Hawks fans it's now officially 2008-9 season

[kc4mvp]

Thought I would start this for the Hawks FANS to collate thoughts of who should be a HAWK in 2008-9.

Starting Point

1st Five ..........Bench
Tait ...............??????
Kavos .......... Campbel
?????? ..........Jackson
?????? ..........??????
Trags .............Davidson

Need an Import 3/4, back up Pt Guard and two OZ/NZ Bigs

Whats your collective thoughts

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

Kench could maybe keep his B/U spot. He's done a good job, backing up Tait, would do some great work.

Maybe we should ban Cookie from searching for Imports....get someone else to do it!

[Essen]

Kench could maybe keep his B/U spot. He's done a good job, backing up Tait, would do some great work.

Maybe we should ban Cookie from searching for Imports....get someone else to do it!

I dunno, the way they were playing, and if the rumour about Jamario Moon was true, they'd have been a damn good side.

[boz_novocastrian]

cam rigby would be a perfect oz big as he knows the plays

[edan]

I'd look to re-sign Kench and Rigby. But of course it all depends on other available free agents.

I'd be pissed off if they even consider Trahair, and pretty disappointed if Phillip is back.

I'm on the fence about Castle, it really depends on Jackson's development, and if Cooks feels he's capable as a back-up 3.

The import spot is going to be a major turning point for this team. A quality import and Tait back at pre-injury form, could be enough to make us a playoff team.

[boz_novocastrian]

i say get rid of castle and keep phillip as the backup 3

[Quahog]

The 3 spot was our achilles heal this year and both Philip & Castle shouldn't be back after the year they've had.
This was the big opportunity this year for both of them, especially Phllip. Philip has gone backwards this year IMO. Defensively he is the the worst player on the roster, if he had've brought us some offense you maybe let it slide but his 36%fg's and 22% on 3's, 4ppg in 14 minutes has me thinking he has to go.

Ben C was our best defender but he was atrocious offensively. 31% fg's and 25% on 3's, 2 assists, 6ppg in 29 minutes doesn't cut it. I would sign him if it was minimum as he could be an ok defensive sub/option.

[kc4mvp]

The 3 spot was our achilles heal this year and both Philip & Castle shouldn't be back after the year they've had.
This was the big opportunity this year for both of them, especially Phllip. Philip has gone backwards this year IMO. Defensively he is the the worst player on the roster, if he had've brought us some offense you maybe let it slide but his 36%fg's and 22% on 3's, 4ppg in 14 minutes has me thinking he has to go.

Ben C was our best defender but he was atrocious offensively. 31% fg's and 25% on 3's, 2 assists, 6ppg in 29 minutes doesn't cut it. I would sign him if it was minimum as he could be an ok defensive sub/option.

Sort off SO Jesky

[boz_novocastrian]

the hawks need an import 3 but i do not feel phillip should get the chop cos didnt he have an injury in the previous offseason which did not allow him to play in the waratah league last winter

[bakari]

Kavossy, Goooone.

[fan since the old snakepit]

Kavossy, Goooone.

He's under contract.

By the way, its great how you have have replied to about 6 topics and have contibuted about as much as your namesake did at the defensive end which is 3/4 of SFA.

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

Kavossy, Goooone.

banned actually...i wonder if this was you....

[Silencer83]

Kavossy, Goooone.

banned actually...i wonder if this was you....

Actually I postulated the same thing somewhere else... World Basketball I think.

As for the Hawks I think you have a good nucleus and with a good import and another year under the belt of your younger players you could easily be top 6 contenders

[anonymouse]

Kench is a good backup PG who brings energy. If we can get him at the right price he is definitely worth re-signing.

I doubt we will keep Trahair around as he was only brought in to fill out the roster.

John Phillip is a crowd fave and it would be sad to see him go, but I think its time. He doesn't give us anything extra that Dan Jackson can't do. Either JP or Castle has to go and I'd prefer to keep Castle if he will re-sign at the right price. Better defender, a good commodity to have coming in off the bench. Rigby would be good to keep around as well, if we can't find anyone else to fill his role.

We just need a starting quality 3 and I think we will have to look at an import to fill that role.

[fan since the old snakepit]

I agree. The 3 spot is the key. We got nothing out of this position in most games this year. We have a good core with the 5 players under contract plus Jacko to be signed as our contracted U23 player. If we fill the 3 spot with an import he can be backed up in the 10 mins or so he is not on the court by Jacko or Matty C swinging into the three. That leaves 3 spots open.

1 goes to Kench. Would play less with Tait healthy but can give us a spark and is still on the up.
The second I would go all out for Mika Vukona. Would give us a defensive stopper an agressive rebounder and a different look in our bigs. I like Cam Rigby but his perimeter game is similar to Davo. If we have a look around and don't get Mika or a young returning college 4 then by all means sign Rigby.
The last spot will depend on the versiillity of our second import. If he is a 3 who can play the 4 if we go small then Ben Castle at the right price and told to never shoot another three ball unless he gets it with a second to go on the shot clock would do fine as a stopper comeing off the bench. If the guy is a pure 3 then go for Mika or another 4 man plus get Rigby back.

[anonymouse]

To be honest I would rather have Rigby than Larry... Is he nursing an injury? I missed the last home game but apparently he was playing soft. Softer than usual. Missing layups etc. when he could have just gone up stronger and DUNKED THE THING. Ive seen him do it in another recent home game as well. He has the odd big night when hes hot from range, he just needs to put in more effort, particularly around the hoop (at both ends...) like Big Rig does.

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

he maybe was playing a little soft on O, but not on D! He fouled ut things were bad, Rigby went, it was over

[Stanley]

To be honest I would rather have Rigby than Larry... Is he nursing an injury? I missed the last home game but apparently he was playing soft. Softer than usual. Missing layups etc. when he could have just gone up stronger and DUNKED THE THING. Ive seen him do it in another recent home game as well. He has the odd big night when hes hot from range, he just needs to put in more effort, particularly around the hoop (at both ends...) like Big Rig does.

To say Larry is soft is pretty far off the mark, yes he came with that reputation but surely if you've seen the games this season you would have noticed that's not the case.

Larry was put on Jawai after his hot start and was really physical, getting under his skin (resulted in a T on Jawai). Something he's done well all season is banging on defence irritating the opposition.

Rigby was the same, playing hard on d all night before he also fouled out.

BTW - For the game Rig was 2/8 and Larry was 9/14

[anonymouse]

Fair enough, I'll give you that Larry is far from soft on the defensive end for the most part, and has impressed me throughout the season, especially when he's given the job of marking the oppositions toughest low post player eg. Jawai.

But i still say he needs some hustle when he is around the hoop on offense and needs to be aggressive in every game. He seems fairly reliable from mid to long range which is not a bad thing, but id like to see him being more aggressive when hes closer to the hoop.

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

Fair enough, I'll give you that Larry is far from soft on the defensive end for the most part, and has impressed me throughout the season, especially when he's given the job of marking the oppositions toughest low post player eg. Jawai.

But i still say he needs some hustle when he is around the hoop on offense and needs to be aggressive in every game. He seems fairly reliable from mid to long range which is not a bad thing, but id like to see him being more aggressive when hes closer to the hoop.

yeah, most bigs in NBL need to be more agressive on the scoring end. Cam T is another I want to see go nuts next to the basket

[boz_novocastrian]

in all fairness with trigger this season was like his rookie season as he never had starter minutes before and is a bit light at present for a 5 needs to bulk up to 108-110kgs max

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

true, and he has proven himself at NBL level this year.

It's interesting though Joey Wright commented to the Illawarra Mercury after there last visit on how overweight he was when at Brisbane. Whoever got him for QABL season, get him in the gym!!!!

[anonymouse]

So, who's on the FA list that you would like to add? or potentially could sign here?

[boz_novocastrian]

julius hodge
mika vukona (if cam rigby is not resigned)

[Latts]

Yesterday's local news indicated Rigby was 50/50 to be back.

There was also a small piece of an interview with him that indicated retirement may be an option (at age 29) due to some injuries (his back from memory - I wasnt paying close attention to the tv)

[fan since the old snakepit]

julius hodge
mika vukona (if cam rigby is not resigned)

100% agree. With these two Tait back & Campbell healthy we move into the tier of teams below Kings (who may not be as good next year) Tigers and Bullets.

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

[quote="boz_novocastrian":4y2yd0al]julius hodge
mika vukona (if cam rigby is not resigned)

100% agree. With these two Tait back & Campbell healthy we move into the tier of teams below Kings (who may not be as good next year) Tigers and Bullets.[/quote:4y2yd0al]

We got them, wow. However, first impressions last, and Hodge wasn't the most likeable of people. Do we know if he was actually a nice guy?

[fan since the old snakepit]

25 PPG @ 53% 9 rebounds and 6 assists makes him a nice guy in my books.

I did not think much of him early on as he appears to have lots of limitations, but he has won me over cause he just gets it done at both ends of the court.

[kc4mvp]

julius hodge
mika vukona (if cam rigby is not resigned)

If I could I would love to get Balls back(as an Aust Player) and Julius Hodge.

[the fox]

I went to the Hawks post-season awards night. It was a glamorous afffair which the players clearly enjoyed and got into the spirit of the occasion. The general theme was how much they enjoyed the season despite the numerous injuries and the uncertainty regarding the future of the club.

