaching the Tigers (for a quarter) and is now 1-0. :wink:

Interestingly, saw the Dandy head coach at the Tigers/Sandy game, hiding in the stands filming the game. Is that allowed?

[George the Gragon]

I think it is called scouting!!!

[Cram]

Thanks for saying hi! :wink:

IMO, Adrien has been out-performing DJ the last few weeks. DJ's stats may be higher for the season so far, but I also feel that DJ doesn't attack the boards strong enough, while Adrien continues to provide a great defensive presence - I think he might still be leading the Big V in blocks. Adrien's issue continues to be picking up silly fouls, but even that seems to have improved over the last few games.

Tommy has had some quiet games of late, but was back in form yesterday against Latrobe. DC continues to run the team very effectively and the other guys are also contributing well. I never would have predicted a 12 game winning streak after the 1-3 start, but they have come together nicely. Still a long way to go though.

Al got ejected yesterday when he said to one of the refs something along the lines of "you're ruining the game". He was right - she wasn't having a good day. So, Ian Stacker got his first taste of coaching the Tigers (for a quarter) and is now 1-0. :wink:

Interestingly, saw the Dandy head coach at the Tigers/Sandy game, hiding in the stands filming the game. Is that allowed?

Sorry mate, didnt see ya when i had a look at the group of Tigers fans.

Gotta say I was pretty impressed with Threatt. His size will be an issue in the NBL, but if the Dragons pick him up as a dev player he could be good value. How old is he though?

Was also impressed with Jermaine Maybank. Very smooth slasher who beats guy with raw speed. Reminds me a lot of the guy who finished last season with the Taipans (who;s name escapes me). Too small for an NBL gig, but looks to be a very good Big V import

[singy]

I think it is called scouting!!!

It just appeared different to that, hence why I mentioned it. When I noticed it, he was only filming one end of the court - it just seemed strange, that's all.

[George the Gragon]

Big V is an joke. Dandenong just won their about 12th game of the year by over 30. It is basically a three team comp. Latrobe were without Carter but happy to just score whenever.

Rangers coasted for most of the game. Court Announcer was non existent, stats showed the lowest rebounds I've ever seen and there were thirty kids on the court at half time. What a way to present a game.

One ref blamed the other for missing a blantant hack. Who got teched?? The player who was hacked! Just summed up the night.

Big V is doomed.

[UserFriendlyRoll]

Were you there George? Are Dandy that good or are Latrobe that bad? How much difference would Carter make to Latrobe's line up? Who were the refs that had to travel to Traralgon for that one ? :lol: :lol: :lol:

[George the Gragon]

I was there and it was just a game. Dandenong are good but not going as well as they should.

Carter would make a difference, of course, but the last time with him Rangers won by almost 50.

Spicer was one ref, I didn't know the other. They seemed to look after Read and Weaver very well.

[UserFriendlyRoll]

I was there and it was just a game. Dandenong are good but not going as well as they should.That's what happens when the top 3 or 4 teams are dominant and only play tough games every 4-5 weeks, they lose that intensity. They will all play each other in the play offs but the quality suffers until then.

[Homer]

Spicer was one ref, I didn't know the other. They seemed to look after Read and Weaver very well.Spicer's one of the better ones George. :wink: :wink: :wink:

[Warney]

:evil:

[George the Gragon]

I didn't comment on whether he was one of the better ones. Just said he was ordinary on Saturday night.

[catcountry]

I didn't comment on whether he was one of the better ones. Just said he was ordinary on Saturday night.Do you agree with that Homer ? :P :wink: :wink: , I think you could get ten weeks for this comment in Tassie :D

[Homer]

Do you agree with that Homer ? :P :wink: :wink: , I think you could get ten weeks for this comment in Tassie :DDon't know if I can agree with that CC but then again, it'd be way out of character for him to have a bad one but hey,
they (refs) are human after all. I didn't actually see him ref down at Latrobe, and don't get started on that Tasmanian crap again. :roll:

[singy]

A big showdown to look forward to this weekend. It's the return of Sandy vs Dandy on Sunday. Sandy won in an impressive game back on Anzac Day, and this game is big for both teams' Top 2 aspirations. A win to Dandy probably wraps up top spot and would square the season series. I won't be there (I'll be at the Tigers vs Eltham game, unfortunately on at the same time), but it should be a beauty, only 2 weeks out from the playoffs.

I give the slight edge to Dandy in this one. They will be rested, whereas Sandy will be returning from a trip down to Traralgon. Plus, the Rangers will be pretty keen to not lose both games to their rival just before the playoffs start. Actually, it's a pretty tough finish for the Sabres, with 2 double headers in the final 2 weeks of the season. They face Waverley next week in what should be another good game.

Tigers face a double header on the road this weekend, at Werribee then at Eltham, with Stacker making his debut as Tigers head coach while Al is in Vegas. (Well, his debut if you don't count the last quarter where Al got ejected a few weeks ago! :wink: ). The Werribee game will be interesting as Wazza knows all of the Tigers' plays (he's at training with them after all).

Warrnambool likely have their last chance to secure a win this week, at home to Ringwood. I say last chance as they will face Dandy next week (also at home). No offence to the Hawks, but it would be nice to see the Seahawks finally have a win - they deserve it after fighting their way through this season, where they have clearly been out of their depth in the Championship division. I was impressed with how they stuck at it last week against the Tigers, even though they had no chance to win it, they still played with determination and gave it their best shot.