Several directors and sponsors spoke about the new sponsorships and there was an overwhelming sense of optimism, especially as the Hawks' future has been secured for 3 years at least.

Some players coming from larger clubs spoke about how different it was in a small "community-based" club where they have contact with their personal sponsor, where people recognise them in the street and the whole community (including some 80 businesses) are behind them.

The top 3 players said they hoped to stay with the Hawks long term and Kavossy Franklin said he really ejoyed the season and indicated that he felt the team wants to stay together and has unfinished business to attend to.

The whole club seemed to be stale when coach Joyce was here. There seems a real buzz about the place now.

[Stanley]

Couldn't agree more fox, and the sentiments expressed from the players was genuine.

If we can get an import to join Kavossy with his workrate, the team will make a big leap forward.

Despite the results this was an enjoyable season, of the 20 or so games i attended this season only a couple were let downs.

[Skindog the Hawk]

There seems a real buzz about the place now.

On that note...

Hawks advertising for General Manager - Sales and Marketing (http://www.dmwgroup.com.au/datelist60517.cfm?id=3F602CB6-C09F-40F0-1633E848A5EA3F6D)

No, I'm not applying (possibly a tad over my head), however it'll be interesting to see who the Hawks get into this position.

SD.

[anonymouse]

Damn, i dont finish my degree for another 3 years...

[insideout]

Hey what a great opportunity to grab Worthington to the Hawks for next year. FSTOS I am sure, would welcome him with open arms.

Forget a return to the Hawks by Sav as he has failed to prove his metal under a polite, knowledgeable coach. Sav obviously needs in-your face instructions to play at his best. Could probably suit Gold Coast.

Kench is a youngster whose decision making at high speed leaves a bit of a gap on his CV. Not sure if his worth another year but then who else?

[Stanley]

Forget a return to the Hawks by Sav as he has failed to prove his metal under a polite, knowledgeable coach. Sav obviously needs in-your face instructions to play at his best. Could probably suit Gold Coast.


What a load of rubbish.

Im confused, you obviously haven't seen Goorj coach to often to suggest he's not 'in-your face' - if you do mean Goorj and say Sav hasn't proved his metal, do you realise Sav was a key member of a 27-3 team, who is continually praised by his coach and teammates alike for the role he played this year.

Also if you happened to miss the semi final game the other night, he kick started them with 15pts in the first quarter, and killed off Perths comeback with three straight bombs to seal it.

Or is the polite-knowledgeable coach you refer too Cookie, the one Sav posted career numbers under in the half season they were together?

Either way, your wrong on all counts.

I'd suggest you'd struggle to find one Hawk fan that wouldn't take Sav back if Kings happen to fold.

[kc4mvp]

Sav has certainly had a worse year than previous ones.
( pre the start to the Finals that is)

Yes the majority of fans probably would take him back,
but having chased the $ and got it by all comments seen on OZHOOPS,
the Hawks would not be able to afford him as they nee to get a realy good import.

Anyway isn't he contracted next year even if the current Kings owners change?

[SteelPants48]

Word in todays Illawarra Mercury is that John Phillips, Aaron trahair and Ben Castle will not be resigned for next year.

Jeremy Kench and Cameron Rigby are still being considered while Dan Jackson is a definate target for resigning.

These seem like good decisions by the Hawks.

I would like Jackson and Kench resigned. They could also do worse than resigning Rigby.

If they bring in a new import for the front court and sign a starting small forward it would give them:

Franklin
Campbell
New 3 man to be signed
New Import to be signed
Tragargh
Kench
Tait
Jackson
Rigby
Davidson

If the two new players are good that team is not too shabby.

[kc4mvp]

With that releases that leaves us , with Kench and Rigby to be confirmed.

1st Five ..........Bench
Tait ...............Kench?
Kavos .......... Campbel
?????? ..........Jackson
?????? ..........Rigby?
Trags ............Davidson

Do we go for an import who can 3 & some at 4? (Hodges)

Do we go fora 4? (Vakona/Ballinger??)

[Latts]

Forget a return to the Hawks by Sav as he has failed to prove his metal under a polite, knowledgeable coach. Sav obviously needs in-your face instructions to play at his best. Could probably suit Gold Coast.


:lol: :lol: :lol: GOLD.

[Stanley]

:roll:

[kc4mvp]

Anyone seen an import or OZ player with the following average stats/game of

20pts
15 rebounds
10 Assists
Agressive defence
and likes to run.

Please contact Cookie at the Hawks office.

[Gong4life]

I would like to see this.

Starting Five:
Kavossy Franklin PG
Matty Campbell G
Adam Ballinger SF (Aussie)
Cam Tragradh PF
Tony Rampton C

Bench:
Dontaye Drappa PG
Lindsay Tait G
Mika Vukona SF
Cam Rigby PF
Larry Davidson C

Just my thoughts. :D

[viper]

I would like to see this.

Starting Five:
Kavossy Franklin PG
Matty Campbell G
Adam Ballinger SF (Aussie)
Cam Tragradh PF
Tony Rampton C

Bench:
Dontaye Drappa PG
Lindsay Tait G
Mika Vukona SF
Cam Rigby PF
Larry Davidson C

Just my thoughts. :D

wouldnt mind seeing that myself but not sure how realistic it is :)

I think the hawks would realisticly look good with:

Starting Five:
PG Lindsay Tait
SG Kavossy Franklin
SF IMPORT or Vukona
PF Ballinger or IMPORT (balls as an aussie - would love to see this..)
C Traghard

Bench
PG Kench (i dont actually like him but looks like the hawks may keep him. hopefully with Tait back he will only be used in small spurts. )
SG Matty Campbell
SF Dan Jackson
PF Rigby (hopefully they can entice him to go around again)
C Davidson

Id like to see a situation where the new import and Ballinger (or someone like him) and play between the 3 and 4 spot to cover in need. Even possibly signing Vukona at the starting 3 and get an import 4?? Matty C can also play some time in the 3 spot when needed. If the cash was around id actually like to see an IMPORT SF/PF, Ballinger PF and Vukona SF/PF on the bench and move out rigby... looking forward to seeing what cooky does in the off season....

[Gong4life]

That would work too. :)

[Lord Strone]

Id like to see THE TRUCK!!!

[Gong4life]

I think he is a full time teacher now. But it would be nice to see him back on court.

[angry ant]

PG: Orien Greene
SG:Kavossy Franklin
SF: Jason Smith (if they can somehow get him to sign)
PF: Mika Vukona
C:Cam Tragardh
--------------------------------------------
PG: Lindsey Tait
SG: Matt Campbell
SF: Ben Castle
PF: Larry Davidson
C: Axel Dench
Michael Cedar

[Gong4life]

There is no way any hawks fan could stand having 7ft plus of usless body wasting time under the basket again. 8)

[viper]

SF: Ben Castle


allready gone. has moved back to brisbane.



C: Axel Dench


you kidding me?? :shock: :?

[anonymouse]

id prefer someone younger than Jason Smith. Why do we need him anyway? We have Matty.

I really can't wait for next season now. A healthy Lindsay Tait for an entire season is a very exciting prospect.

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

[quote=angry ant]

SF: Ben Castle


allready gone. has moved back to brisbane.



C: Axel Dench


you kidding me?? :shock: :?[/quote:gorbq46n]

quality joke

[Stanley]

Off Season player tracker has been added to the site to keep up to date with what players are doing..


Tracker (http://www.wollongonghawks.com.au/hawks/off-season/2.html)

[Latts]

Where's Garrison nowadays?

[kc4mvp]

Where's Garrison nowadays?

In the Jap League I think

[Stanley]

Where's Garrison nowadays?

google.com (http://www.asia-basket.com/team.asp?Cntry=JPN&Team=4121)

[Stanley]

Interesting no reason fact of the day:

Last Three Hawks Coaches, all had sons play in the NBL.

Joyce (hawks, blaze)
Black (perth, cairns)
Linstrom (tville)

[fan since the old snakepit]

And the current one may well continue that tradition and he will do it the same way two of the previous three did it, without a legup.

[kc4mvp]

2 recent articles of interest in the Illawarra Mercury

Wollongong Hawks and IMB save the Kitty and Seahawks teams in the ABA, State League and Youth League.

http://illawarra.yourguide.com.au/news/ ... 07435.html (http://illawarra.yourguide.com.au/news/sport/other/seahawks-saved-from-extinction/1207435.html)

And Cookies Salary Cap statement


http://illawarra.yourguide.com.au/news/ ... 11235.html (http://illawarra.yourguide.com.au/news/sport/basketball/cut-nbl-salaries-says-cooks/1211235.html)

[kc4mvp]

The Hawks have 6 players so far

Tait
Franklin
Campbel
Trags
Davidson
Jackson

Throw in a good 3 man,import 3,4 player and another solid bIg like Rigs plus another big oz player development player.

we will have a good shot at a top 4 position.
Who do you think would fit

Import ? # or 4 player
oz 3 man ? or 4 player?
Big Oz ?
Dev Player?

[havrilla the gorilla]

Anyone seen an import or OZ player with the following average stats/game of

20pts
15 rebounds
10 Assists
Agressive defence
and likes to run.

Please contact Cookie at the Hawks office.