However, Ringwood need a win to have a hope of making the playoffs, so they will desperate too. Eltham face a tough test to keep 6th place - Waverley on the road, followed by the Tigers at home. A Ringwood win and an Eltham loss will give 6th spot back to Ringwood for now. So, there's a few games to look forward to this week in the Big V.

[George the Gragon]

If the refs were so precious to want to give me weeks for offering an opinion then I'll take the weeks. Spicer is supposed to be a good ref but to blame your colleague when you stuff up is just not on.

A Dandy win - they finish on top no ifs or buts. They lose they finish third unless Sandy drop another game.

[Homer]

If the refs were so precious to want to give me weeks for offering an opinion then I'll take the weeks.What do you refer to here George? :shock:

[George the Gragon]

Saw a very good game today with Dandenong overpowering Sandy in the end. It didn't help the Sabres for Maybank to foul out with a "T". Vince Crevelli worked the refs over but they had the last laugh.

Inglima was impressive for the Rangers and Ex Ranger Conn was Sandringham's best. Threatt innefective today and Cannan the same. Hobba was very solid.

Dwayne Campbell made some great shots and he was well supported by Adrian Campbell in his 200th ABA game for the Rangers.

The Rangers win assures them of top spot while Sandringham drop to third. It will still be a great finals series with the Top three and Hume and Waverly finally showing some form. Ringwood look like they will finish 6th. and get to play Sandringham in an elimination final.

Sandringham men will move over to SEABL next year so Big V will be weakened by their loss.

[Dicky V]

POTM Ryhs Carter. No mention of Inglima for Rangers - 25 ppg at 66% and hit 15 threes @ 52%. While Carter was very good it seems strange to overlook a player in a top team who does this. He also played great D and was never beaten by an opponent.

[coachdb]

Sandringham men will move over to SEABL next year so Big V will be weakened by their loss.

I have been told that Sandringahm, Dandenong and Waverley have definitely applied for SEABL with a couple of queries from other clubs. And with two teams possibly dropping back to Div 1, the structure at the top end of the Big V looks like requiring big changes.

[rookie]

If that happens (which i doubt) the BIG V Championship might as well pull up stumps. But my mail is only one of those teams has done anything resembling an official move.

[singy]

That would obviously hurt the Big V if those 3 teams go. I've been to every Tigers Big V game this season, and yeah, there is a definite gap between the top 3-4 and the rest. So, if some of those top teams go, it's probably going to even things up slightly, but the standard will probably drop off too.

Just have to mention Tommy Greer's POTW win from last round as well. He had a horror shooting night at Werribee (at "The Furnace" that should be called "The Freezer" in honour of the very cold wind that just howled through the stadium all bloody night), but came back strong the following day against Eltham to collect 34 points and 20 rebounds, in only 3 quarters. His defence in both games was great, even when the Tigers had a big lead, and it was good to see him rewarded for that.

Can't believe it's already the final week of the regular season - time flies when you're having fun.

[George the Gragon]

Big gap between top three and others. Waverley and Hume are good, others are mediocre.

Only Sandy has declared and only their men. Costs will be an issue so they may not go if too costly. Women are staying in Big V.

Rangers are caught in a bind with women happy with Big V but men are restless. Costs will probably keep them in Big V.

Albury thinking of moving to Big V as Wodonga. So it could be a swap of Sandy for Albury.

Two Champ teams moving to Div 1 qwith Sherbrooke coming into Champ men.

All this just rumour.

[smittys07]

Albury thinking of moving to Big V as Wodonga. So it could be a swap of Sandy for Albury.
All this just rumour.

Based on what?
And as for Dandy and Hume, why would they move back to SEABL after only what, 3 or 4 years in Big V?

[George the Gragon]

Rangers into 4th year and Hume into 5th. No real talk of Hume going back to SEABL.

As I said there are rumours going around and if you have Albury talking to Wodonga about shifting Stadiums then these rumours follow.

[smittys07]

Rangers into 4th year and Hume into 5th. No real talk of Hume going back to SEABL.

As I said there are rumours going around and if you have Albury talking to Wodonga about shifting Stadiums then these rumours follow.

How does initial talk of shifting locales justify a rumour about switching leagues?

[Homer]

Albury to Wodonga to play Big V would be a help financially.
Sandy to SEABL would be interesting.
I'm sure that when Southern Districts came into SEABL there was a condition that they brought both men and women.
Also a declaration of intent to remain in the league for a certain number of years.
I really have trouble seeing two leagues continue in the one area (Vic) without one suffering.
It appears that the teams are voting with their feet and marching off to a stronger competition, regardless of cost.
The top Big V teams are after regular hard competition and that doesn't happen in Big V.

[BBjunkie]

Went to a Knox Raiders playing a Canberra side a week or so ago, left at half time.

SEABL have the same issue around differing qualily of teams as BigV Campionship.

It's a shame we can't keep all the local quality teams in one good Victorian based comp to save on economics and then have national play-off.

We all know Victoria has a strong Basketball Presence, it would make for good off season viewing

[George the Gragon]

It is pretty hard to play in the Big V if you are in NSW. Shifting from Albury to Wodonga opens up this option. Albury is battling in men and women. Finacially it makes some sense to go to Big V.

[smittys07]

It is pretty hard to play in the Big V if you are in NSW. Shifting from Albury to Wodonga opens up this option. Albury is battling in men and women. Finacially it makes some sense to go to Big V.
I agree it makes some sense financially but I doubt very much that it would make any difference if the Bandits played out of Albury or Wodonga if they wanted to play Big V. Do you really think Big V would say no to them if they played in Albury? Because the Wodonga Stadium probably isn't yet up to scratch for that level of basketball. I understand the whole "you have to play in Victoria to play Big V" but this is a fairly unique situation I would have thought.

[Poida]

If this move paves the way for a return of the Board Warrior to the court, then I'm all for it! 8)

[smittys07]

If this move paves the way for a return of the Board Warrior to the court, then I'm all for it! 8)
:D
I wouldn't rule him out next year regardless of whether they play SEABL or Big V ...

[singy]

First week of the Playoffs get underway this weekend (for most of the Big V leagues), and the schedule for the Championship Men and Women is:

MEN

Qualifying Final (1st vs 2nd)
Dandenong vs Melbourne - Sat 26 July, 7pm. Dandenong Basketball Stadium

Elimination Final 1 (3rd vs 6th)
Sandringham vs Ringwood - Sat 26 July, 7:30pm. Sandringham Basketball Stadium

Elimination Final 2 (4th vs 5th)
Waverley vs Hume City - Sun 27 July, 3pm. Waverley Basketball Centre


WOMEN

Semi Final 1 (1st vs 4th)
Game 1: Melbourne vs Hume City - Sat 26 July, 8:15pm. Veneto Club, Bulleen
Game 2: Hume City vs Melbourne - Sat 2 Aug, Broadmeadows Basketball Stadium
Game 3 (if req): Hume City vs Melbourne - Sun 3 Aug, Broadmeadows Basketball Stadium

Semi Final 2 (2nd vs 3rd)
Game 1: Waverley vs Dandenong - Sat 26 July, 8pm. Waverley Basketball Centre
Game 2: Dandenong vs Waverley - Sat 2 Aug, Dandenong Basketball Stadium
Game 3 (if req): Dandenong vs Waverley - Sun 3 Aug, Dandenong Basketball Stadium

Other times to be confirmed

[Poida]

Elimination Final 2 (4th vs 5th)
Waverley vs Hume City - Sat 26 July, Waverley Basketball Centre


Huge match.

[singy]

Yep. You can't go past Dandy vs Tigers though - should be an absolute beauty. Can't wait for Saturday night.

[George the Gragon]

Any truth in the rumour that some Tigers were involved in a rumble at a city night club on the weekend. One tiger nursing a very sore hand!

[the dog]

Yeah George,

I saw the whole thing.

Adrian Sturt sucker punched Daniel Johnson (broken Jaw) who fell across Daryl Corletto's knee (hyper extension) who in turn knocked over a table and glass fell on Tommy Greers arm cutting it deep to the bone (12 stitches). In his rush to help his fallen comrades, Matt O'Hea slipped on some spilt beer (twisting his ankle) in the confusion. When a phone call was made to Al Westover, he collapsed with a sudden heart attack.......mmmmm.

Ohh yeah, it must be Sturt with a sore hand!!!!!!!

Good Luck on the weekend Tigers. Someone needs to put the arrogant Dandenong Rangers back in their place.

[Poida]

Good Luck on the weekend Tigers. Someone needs to put the arrogant Dandenong Rangers back in their place.

Arrogant?? :lol: Good one.

[singy]

I've updated the times in my post of the Finals schedule. The Waverley/Hume game is now on Sunday arvo.

[BBjunkie]

It must have been Johnson who sucker punched Sturt if the above story was true, since he is the one with the sore hand.

Rumor is he went for Xrays, could be interesting with the ABA finals series about to start.

Tigers play D'nong this weekend

[George the Gragon]

Johneon has a very sore hand and is in doubt.

Interesting article in Dandy Star this week. It says Sandringham going to SEABL with Dandenong and Waverely waiting for the outcome of talks between the two leagues.

Basketball Vixctoris overseeing the talks which will take place today/tonight. It doesn't seem like either league will budge so expect Sandy to go with Dandenong following. Big V championship program is in jeopardy if this happens.

[George the Gragon]

Great game tonight with Tigers getting up by 2. Corletto unstoppable and Greer just could not miss. Rangers had Hobba trying to do it all. Great Ad for Big V basketball.

Interesting at the end of the game a fat guy from Tigers chased the refs off the court. Rangers escort was manhandled by this guy. Not a great look.

Refs battled all night. They tried their best I'm sure but could not get control of things. Where are the decent refs??? Probably reffing SEABL I guess.

[rookie]

George, thats the problem with the BV/VBRA sytem of ranking referee's. Odd ranked referee's went to SEABL (1,3,5,7 etc) and even ranked officials went to Big V (2,4,6 etc)

Just purely through the ranking system Reid, Banik and Kelly went to SEABL and Refs like Andreola etc went to Big V. Its very difficult to split the quality refs equally between the 2 leagues under the current system. Also, add that to the fact that a couple of quality referee's quit at the start of the season (Sellenger/Almond) and the resource pool is looking rather thin, especially with the 6 level 1 and level 2 guys from the NBL inelligable for finals.