Daniel Joyce

[kc4mvp]

Anyone seen an import or OZ player with the following average stats/game of

20pts
15 rebounds
10 Assists
Agressive defence
and likes to run.

Please contact Cookie at the Hawks office.

Daniel Joyce

You cut me up

[boz_novocastrian]

The Hawks have 6 players so far

Tait
Franklin
Campbel
Trags
Davidson
Jackson

Throw in a good 3 man,import 3,4 player and another solid bIg like Rigs plus another big oz player development player.

we will have a good shot at a top 4 position.
Who do you think would fit

Import ? # or 4 player
oz 3 man ? or 4 player?
Big Oz ?
Dev Player?

go for vukona as a 3. go for an import 4 like rosell ellis or dusty rychart type of hardworking solid rebounder who will give u 15-18ppg

[kc4mvp]

Given Cookies comments Vukona will be here if he wants to play more minutes, not lots of $$.

http://illawarra.yourguide.com.au/news/ ... 15276.html (http://illawarra.yourguide.com.au/news/sport/basketball/hawks-wont-bid-for-vukona/1215276.html)


Vukona and Rigby with Pope/Kench + Import player would not be a bad side.

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

Pope is gone for sure...along with Castle and Fatair

[kc4mvp]

Pope is gone for sure...along with Castle and Fatair

don't see that as an absolute, Pope did not play ABA last Season and felt the effect in the last NBL season.

This season he's playing ABA and firing pretty good.

Still a possibility to be offered something either here, Kings or maybe W/Syd prior to the start of the season?

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

when I spoke to Matt Flynn the other day, he said he knew Pope wasn't even going to see out WABL season

[kc4mvp]

Looks like Vukona has flown the coup.

[Lord Strone]

Looks like Vukona has flown the coup.


SKitz!!!






Cap cheats!

[Lord Strone]

BTTT

[viper]

i attempted to post a basketball related comment on the 'Hawks Mcleod harmisson' thread but obviously that thread is about something else all together. Lets hope this thread stays about basketball!!

anyway, any rumours or hopeful signings? Do you think that Cooky will go with an import that has already played in the league - so he knows whats he's getting - to ensure he dont get 2 duds like last year?

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

I haven't heard any rumours yet, but the 2nd import spot is going to be extremely crucial. Safety first this year. We need to view some players, and watch them workout, not just game tape.

The problem with Reyes wan't that he couldn't play, he was just an arsehole

[Lord Strone]

We need a 3 man and a Center bad

[viper]

i agree strone. i realise that there is probably no chance but id love to see an import like Rashard Tucker, or Dave Thomas in the 3 spot. at least we know what we're getting and they can perform.

as for the centre..... anyone returning from europe or college? i dont see any other possibilities in oz..

lets hope that the 2nd import is v v v goooooooood.

[anonymouse]

Any rumours of potential signings? (Make one up, if you want).

[Skindog the Hawk]

Rashad Tucker to take the second import spot...(well you did say make something up)

[curious]

Rashad Tucker to take the second import spot...(well you did say make something up)
Not a good suggestion.
Tucker and his personal problems don't need to be re visited on these shores ever again.
I hope that who ever may contemplate giving him another job asks some Aussie clubs before hiring him.

[Skindog the Hawk]

Rashad Tucker to take the second import spot...(well you did say make something up)
Not a good suggestion.
Tucker and his personal problems don't need to be re visited on these shores ever again.
I hope that who ever may contemplate giving him another job asks some Aussie clubs before hiring him.

Agreed. However anonymouse did mention the whole making one up bit... :?

Seriously, I'd like to have an import in the Adam Ballinger mould - 4 man who can play the 5 at a pinch and gives you 20 & 10 night in, night out.

SD.

[fan since the old snakepit]

With the makeup of our team at present and the absence of any viable 3 men on the FA list, we must go for an import 3. That import has to be a 3 who can swing to the four if we want to go small. Matty C swinging from the 2 and Jacko (who is having a very dissapointing WABL season at this stage) can back him up at the 3. If we sign a true 4 or 5 man then we have nothing at 3.This also means that we need some backup in the 4 and 5. I am thinking that maybe Hobba and Micheal Kingma might be worth a look as it appears we have no hope of getting the best availible option in Bradshaw or picking up a decent returning college 4 or 5.
If the import is a star and with a healthy Tait we will be a much improved team from last year and may sneak into the playoffs. Kings & Bullets will be weaker next year and I dont think the Blaze will be able to match what they did (think they will be more likely to play like they did towards the end of the season). Obviously Dragons & 36ers will be a lot stronger.

Starting and backups will look something like this.

5 Trags
4 Davidson
3 Import
2 Matty C or Kavossy
1 Kavossy or Tait

Bench
Kingma
Hobba
Jacko
Tait/ Matty C
Kench

[Lord Strone]

Good Post,

Its a gem 3man or bust I feel this season, although a healthy tait will boost us 1000 times!

[anonymouse]

A healthy Tait provides us a bit of a conundrum. Tait, Kavossy and Matty are all good enough to be and should be starters.

We could go small with

PG Tait
SG Kavossy
SF Matty
PF Import 3/4 combo
C Trags

That gives us a damn fine back court. All three can score and all are decent defenders. The only problem is Matty defending some of the bigger wing players who could post him up and score over him.

I think it is all riding on the second import. It definately needs to be someone athletic who can rebound and defend and score in the post.

[Lord Strone]

A healthy Tait provides us a bit of a conundrum. Tait, Kavossy and Matty are all good enough to be and should be starters.

We could go small with

PG Tait
SG Kavossy
SF Matty
PF Import 3/4 combo
C Trags

That gives us a damn fine back court. All three can score and all are decent defenders. The only problem is Matty defending some of the bigger wing players who could post him up and score over him.

I think it is all riding on the second import. It definately needs to be someone athletic who can rebound and defend and score in the post.


Start tait on the bench then bring him on and either matt or vossy slide over to SG.

[Stanley]

Taits a starter in this league.

Slide Kavossy and Soup down one.

It was going to happen last season, but Tait got injured.

[fan since the old snakepit]

With the makeup of our team at present and the absence of any viable 3 men on the FA list, we must go for an import 3. That import has to be a 3 who can swing to the four if we want to go small. Matty C swinging from the 2 and Jacko (who is having a very dissapointing WABL season at this stage) can back him up at the 3. If we sign a true 4 or 5 man then we have nothing at 3.This also means that we need some backup in the 4 and 5. I am thinking that maybe Hobba and Micheal Kingma might be worth a look as it appears we have no hope of getting the best availible option in Bradshaw or picking up a decent returning college 4 or 5.
If the import is a star and with a healthy Tait we will be a much improved team from last year and may sneak into the playoffs. Kings & Bullets will be weaker next year and I dont think the Blaze will be able to match what they did (think they will be more likely to play like they did towards the end of the season). Obviously Dragons & 36ers will be a lot stronger.

Starting and backups will look something like this.

5 Trags
4 Davidson
3 Import
2 Matty C or Kavossy
1 Kavossy or Tait

Bench
Kingma
Hobba
Jacko
Tait/ Matty C
Kench

Ill add Mottram and Petrie to the posible front court recruits. Both blue collar types who would fit our style and budget.

[fan since the old snakepit]

Taits a starter in this league.

Slide Kavossy and Soup down one.

It was going to happen last season, but Tait got injured.

I agree he's could be a starter and showed me last season that he has what it takes at both ends of the court to be a good contributor. I just dont think that we can start those three as we will be very thin off the bench if that were to happen. As I said the option could be to start Tait and bring Matty off the bench to cover for Tait, Vossy or the import 3.
I just cant see us being effective without a top class import at the three spot.

[anonymouse]

I was going to mention bringing Matty off the bench. I even talked about it before last season. Matty has given a lot to this club, so to be coming in off the bench, seems a little disrespectful, plus he brings us a lot with his top notch D and shooting...

Even so, he is getting older and maybe it is time...

[Skindog the Hawk]

Ill add Mottram and Petrie to the posible front court recruits. Both blue collar types who would fit our style and budget.

Isn't Petrie heading to Brisbane??

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

I am worried about the lack of news coming out at the moment other than a contract extension for Cam and who we won't sign for next year...

[fan since the old snakepit]

[quote="fan since the old snakepi":drakf4vw]Ill add Mottram and Petrie to the posible front court recruits. Both blue collar types who would fit our style and budget.

Isn't Petrie heading to Brisbane??[/quote:drakf4vw]
Looks like he is. We missed another one. Just read a rumour on here that Rigby might be heading there as well. In saying that Brisbane has more spots to fill than us and probably will spend a bit over the real value as they have to secure someone.
Running out of time Hawks. Go for Hobba or Mottram before they disappear!

[Stanley]

Hawks Appoint General Manager Sales & Marketing

"I look forward to working with the all stakeholders to re-build this great basketball club," Neil said. "The effort of the board, the owners and the Friends of the Hawks last season in ensuring the Hawks’ survival was nothing short of sensational. With that backing and the support of the new naming rights sponsor ahm, I am confident the Wollongong Hawks are embarking on an exciting new era."

Meanwhile, head coach Eric Cooks is working hard to secure the right combination of players to build a successful team.

Full Release (http://www.wollongonghawks.com.au/hawks/hawks-appoint-general-manager-sales-marketing.html)

[isaac]

I think Mottram's heading to the Kings?

[Stanley]

I think Mottram's heading to the Kings?

I cant confirm or deny that sorry. :P

[isaac]

Har har!

[fan since the old snakepit]

Nice Stanley (or is it Curious)

Looks like another off the list. We have some money to spend and if we dont get busy there will be no F'n one left.


As a backup Kingma 24 and 17 this week, 45 and 30 last week in QABL Similar figures to Trags.
Still think he is worth a look as a 3rd or 4th big body. Sets good screens, plays hard (albeit plays pretty dumb) and can and will give up the hard foul. Who the f*** else is left.

[bucky]

Who is Kingma playing for at the moment?

He could be a great addition to a team depending on his points. He was effective in his only season as a pirate and would be a handy back up.

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

I doubt we'll get Kingma, as he gets a lot more playing in Sweden.

[Stanley]

The Mercury mentioned that despite having more money to spend this season, the Hawks couldnt compete with money Tigers & Dragons threw at Grizzard and Vukona - both whom were high on Cookies wish list.

Also mentions the club has been in contact with Dusty and Isiah Victor, Cookie likes the fact Dusty could be naturalised in the next year and the improvement Victor showed in the later parts of last season.

[fan since the old snakepit]

Both of those guys are fine and if we had any sort of depth in the 3 spot would fit OK. The problem is is we sign them Who/T/F is going to fill our big weekness from last season (the 3 spot). They will also take minutes away from Trags and Davo. I just cant see how an import 4/5 will help us more than a 3 who can play the four at a pinch.

[isaac]

Dusty would be a PF and I'd guess that Victor's a PF/SF rather than a PF/C? Get Dusty, play Davidson at SF a bit. Then when Dusty naturalises, you're in good shape?

[viper]

I think that we can find decent/passable back up bigs (4 & 5 men) that are aussie but there are just no avaliable aussie 3 men... therefore i dont see how we can ignore getting an import for the 3 spot.

[anonymouse]

Theres no way I would ever play Davidson at the 3. He is too slow and would be a liability on the defensive end. To me he is a PF with 3 point range and should be used to open up the lane a bit and hit the odd three.

I don't like the addition of Dusty. Isiah Victor would be a decent pick up as he is sort of a a 4/3 combo.

But I still think we need more of a 3/4 combo. Filling that 3 spot comes first and Cookie may have to take a chance on an unknown.

[Poida]

Nice Stanley (or is it Curious)

Looks like another off the list. We have some money to spend and if we dont get busy there will be no F'n one left.


As a backup Kingma 24 and 17 this week, 45 and 30 last week in QABL Similar figures to Trags.
Still think he is worth a look as a 3rd or 4th big body. Sets good screens, plays hard (albeit plays pretty dumb) and can and will give up the hard foul. Who the f*** else is left.

Not as effective against the bigger name teams in QABL!

[Stanley]

Local junior Dan Jackson has signed on for the 2008/09 NBL season with the Wollongong Hawks after an impressing rookie campaign.

Jackson Stays Put (http://www.wollongonghawks.com.au/hawks/jackson-stays-put.html)
http://www.wollongonghawks.com.au/hawks/images/stories/_2008/news/2008-04-30-jackson.jpg

[boz_novocastrian]

but wouldnt dusty be an upgrade over davidson and have davidson back up the 4/5 position getting around 25-30mpg behind both dusty and trigger

[fan since the old snakepit]

but wouldnt dusty be an upgrade over davidson and have davidson back up the 4/5 position getting around 25-30mpg behind both dusty and trigger

Yes he would . The point I was trying to make though, is that at the moment we have something decent in that spot and only need to pick up a servicable backup. At the three we have nothing and there is nothing around so we have to get an import to play the 3. In an ideal world that guy will be able to swing into the four spot at times. ie An import who could play a Sammy Mac type role would be ideal. The way I see it our 2nd import needs to play 38-40+ mins if we want to compete. Trags can play 35-40 Dav0 is capable of 25-30. If the import is a 3 who can play 4 we can play a three guard rotation or Jacko in the 3 when he swings to the four. As I said if the guy is only a 5/4 type our options are to start Matty C, Kavossy and Tait leaving very little as back up for three perimeter spots (and not much around). I just think that we could get someone like Hobba, Kingma or Rigby back etc who would be as servicable as the trio of Trags Rigby Davo were last year.

[anonymouse]

Good news about Jacko. He had a few absolute blinders when he was given garbage time minutes last season. Hopefully some more meaningful minutes heading his way, as I believe he has the talent to become a very servicable backup next season behind an import 3.

[fan since the old snakepit]

Good news about Jacko. He had a few absolute blinders when he was given garbage time minutes last season. Hopefully some more meaningful minutes heading his way, as I believe he has the talent to become a very servicable backup next season behind an import 3.
I agree. Looked like he would be able to step up this season, but I am starting to have my doubts after watching him play in quite a few WABL games. Form at the moment is patchy and really struggling to knock down the outside shot. Pope looks great at this level but has struggled to carry over that form to NBL. Others such as Clint Reed, Graham Dann, and BJ have also excelled in WABL. Jacko needs to just let his instincts take over and catch and shoot the open looks. Needs also to develop a medium range game and work off the dribble. Still only young and has a great upside I hope.

[insideout]

Davidson as a starter and thereby a key to success? Beggers cant be choosers though Hawks fans expect that the team has "at least" the salary cap to play with. FAN is right when he plays down Dan Jackson's ABL performance to date. He seems to be struggling against the old heads an should relax and enjoy the game a little. Dann and Reed are certainly filling the Snakepit with excitment and perhaps Cookies should take a gander.
The current recruits have only one consistant outside shooter and thats Campbell. Kavossy is much more a threat in the 2 spot. Tait ,if he stays healthy, will be big at the Point but rest him with Campbell or Kav and the ouside game is reduced.
Davidson had some great minutes last season but if he is a starter then he will need to be a consistant threat at both ends.
Yes we need an awsome import for the 3 spot who can play an inside/outside game. Most of all the Hawks need him to be both an effective player and an entertainer.
The Sandpit needs to get The Gong back to Basketball all season and Cookie should be now well down the track in locking in exceptional Aussies. Up until now no GM to help him out but with the new man now on deck Cookie should perhaps leave the negotiations to him.
We should by now be creating exciting expectations for next season and we are certainly not doing that.

[anonymouse]

I dunno, Kavossy hit some big triples last season. And when he was healthy (or even semi-healthy) Tait showed he could drain it from deep. Matty is still the best 3 pt shooter on the team, but really he probably would be on a majority of teams.

[SteelPants48]

I wouldn't mind seeing Isiah Victor with the Hawks next season, he has a versatile offenisve game and would be a good compliment to the team already assembled. Victor can shoot the three, post up and put the ball on the floor. He would be a handful playing alongside Tragaher.

However the Hawks do need to get an Aussie "3" that has some game. Vukona would have been ideal, lets see who else is on the market.

[isaac]

There's no one on the market. If Davidson can't play SF, then get a beast import there or you're in a bit of trouble. Hopefully you can have a little more luck this season than getting another Peters or Reyes.

[anonymouse]

3rd time lucky, I hope.

[viper]

Rigby signed with Brisbane.... Hawks options are quickly diminishing.... :?

[Stanley]

New mantra announced this arvo - Pride & Passion

IMB Hawks has also given way to ahm Hawks
it's a whole new ball game (http://www.wollongonghawks.com.au/hawks/ahm-hawks-it-s-a-whole-new-ball-game.html)

[anonymouse]

Never Say Die is at least 97% less gay.

[kc4mvp]

Tait is about to hit the court this week in NZ NBL.
Hope hes fully fit and is going to have a big impact for us.

Anyone hear any news on the import player and Big OZ front?

We still have to go.

[Stanley]

Bring back the Truck!!!!!

[kc4mvp]

Bring back the Truck!!!!!


What the man said

[viper]

will the hawks be interested in Pero Vasiljevic?

[Stanley]

will the hawks be interested in Pero Vasiljevic?

Someone has mentioned Pero in the South Dragons thread as having his point re-rated, which shows he's presumably interested in getting back into the NBL.

Physically/Athletically, he's a prototype (forget Barlow).

Played good basketball under Goorj in the past, and put up pretty decent numbers with Razorbacks two seasons back.

Could be worth a shot, maybe even Hobba who wont be returning to the South Boomedragonsallstars.
In his limited minutes i thought he did a decent job. Stats wise he put up 15&10 per 48mins

[Stanley]

Hawks hope to sign Isaiah Victor within the next week or so.

The other option for the 2nd import spot is Josh Pace, a teammate of Carmelo Anthony on Syracuse NCAA championship team on 2003 as a sophomore averaging 8 & 4. He was also CBA MVP and leading scorer last season.

Mercury story (http://illawarra.yourguide.com.au/news/local/sport/afl/victor-on-verge-of-joining-hawks/775456.aspx)

Pace is a G/F, point-forward type player.

He's also been recently invited to attend the Golden State Warriors training camp early next month.

From the Mercury:
"There's a few (Australian-born) people I'm really, really high on and I'm putting them through tests to make sure they're up to it," he said.