[Hoopdog]

George, thats the problem with the BV/VBRA sytem of ranking referee's. Odd ranked referee's went to SEABL (1,3,5,7 etc) and even ranked officials went to Big V (2,4,6 etc)

Just purely through the ranking system Reid, Banik and Kelly went to SEABL and Refs like Andreola etc went to Big V. Its very difficult to split the quality refs equally between the 2 leagues under the current system. Also, add that to the fact that a couple of quality referee's quit at the start of the season (Sellenger/Almond) and the resource pool is looking rather thin, especially with the 6 level 1 and level 2 guys from the NBL inelligable for finals.
Wouldnt that make the system even then?
From a neutral point of view i thought they did a pretty good job although the guy looked a bit out of his depth at times...
The players made the game scrappy at times but it seemed to get delt with pretty swiftly.
To be honest i think some club officials need to take a good hard look at their own conduct and behaviour, and that goes both ways although Seamus was way out of line.... and nobody steeped into keep him away from the refs till it got ugly.

[rookie]

George, thats the problem with the BV/VBRA sytem of ranking referee's. Odd ranked referee's went to SEABL (1,3,5,7 etc) and even ranked officials went to Big V (2,4,6 etc)

Just purely through the ranking system Reid, Banik and Kelly went to SEABL and Refs like Andreola etc went to Big V. Its very difficult to split the quality refs equally between the 2 leagues under the current system. Also, add that to the fact that a couple of quality referee's quit at the start of the season (Sellenger/Almond) and the resource pool is looking rather thin, especially with the 6 level 1 and level 2 guys from the NBL inelligable for finals.
Wouldnt that make the system even then?
From a neutral point of view i thought they did a pretty good job although the guy looked a bit out of his depth at times...
The players made the game scrappy at times but it seemed to get delt with pretty swiftly.
To be honest i think some club officials need to take a good hard look at their own conduct and behaviour, and that goes both ways although Seamus was way out of line.... and nobody steeped into keep him away from the refs till it got ugly.

Unfortunately it doesnt. There are some inconsistencies across the board during the season with respect to evaluations but thats another topic. It could be argued that Reid is number 1, Banik 2, Kelly 3 and maybe Clinton Boyd 4 out of the current crop of up and coming referee's. This season 3 of those 4 went to one league!!! Hence why it doesnt make it even!! As i said early, you also lose 2 of your top 10 referee's and the pool thins.

[singy]

Don't know what I was doing after the game to miss what happened with Seamus, but I did hear about it. He was really upset with the reffing, in particular the female ref (I missed her name at the start). If he did what has been alleged, that is unacceptable. I asked him at the end of the game if he was going to make an official complaint, and he said he was. I thought that was where it was going to end.

Hoopdog, I'm not sure how you can think the refs did a decent job. The female ref has been heard to make biased comments against Matt O'Hea for a start. Then, she proceeded to call the game incredibly inconsistently at both ends (I'm absolutely not suggesting any bias in this game for one team in general or against the other). She gave Al his "final" warning at the first time he questioned her about a call, and wouldn't even listen to him when he was trying to understand some of her interpretations. Witherden (I think) was given a tech for barely saying a word at all, double fouls were called at a few instances where it appeared unwarranted, 2 unsportsmanlike fouls were called in the Tigers favour where it looked to just be a hard foul (it was a final after all). Matt O'Hea was called for his 6th foul in the scrimmage at the end of the game when he wasn't even in the area - I don't think he's ever fouled out of a game before. Adrien Sturt couldn't do a thing right in both refs eyes, and sat the majority of the game (only to cop Al's wrath) with major foul trouble throughout. Daryl Corletto was being manhandled for the majority of the game, without a call, to the point where he started lashing out in frustration, to then get fouls called on him. There was hacking at both ends, mostly uncalled, and both coaches realised early that if they screamed loud enough in the refs' direction, then that particular call would be made pretty soon after. It was very reactive reffing, and absolutely not be-fitting the standard of game that we were treated to. I felt like I was at a NBL final, it was pretty intense in that last quarter.

On the game itself, as George said, it was a great contest, especially given that the Tigers were effectively missing their 2 bigs. DJ didn't play because of his hand injury (which I'm told he got after his brother was "bottled" at a nightclub in the City last week, where he went to his defence). He may be out for the rest of the season. Adrien was basically non-existent due to his foul trouble, only playing 20 minutes. Daryl Corletto and Tommy Greer stepped up as was required - DC ended with 41 points, 5 boards & 6 assists, while Tommy continued his great form with 32 points (on 11/14 shooting, including 5/7 from the 3 point line) and 15 rebounds - both were superb performances. The others all stepped up as well, as Edin Zunic, Robbie Stone and Bo Westover all played important roles. I especially liked Bo's big 3 in the last minute - not just because he made it, but because he had the confidence to take a big shot at crunch time.

Dandy moves on to play Sandy next week, while the Tigers await the winner of the Waverley/Hume game. Both games should be great viewing, as will the Waverley/Hume game today.

[Hoopdog]

Don't know what I was doing after the game to miss what happened with Seamus, but I did hear about it. He was really upset with the reffing, in particular the female ref (I missed her name at the start). If he did what has been alleged, that is unacceptable. I asked him at the end of the game if he was going to make an official complaint, and he said he was. I thought that was where it was going to end.