"The two guys (import candidates) I'm talking to play different positions and that could ultimately have an impact on which way to go with the other (Australian) guys.

[Cram]

I quite liked the look of Pace from what I saw in that NCAA title campaign (and a few games the following season). He seems to have a great knack for getting into the key, without really having to extend himself or blow by people, he just gets there. I think, from memory, he's not that big (maybe 6'4-6'5) so will be a small, small forward, but I think he'd be a good addition. Victor wouldnt be a bad option either.

[AngusH]

Good to see Victor possibly playing another year here, even if it's in a different uniform. Interested to see what he can do is a bigger focal point in the offense - given what we saw towards the end of last season, I'd say the answer to that is 'plenty'.

[anonymouse]

Victor could be good, but i wanna know more about this Pace fellow. Anyone have a link to any clips of him or somehting like that? Is he a good defender?

[isaac]

Played in the NZ NBL and Adelaide tried to get him last season before getting Hodge. Have never seen him play, but going by descriptions, seems to be a bit like a smallish SF version of Rosell Ellis (who is a smallish PF as it is).

[slingersfan]

Pace played over here in NZ. Very good player but don't know if he is the right fit for the Hawks because he's more of a 2 guard and the hawks already have LT and Vossy. IMO if they can get Victor he will be a really good signing from them.

Pace would be good in the NBL though! Guard who boards hard and can drop dimes

[Stanley]

Could he play a Point-Forward role?

[Quahog]

A very dark day for the NBL and two teams.

Chucks naievity of the salary cap has nearly killed the league. Wollongong who have never been able to pay UPTO the salary cap are now looking to be the savviest team in the league.

Question....with the Kings and Bullets folding which team has spots left and can fit players under the team count?

Answer: The Hawks

Heard strong rumours of Cooks getting calls from EVERYBODY!!!

I think our 3 man prayers have been answered people.

Take a leaf out of the Cooks Book team's - recruit a team to a budget

[Stanley]

I hope only voice messages were left, Kings & Bullets players are not free agents and can't be spoken to.

Hard for the likes of Rigby, Vanderjact who signed a contract with one set of 'owners' who may not have been owners, and now stories their contracts might not honored?

The quicker this situation is resolved the better.

[viper]

If the Kings fold, looks like Sav would be keen for a return to the Hawks!

http://illawarra.yourguide.com.au/news/ ... 78899.aspx (http://illawarra.yourguide.com.au/news/local/sport/basketball/saville-eyes-spot-in-his-old-home/778899.aspx)

[kc4mvp]

Only if he'd play for 1/3 of his salary

[yuma]

Well he is going to have to if the Kings fold

[kc4mvp]

Major article in Illawarra Mercury

http://illawarra.yourguide.com.au/news/ ... 79691.aspx (http://illawarra.yourguide.com.au/news/local/sport/basketball/saville-sounded-out-for-return/779691.aspx)

Seems to be building interest if the kings do fold.

Whats everyone else think?

[fan since the old snakepit]

Sav, Import 4/5, Steven Weigh, BJ Carter.

1 Kavossy /Tait/Carter
2 Matty C / Kavossy/ Sav/Carter
3 Sav/ Weigh/ Jacko
4 Import ( Victor or better) / Davo/ Sav
5 Trags/ Davo/Import

Deep at every position . Can play big or small.

Only problem is that we would not be able to pay Sav the amount that he would want. If we did we probably couldn't afford an import. Maybe we could try for a low budget import from SEABL as the Pigs have done.

[angry ant]

"I like the look of our team already with the guys we've got, and if we can add Sav and (Isiah) Victor, or Sav and someone like (Kings centres Russell) Hinder or (Ian) Crosswhite, we're a definite title contender."

[Gong4life]

I think we could have three spots filled:
Dontaye Drapper (Back up 1 for Kavossy)
Glen Saville (Starting 3)
Neil Mottram (Back up 4 for Larry)

All we need is a back 5 man for Cam and a back up 2 man for Matty.

:shock: :lol: :D

[Stanley]

I'd say the odds of signing Draper are about 0%

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

I'd say the odds of signing Draper are about 0%

is there any number lower than 0%

because that is our chances

[anonymouse]

I'd have to agree 100% with everything Matty had to say in that article, about the other teams in the league and about the Hawks.

Getting Sav back with this current team immediately solves our problem at the 3 spot. An import big like Isiah or someone else who wants to play here for a reasonable sum, and another backup aussie big who will come cheap, and we have a team that was probably being projected to finish 6 or 7 being catapulted into the top 3.

A starting lineup of:

Kavossy
Campbell
Saville
(Import)
Tragardh

looks damn fine.

If we can get an import 4 and a leftover big or two, then I would go as far as saying that it would be the best team we have had (on paper) since the championship year.

P.S. If there are any Kings supporters perusing the thread who arent bitter bastards, if you arent cool with supporting the Pigs, you are quite welcome to swap allegiances to the Hawks for a year. Theres plenty of parking nearby to the WEC that doesnt cost an arm and a leg, if at all. Tshirts, singlets and other merchandise are available inside the doors.

[Daevo]

.....but is there anywhere in the 'gong to go for a porking & ducking after the game? No, I didn't think so :(

[anonymouse]

Number 29
Kenny St Wollongong NSW 2500
ph: (02) 4229 4949

Short stroll away

as for the Ducking, I guess you could do a runner without paying?

[gangsta boo]

I already put up 50 bucks to save the Hawks so I WON'T be buying any Hawks merchandise thank you very much - though I would catch a game or two to see K, Sav and Rusty in action



RIP Sydney Basketball :cry:

[Daevo]

Number 29
Kenny St Wollongong NSW 2500
ph: (02) 4229 4949

Short stroll away
Not exactly a short stroll but yes, I know the joint..... not as well as you obviously :P :wink:

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

do we need another Import if we get Sav back...ant potentially Hinder/Crosswhite?

We did better last year with 1 import. I say spend that money on the guys screwed by the Kings. We know that when Sav is a goto guy, he'll give us more than most imports, and Hinder would start over Larry D. Cam and Hinder would be a decent starting front court. With Sav/Matty C/Kav/Tait rotating in the other spots. You have Larry D behind the other guys, Jacko and Rhys filling in the YAP roles

It's gonna be ok folks...but I say stuff getting anoter import

[Lord Strone]

Number 29
Kenny St Wollongong NSW 2500
ph: (02) 4229 4949

Short stroll away
Not exactly a short stroll but yes, I know the joint..... not as well as you obviously :P :wink:


Ive heard good things about this place, apparently there seafood is the best in the gong!

[anonymouse]

I'm all for spending the import money on Sav and Crosswhite. We know what they can do for our team, I'd be happier with them than going with an unknown, particularly with Cookies track record so far.

[Lord Strone]

I'm all for spending the import money on Sav and Crosswhite. We know what they can do for our team, I'd be happier with them than going with an unknown, particularly with Cookies track record so far.


SAV!!

[Stanley]

http://www.hawks.com.au/site/_content/image/00119547-image.jpg

Channel 9's Domestic Blitz team were in town to surprise local Highlube Rollerhawk & Olympian Tristan Knowles and wife Jess with a home makeover.

http://www.hawks.com.au/default.aspx?s= ... y&id=75203 (http://www.hawks.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=75203)

[kc4mvp]

SAV so close - article


http://illawarra.yourguide.com.au/news/ ... 90371.aspx (http://illawarra.yourguide.com.au/news/local/sport/basketball/sav-signed-sealed-for-hawks-homecoming/790371.aspx)

[anonymouse]

what do you think theyll put on the table? a one year deal or a multi year contract? hes not getting any younger, im sure he'd want a bit of stability for the future after what happened at the kings.

[Skindog the Hawk]

what do you think theyll put on the table? a one year deal or a multi year contract? hes not getting any younger, im sure he'd want a bit of stability for the future after what happened at the kings.
I'd like to see Sav come in for a multi-year deal, however when you look at the fact that the Hawks were almost extinct this post-season and will be an interesting prospect next post-season, do you think he'd (or anyone else) be offered one?

I like the prospect of both Hinder and Petrie getting into Hawks' colours this year...that'd make for a quite competitive 10-man roster IMHO.

SD.

[Stanley]

Trigger signed a 3yr deal recently from memory

[shaker]

i think that is a really strong look for the hawks if they go with that reported line up in the paper. Looks like cooks has fallen on some lucky times. I just bloody wish that the pigs had not moved so fast on some of their signings. I suppose but who was to know this would all go down. Cooks has nearly got an all aussie line up like the pigs of old if he goes this way. Am i right in saying that the team could possibly resemble something like this

Franklin/Martyn
Campbell/tait
Sav/Jackson
Hinder/Petrie
Cam/Davidson

One thing is for sure is that you know that team would play bloody hard night in night out. Very versatile team. Franklin, cambell and tait is a nice up front and they can all interchange. While all four of their bigs could rotate at some stages playing small ball against some teams because all their bigs are quick and mobile. Also luxury of petrie swinging into three to cover any injuries or foul troubles then have a big mobile line up of something like franklin, sav, petrie, hinder and cam if they want to change it up. Not a championship favourite with all due respect but a bloody tough roster easily capable of making the playoffs.