Hoopdog, I'm not sure how you can think the refs did a decent job. The female ref has been heard to make biased comments against Matt O'Hea for a start. Then, she proceeded to call the game incredibly inconsistently at both ends (I'm absolutely not suggesting any bias in this game for one team in general or against the other). She gave Al his "final" warning at the first time he questioned her about a call, and wouldn't even listen to him when he was trying to understand some of her interpretations. Witherden (I think) was given a tech for barely saying a word at all, double fouls were called at a few instances where it appeared unwarranted, 2 unsportsmanlike fouls were called in the Tigers favour where it looked to just be a hard foul (it was a final after all). Matt O'Hea was called for his 6th foul in the scrimmage at the end of the game when he wasn't even in the area - I don't think he's ever fouled out of a game before. Adrien Sturt couldn't do a thing right in both refs eyes, and sat the majority of the game (only to cop Al's wrath) with major foul trouble throughout. Daryl Corletto was being manhandled for the majority of the game, without a call, to the point where he started lashing out in frustration, to then get fouls called on him. There was hacking at both ends, mostly uncalled, and both coaches realised early that if they screamed loud enough in the refs' direction, then that particular call would be made pretty soon after. It was very reactive reffing, and absolutely not be-fitting the standard of game that we were treated to. I felt like I was at a NBL final, it was pretty intense in that last quarter.


Ok, for starters you need to understand the different areas of responsibility each ref has on the floor, and how Lead/trail works, she bailed her partner out a number of times to correct an obvious wrong "no call" that wasnt in her area and IMO stood up to the rubbish and did a good job under difficult circumstances, the "inconsistancy" as you call it is based on who's call it is, relative to their area of responsibility, you cant blame the same ref for every call/missed call, imo he made more errors early.
Sturt earnt his fouls, he played dumb, Al needs to take responsibility for those because he left him out there after the first 3 were called quickly.. you cant blame the refs for calling what they see and IMO he fouled.
There was also allot of flopping and gamesmanship going on, smart refs can see it, its better to let them play imo.
The tech was called by the guy, as were both the unsportsmanship fouls i think too, which were both clearly the right call, there were also double fouls called.
Al rants sooks and raves.. he was also heard to say "do you know who i am" so maybe the primadonna's at melb didnt like being put back in their box...
As the senior official I think she managed both coaches well, without needing to tech them, certainly in the crowd there were allot of people who enjoyed watching them being delt with and told to tone it down and just get on with it..
Seamus can complain all he likes but i think he should be more worried about his own conduct and the scrutiny it should attract...
With no allegance to either team i can honestly say the reffing was barring a few normal misses or questionables pretty good..., maybe the blinkers didnt allow some to see the game properly...

[Hoopdog]

George, thats the problem with the BV/VBRA sytem of ranking referee's. Odd ranked referee's went to SEABL (1,3,5,7 etc) and even ranked officials went to Big V (2,4,6 etc)

Just purely through the ranking system Reid, Banik and Kelly went to SEABL and Refs like Andreola etc went to Big V. Its very difficult to split the quality refs equally between the 2 leagues under the current system. Also, add that to the fact that a couple of quality referee's quit at the start of the season (Sellenger/Almond) and the resource pool is looking rather thin, especially with the 6 level 1 and level 2 guys from the NBL inelligable for finals.
Wouldnt that make the system even then?
From a neutral point of view i thought they did a pretty good job although the guy looked a bit out of his depth at times...
The players made the game scrappy at times but it seemed to get delt with pretty swiftly.
To be honest i think some club officials need to take a good hard look at their own conduct and behaviour, and that goes both ways although Seamus was way out of line.... and nobody steeped into keep him away from the refs till it got ugly.

Unfortunately it doesnt. There are some inconsistencies across the board during the season with respect to evaluations but thats another topic. It could be argued that Reid is number 1, Banik 2, Kelly 3 and maybe Clinton Boyd 4 out of the current crop of up and coming referee's. This season 3 of those 4 went to one league!!! Hence why it doesnt make it even!! As i said early, you also lose 2 of your top 10 referee's and the pool thins.
If the refs are distributed between BigV and Seabl odds and evens than how could the top 3 end up in seabl? obviously the order you ranked them in isnt how it ended up...
Id imagine to top and second highest ranked official would have got the "best" Seabl and Big V game.

[George the Gragon]

I thought she spoke sternly to the Dandenong coach when he had said little if anything. The pressure Westover and Stacker put on them was pretty intense. The refs both showed great restraint. The male ref got uptight with the pressure. This should be a good learning experience for him.

Corletto was great and Greer just stood out. Rangers are a tough team and played it right out. It doesn't help when you give away six free throws and possession each time. That is dumb and those responsible need to haver a good look at themselves. That said the Hobba tech was an overreaction by the male ref when he allowed the Melbourne defender to pull Hobba out odf the way and steal the ball right in front of him.

[singy]

With no allegance to either team i can honestly say the reffing was barring a few normal misses or questionables pretty good..., maybe the blinkers didnt allow some to see the game properly...

Did I ever at any stage of my post suggest a bias or one-eyed comment on the refs? I cited cases for both teams where the inconsistency led to confusion on the court. Also, the points I raised were not all directed at the one ref, I was raising cases against both of them.