[boz_novocastrian]

sav, tovey, carter and kendall declared free agents

http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=ne ... y&id=75216 (http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=75216)

i say by weeks end sav will be a hawk. kendall will be going to slingers or os i feel

[Stanley]

Big call Boz

[Gong4life]

He's backkkk!
:D

[gangsta boo]

i say by weeks end sav will be a hawk

dude you had some good info on that one

[boz_novocastrian]

gb, just the vibe i got when i chatted to sav after the grand final series when i got the jersey signed by sav and u could tell he was not happy with what has now come to light over the late fees

http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=ne ... y&id=75231 (http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=75231)

[Stanley]

gb, just the vibe i got when i chatted to sav after the grand final series when i got the jersey signed by sav and u could tell he was not happy with what has now come to light over the late fees

http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=ne ... y&id=75231 (http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=75231)

boz, sav would have still been a King if they didnt fold, despite the 'vibe' you got.

[boz_novocastrian]

well it was the same vibe a lot of us fans got when goorj did the post game 5 stuff that he was done.

i think what or whoever owns the reclaimed kings licence is that they take 12 months off to get a financially viable bid and return for 09-10 season same with the bullets.

question though is if bullets fold, we are down to 11 teams, i think the nbl should cut back to top 6 for playoffs and then

1 v 6
2 v 5
3 v 4

best of three

2 top losses get a second chance in the semi final stage and the two losers out

[meg]

So how many points is Sav worth now, as surely the "loyalty" points no longer apply?

[Stanley]

So how many points is Sav worth now, as surely the "loyalty" points no longer apply?

curious probably knows, ill have to ask him. :wink:

[curious]

I can tell you but I won't.

[meg]

Thanks for that, boys.

[Stumps]

Funnily enough, I believe he will be only 5 for the next two years. Hilariously, Sav is transferring the loyalty he originally transferred from Wollongong to Sydney back to Wollongong again (but only temporarily).

Should an NBL Club default their license, have their license revoked by the NBL and or go into liquidation and not be able to compete in the NBL, those players who have registered multiyear contracts with the clubs no longer able to play in the NBL will be able to “transfer” their point rankings and maintain their continuity of loyalty to a new club for the duration of their existing contract, provided they sign with a new club prior to the commencement of the following NBL season.

Once that contract has reached its initial termination date, then the player will be ranked as per normal, and his new loyalty period will commence with the new club at the date when he signed with the new club.

This provision could make a few Kings pretty good value for the coming season.

[meg]

He's loyal to the state, I guess.
Thanks, Stumps.

[Poida]

Ah fuck the rule. Let them have him for ZERO points. The league is gonna be dead soon anyway :)

[angry ant]

Hawks roster from players they've signed (according to nbl.com)

Kavossy Franklin/Jeremy Kench
Mat Campbell/Lindsay Tait
Glen Saville/Daniel Jackson
Cameron Tragardh/Taylor Goodall
Larry Davidson

[Stanley]

Hawks roster from players they've signed (according to nbl.com)

Kavossy Franklin/Jeremy Kench
Mat Campbell/Lindsay Tait
Glen Saville/Daniel Jackson
Cameron Tragardh/Taylor Goodall
Larry Davidson

Kench hasn't resigned, neither has Talor Goodall AFAIK.
Rhys Martin has replaced Kench.

[Stanley]

Season membership packages are now available:
hawks.com.au (http://www.hawks.com.au)

[anonymouse]

Anyone know the roster and who we're playing on friday at the snakepit?

[Stanley]

Anyone know the roster and who we're playing on friday at the snakepit?

Seahawks with Soup and Larry... against UNLV

http://hawks.com.au/site/_content/image/00119622-image.jpg

Details (http://hawks.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=75284)

[Stanley]

Anthony Petrie will also be playing in this game for the Seahawks.

[lukus13]

Does that suggest that Petrie might be a hawk this season?

Tait/Martin
Kavossy/Campbell
Sav/Jackson
Import/Petrie
Tragardh/Davidson

That's a very talented squad right there....

[shaker]

i would say there is no suggesting, i would say petrie is def going to be a hawk. He wanted brisbane cos it was close to home where he is originally from but that all fell through. Wollongong is extremely close to canberra where his family is at the moment. I don't think cooks is the type of person to trial a player in this situation. Not his go. This is a very solid and undercover signing if this comes good. We all know i am a fan but it gives them a real different look as a team now. 6'8 athlete with unbelievable natural talent and all round game. Are they going to sign an import or are they still trying to get hinder?? Still i reckon the pigs will get you this season haha. I hope we dont get spanked like we did last year every time we played you. I dont think i can sit near your passionate fans again in the stands and go through it.

[fan since the old snakepit]

Does that suggest that Petrie might be a hawk this season?

Tait/Martin
Kavossy/Campbell
Sav/Jackson
Import/Petrie
Tragardh/Davidson

That's a very talented squad right there....

And believe it or not, one that is within the cap. In saying that the import will be a low budget type. We got Ballinger for SFA in his first contract. One can only dream that we can get someone of that calliber for next to nothing again. A 4 man with an inside outside game is what we need to ballance out the team. Any SEABL or ABA imports that fit the role. Ones that may be looking for an oportunity.
Did not think he was what we needed before we got Sav, but all we want now is a role playing import and if Brisbane fold ( hope they dont ) Dusty would look good in red and white.

8 deep & flexible with some young talent in the 9,10 spots. Can play big or small.

Tait/Kavossy/Martin
Kavossy/Campbell/Sav/Jackson
Sav/Petrie/Campbell/Jackson
Rychart/Petrie/Davidson/Sav
Tragardh/Davidson/Rychart

[anonymouse]

Watching Tait with the All Blacks now, I really think he should be our starting PG. Pity there is just really no room, as it would mean Matty would be starting on the bench and I don't think that is a good move either.

[Stanley]

Yeah, great showing from Lindsay.

Promising signs for Hawks.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Don't mean to be a cock to the Kings or Bullets fans, but its nice to see the Hawks go out there with a competitive roster again so soon after their recent financial woes.

Hopefully the other two teams can bounce back as well.

[kc4mvp]

We are now the the last Original NBL Team standing.
Lets keep the support comming.

[Daevo]

We are now the the last Original NBL Team standing.
Technically, I don't recall a "Wollongong" Hawks being there at the start :wink:

[Stanley]

Bring back
http://hawks.com.au/site/_content/photogalleryitem/00100400-Photo.jpg
The old Illa - warra!! chant was a little easier than anything wollongong!!

[kc4mvp]

Bring back
http://hawks.com.au/site/_content/photogalleryitem/00100400-Photo.jpg
The old Illa - warra!! chant was a little easier than anything wollongong!!


We love you cos your from Illawarra?

[Stanley]

We love you cause your from Wollongong is up there with Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi Oi Oi for woefullness.

[SteelPants48]

Local news last night said that the Hawks were in talks with Dusty Rychart and some low cost US based players.

I wouldnt mind seeing Dusty suit up for the Hawks, he doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective on offense and that would suit well with Franklin and Sav.

[edan]

As soon as Brisbane officially folded, I assumed Dusty would move to the top of the list. He'd be a good signing if the Hawks can fit him under budget.

[fan since the old snakepit]

If he wants to play this season he has to fit the budget as the Hawks will not spend what they cant afford. As there are few other options open for Dusty the Hawks are in a pretty strong position to sign him I assume. May be the strongest team that has been legally assembled since the cap was reduced some years ago. Shows what can be achieved and how market forces will dictate what players can earn. If all teams stuck to the cap then salaries would fall into line with what the NBL can afford and this whole thing may actually be viable again.

[anonymouse]

If he wants to play this season he has to fit the budget as the Hawks will not spend what they cant afford. As there are few other options open for Dusty the Hawks are in a pretty strong position to sign him I assume. May be the strongest team that has been legally assembled since the cap was reduced some years ago. Shows what can be achieved and how market forces will dictate what players can earn. If all teams stuck to the cap then salaries would fall into line with what the NBL can afford and this whole thing may actually be viable again.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/b/b6/100px-Scruffy_(Futurama).JPG

Second.

[Gong4life]

I think it may time to lodge a serious apllication to get our name changed back to the foundation name as we are now the only team of the orignals left!

And to Stanley, come and watch the rep games and listen to the spectating teams chant Illa...warra followed by 5 claps. :mrgreen:

[3point]

dusty will play at the gong, deal is done

[angry ant]

dusty will play at the gong, deal is done
How do you know?

[Stanley]

If so, i'm liking the look on paper. Deep enough and quite versatile.

1: Kavossy / Tait /Martin
2: Campbell / Kavossy / Tait
3: Saville / Jackson / Petrie / Campbell
4: Tragardh / Rychart / Petrie / Davidson / Saville
5: Davidson / Rychart / Tragardh

[fan since the old snakepit]

Best Hawks lineup since the championship year. May even be almost as good (except Sav & Matty are older) but the competition is a lot tougher.
Couple of points.

This lineup puts lots of pressure on Cookie to get results. Needs to finish at least top six to be deemed successful.

Tait has to start in the 1 after his performances for the Tall Blacks. Lets Kavossy play his natural game.

If we go to a top six playoffs we have to finish ahead of 5 teams. Think we have Slingers, Pigs, Blaze covered. In a battle with Crocs, Snakes, 36ers (if they dont get Hodge back) for two spots if the other 4 (Tigers, Wildcats, Breakers, Dragons) perform to their potential.

[kc4mvp]

If true this looks good
1: Tait /Martin
2: Kavossy /Campbell
3: Saville / Jackson / Petrie
4:/ Rychart / Petrie / Davidson / Saville
5: Tragardh /Davidson / Rychart

Many different looks

[anonymouse]

dusty will play at the gong, deal is done

sauce?

[Stanley]

Hawks will be getting some exposure on Channel 9 / WIN's "Domestic Bliss" tonight - 6:30pm

[swampdog]

Hawks fans will be stoked to hear Trigger posted what has to be record figures in a QABL game last night
67 pts @ 75% (30/40) and 7/12 ft's
26 rebs and 11 assists

[angry ant]

Hawks fans will be stoked to hear Trigger posted what has to be record figures in a QABL game last night
67 pts @ 75% (30/40) and 7/12 ft's
26 rebs and 11 assists
:shock: :shock: :shock:

[Jojo]

Hawks fans will be stoked to hear Trigger posted what has to be record figures in a QABL game last night
67 pts @ 75% (30/40) and 7/12 ft's
26 rebs and 11 assists

I was at the game & Trigger was sensational.

[DoubleA]

Hawks fans will be stoked to hear Trigger posted what has to be record figures in a QABL game last night
67 pts @ 75% (30/40) and 7/12 ft's
26 rebs and 11 assists

I was at the game & Trigger was sensational.

http://judyonthenet.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/nowai.jpg

[devils]

Hawks will be getting some exposure on Channel 9 / WIN's "Domestic Bliss" tonight - 6:30pm

I didn't see it, but my partner did. Said Kavossy Franklin from the "Illawarra hawkes" made an apperance on the show, the guy on the show is a big hawkes fan and Kavossy is his favorite player, he turned up, met him and gave him a signed basketball I think.

Good little bit of publicity.

[Stanley]

Hawks will be getting some exposure on Channel 9 / WIN's "Domestic Bliss" tonight - 6:30pm

I didn't see it, but my partner did. Said Kavossy Franklin from the "Illawarra hawkes" made an apperance on the show, the guy on the show is a big hawkes fan and Kavossy is his favorite player, he turned up, met him and gave him a signed basketball I think.

Good little bit of publicity.

Umm, not quite.
It was Eric Cooks & Kevin Brooks.

The house reno was for Tristan Knowles, who plays for the RollerHawks and the Australian Wheelchair team.

Cooks and KB were there to 'test' the court that was built in the backyard.

But, yeah it was a good bit of publicity.

[hawks]

What is the latest on the Dusty coming to wollongong it has been a while since have hearld or read anything about it

[angry ant]

ahm Hawks & Bunnings helping sick kids smile

The Wollongong ahm Hawks and Bunnings Warehouse Shellharbour have teamed up these school holidays and will be making an appearance at the Wollongong Hospital Children's Ward to bring a smile to a few faces.

Bunnings Warehouse Shellharbour donated over thirty basketballs that were signed and handed out to the children at Wollongong Hospital by Wollongong ahm Hawks players.

"Spending any time in hospital is not fun, let alone school holidays when all your friends are out doing fun things. It is great to know that we can brighten a kids day just by spending some time with them." Wollongong Hawks Captain Mat Campbell said.

Last year Bunnings Warehouse Team Members visited Shellharbour Hospital to conduct craft classes for the children during the school holidays. They were so successful the Hospital invited Bunnings Warehouse Shellharbour to conduct future school holiday activities.

“We are committed to contributing to the communities in which we operate and through providing the children with fun activities, while meeting some of their sporting heroes would brighten their day and let them forget about their illness,” said Steve Ballard, Bunnings Warehouse Shellharbour Complex Manager.

Bunnings Activities Coordinator Ana Macedo will hand out bears, tennis balls, mini footballs and toy trucks to ensure everyone receives a gift.

The ahm Hawks are keen to get out and about in the community this year and support the community that has supported them.

With a near complete roster for the upcoming season already signed, the ahm Hawks are in full swing hitting the training court in preparation for their season.

"We work very hard to be prepared to playin the NBL and it is great to be able to inspire children and adults alike to work hard and achieve, but it is so inspiring for us to see some of these kids put 110% effort into recovery, they can certainly teach us a thing or two about determination" Mat concluded.


http://www.hawks.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=75468

http://www.hawks.com.au/site/_content/image/00119792-image.jpg

[anonymouse]

aww :)

get well soon kids

and come to some games with your parents!

bring friends..

[anonymouse]

So whats the general consensus with Hawks fans (or anyone else). Do we start Matty and bench Tait, or visa versa?

I would like to see Tait get a run at starting point from the get go, with Matty sitting for the time being. When you think about it, we have one of the best permiter defense teams out there, Tait seems capable + Kavossy, Matty and Sav.

[kc4mvp]

I think the starting 5 should be
Tait in 1
Franklin in 2
Sav in 3
Dusty in 4
Trags in 5

Matty should be Best 6 man off the bench, and play for another 5 years

[the fox]

So whats the general consensus with Hawks fans (or anyone else). Do we start Matty and bench Tait, or visa versa?

I would like to see Tait get a run at starting point from the get go, with Matty sitting for the time being. When you think about it, we have one of the best permiter defense teams out there, Tait seems capable + Kavossy, Matty and Sav.

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The Hawks have the best defenders in the league. Other teams (old Kings, Melbourne) have some complicated strategies which basically involved lots of (illegal) holding and bumping, double teaming and the like which is not the same thing.

They have significantly ramped up their scoring ability. We know that Tregardh with his multitude of moves is a flat out scorer (67 points anyone), as is Franklin. Rys Martin (2 years in college at NSU Forte Lauderdale and former captain of the under 20's Australian team) is an excellent scorer and outside shooter. Tait has shown in the NZ games that he can score, often appearing near the top of the scoresheet. Dusty Rychart gives reliability and calmness, the ability to score under pressure. Add the old scoring team of Sav and Campbell and you feel there is real depth there.

[Barnaby]

So whats the general consensus with Hawks fans (or anyone else). Do we start Matty and bench Tait, or visa versa?

I would like to see Tait get a run at starting point from the get go, with Matty sitting for the time being. When you think about it, we have one of the best permiter defense teams out there, Tait seems capable + Kavossy, Matty and Sav.

I see the team starting with Kavossy, Matty C and Sav with Dusty and Trigger, to start off with anyway.

Cookie has put together the team so that he has the versatility to put the best team on the floor depending on the match ups. the only certain starters IMO every night would be Trigger, K and Sav...

[Gong4life]

I am really looking forward to the start of the season.
With the team we have, I am glad I retained my close court seats!
Now, all we need is Macca back.......................
Cheers.

[kc4mvp]

So am I Gong So am I

When are the training do you know?

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

I am bummed I didn't end up getting seats, but now I am getting married so who knows if I'll ever have money again...

It's a great team. I am hopeful I'll be able to gain some media accred this season with the mail...that'd be awesome.

Go Hakws!

[Poida]

but now I am getting married

Commiserations mate.

[the fox]

I am bummed I didn't end up getting seats, but now I am getting married so who knows if I'll ever have money again...

It's a great team. I am hopeful I'll be able to gain some media accred this season with the mail...that'd be awesome.

Go Hakws!

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Really Bad Bass Player,

Sorry to hear of matrimonial finances. Do you need a lift up from Nowra for home games?

[Julian]

Tell her to get a second job.

[viper]

but now I am getting married

Go Hakws!

so you arrn't married yet? there is still time to bail out!!? :wink:

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

hahahaha, thanks for all the encouragement :lol:

I am sure I will still be at plenty of Hawks matches, the girl loves the game now days!!

[the fox]

hahahaha, thanks for all the encouragement :lol:

I am sure I will still be at plenty of Hawks matches, the girl loves the game now days!!

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Really Bad Bass Player,

Just say if you need a lift up from Nowra for home games.

[Gong4life]

kc4mvp,

I usually train on Friday nights. Do you play basketball?
I can see us going places this year. I'm also looking forward to the Opals game on Monday!

[kc4mvp]

Yes the Opals, should be great.

Use to play but not that great.

The Hawks team, is the best we have had in my thinking.

Just a pitty the other teams have also improved since 2001.

Top 6 six would be what we will achive if not top 4.

There is no arth in picking this years top 6 it going to be very competitive.

[kc4mvp]

Thank you for Fans Of The Hawks saving the Club

There would now only be 9 in the nbl.

"
and the little one said roll over , roll over


So they all rolled over and
AHHHHH!!!! and another one fell"

[SteelPants48]

It was interesting to read that the Uni of Wollongong has bought the old Kings floor and rings.

I hear their new stadium will be up and running for the season after next.

Hopefully this adds to the financial viability of the Hawks!!

[anonymouse]

using the uni stadium would be cheaper than WIN ent. cent. right? i hear they charge an arm and a leg.

how many people does the uni stadium hold in comparison though? it would be good if they got a good following from the uni crowd, they could have group ticket deals or some such to attract that crowd. and i guess they could still have playoff games/finals at WIN if it seats more.

i remember back in the snake pit days they used to get a few uni students going due to its proximity. this would be even better.