To suggest that the refs "managed" the coaches is a stretch when you have your "senior" official basically ignoring the coaches, without allowing them the opportunity to ask for clarification. The good refs (and there's plenty of them) listen to the coaches, explain their point of view and get on with it. It just creates additional, and unnecessary, frustration, when the refs act like they did last night.

On Sturt, I agree, he made some dumb plays that were obvious fouls (none more silly than his 6th foul where he reached over the top for the ball with only 7 secs left), but there were at least 2 foul calls on him that were very questionable - the charge call when he wasn't given an opportunity to land was one of them.

[Hoopdog]

I thought she spoke sternly to the Dandenong coach when he had said little if anything. The pressure Westover and Stacker put on them was pretty intense. The refs both showed great restraint. The male ref got uptight with the pressure. This should be a good learning experience for him.

Corletto was great and Greer just stood out. Rangers are a tough team and played it right out. It doesn't help when you give away six free throws and possession each time. That is dumb and those responsible need to haver a good look at themselves. That said the Hobba tech was an overreaction by the male ref when he allowed the Melbourne defender to pull Hobba out odf the way and steal the ball right in front of him.
Id agree with all of that.

[curious]

Once again Seamus throwing his weight around.
Lets hope his unacceptable actions are called into account and he is banned, fined or both.
Maybe he should join a Board to do with the refs in the Big V.
He is on every other board influencing things.

[aussieBaller]

He is in alot of shit for that stunt he pulled. I hope he is banned from attending for the rest of the season.

[Factor]

Typical seamus, it begs the question though, who was looking after the refs at the end of the game? aren't they supposed to be escorted from the court to stop this kind of thing happening or at the very least protect them? I spoke with someone today who said they were left locked out of their room in the corridor and a spectator had to intervene till they got let in?

[curious]

Typical seamus, it begs the question though, who was looking after the refs at the end of the game? aren't they supposed to be escorted from the court to stop this kind of thing happening or at the very least protect them? ....
"Interesting at the end of the game a fat guy from Tigers chased the refs off the court. Rangers escort was manhandled by this guy. Not a great look. "
Ban the FF.

[aussieBaller]

The ref room was opened at the last time out less than 30 sec on the clock. the fan was actually the person escorting them. Seamus should know better than to do something like that. I have to say I actually agree with curious and ban the FF

[singy]

Once again Seamus throwing his weight around.
Lets hope his unacceptable actions are called into account and he is banned, fined or both.
Maybe he should join a Board to do with the refs in the Big V.
He is on every other board influencing things.

Interesting how you can make such a qualified comment on the situation when if I'm not mistaken, you weren't there and you didn't see what happened. I was there, but didn't see what happened, so the only comment I'm making on it is that if the alleged actions did happen, that's unacceptable.

Any opportunity to get stuck into the Tigers, hey curious. :roll:

[singy]

He is in alot of shit for that stunt he pulled. I hope he is banned from attending for the rest of the season.

I believe Seamus won't be here for the remainder of the Big V season anyway, so banning him from attending is slightly useless.

[Poida]

Ban him for life then :lol: :P

[curious]

Interesting how you can make such a qualified comment on the situation when if I'm not mistaken, you weren't there and you didn't see what happened. I was there, but didn't see what happened, so the only comment I'm making on it is that if the alleged actions did happen, that's unacceptable.
Any opportunity to get stuck into the Tigers, hey curious. :roll:
Do I need to be there when somone else was and witnessed it?
Nothing to do with the Tigers.
Seamus is responsible for being involved it too many things and has too much influence in all basketball circles.
It seems that by this incident the true colours of Seamus have surfaced.
If he doent get things his way, he is like a big kid.
Bully at that.
THose sort of people aren't needed around basketball.

[George the Gragon]

Seamus has been reported by the Referees.

[Factor]

Seamus has been reported by the Referees.
Interesting.. are you sure it wasnt the Big V that has made the report?
If it is true lets hope the Big V and VBRA have the balls to stand by the refs and back them unequivocally, rather than let Seamus bully his own agenda.

[singy]

Tigers had a very strong 2nd half to win 114-82 over Waverley and made it 18 wins in a row to book their spot in the Grand Final. Sandy is the other Grand Finalist, after what looked like a very tough win over Dandy. Will be interested to hear from those at that game.

For the Tigers, Tommy Greer continues his amazing run of form with 23 points and 25 rebounds! Another simply outstanding performance! DC also got close to another triple double, with 30 points, 7 boards and 8 assists.

[aussieBaller]

Very well fought game between dandy and Sandy. Sandy dominated the boards. Vince Iglima went down in the send with what looked like a calf injury. returned in the third but struggled and was dragged. Threatt was hammered on an on-ball screen and was dazed for a little while and struggled after that point. Very enjoyable game

[Lethal Vertical]

Go the Tigers! Great effort- beating Waverley by 32 is massive. After a quick scan of the boxscores these things stand out:

- The rebounding discrepancy was huge in both games- Tigers outrebounded Waverley by 19 and Sandy outrebounded Dandy by 25.

- Tommy Greer- At least 23 points AND at least 15 rebounds in the past FOUR games. NUTS!

- Corletto's got the hot shooting hand at the right time- 7/13 3's in the past 2 games, after averaging less than 2 a game at under 40% throughout the season.

[singy]

Tommy Greer- At least 23 points AND at least 15 rebounds in the past FOUR games. NUTS!