[Daevo]

i remember back in the snake pit days they used to get a few uni students going due to its proximity. this would be even better.
That was because I lived practically next door....although it was a struggle making it past the tennis club :wink: :lol:

[Stanley]

The new UOW Stadium started a month or so back. I walked pass this afternoon and there was a fair bit of work happening, it's a big hole in the ground at present.

From the initial release, it's going to be a 3,000 seat stadium (about 400 less than the Hawks average home crowd from last season) but i do recall also hearing it may have been pushed up to 3,500.

It was due to be opened earlier this year, but the start date was pushed back nearly a year.
http://media.uow.edu.au/news/2007/0308a/index.html

In terms of Hawks going there, i think it'd be great even moreso if the NBL season overlapped with Uni sessions, ie winter when there is a larger student population. Summer Session is growing though.

There's a bar close by & plenty of parking for a 3000 seat stadium within a couple of hundred metres - just not enough for 20,000 students.

Walking around UOW during breaks i see a huge number of students with NBA gear, wearing the latest retro jordans, adidas NBA team shoes (http://www.jungle-life.com/item/1141). Plenty of students hit the courts during breaks. Weekends has several big games of pickup.

I've long thought it should be a market Hawks should tap into, last year they provided a free bus from the UniBar to Hawks games with a cheap ticket.

I'm not sure if it'd turn regular fans off, but IF they did happen to move there they could almost promote the Hawks as a team representing UOW and try and get some the the College sport enthusiasm/atmosphere that most of the American students seem to have.

A small stadium seems to have worked for Tigers (a stadium that is rarely full), who supposedly make a handsome profit despite their All-Star lineup so maybe it's something Hawks could consider.

But it would mean losing a couple of hundred fans each game, but then again it creates a demand for tickets.

I also like the idea because my office is 100 metres away.

[fan since the old snakepit]

I have always liked the idea and as a long term fan would hapily go to the Uni for games. The atmosphere in a half full Sandpit is lacking a bit and a packed house at the (insert catchy name here) Dome would be great. Hawks might be able to make some $$ from the food and drink sales as well.( hell maybe they can actually provide something remotely palatable) Helps to sell season tickets when people know that they are not guaranteed a casual walk up seat. I would think that the new venue would be a sell out every game and most of those will be season tickets with a section saved for Uni students and walk ups.

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

how about "The Classroom"???

I hope that if they do move to UOW, the stadium is 3,500. That extra space could really make a huge difference. I must say, I find the Ent. Centre a bit disapointing now days. It was great, but now they seem to be all about profit, and not about providing any sor of community service. I remember earlier this year the Hawks ABA team played ACT U/20s, and the Director of the WEC was very upset that there was any sort of game there.

Ages ago the Boomers played Russia at the WEC, and the Illawarra YL team had a game the same night. As a no brainer, the YL game was moved to the WEC as a warm-up match. Was so great.

We need more community basketball at Hawks games, it really works at getting bums on seats...

[paul]

That would be a great move for the Hawks, especially if they play select games at the WEC. The Tigers sell out about half their games, which would rate them second in the league behind Perth, even though they were 8th in attendance with 3200 a game last year.

[Daevo]

how about "The Classroom"???
I think the UOW sports teams are known as "The Books" are they....how aout BookDome or more in keeping with the Hawks history, BookPit? :lol:

[Lethal Vertical]

"The Classroom- Where the Hawks take you to school"

[Stanley]

I'm the bus driver.....

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

how many UOW students actually play for UOW clubs...I'm only going off Hockey and the Shoalhaven Campus teams.... but I was the only UOW student on the Shoalhaven Touch team, and the UOW Hockey team seemed like 12 year olds and their grandpas...

I don't know about bookpit, but the idea it comes from is great...

[anonymouse]

http://www.austvhistory.com/shows/thebookplace.jpg

[angry ant]

What does this mean, it was an article about how the Hawks training is going, then suddenly said this,

Quinn, a former state player, attends Illawarra Sports High and has returned to basketball after an 18-month break.


"Quinny's had nearly two years off and gone through a bit of hardship, but he's come back and he's definitely working hard," Cooks said.


"He's a talented player, he's got good court vision and reads the game well. He's hungry and he seems like he wants to make the sacrifice needed to be in this league.


"The other day he had eight suicides (sprints) that all had to be under 30 (seconds) and he got every one.


"Even when he was playing under 16s and under 18s, I don't think he was capable


http://illawarra.yourguide.com.au/news/local/sport/basketball/wollongong-hawks-likely-to-juggle-bench/1237233.aspx

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

What does this mean, it was an article about how the Hawks training is going, then suddenly said this,

Quinn, a former state player, attends Illawarra Sports High and has returned to basketball after an 18-month break.


"Quinny's had nearly two years off and gone through a bit of hardship, but he's come back and he's definitely working hard," Cooks said.


"He's a talented player, he's got good court vision and reads the game well. He's hungry and he seems like he wants to make the sacrifice needed to be in this league.


"The other day he had eight suicides (sprints) that all had to be under 30 (seconds) and he got every one.


"Even when he was playing under 16s and under 18s, I don't think he was capable


http://illawarra.yourguide.com.au/news/local/sport/basketball/wollongong-hawks-likely-to-juggle-bench/1237233.aspx

Possibly they were talking about this part, in the second paragraphThe Hawks resumed pre-season training yesterday at the Snakepit, unveiling former Illawarra junior representative James Quinn as their official development player for next season.

[Stanley]

The start of the article explains it:

The Hawks resumed pre-season training yesterday at the Snakepit, unveiling former Illawarra junior representative James Quinn as their official development player for next season.

[kc4mvp]

First pre season game , should be good , everyone there bar SAV
Sorry edit ex Rhys and Dusty also

NBL action returns to the Snakepit when the Wollongong ahm Hawks take on the Sydney Spirit,

Saturday August 16
Wollongong Hawks vs Sydney Spirit
(Where: The Snakepit - Beaton Park)
Tip off 7.00pm
It's the Pre-Seaon Game of the Season to be held at the Snakepit, Beaton Park.

Come out and support the new 08/09 team.

Doors open at 6.30pm with a 7pm tip off.
The bar will be open as well, so you can enjoy a few cold beverages.

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

Who is going? The Missus is even coming up from Nowra, so we'll have a chance to fully convert her to Wollongong fan...

[Stanley]

Ill be in Beijing hopefully celebrating a Boomers win whilst this game is on.

If someone does a recap of the game, it maybe asked to be contributed to the hawks website.

[kc4mvp]

Whos in both of the line ups
Ours should be
Tait
Franklin
Campbel
Petrie
Trags
Jakson
Quinn
Davidson


with
Dusty and Rhys in QLD
Sav in China

[kc4mvp]

This fridays game against the Spirit, is Dusty playing?

[anonymouse]

What position does Quinn play?

[moonshadow]

What position does Quinn play?

medicine woman?

sorry bored out of my brain writing an ethics essay

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

What position does Quinn play?

they are saying F/G but he is really a pure 2 man. Was a bit keen to get his shot off against the Spirit. Honestly, I was a bit surprised they picked him to be sure

[anonymouse]

i was hoping for pg/sg combo

[kc4mvp]

The Hawks play the Blaze next when is it on

[Stanley]

Tonight (GC) and Tomorrow (Rockhampton)

http://www.blazegc.com.au/default.aspx? ... y&id=75845 (http://www.blazegc.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=75845)

[viper]

What position does Quinn play?

they are saying F/G but he is really a pure 2 man. Was a bit keen to get his shot off against the Spirit. Honestly, I was a bit surprised they picked him to be sure

from what ive seen of him he is an great shooter who has excellent passing skills and a great knowledge of the game. A bit slow at times but tough as nails. is the type of player that even if he missed every shot all game, when it came down to the wire, you'd want the ball in his hands.

will be interesting to see if he can take the next step into the NBL.

[kc4mvp]

IS there anyone who knows how to get astream from the NZ channel on the computer.

Hawks play NZ this thursday and I guess it will be on Moari TV???

[Teve0]

IS there anyone who knows how to get astream from the NZ channel on the computer.

Hawks play NZ this thursday and I guess it will be on Moari TV???

It doesnt seem that moari tv stream from their website..

Someone over there could chuck it up on justin.tv!!

coverage is from 6pm thurs aest.

[paul]

Nothing on this in world, but probn not worth a new NBL threat, but Dave Andersen has had 15 points as Barcelona narrowly lost to the LA Clippers despite the game being played by NBA rules, and the Clips getting 28 more free throws!!

http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/36447/180/item

This was less than 24 hours after going down to the Lakers 108-104. Bryant and Navarro had blinders and Barca shot 15-35 from the NBA three point line, showing that the new line prob wont be an advantage to the USA in FIBA competitions.

http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/36400/ ... -barcelona (http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/36400/180/eb-american-tour-la-lakers-108-104-regal-fc-barcelona)

Barca's 27 turnovers was the difference in the game. Cant see a boxscore to see how Ando went in this game.

After a shocker in their first game against Orlando, CSKA Moscow - who have lost some key players from last year and lost Smodis, there best player after two mites to an ankle injury - narrowly lost to Toronto, 86-78.

http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/36262/ ... in-toronto (http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/36262/180/cska-falls-near-finish-in-toronto)

Very impressed by the two Euro team's competitiveness whilst playing NBA rules.