I'll admit I'm slightly biased on this, but Tommy has been the revelation of the Tigers Big V season. He has been the most consistent performer throughout, and although some games may not show it in the box scores, he has been so important to the team in bringing intensity and energy to every play. I'm hoping this translates to more minutes this upcoming NBL season.

Oh, and nice to have you back LV, after Hume's demise of course. :wink:

[Lethal Vertical]

I've never hidden from the fact that I support the Broncos...or the Tigers, depending on who's doing better at the time :lol:

And, I'm happy to talk up whichever team looks the better chance of taking out the competition.

So, where were we? Go Tigers!

[the dog]

I must admit i really enjoyed seeing Dandenong get bundled out of the Big V Finals in 2 straight games. I think that they have been so arrogant lately to other teams in the big V. I draw your attention to that article in the Dandenong Star newspaper when the Rangers complained about how the league is not strong enough for them and how they smashed teams like Eltham.

A bit of advice for the folk down Dandy way, how about you show your competition some respect in future and if your gunna big note yourself, do it after you win the Championship. It seems now you actually look quite silly.

[singy]

That's a bit rough. Dandy lost their 2 finals by 2 points and 4 points - both tough losses against fellow contenders for the Big V title. They are not wrong when they say they'd like a bit more competition - too often during the season, we had 40-60 point results. That just shouldn't happen in the Championship division.

[Poida]

How is that being arrogant??

Its the truth! The teams outside of the top 5, are really weak! Its a fact! I bet most people would agree with that. The majority of the Big V teams, are weak. And anyone that denies that, is an absolute clown.

How is that big noting themselves? Everyone down there is quite level headed. No one goes around big noting themselves, like you claim. I sense a bit of jealousy of the success of Dandenong over the past few years in the Big V.

Nothing silly about it. They lost to 2 of the actual strong teams in the Big V. Quality opposition, great teams that have proven their worth.

Full of shit you are mate! :)

[Poida]

That's a bit rough. Dandy lost their 2 finals by 2 points and 4 points - both tough losses against fellow contenders for the Big V title. They are not wrong when they say they'd like a bit more competition - too often during the season, we had 40-60 point results. That just shouldn't happen in the Championship division.

Exactly. Well said Singy.

[the dog]

Looks to me like they got more competition than they can handle. It never pays to big note yourself and talk down to your opposition. Just because you win some games does not mean you can publicly bag other clubs and teams. I think Dandenong really should just shut up and go about trying to win Championships and not worry about anybody else. Hell, if Bendigo win another SEABL Championship, they should just bag everyone and beat their chest.

[the dog]

How come all you Dandenong folk haven't blamed the refs this week. Thats usually the only reason you guys lose isn't it.

[Poida]

Answer my questions. Or are you incapable of coming up with relevant answers to your pitiful theories that Dandenong are "arrogant" and "look silly" :lol:

I guess the Tigers, Sandy and Waverley all wanting to goto SEABL is arrogant of them :roll:

[the dog]

Ok Poida,

Here's your answer so pay close attention.

I have not read in any newspaper articles where Waverley or Sandy have bad mouthed any teams in the Big V like that drivvel i read in the Star paper. I have also read where your Coach descibed how bad it is that they have to play Warrnambool in the last game of the year in Warrnambool and how its a waste of time. I guess thats why you lost? right. Poor preparation so lets blame Warrnambool.

Secondly, i think you will find that Waverley and Sandringham will be playing Big V next year. I suspect Dandy will too even though its clearly beneath them. I behalf of everyone in the Big V i would just like to thank the Rangers for putting up with all us shit teams.

There's your answer Poida, did you understand it?

[Poida]

Ok Poida,

Here's your answer so pay close attention.

I have not read in any newspaper articles where Waverley or Sandy have bad mouthed any teams in the Big V like that drivvel i read in the Star paper. I have also read where your Coach descibed how bad it is that they have to play Warrnambool in the last game of the year in Warrnambool and how its a waste of time. I guess thats why you lost? right. Poor preparation so lets blame Warrnambool.

Secondly, i think you will find that Waverley and Sandringham will be playing Big V next year. I suspect Dandy will too even though its clearly beneath them. I behalf of everyone in the Big V i would just like to thank the Rangers for putting up with all us shit teams.

There's your answer Poida, did you understand it?

Ahh ok......so you're from another team. Care to say which team?? Not that it matters.

I never said Waverley or Sandy were going to SEABL next year, just that they would want to go.

I'm guessing you are talking about this article:

http://www.senews.com.au/story/61687

There is nothing out of the ordinary in that article. And it should be noted that none of the players, coaches or team managers make comment in that article, so to call them arrogant without the evidence to back it up, just makes you look silly.

This season, the gap between the top four – Dandenong, Sandringham, Melbourne and Waverley – and the rest of the league has become farcical.

With one round of the regular season to play, Dandenong’s average winning margin for the year stands at 30 points, with Sandringham’s 26 points.

In its two matches against play-off contender Eltham, Dandenong has won by a total of 85 points.

That's the facts. Nothing arrogant about it. So are you going to say what team you're from/involved in?? Is it Eltham? :lol:

I guess thats why you lost? right. Poor preparation so lets blame Warrnambool.

I think any coach would agree that playing your final game of the season, against the bottom placed team, that didn't win a game ALL YEAR and has been getting smashed by an average margin of about 40 points per game, isn't ideal preparation going into the finals. They lost because they got beat by 2 very good teams in the past 2 weeks. Very good teams, something the Big V lacks big time :)

[singy]

I have attended every Big V game that the Tigers have played in this season, plus some other games, and I can safely say that outside of Dandenong, Sandringham, Waverley and Hume, there was little competition. That is not a criticism of those teams, or the players that make up those teams, but it's just a fact that there was a big gap between the top 3-4 and the rest in the Mens Championship division this season.

Warrnambool had 4 players on their roster that were 16 years old at the start of the season - it's no wonder they didn't win a game! In the 2 games I saw Warrnambool play against the Tigers, it was a 68-point and 52-point win to the Tigers, but the Seahawks' players gave it their all and did their best. They just should have been in a lower division - not sure if that's the Big V's doing, or the club's, but I'm sure the players and coaches would have preferred playing in a division where they could have been more competitive too.

The others (Ringwood, Eltham, Diamond Valley, Werribee and Latrobe City) had some good wins along the way, but when you have only 5 out of 11 teams finish with a winning record, and you have as many big blowouts as occurred this season, Dandenong has a point. Again, that's not necessarily a criticism of those teams, but the Big V needs to address this.

[basketballer999]

everyone thinks seabl is stronger why dosent seamus men play in seabl and see how good they will go then

[curious]

Its rumoured that the top 4 Big V teams might just do that.

[the dog]

Yes, Poida i am happy to answer your questions.

I am indeed from Eltham and found it pretty disappointing that the Rangers needed to say what was said in the media. Thats poor form. Our guys play hard and have been very competitive for most of the season. We did struggle to match up with Dandenong but that happens sometime. We smashed Warrnambool but we never felt the need to tell the papers they are crap. It called respecting your opposition.

That is the article i was referring too. It should have been handled in a different way. Remember Eltham have been in the league for alot longer that Dandenong and if you think you are too good then go back and join the SEABL. Your arrogance wont be missed.

I will not mention this again, as i said in my first post, i enjoyed the Rangers getting bundled out in 2 games. Hey, what about this though, Dandenong won as many finals games as Eltham this year.

Peace.

[Poida]

and if you think you are too good then go back and join the SEABL. Your arrogance wont be missed.

Dandenong, along with Melbourne, Sandringham and Waverley........are too good for the Big V. That's not arrogance, that's the god dam truth!

[the dog]

Poida,

I am not arguing that those teams may or may not be be too good for this level, I am saying that Dandenong are the only club who are publicly naming teams that they feel are not good enough and talking down to their opposition......GET IT? The end.

[clutch]

The Dog,

You are a goose. I know you are from Eltham but if you actually read the article for what it's worth, you would see that the article is not trying to belittle or bag opposition teams.

The article is trying to explain that the level of competition is not adequate for an elite league!! I think you would agree with this?? If not, you must be one VERY naive person.

In NO elite competition should a team be losing by 68 points or have an average losing margin of 40 points. Think about it. In AFL terms, that is like a team getting beaten by 15-20 goals on average. It's just ridiculous!! Even the worst teams in the AFL, WIN games i.e. Melbourne and West Coast. As the article says, Dandy AND Sandy have massive winning margins...but you can include Waverley n Melbourne there too...it's ridiculous and you know it...

Read the article again and see what is being said. They want to put the elite teams in one competition and have a super competitive league. Surely that's an ok thing to ask?!? And you would have to agree that Dandenong would be one of the elite teams even in this 'super' league. You don't be defending champs in Big V, and 2 time National runners up if you aren't any good.

Dandenong NEVER disrespected any teams. I am associated with them and I know for a FACT that they never belittled teams. Even going to Warrnambool, it was seen as a danger game and you would have to admit AGAIN, that it's not ideal preparation to play a team that hasn't won a game and are 4 hours away - the week before playoffs??? This is NOT arrogance. Dandy respected every team, including Eltham. We knew anybody in the top 4-5 could win it...and we got bundled out in 2. Unlucky. Got beaten by 2 very good teams...If you thought anybody outside the top 4-5 could win, you are silly.....Oh yeah, when you say Dandy won as many games as Eltham in playoffs this year...I'd just like to point out, how many years have Dandy been in Big V??? How many playoff games and championships have they won?? how many have Eltham won??? Don't start with the trash talk you big goof coz you won't win.

In regards to the newspaper using Eltham as an example. TOUGH luck mate. Get over it. It was merely used as an example to say Eltham are....WERE....playoff contenders but have lost by 40+ both games against Dandy. Suuuuurrrrrrrrely you can see that if a playoff team is getting smashed by 40 on more occassions than once...that the league isn't really in tip-top shape??

P.S. Where are the other teams the article mentions...you said Dandy publicly name teamS?? Only Eltham were named...Used merely as an example. If you were Dandy, Sandy, Melbourne or Waverley. Would you really wanna be winning 5-10 games a year by 40+??? Or would you rather be winning by small margins, losing more often and having super competitive games??? That's what I thought genius...

ARROGANCE??? Not at all...You and stupidity (maybe with an IQ like a 'dog' as your name suggests)??? YES INDEED!

GET IT? That is all...

[Skindog the Hawk]

(mod note - keep the personal jibes out of it and stay on topic please all)

[Poida]

Leave it out Skindog.

Get back to your little cave :lol: