36ers Off-Season Thread 08/09

[sixers33]

Adelaide are currently negotiating with Julius Hodge and Adam Ballinger.
On the coaching front, Smyth is yet to apply (hasn't decided yet) and Ninnis has applied (rumoured to have already been interviewed) as has Ken Cole and Mark Davis.

[The Minx]

This is a very important off-season for the sixers. While this was a disappointing season, there are some real things to build on which could turn the team into a contender next year. A bad off season however will result in the team missing the playoffs and more disgruntled fans.

Firstly, everything has to be done to retain Ballinger and Hodge. These guys were both in the top 3 imports in the league this season and were what was bringing the fans through the gates. The fact Ballinger will naturalize next year makes his signing all the more important as it adds versatility to our possible lineup.

Davidson and Maher are both signed, however the plan should be to only play Maher for 30 mins a game max and preferably bring him off the bench. Ballinger naturalizing should allow the signing of an import 2-guard. Kavossy Franklin would be a great fit but it looks like he is signed with the Hawks so we should go after another import 2 guard who can play D and shoot the rock. This would help to reduce the stress on Maher's body and allow him to contribute for another season.

I would like to see Cooper, Ng and Mottram also retained. All had decent seasons, especially Darren and he is a more than serviceable shooter off the bench and could start if required. It would be nice if he could be convinced to put off med-school for a bit longer. Cooper is a great shot blocker and Mottram is all hustle. If one of these guys had to go due to points or salary restrictions, it would probably be Motts.

I would like to see us go hard after Jacob Holmes. He can't be too happy with losing so much at the dragons and maybe throw the captaincy into the equation as further enticement. I'm not sure whether he is signed with the dragons for next season (I thought he originally signed a 2 year deal?) - maybe someone can help here.

I'm happy with Dodman or Burdon as 10th man - preferably Dodman if there is no-one better out of college or in the ABA. Dench, Sutton and Copes all have to go.

So that gives a team of:

Ballinger
Holmes
Hodge
Import SG
Davidson

Maher
Ng
Mottram
Cooper
Dodman/Burdon

I think that team is a real contender and has enough defence and offense to get it done. It can play big or small and so should be able to run with most teams in the league. If we can't get Holmes, I would like to see Aaron Grabau targeted to add some more defense. Ditto if Ng decides to leave. My preference for coach would be Ninnis and I hope a decision is made quickly on this front so it is easier to sign players.

[grindog]

I dont think Holmes is going anywhere myself.

Here is the team I would like to see us obtain...

Schenscher 10
Ballinger (naturalised) 10
Hodge 10
Ng 5
Helms 9

Cooper 7
Dodman 1
Tovey 5
Maher 5
Davidson 6

Burdon and a Small Forward type player on Development.

That fits right on the current points cap.

[LegoSHAQ]

On the coaching front, Smyth is yet to apply (hasn't decided yet) and Ninnis has applied (rumoured to have already been interviewed) as has Ken Cole and Mark Davis.
If that is true I would love to see Ken Cole come back to the league.. :D I also think it would be great to give Ninnis a shot.. either of those two options.. get rid of Phil.. he is done..

[glockers]

I dont think Holmes is going anywhere myself.

Here is the team I would like to see us obtain...

Schenscher 10
Ballinger (naturalised) 10
Hodge 10
Ng 5
Helms 9

Cooper 7
Dodman 1
Tovey 5
Maher 5
Davidson 6

Burdon and a Small Forward type player on Development.

That fits right on the current points cap.

Helms is a horrible idea for Adelaide. The early poster also mentioned maher off the bench and at first I thought you guys must be insane. yet on second thought with an import guard and Davidson maybe that will work.

Oh and you won't get Tovey.

[Voice(s)]

Who gives a shit about Tovey?

[isaac]

Agree re Helms. Maher could start or come off the bench, but the general consensus is that reduced minutes could help him escape injuries and play on.

I think Tovey is often included (and I might've started it) in 36ers roster guesses as almost a placeholder for someone like him - young, scoring three, can play some defense, still suited to a bench role but would relish minutes. A bit like Rush in his first year out from the Cats (it's like Perth have a thing for throwing away project SFs?!).

Unfortunately, besides Tovey, there aren't too many options that would suit. Rush probably wouldn't return to a bench role in a 12-13 team league, Williamson likely eats cash for breakfast in Brisbane, Drew at the Crocs might not be at the right level yet, Forman would be overpriced for the role they'd have available, Holmes would want to start, Philip isn't quite there, Sheridan is too old, Grabau/Boodnikoff would be well paid in Cairns, Hill hasn't exactly stomped back from injury with the Dragons, Singapore don't really have any player that suits the role (though they would if we wanted a PF instead), etc.

[Silencer83]

A bit like Rush in his first year out from the Cats (it's like Perth have a thing for throwing away project SFs?!).



Wan't the problem that the Wildcats had three project 3's at once? :lol: :D

Rush and Tovey left after the same season I believe. Rush because he felt that the 'Cats were focussing more on Dowdell and Tovey than himself and decided to seek opportunities elsewhere. Tovey jumped ship and theories abound as to why. That left the Wildcats with one project 3 (Dowdell). So we went from 3 to 1 in the space of a season :( Plus they lost Mastrovich the previous season.

[Voice(s)]

I've always liked Rush and as much as I'd love to have him on the team I agree in that I don't think we could get him. Not much point in moving to Adelaide to play on a team that is not much better than the one you're already on and to go from starting to a bench role.

[isaac]

I'm a Rush fan too (was great at the U20 Nationals alongside Burston for WA and I've followed his progress since). Rush is set to be a starting SF for a 6-13th team, or a bench SF on a bigger budget, built-for-a-championship side. I think Adelaide might be somewhere in between right now - couldn't lure him for a good price, and shouldn't overpay.

A possible target could be Petrie (also at the Pigs)?

Jason Reardon is playing this season in the Central ABL with North with a view to getting a trial with the 36ers too. Have never seen him play, but suspect he's a SG/SF version of Jason Williams at ABL level. Williams was big for a PG, but I think Reardon could be a little short for a SF. I guess we'll see how he goes. If Ng returns to study, Reardon might be competing with Burdon for that spot?

[Voice(s)]

Any basketball player that draws comparisons to Jason Williams should send alarm bells ringing. What about Nathan Hawkes is he still floating around? :wink:

[isaac]

Jason Williams at ABL level. He just never quite translated that ability and confidence to the NBL.

[sixers33]

Phil Smyth has reapplied.
Hodge and Ballinger are awaiting a coaching decision before officially re-signing.

[curious]

Phil Smyth has reapplied.
Hodge and Ballinger are awaiting a coaching decision before officially re-signing.
This is based on what?
According to Boti he hadn't yet applied. Applications closed today.

[alexdunk]

Most evening news services mentioned that Smyth has submitted his application for the coaching job and that Hodge and Ballinger are waiting until a coach is signed.

[curious]

Thanks for the uPdate.
Beveridge for mine. ;)

[sixers33]

Baldwin and Rob Beveridge have also applied

[Julian]

http://www.hoops.com.au/sa/i.cfm/forum/

[sixers33]

not quite, try reading The Advertiser :wink:

[paul]

Tab Baldwin would be a great selection, given that there are some very basketball-smart veterans on this team, ala his Tall BLacks line-ups. Tab's system also works very well for good jump shooting teams.

[isaac]

How do you think he'd go recruiting players?

Rumour is that a decision has been made and may be announced on Monday or Tuesday.

[DDFan]

They've done 150 interviews already? :shock:

[isaac]

150 or so applicants (likely a fair number of those from overseas). 10-15 interviews.

[Cussy]

Of those 150, only about a dozen or so were serious. The rest were just in it for the free muscle T.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Of those 150, only about a dozen or so were serious. The rest were just in it for the free muscle T.
I know I am...

[whupass]

Tab Baldwin would be a great selection, given that there are some very basketball-smart veterans on this team, ala his Tall BLacks line-ups. Tab's system also works very well for good jump shooting teams.

This guy is in the know..

[curious]

Apparently the decison has been made.
Seems a waste of time calling for applications if they had their mind made up already.

[isaac]

Applications closed on the 22nd. They started interviewing as the applications arrived. I didn't hear anything about a decision being made until after the 22nd. What's the problem?

[curious]

No problem if the decison hasn't already been made.

[Cussy]

So what is the decision then?

[curious]

Bevo.

[isaac]

No problem if the decison hasn't already been made.

Why is there a problem even if a decision has been made?

Applications had closed. A number of applicants have been interviewed. Pretty standard process?

[curious]

I wouldnt have thought so.
Not in that short period of time
Letters would normally be written advising all applicants that their submissions / Cv's have been accepted.
150+ is a LOT to do.
Draw uP a list to interviewand contact all selected and arronge times etc. No O/S applicants? I wouldnt want to be interviewed on a phone.
Who knows how many on that list 20 -30? Unsure.
How long an interview? 1/2 hr?, 1 hour? 10 - 15 hrs min. 20 -30 hrs max?
Draw up a shorter list and re interview and then draw up the last 2-3?
Final interviews. Then seriously debate final submissions?
Big call in such a rushed time.
Down to 2. At least Bevo and one other.
Someone has suggested to me Bevo already has a 3 year contract with 2 to go with the Razors. Not sure how he would even get out of that one.
I am only posting it as I was told.
I am only suggesting that if the process has taken place, its extremely quick. But of course they want to sign Ballinger etc. As does everyone else. Hope they get it right.

[isaac]

The majority of applicants would've been internationals that'd get a "thanks for your application" by email - easy. I used to get emailed the sort of stuff they would've received - real unknowns from the middle of nowhere with no relevant experience, etc.

They had received applications as early as the last home game and interviewed at least two people as of that week. Phone interviews, I'm sure, would've been conducted where that was the best option.

It's been a quick process because it needs to be. Applications were received. The best were interviewed. And if a decision has been made, it's come after the deadline for applications.

Fairly standard process, just accelerated. I fail to see a problem with that considering the circumstances.

[curious]

Sounds fine then.
Thanks.

[DDFan]

I picked up my muscle T this morning, & Phil's promised me his prized gorilla vest if he gets the gig.
There's a lot riding on this guys, I'll keep you posted.

[DICKO]

Yeah.....I wouldn't hold your breath.

[Thomo]

just on the news and 5aa , not that it will matter i dont think, but hodge has stated he will not play in the nbl unless its under phils coaching

[ash_24]

just on the news and 5aa , not that it will matter i dont think, but hodge has stated he will not play in the nbl unless its under phils coaching
No, he said he would definitely be in Adelaide if Phil is coach (provided he mises out on an NBA spot). He still may play here even without Phil.

[DDFan]

The news segment that I saw mentioned that Adam, Jules & Ding all wanted to play under Phil. Big Red put his name in that same hat too.

[curious]

From Boti. "THE Adelaide 36ers expect to reveal a new NBL coach by the weekend with Rob Beveridge and Scott Ninnis among leading contenders."

[mama k]

Does anyone think Marty Clarke has a realistic chance of getting the position??

[isaac]

Did he apply?

If so, I hope they'd seriously consider him. If not, then I guess his chances are slim. ;)

[mama k]

Not sure whether he applied - an article from his hometown said the he "was in the running" so I don't know what they know.

[razors_girl23]

If Bevo leaves the Razors and goes to the 36ers, I'll be the first to egg him once he gets here. :lol: :P

[isaac]

FWIW, Clarke did not apply.

[roesti]

In the midst of talking about coaches, it seems that Hodge is trying his hand at the D-League: http://www.adelaide36ers.com/36ers/media/news/399/. We'll see what happens.

[inebriated]

Stacker is ready to throw his hat into the mix. Seeing his close connection to Newly and Ingles that might not be such a bad thing.

Yeah i know BN is in Greece but if he missses on the NBA and is sick of souvlaki and keeping his back against the shower wall he may want to come home where the sheilas actually have 2 eyebrows.

[DICKO]

Stacker is ready to throw his hat into the mix. Seeing his close connection to Newly and Ingles that might not be such a bad thing.

Stacker never applied to Adelaide, so is definitely NOT in the mix.

Adelaide have made an offer to Beveridge, who has been taken aback by the fact that the offer is about 25% lower than what he wason at the Pigs. Poor bugger just assumed that Adelaide were a rich club and were going to pay him much more.

So unless they come to some agreement soon, I would expect Ninnis (the 6ers second choice by a whisker) to get the gig.

It is between those two....that's all. So any speculation about Voldemort returning, Clarke or Stacker in the mix, etc.......is all incorrect.

And, inebriated, you seem to forget that in those 2 there is already a guy who is very close to Newley and Ingles.

[DDFan]

OK, I'd assumed that the announcement delay (supposedly next week), was due to complications with Bevo's Razor commitment buy out.
If Bevo's the man of choice, why wasn't he given a lucrative offer (GREATER THAN the 'Back's deal)? I don't want to burn my brain out at such an early age, but if Phil was the highest paid coach in the league, & the 'Backs are struggling financially, I would've expected that Bevo would've been given some realistic bait, not chump change.
Isaac, where are you? :wink:

[isaac]

The offer to Bevo wasn't absymal and was apparently in-line with a number of other coaching salaries in the league. Just supposedly short of West Sydney's deal with Bevo as it turns out. I don't know if West Sydney's financial position changed significantly after their last influx of cash. Could be that they invested in a coach and started light on the team - wouldn't have been any massive earners in that team, IMO - I could see Rush being the highest paid unless there's someone else I've forgotten?

Why the offer wouldn't be higher might come down to a number of things - belief by the club that it's enough/fair, other costs (e.g., players) needing extra attention, the financial position of the owner, etc.

[King of Kings]

Will there be a 36's next year?
If so with a lot less support from Qld Eddy, as he will have to look at selling all non core assets to get his own liqudity postion in better shape.
I wouldn't consider the Dome a core asset for him, nor the 36's if it is his money supporting Hemmerling. ABC's flu could be terminal for the 36's before it hits the bullets.

[isaac]

36ers will survive. Too much support from the public and media here for someone not to keep them running.

[King of Kings]

36ers will survive. Too much support from the public and media here for someone not to keep them running.

Hopefully so, but maybe not with the current ownership structure. Could be joining the Kings is asking for interest from new owners?

[DDFan]

36ers will survive. Too much support from the public and media here for someone not to keep them running.

Hopefully so, but maybe not with the current ownership structure. Could be joining the Kings is asking for interest from new owners?And you base that on what?

[inebriated]

Stacker is ready to throw his hat into the mix. Seeing his close connection to Newly and Ingles that might not be such a bad thing.

Stacker never applied to Adelaide, so is definitely NOT in the mix.

Adelaide have made an offer to Beveridge, who has been taken aback by the fact that the offer is about 25% lower than what he wason at the Pigs. Poor bugger just assumed that Adelaide were a rich club and were going to pay him much more.

So unless they come to some agreement soon, I would expect Ninnis (the 6ers second choice by a whisker) to get the gig.

It is between those two....that's all. So any speculation about Voldemort returning, Clarke or Stacker in the mix, etc.......is all incorrect.

And, inebriated, you seem to forget that in those 2 there is already a guy who is very close to Newley and Ingles.

ninnis for sure is tight with them I'd be more than happy with him moving the baldie into yesteryear.

[sixers33]

If Beveridge isn't happy, atleast offer similar to the Razorbacks. Being cheap won't get us anywhere but further down the ladder.

[DDFan]

The future.
Adam, Jules & Ding said they want/ed to be coached by Phil, yet the 36ers pursued other applicants. Sure it showed that management were looking for the best person for the position, but that raises a few questions:
1 .. Is player opinion important?
2 .. Is fan-based pressure more important, than the thoughts of the players?
3 .. Was/is it about saving $$$? Possibly, Phil & Steve are supposedly in the upper region of NBL coaching salaries, yet the 36ers couldn't approach, let alone compete with West Sydney's deal.
4 .. Are 36er fans happy to have management save money & gamble on signings?
5 .. What exactly, was so wrong with the latter part of the 36er season?
6 .. Will a new coach with the risk of losing Adam, Jules & Ding, guarantee a finals spot (would you sign, if your view didn't matter)?
7 .. Will the cost savings from not signing Phil, Steve, Adam, Jules & Ding mean that there will be funds available for paid ancillary practice session staff?
8 .. Who'll apply for the development player positions?
9 .. Will these changes restore previous season ticket benefits/entitlements?
10 .. Will Isaac put us out of our misery & let us know before the official announcement?

[Stumps]

Did those players say they refuse to be coached by anybody else?

[isaac]

Don't think so. Haven't seen any quotes from players suggesting that anyway.

There's been a newspaper article and TV report saying that Hodge would be more likely to return under Smyth, but would still play for another coach that has been taken incorrectly by some to mean "No Smyth, No Hodge". The comment about Ballinger and Ng, from what I've seen, came from a TV news report and was phrased along the lines of "It is believed that Smyth also has the support of", etc. No specific quotes though and nothing from Boti about those two saying that.

[Hoop Addict]

Last I heard, Ballinger was waiting until the deal is done but is ready to sign a three-year deal under a new coach but only one year under Smyth.

[King of Kings]

36ers will survive. Too much support from the public and media here for someone not to keep them running.

Hopefully so, but maybe not with the current ownership structure. Could be joining the Kings is asking for interest from new owners?And you base that on what?

Eddy Groves is likely to have to have a sell off of assets to cover the loans he and ABC have taken out. He is unlikely unable to afford such items as the Dome and if he is backing Memmerling in the ownership of the 36's this is more than likely to stop, as he just wont be able to fund it any longer. It is sad that Eddy has fallen into trouble finacially but it is what it is and there is no doubt he has some level of involvment in the 36's.

[sixers33]

Groves says Dome is fine. It was in an article in the business section with a two page spread about the rise & fall of Eddy Groves and ABC Learning Centers. The Dome is a personal asset and is not at risk atm.

[King of Kings]

Groves says Dome is fine. It was in an article in the business section with a two page spread about the rise & fall of Eddy Groves and ABC Learning Centers. The Dome is a personal asset and is not at risk atm.

So are the Bullets. Read this just out in the SMH.

http://news.smh.com.au/bullets-silent-o ... -1wiz.html (http://news.smh.com.au/bullets-silent-over-nbl-team-ownership/20080303-1wiz.html)

[jake3]

How can the NBL compete with the AFL if it returns to winter?
Please don't say it couldn't do any worse...........

[sixers33]

Groves says Dome is fine. It was in an article in the business section with a two page spread about the rise & fall of Eddy Groves and ABC Learning Centers. The Dome is a personal asset and is not at risk atm.

So are the Bullets. Read this just out in the SMH.

http://news.smh.com.au/bullets-silent-o ... -1wiz.html (http://news.smh.com.au/bullets-silent-over-nbl-team-ownership/20080303-1wiz.html)

Channel 10 Sport Report -

Eddy Groves sent an e-mail saying the Dome is safe for now.

Rob Beveridge has rejected the Sixers offer (not enough $$$)
Sixers have turned their attention to Ninnish now...

[Stumps]

So the Dome is "safe for now" and Van Gronigen refuses to confirm or deny whether Groves is looking to sell the Bullets. That's certainly comforting.

[curious]

Come on down Scotty Ninnis.

[DDFan]

Did those players say they refuse to be coached by anybody else?Nah, not refuse, but they were 100% behind Phil, which infers he'd be their first preference.
Jules' version was that if he missed out on the NBA & Phil was to coach the 36ers, his signing was "in the bag". Beyond that, it was maybe the 36ers (if Phil didn't coach), but didn't seem interested in any other NBL team (maybe consider Euro league again?).

Curious, you wanted to know how they could've rushed through the interview process like they did, well I'd like to know what's the hold-up in the announcement, if it's Scotty? :?

[isaac]

Hemmerling is interstate. May be waiting for him to return.

[curious]

Did those players say they refuse to be coached by anybody else?Nah, not refuse, but they were 100% behind Phil, which infers he'd be their first preference.
Jules' version was that if he missed out on the NBA & Phil was to coach the 36ers, his signing was "in the bag". Beyond that, it was maybe the 36ers (if Phil didn't coach), but didn't seem interested in any other NBL team (maybe consider Euro league again?).
Curious, you wanted to know how they could've rushed through the interview process like they did, well I'd like to know what's the hold-up in the announcement, if it's Scotty? :?
Clearly they rushed the interview process that public knowledge.
Not sure whats going on now..
Maybe you should ask them.

[sixers33]

Exclusive: SCOTT Ninnis will be the new coach of the Adelaide 36ers.

Ninnis on Friday formally will be unveiled as Phil Smyth's successor at the NBL club.

He has approached Richard Hill to act as his lead assistant.

...Read More (http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23317983-5006371,00.html)

[glockers]

This is rather exciting news. Ninnis is an excellent coach and it is great he finally gets his chance in a head coaching role.


My question is what can Adelaide do to upgrade their playing roster? I am unsure who is signed and who isn't? Is Ballinger naturalised at the start of the season?

[Voice(s)]

For my buddy G-Lockers, I believe this may be the score:

Davidson (1 year left)
Maher (1 year left with options for a further 2 years)
Sutton (1 year left)
Cooper (1 year left)

Hodge (free agent)
Ballinger (option to return)
Mottram (free agent)
Ng (free agent)
Copeland (free agent, LOL)
Dench (option to return)

Maher considering retirement but it now looks like he will be playing on next season...Ballinger and Hodge both supposedly want to come back but both have yet to re-sign, Hodge thinks he's a chance to play in the NBA again & I believe Ballinger can naturalise during next season...Ng supposedly is going to take another year off from basketball next season...Copeland may or may not have retired (if someone want's him he'll try and hang on) and has reportedly signed on to coach Geelong next season in the ABL.

[glockers]

That is a roster that could be facing a major shake up then.

Since I have already spruiked it in the Wildcats page, why not go after Boodnikoff?

Mottram would be a must retain in my opinion. But if you guys don't want him then the Kings should go after him.


With Ballinger naturalising it is a question of whether you guys keep Hodges. If Hodges does return then do you go an import centre or an import point?

[Voice(s)]

Since I have already spruiked it in the Wildcats page, why not go after Boodnikoff?

Even though he's an Adelaide boy I don't think he'd be overly interested in a back up SG role.

Mottram would be a must retain in my opinion. But if you guys don't want him then the Kings should go after him.

Mottram isn't a must anything. Serviceable back up big man though.

[/quote="glockers"]With Ballinger naturalising it is a question of whether you guys keep Hodges. If Hodges does return then do you go an import centre or an import point?[/quote]

Too early to say. Ballinger must be re-signed at whatever price he deems appropriate and then go from there. HODGE might be required depending on what style Ninnis looks to play, loosy goosy Smyth ball? sure but slow it down half court stuff? Nup.

[Rat10]

Exclusive: SCOTT Ninnis will be the new coach of the Adelaide 36ers.

Ninnis on Friday formally will be unveiled as Phil Smyth's successor at the NBL club.

He has approached Richard Hill to act as his lead assistant.

...Read More (http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23317983-5006371,00.html)

Congrats to Scotty. Let's hope he can bring back some of those South Australians that he recruited for the Dragons. Signing the best import combination in the league this season wouldn't hurt either.

[isaac]

Adelaide 36ers confirm Ninnis as head coach:
http://www.adelaide36ers.com/36ers/media/news/400/

[sixers33]

Head Coach: Scott Ninnis

Retained: David Cooper, Brett Maher, Brad Davidson,

Not Returning: Lanard Copeland

Yet to Decide: Darren Ng, Adam Ballinger, Julius Hodge, Axel Dench (option), Neil Mottram, Matt Sutton

[ash_24]

Head Coach: Scott Ninnis

Retained: David Cooper, Brett Maher, Brad Davidson,

Not Returning: Lanard Copeland

Yet to Decide: Darren Ng, Adam Ballinger, Julius Hodge, Neil Mottram, Matt Sutton

Banned From the State of South Australia: Axel Dench

Fixed.

[isaac]

If you really didn't like him, wouldn't you encourage him to visit as perhaps the starting centre for Singapore?

Still early days yet. Only rumour to date that I'm aware of is Holmes.

[glockers]

Holmes would be a good addition to the 36ers. They need a versatile forward who can lighten the load off any imports.

I reckon get a two guard import or you play Hodges there (but that is out of position I think?). Sign an import centre once Ballinger naturalises.

Drew Williamson or John Fitzgerald would be nice guys to add to the bench in the swing positions. Grab another young big fella too and you are rolling.

I guess if Luke S signs it changes things though.

Davidson
Import guard
Holmes
Ballinger
Import centre

Bench - Maher, Sutton, Cooper, Williamson, Young big guy.

[Voice(s)]

Not bloody Holmes again, if we're seriously entertaining the thought of bringing back brick city than that pretty much means Hodge is gone. Not keen on Schenscher playing for the Sixers either.

Not sure if he's expendable or not but we need Grabau.

[ash_24]

If you really didn't like him, wouldn't you encourage him to visit as perhaps the starting centre for Singapore?
No, no I wouldn't. No more DHD for Dench.....

:lol:
It's not that I don't like the guy, he just was one of the larger disappointments in season full of them.

Not bloody Holmes again, if we're seriously entertaining the thought of bringing back brick city than that pretty much means Hodge is gone.
Yes, let's not bring back the best rebounder in the league, who also adds defence, passing, smarts and spot up shooting. That would be stupid.

[isaac]

Not to mention has apparently had his points value revised down and is a local.

Don't see why Holmes and Hodge couldn't suit on the same team.

[curious]

Holmes and Dench is the word.
Not so sure that Holmes' points have gone down either.

[grindog]

Not to mention has apparently had his points value revised down and is a local.

Don't see why Holmes and Hodge couldn't suit on the same team.

Ive started to warm to this idea in the past few weeks.

Something along..

Ballinger / Cooper
Holmes / Dodman
Hodge / ???
Ng / Maher
Davidson / Burdon

[WHIPS]

Not to mention has apparently had his points value revised down and is a local.

Don't see why Holmes and Hodge couldn't suit on the same team.

Ive started to warm to this idea in the past few weeks.

Something along..

Ballinger / Cooper
Holmes / Dodman
Hodge / ???
Ng / Maher
Davidson / Burdon

It's certainly an improvement, but my guess is you wouldn't be able to compete with the top 4 teams with that line-up come play-offs.

I empathize with the teams rather precarious position in regard to the 2 guard spot due to Maher's injury and the extinct of his role in the team; the Bullets had similar difficulty prior to Rucker's somewhat forced retirement. Fortunately for the Bullets it was more an issue of superfluity in the guard spots rather than injury, however the dilemma of Rucker's effectiveness of the bench is comparable to that of the 36ers with Maher. FWIW I'm hoping he comes back match fit and ready to fire :)

[sixers33]

Well..

Ballinger / Cooper
Holmes / Dodman
Hodge / ???
Ng / Maher
Davidson / Burdon

Bench = 13

Start = 40

Total = 53/68

Well, you have 15 points to play with...

When Ballinger naturalises you need to replace someone.. Let's say Burdon (1pt)

You have Aaron Grabau who is 5 pts or Cameron Tovey (also 5 pts)


C Ballinger/Cooper
F Holmes/Dodman
F Hodge/Tovey
G IMPORT/Ng
G Davidson/Maher

Total = 67/68
:D

[curious]

Where are you getting your points from?

[sixers33]

Where are you getting your points from?

nblstats.com and last NBL point list released.

Some are suggesting that Holmes has his points cut down to 6 which would be even better :P (I didn't count that in though)

[curious]

AFAIK there are no official points released so far.
The first release of player points is out AFAIK, but there is an appeal period before the official points come out.
Please provide the link to the area you are drawing your potential points from. Thanks.

[sixers33]

Again, last points available for the public..

http://www.nblstats.com/roster.php?teamid=10369 (Sixers)
http://www.nblstats.com/roster.php?teamid=10378 (Tovey)
http://www.nblstats.com/roster.php?teamid=10371 (Grabau)


Cooper (7) More likely to go down then up,
Maher (5) stays same
Ng (6) If re-signs remains same points
Ballinger (10) Max
Hodge (10) Max
Dodman (1) Rookie
Burdon (1) Rookie
Holmes (9) Likely to go down to 1-2 points
Davidson (6) stays same

I didn't put possible discounts or point cuts into account, so pointwise, it should work even one or two players went up.

[isaac]

Curious, they're relying on the only points available to fans right now, and it's a roster guess. Ease up.

I'm not sure that Ballinger should be played as a C. Leave him at PF, Holmes at SF, Hodge or another import at SG, Davidson at PG and try things from there.

[Voice(s)]

Yes, let's not bring back the best rebounder in the league, who also adds defence, passing, smarts and spot up shooting. That would be stupid.

I wouldn't call him the best rebounder in the league and he's decent defensively. Passing? He was as good as a black hole with us last time round. Smarts? Hasn't got much of a basketball IQ in my opinion. Spot up shooting? Absolutely horrible shooter unless he has time to set up for a wide open three.

Hodge is a SF and Ballinger is a PF. Something about Holmes tells me he wouldn't exactly take to coming off the bench.

[isaac]

He dished a good number of assists in his last season with Adelaide and his rebounding might not have been the best in the league, but it's pretty decent.

I don't see why Hodge wouldn't work as an off guard. He could split minutes with Maher at the 2 and Holmes at the 3. Holmes could cover SF and some minutes at PF.

[ash_24]

I wouldn't call him the best rebounder in the leaguePound for pound, I'd say he is. One of very best (at least) overall.
he's decent defensivelyYeah. And that's a bad thing?
Passing? He was as good as a black hole with us last time round.That's funny, I remember him playing point forward quite often and racking up some huge assist numbers.
Smarts? Hasn't got much of a basketball IQ in my opinion.Well, that's your opinion, isn't it.
Spot up shooting? Absolutely horrible shooter unless he has time to set up for a wide open three.Somehow, I'm led to believe that that's kinda what 'spot up' shooting is.
Hodge is a SF and Ballinger is a PF. Something about Holmes tells me he wouldn't exactly take to coming off the bench. Provided Hodge comes back. Besides, you can mix and match your combos, who cares if your not starting if you're getting starters minutes?

You are a Holmes hater, so I know there's no point arguing with you too much, but let's try to atleast a bring some valid points during our attacks on players okay?

[Rat10]

Curious, they're relying on the only points available to fans right now, and it's a roster guess. Ease up.

I'm not sure that Ballinger should be played as a C. Leave him at PF, Holmes at SF, Hodge or another import at SG, Davidson at PG and try things from there.

I think you could get away with starting Ballinger at centre. The NBL doesn't really have that many dominate big guys. You'd have Cooper off the bench as an option as well. Wasn't Brisbane starting Rychart at centre last season?

You could then start: Davidson, import SG, Hodge, Holmes and Ballinger. If you start Hodge at SG and Ballinger at PF then who plays centre. You could attempt to go after an import centre but I think a shooting guard would suit the Sixers more. They're easier to find and I can't remember the last quality import who was a centre and not ridiculously expensive like Burgess. Another option is starting Cooper at centre but you then lack 3-pt shooting if your import SG comes off the bench.

[Voice(s)]

You are a Holmes hater, so I know there's no point arguing with you too much, but let's try to atleast a bring some valid points during our attacks on players okay?

By the sounds of things you have a crush on the guy. I did bring some valid points as to why I clearly don't rate Holmes as highly as you do but here's the closer...

Career numbers over his seven (7) year career:

10.5ppg, 7.3rpg, 2.2apg 38% FG, 29% 3pts

[ash_24]

[quote="ash_24":tro0psgm]You are a Holmes hater, so I know there's no point arguing with you too much, but let's try to atleast a bring some valid points during our attacks on players okay?

By the sounds of things you have a crush on the guy. I did bring some valid points as to why I clearly don't rate Holmes as highly as you do but here's the closer...

Career numbers over his seven (7) year career:

10.5ppg, 7.3rpg, 2.2apg 38% FG, 29% 3pts[/quote:tro0psgm]
What do his career numbers prove? Over his first two years he averaged about 5, 3 and 1. Of course those numbers aren't going to be great.

I am a Holmes fan, but you've said that he was black hole, yet in his last year here he averaged 3.5 assists, and even before that had played some 'point forward' and distributed the ball, having a fair few big assist games. And then when you consider that he averaged around 11 shots per game during his last 3 seasons in Adelaide, his FGA to assists ratio is pretty good, IMO.

Then you go on to say that this:
Spot up shooting? Absolutely horrible shooter unless he has time to set up for a wide open three.
Which is exactly what being a spot up shooter is: feet set, wide open, catch and shoot. So what was your point in saying that?

As far as I'm concerned, the only fair point you made was that he wasn't the 'best' rebounder in the league. But you possibly make a case fot that. Nearly 10 a game, only behind Anstey, Rickert, Jawai and tied with Knight - all true 'bigs'. He's defintely a great rebounder and easily one of the top few rebounders in the game.

[curious]

Again, last points available for the public..

http://www.nblstats.com/roster.php?teamid=10369 (Sixers)
http://www.nblstats.com/roster.php?teamid=10378 (Tovey)
http://www.nblstats.com/roster.php?teamid=10371 (Grabau)


Cooper (7) More likely to go down then up,
Maher (5) stays same
Ng (6) If re-signs remains same points
Ballinger (10) Max
Hodge (10) Max
Dodman (1) Rookie
Burdon (1) Rookie
Holmes (9) Likely to go down to 1-2 points
Davidson (6) stays same

I didn't put possible discounts or point cuts into account, so pointwise, it should work even one or two players went up.
Here's my guess. External ratings only.
Cooper 8
Maher 10 5 internal
Ng 8
Ballinger (10) Max
Hodge (10) Max
Dodman 2 They were rookies
Burdon 2 They were rookies
Holmes 9
Davidson 8

I just don't think its a clever idea to base a potenetial side on last seasons points. It wont be long before the appeal process is over AFAIK.

[curious]

Double post.

[sixers33]

Williamson is a 1 for Brisbane, why not Burdon and Dodman?

Cooper 8? Davidson 8? Ng 8? 6 point increase?!

Sure they improved on their stats but not enough to get that sort of increase..

[isaac]

I'd say that Curious is quoting from an early draft of the points values.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Honestly, I have trouble seeing Holmes and Hodge sharing a front-court myself.

If we did have both I'd be looking to play Holmes off the bench but getting big minutes at 3/4. Perhaps he would be willing to do that after a year in hell with the Dragons...

Another thing which could be said... Is Hodge the way we want to go, if he wants to take a real shot at the NBA, considering we'll have a whole off-season to track down potential imports? I think we could find a 2/3 which would suit us better if we did add Holmes.

Although I'm very pleased with what Hodge gave us in the last weeks of this season.

[grindog]

Im all for playing Hodge at SG. Especially if Balls naturalies. Then grab a decent outside scoring PG import (Franklin like).

Starting 5
Cooper
Ballinger
Holmes
Hodge
IMPORT

Bench
Maher
Ng
Davidson
Mottram
Dodman

Would be close to the best starting 5 in the League with a not too shabby bench either.

Edited as totally didnt type what was in my head the first time.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Remember if we secure Ballinger for next year it'd be nice to have a spare 10 points to give up to get another import (naturalise)...

[Voice(s)]

What do his career numbers prove? Over his first two years he averaged about 5, 3 and 1. Of course those numbers aren't going to be great.

I am a Holmes fan, but you've said that he was black hole, yet in his last year here he averaged 3.5 assists, and even before that had played some 'point forward' and distributed the ball, having a fair few big assist games. And then when you consider that he averaged around 11 shots per game during his last 3 seasons in Adelaide, his FGA to assists ratio is pretty good, IMO.

Then you go on to say that this:
Spot up shooting? Absolutely horrible shooter unless he has time to set up for a wide open three.
Which is exactly what being a spot up shooter is: feet set, wide open, catch and shoot. So what was your point in saying that?

As far as I'm concerned, the only fair point you made was that he wasn't the 'best' rebounder in the league. But you possibly make a case fot that. Nearly 10 a game, only behind Anstey, Rickert, Jawai and tied with Knight - all true 'bigs'. He's defintely a great rebounder and easily one of the top few rebounders in the game.

I've seen more of Holmes than I care to remember but his career numbers tell you quite a bit. Firstly, you rip out one year he averaged 3.5apg (which is good) while I present 2.2apg for his entire career. Yes, he did start to ease up on thinking he was some sort of offensive weapon towards the end there with us for the most part he was a black hole on offence. The second he'd get the ball he would jack up one of his flat footed bricks regardless of whether they were going in or not and despite the fact there would usually be a few better options offensively than himself.

Holmes used to have the odd game where he didn't put up a lot of shots but he also had his fair share of 4-16, 5-18 type games as well. Sickening.

I left that comment but I think you and I have differing interpretations of what spot up shooting is. A spot up shooter is more like a Jason Smith type getting himself in position off of a fast break and putting it up. Holmes in my opinion puts up most of his three's within a half court offence from cuts, screens etc. and not so much in direct transition, he's not a spot up shooter. In fact he's not a good shooter by any definiton hence why I put up his shooting percentages to illustrate that he lacks nous in not recognizing this.

He is a very good rebounder for his size no problem there and I think we're going to have to agree here because I think that was pretty much the only fair point you made. Passing, smarts and spot up shooting or any kind of shooting for that matter are anything but strong points in the Holmes repertoire.

[grindog]

Adam Ballinger has just signed for 3 more years. Ya Beauty! Should hopefully naturalise soon too!

http://www.adelaide36ers.com/36ers/media/news/401/

[Da Houndawg #55]

Holmes keeps sounding more likely as well from what I hear...

[Cussy]

Single post.

[Poida]

Holmes is a done deal.

[isaac]

Julius now the priority target. Will have high demands, but the club's seen what he can do and he is very popular with fans.

[Da Houndawg #55]

I see Darren Ng as being a higher priority than Jules, since Holmes signed.

Not that the club will necessarily see it that way.

Plus, they may see Jules as more likely to return if Darren's said something about a year off...

[isaac]

A challenge now is that they have a lot tied up in Maher if he's going to play more of a sixth man role going forward. Can't deny him rewards for his loyalty, but it gives them an obstacle within the cap.

[The Minx]

Excellent news with both these siginings. Ballinger the most important one but Holmes is still a very useful player. His rebounding, especially offensive boards as well as his good post defense should be very useful for the sixers. Combined with Julius and Ballinger this makes a very good frountcort and would be more than competent in terms of rebounding, offense and defense against most teams bar maybe Anstey where Cooper will be required to play a bigger role. Things are already shaping up how I wanted them to, hopefully the talk about Dench is not true as he would be a waste of points, money and a roster spot.

[Voice(s)]

Great news about Ballinger he had me worried there for a bit.

[Earnie Shavers]

Great news. I really want to see the 36ers bounce back up to the top. If there's one playoff series I want to see, it's Kings/36ers.

[sixers33]

Great News!! :D

Good to hear about Holmes too and hopefully Hodge comes on board :P

[isaac]

Rumours (unsure of how likely they are) go that the Tigers would very much like Hodge in Melbourne to replace Dave Thomas.

[Rat10]

Great news. I really want to see the 36ers bounce back up to the top. If there's one playoff series I want to see, it's Kings/36ers.

Agreed. Whilst Goorj has been coaching the Kings, Adelaide and Sydney haven't had a playoff battle because the Kings have been too far up the top of the ladder and the Sixers too far down the bottom or getting knocked out in the elimination rounds. The fact that Smyth has gone takes some of the spice out of a potential playoff series, but it would still be a mouth-watering prospect.

[isaac]

I don't think most Adelaide fans need Smyth at the helm to get fired up for the Kings and Goorjian!

[boz_novocastrian]

with the way most 5's are undersized you could see balls playing the 5 at times or splitting it with cooper

[timbo]

I don't think most Adelaide fans need Smyth at the helm to get fired up for the Kings and Goorjian!

no they dont but back when we were troubling goorj's team with smyth's free flowing play...to see goorj pull his 'panic' timeout was priceless in the dome... never knew how to counter the random run other than to stop it and fire the crowd up more....

[ash_24]

I don't think most Adelaide fans need Smyth at the helm to get fired up for the Kings and Goorjian!

no they dont but back when we were troubling goorj's team with smyth's free flowing play...to see goorj pull his 'panic' timeout was priceless in the dome... never knew how to counter the random run other than to stop it and fire the crowd up more....
I don't think coaches calling timeouts to stem the flow will stop when Smyth (OMG, I can say that here!!1!ONE!!!11) is gone. :wink:

[lawsy82]

sixers will struggle to make playoffs next year, jacob holmes doesnt win you games, hodge will go to tigers and ballinger hasnt won since he has been in australia. You have an injured old PG, no SG a crap center, yeah exciting times

[grindog]

Lets not forget Schensher is still a target recruit also.

[ash_24]

sixers will struggle to make playoffs next year, jacob holmes doesnt win you games, hodge will go to tigers and ballinger hasnt won since he has been in australia. You have an injured old PG, no SG a crap center, yeah exciting times
Nope, you're not a troll at all.

Who cares about Hodge. Judging by his D-L form, there's a pretty good chance he'll end up on an NBA roster anyway.

[36ers]

Lets not forget Schensher is still a target recruit also.
He's got to be the most talked about man to never play a game for the Sixers. I for one am sick of hearing about him. He's not even that good.

[36ers]

I heard Scott Ninnis' interview on the radio yesterday and personally I think Hodge won't be back. I would love to have him back as he was exceptional over the last month or two and it's hard to see him leaving after how he took to the crowd and they took to him, but it sounded to me as though the 36ers aren't overly confident. He tried to make it sound as though he'll be back but I have my doubts.

Great news about Holmes if true. He was my favourite player when with the Sixers and I was very disappointed when he left. His shooting is improving and he is one of the best rebounders in the NBL.

[bear]

sixers will struggle to make playoffs next year, jacob holmes doesnt win you games, hodge will go to tigers and ballinger hasnt won since he has been in australia. You have an injured old PG, no SG a crap center, yeah exciting times

Jacob alone won't win the sixers games games but he is a solid chamionship winning player and it would be good to have him back.
Hodge will go - but not to the Tigers - probably the NBA

Where you make a bit of idiot of yourself is saying Ballinger has never won since he has been in Australia?????

Some stats
2004-05 - Gong 20-12 2nd regular season - finals v kings
2005-06 - Gong 19-13 3rd regular season - qf loss to cats

Unless you define winner as "championship only", I am unsure where you pulled that fact from.

[isaac]

Don't feed the trolls.

Best to build up the local contingent and support that with good imports. Grabbed Davidson last season and could get Holmes this time, plus Ballinger potentially naturalising. Hodge or not, they will be in a good position.

With a lot of uncertainty in Brisbane, there could be a chance to snatch one of the Bullets? Would be great to get Gibson or Ere, or even Williamson. With Ballinger and Holmes a chance, I'm not sure there'd be room for Rychart?

[bear]

Don't feed the trolls.

A little bit of troll baiting can be fun?

Wouldn't mind Brown as a backup C if we lose Motts?

[Southern Joe]

.... I don't know if this has been brought up .. & its not a flame ... but can the Phil Smyth swear filter be removed from hoopssa forum ?

[angry ant]

Lets not forget Schensher is still a target recruit also.
He's got to be the most talked about man to never play a game for the Sixers. I for one am sick of hearing about him. He's not even that good.
Yeah, because the NBA is soooo easy to get into! :roll:

The 36ers are trying to change his player rating and sign him-

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23443285-5006371,00.html

[DDFan]

.... I don't know if this has been brought up .. & its not a flame ... but can the Phil Smyth swear filter be removed from hoopssa forum ?It could, but probably won't be.
Nice of you to ask though.
BTW, would anyone like to know how the block came about, or is it better not to know, that you've all swallowed sh1t?

[havrilla the gorilla]

Lets not forget Schensher is still a target recruit also.
He's got to be the most talked about man to never play a game for the Sixers. I for one am sick of hearing about him. He's not even that good.
Yeah, because the NBA is soooo easy to get into! :roll:

The 36ers are trying to change his player rating and sign him-

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23443285-5006371,00.html


I agree with you Ant - "not even that good" (according to old mate) in the NBA equals pretty darn good in the NBL. As an added bonus it will boost the profile of the league, get some interest in the sixers and inject some talent with an exciting centre to watch. I hope the sixers can make the deal...nothing but positive can become of it.

[Skindog the Hawk]

.... I don't know if this has been brought up .. & its not a flame ... but can the Phil Smyth swear filter be removed from hoopssa forum ?It could, but probably won't be.
Nice of you to ask though.
BTW, would anyone like to know how the block came about, or is it better not to know, that you've all swallowed sh1t?

Have a think about it.

Your name is Phil Smyth.

You're applying for coaching jobs, maybe outside of Australia.

Your future employer decides to Google your name.

All these posts on HoopsSA appear.

You no longer get the job. :?

Or at least that's how it'd work in someone's theory. :? :?

SD.

[isaac]

Skindawg, I reckon you're off the mark. No potential employer would realistically factor in some criticism on a forum as more of 0.1% of their judgement in hiring someone to that sort of position.

I'm sure he'd not love the idea of people trashing him on a forum back when it was presumably suggested to him that it was occurring (most wouldn't), but I don't think it's a conscious on-going decision of his to maintain the filter - in fact, I'd assume he's probably forgotten about it, for the most part. It's worth remembering that he didn't contact me directly to request it and, I assume, wouldn't contact me to have it lifted.

I don't think it's an on-going hassle for more than the smallest percentage of posts (there are filters in place for two other names, and people rarely notice them). Obviously: a. his name is mentioned a lot less now than it was before, b. many reference him via another name now out of habit, c. for those that don't, I usually make an edit so that their post shows up.

[curious]

Yes you google Smyth's name and all the criticism of him from the people on Ozhoops appears too.

[DDFan]

Yes you google Smyth's name and all the criticism of him from the people on Ozhoops appears too.Now there's a surprise. :shock:

[DDFan]

It's after the April Fool deadline in the Eastern States, so I'll give you guys the jump on explaining the full details of the Smyth banning on hoops.com. No-one's asked, so it seems you've got the full story.
Don't force yourselves, there won't be a barrage of informed 36er fans shooting you down in 20 minutes, but it'd be nice if you had the balls to exhibit your knowledge on what actually happened.

[DDFan]

It's obviously frantic in the Eastern States so far today, but to be fair, I have to give the local knowledgeables a crack at it now.
Time to open up the floodgates, & have it all revealed.
Go for it boys.

[isaac]

Grindog, do you think Dench will be retained? To back up Ballinger or share the paint with Coops? I would've thought they are too tight on points for the former and would want more clout to try the latter?

(Thought, it's fair to say that the points situation may have changed if Ballinger is unlikely to naturalise at all during the 08/09 season.)

[DDFan]

Grindog, do you think Dench will be retained? To back up Ballinger or share the paint with Coops? I would've thought they are too tight on points for the former and would want more clout to try the latter.So Isaac, are you implying that grindog has the answers?
No pressure on grindog, there's quite a bit of time to bring everyone up to speed before I call on our Westy counterparts (& overseas OzHos) for answers.

[isaac]

I think they've mentioned something about Dench being a possible for 08/09 so figured they might know.

[isaac]

Adelaide has signed 2002 NBL championship back-up forward Jacob Holmes to a three-year contract.

Holmes, 24 and 198cm, played 150 NBL games with the 36ers before crossing to Melbourne to join the new South Dragons franchise for the 2006-07 season.
Full article from Boti (http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23466274-5006371,00.html)

[jonno]

If they miss out on Schenscher and no other proven centre is available would people be happy to retain Dench or Mottram??? or would they prefer to give the minutes to Dodman or another young guy from around Australia or returning from college??
I think Maric is a senior and possibly Luke Neville also or even Kickert who left college a few years back, i would like to see the 36ers go after them, but not sure if they would have much chance signing many of them.
I still think Schenscher would be the best case scenario, but wouldnt be too un happy to see either Dench or Mottram share the minutes with Cooper.

[grindog]

Grindog, do you think Dench will be retained? To back up Ballinger or share the paint with Coops? I would've thought they are too tight on points for the former and would want more clout to try the latter.So Isaac, are you implying that grindog has the answers?
No pressure on grindog, there's quite a bit of time to bring everyone up to speed before I call on our Westy counterparts (& overseas OzHos) for answers.
Of course i have the answers. Why would you question that DDfan?

Isaac, from what I understand, If Luke Schensh aint in a sixers uniform, Dench will be.

[isaac]

Jonno - Dodman is probably ideal as a back-up for Ballinger where Balls can play the bulk of the minutes (same situation at PG if they have an import SG - great opportunity for Burdon - they don't need to rely on him). Not sure that you'd want Dodman backing up Coops (who is best paired with another fringe-starter, IMO). Wonder if that supposed Slingers offer to Dodman is a real threat?

[DDFan]

Grindog, do you think Dench will be retained? To back up Ballinger or share the paint with Coops? I would've thought they are too tight on points for the former and would want more clout to try the latter.So Isaac, are you implying that grindog has the answers?
No pressure on grindog, there's quite a bit of time to bring everyone up to speed before I call on our Westy counterparts (& overseas OzHos) for answers.
Of course i have the answers. Why would you question that DDfan?I was asking for answers on the Smyth block, so if you've got the answer don't let me stop you.The internet awaits.
BTW, I was & have only been asking for the answer to the Smyth hoops.com block, not about anything else.

[Rat10]

Adelaide has signed 2002 NBL championship back-up forward Jacob Holmes to a three-year contract.

Holmes, 24 and 198cm, played 150 NBL games with the 36ers before crossing to Melbourne to join the new South Dragons franchise for the 2006-07 season.
Full article from Boti (http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23466274-5006371,00.html)

Very solid signing. Holmes does have his flaws, but I have no doubt the Sixers have missed his rebounding, especially his offensive rebounding in the past 2 seasons. A very solid defender, Holmes also has great endurance and can be played for heavy minutes.

Hopefully Ninnis and the coaching staff can improve his shooting and lift those ugly career field goal percentages.

[The Minx]

Grindog, do you think Dench will be retained? To back up Ballinger or share the paint with Coops? I would've thought they are too tight on points for the former and would want more clout to try the latter.So Isaac, are you implying that grindog has the answers?
No pressure on grindog, there's quite a bit of time to bring everyone up to speed before I call on our Westy counterparts (& overseas OzHos) for answers.
Of course i have the answers. Why would you question that DDfan?

Isaac, from what I understand, If Luke Schensh aint in a sixers uniform, Dench will be.

Please - No Dench. How can we want to retain this guy after the abysmal season he had last year. I would take any young big in the country over him.

[grindog]

Grindog, do you think Dench will be retained? To back up Ballinger or share the paint with Coops? I would've thought they are too tight on points for the former and would want more clout to try the latter.So Isaac, are you implying that grindog has the answers?
No pressure on grindog, there's quite a bit of time to bring everyone up to speed before I call on our Westy counterparts (& overseas OzHos) for answers.
Of course i have the answers. Why would you question that DDfan?

Isaac, from what I understand, If Luke Schensh aint in a sixers uniform, Dench will be.

Please - No Dench. How can we want to retain this guy after the abysmal season he had last year. I would take any young big in the country over him.

I would prefer Motts myself. He and Holmes are good mates too so it would be good to see them play together. However, rumour mill says Motts possibly heading back to Europe.

I believe Schensh is a very likely signing especially if a rerating can be done.

Could see the team looking

Schensher 10 / Cooper 8
Ballinger 10 / Mottram 7
Holmes 8 / ?? (Hill and Tovey both been metioned)
IMPORT 10 (Hodge?) / Burdon 1
Davidson 8 / Maher 5

That small forward would need to probably be able to fill a guard role as well as you can 100% expect Maher and Davidson both to go injury free all year.

Hill would be great if he can get back to his previous form. I do find it surprising that Cooper is ranked the same as Barlow, Heal, Holmes and others. Shouldnt be higher than a 7 IMO.

Also, If newley isnt picked up again for NBA, could he possibly be a target?

Interesting times over the next few weeks.

[isaac]

Newley seems quite happy in Europe and I think Tovey is already signed.

I think your line-up busts the points cap though - I think Maher is a 6 or 7 instead of a 5? Does Burdon stay as a 1 or is he a 3?

Dench is a 6 and then maybe Nic Campbell (ex-Blaze) at 3 is worth a shot? He's a SG/SF I think. Brad Williamson could be snatched from Brisbane, but he's rated fairly highly.

[Stumps]

I think your line-up busts the points cap though - I think Maher is a 6 or 7 instead of a 5?
This will all depend on whether the new points cap rules apply to existing contracts, or whether the rule of "the internal rating prevails for the life of the contract as it was at the time the contract was signed" continues to apply (my guess would be the latter, making Maher a 5 until his existing deal expires).

[grindog]

Newley seems quite happy in Europe and I think Tovey is already signed.

I think your line-up busts the points cap though - I think Maher is a 6 or 7 instead of a 5? Does Burdon stay as a 1 or is he a 3?

Dench is a 6 and then maybe Nic Campbell (ex-Blaze) at 3 is worth a shot? He's a SG/SF I think. Brad Williamson could be snatched from Brisbane, but he's rated fairly highly.

Maher holds an internal rating of 5 AFAIK.

Any player Ranked be between 1 - 5 and still at the same club will hold their original rating they were signed with which would make Burdon a 1 I think. i could be wrong tho.

Makes it difficult when the NBL dont show the internal ratings in their latest list.

[Stumps]

Any player Ranked be between 1 - 5 and still at the same club will hold their original rating they were signed with which would make Burdon a 1 I think. i could be wrong tho.
I don't think this rule will be retained.

[grindog]

Any player Ranked be between 1 - 5 and still at the same club will hold their original rating they were signed with which would make Burdon a 1 I think. i could be wrong tho.
I don't think this rule will be retained.

Do we even know for certain what the Points Cap will be?

[isaac]

I'm sure the clubs have been notified. Well, I'm not sure, but I hope!

I'd assume 68 will stay - with the new rules, it will cause enough trouble for all teams, so will be OK IMO.

[grindog]

I'm sure the clubs have been notified. Well, I'm not sure, but I hope!

I'd assume 68 will stay - with the new rules, it will cause enough trouble for all teams, so will be OK IMO.

I agree that it will cause trouble. Too many player too highly rated which will mean the NBL will start to lose quality Australian players in the League to other countries simply because clubs cant fit them in.

[isaac]

I think they'll lose them to other teams rather than lose players overseas. e.g., Ng (an 8) is off to Singapore, Vukona (an 8) is on the market and perhaps going to the Dragons, Holmes (an 8-9) has moved to Adelaide. If CJ leaves Brisbane, they will have space.

[Stumps]

Any player Ranked be between 1 - 5 and still at the same club will hold their original rating they were signed with which would make Burdon a 1 I think. i could be wrong tho.
I don't think this rule will be retained.
Do we even know for certain what the Points Cap will be?
It is 68.

[Stumps]

I'm sure the clubs have been notified. Well, I'm not sure, but I hope!

I'd assume 68 will stay - with the new rules, it will cause enough trouble for all teams, so will be OK IMO.
I agree that it will cause trouble. Too many player too highly rated which will mean the NBL will start to lose quality Australian players in the League to other countries simply because clubs cant fit them in.
That's something for the league to worry about when a majority of clubs are actually coming close to filling up their available points cap space. Several teams last season were WAY under. Hopefully if players are forced out of the deeper teams, they will move to the teams with space, thus demonstrating the effectiveness of the approach (we're still waiting for this to actually occur).

[The Minx]

Grindog, do you think Dench will be retained? To back up Ballinger or share the paint with Coops? I would've thought they are too tight on points for the former and would want more clout to try the latter.So Isaac, are you implying that grindog has the answers?
No pressure on grindog, there's quite a bit of time to bring everyone up to speed before I call on our Westy counterparts (& overseas OzHos) for answers.
Of course i have the answers. Why would you question that DDfan?

Isaac, from what I understand, If Luke Schensh aint in a sixers uniform, Dench will be.

Please - No Dench. How can we want to retain this guy after the abysmal season he had last year. I would take any young big in the country over him.

I would prefer Motts myself. He and Holmes are good mates too so it would be good to see them play together. However, rumour mill says Motts possibly heading back to Europe.

I believe Schensh is a very likely signing especially if a rerating can be done.

Could see the team looking

Schensher 10 / Cooper 8
Ballinger 10 / Mottram 7
Holmes 8 / ?? (Hill and Tovey both been metioned)
IMPORT 10 (Hodge?) / Burdon 1
Davidson 8 / Maher 5

That small forward would need to probably be able to fill a guard role as well as you can 100% expect Maher and Davidson both to go injury free all year.

Hill would be great if he can get back to his previous form. I do find it surprising that Cooper is ranked the same as Barlow, Heal, Holmes and others. Shouldnt be higher than a 7 IMO.

Also, If newley isnt picked up again for NBA, could he possibly be a target?

Interesting times over the next few weeks.

Yeh, Motts is definitely preferable to Dench. His stats and reduced court time didn't really do his good play justice this season. If Schensher is signed, I think we would have to drop one of those guys.

The back court in your lineup is a little weak with Maher and Davidson and we need someone other than Burdon to back them up. With Motts and Coops, I don't really think we need big Luke and could probably do a bit better with our points on another guard, either an import when Balls naturalizes or a servicable Aussie of the bench. I wouldn't mind seeing us try to lure Kersten, he looked solid for NZ this year and could be a project for the future.

A lot depends on when Balls citizenship comes through as you probably don't want to be playing with a backcourt of Burdon, Maher and Davidson for an extended period throughout the season. Whats the expected timeframe at the moment?

[grindog]

[quote=isaac]Grindog, do you think Dench will be retained? To back up Ballinger or share the paint with Coops? I would've thought they are too tight on points for the former and would want more clout to try the latter.So Isaac, are you implying that grindog has the answers?
No pressure on grindog, there's quite a bit of time to bring everyone up to speed before I call on our Westy counterparts (& overseas OzHos) for answers.
Of course i have the answers. Why would you question that DDfan?

Isaac, from what I understand, If Luke Schensh aint in a sixers uniform, Dench will be.

Please - No Dench. How can we want to retain this guy after the abysmal season he had last year. I would take any young big in the country over him.

I would prefer Motts myself. He and Holmes are good mates too so it would be good to see them play together. However, rumour mill says Motts possibly heading back to Europe.

I believe Schensh is a very likely signing especially if a rerating can be done.

Could see the team looking

Schensher 10 / Cooper 8
Ballinger 10 / Mottram 7
Holmes 8 / ?? (Hill and Tovey both been metioned)
IMPORT 10 (Hodge?) / Burdon 1
Davidson 8 / Maher 5

That small forward would need to probably be able to fill a guard role as well as you can 100% expect Maher and Davidson both to go injury free all year.

Hill would be great if he can get back to his previous form. I do find it surprising that Cooper is ranked the same as Barlow, Heal, Holmes and others. Shouldnt be higher than a 7 IMO.

Also, If newley isnt picked up again for NBA, could he possibly be a target?

Interesting times over the next few weeks.

Yeh, Motts is definitely preferable to Dench. His stats and reduced court time didn't really do his good play justice this season. If Schensher is signed, I think we would have to drop one of those guys.

The back court in your lineup is a little weak with Maher and Davidson and we need someone other than Burdon to back them up. With Motts and Coops, I don't really think we need big Luke and could probably do a bit better with our points on another guard, either an import when Balls naturalizes or a servicable Aussie of the bench. I wouldn't mind seeing us try to lure Kersten, he looked solid for NZ this year and could be a project for the future.

A lot depends on when Balls citizenship comes through as you probably don't want to be playing with a backcourt of Burdon, Maher and Davidson for an extended period throughout the season. Whats the expected timeframe at the moment?[/quote:3b8590kq]

Boti wrote last week that Balls wont naturlise until March next year. So its not gonna have any impact on the 08/09 season.

[curious]

Schenscher to NZ, Boti seems to think today.

[AngusH]

I don't care WHO Schenscher goes to, as long as it's SOMEONE so we can, a) stop reading rumours about which team he is going to join, and b) can finally get a grasp on whether he's worthy of a Boomers spot (unlikely).

[Stumps]

Schenscher to NZ, Boti seems to think today.
Well, if somebody is happy to pick him up at 10 points then I guess the points cap has been vindicated! QQ, Sixers.

[DDFan]

Schenscher to NZ, Boti seems to think today.You must get the hard copy, 'cos I don't see that suggestion in today's on-line write-up. :?

[AngusH]

In the online addition it's in his article from 1/4.

[isaac]

I don't think Schenscher has made a decision either way (at least, not that I'm aware of). I think Boti was just noting NZ's interest in Luke. (Luke went to visit the Breakers over the weekend, view the facilities, meet the owner, speak with Lemanis, etc.)

[coast2coast]

I don't think Schenscher has made a decision either way (at least, not that I'm aware of). I think Boti was just noting NZ's interest in Luke. (Luke went to visit the Breakers over the weekend, view the facilities, meet the owner, speak with Lemanis, etc.)

I certainly would not be mortgaging my future for a guy who has not played for a year or so no matter if he is 7ft tall. How many 7 footers have dominated the NBL? The guy just needs to play. If he is anywhere near ready now he should be playing in the ABA.

[Stumps]

How many 7 footers have dominated the NBL?
Erm ...

[AngusH]

How many 7 footers have dominated the NBL?
Erm ...

Well, the answer is "not many". Of course, that's also the answer to the question of "How many 7 footers who can walk and chew gum at the same time have played in the NBL?". ;)

[rjd]

Schenscher to NZ, Boti seems to think today.
Well, if somebody is happy to pick him up at 10 points then I guess the points cap has been vindicated! QQ, Sixers.

That doesn't mean it's a reasonable, fair value for him, though. 10 could well be over-rated. Just because a team is prepared to take the gamble, I don't think it necessarily vindicates the rating.

For example, you suggest that 8 is a fair value for Barlow, yet I'm sure some teams would still try to sign him if he was a 10 point free agent. I think the points ratings of players should be a reasonable reflection of ability, not based on the points that some stupid clubs are willing sacrifice to get their signature. This is what makes it quite different to the salary cap.

[36ers]

I don't care WHO Schenscher goes to, as long as it's SOMEONE so we can, a) stop reading rumours about which team he is going to join, and b) can finally get a grasp on whether he's worthy of a Boomers spot (unlikely).
Amen!

[isaac]

Brad Hill has signed with the 36ers. Never really got a chance with the Dragons, but could have made quite the recovery after a 28/7/8 line in the Big V recently. Rates a 2 as well so a great signing considering the points ratings of comparable players.

Will start a new topic for it for those who wish to discuss this signing in particular.

Got a feeling there'll be another signing soon too.

[grindog]

In the tiser this morning. Brad Hill has returned to Adelaide on a 2 year contract with a further year option. Great pick IMO at only 2 points.

Team is starting to come together.

Cooper / ?
Ballinger / ?
Holmes / ?
Import ? / Hill
Davidson / Maher

With an Import that sees us up to 51 points. Add Schensher and that will leave 8 points. Would we then go with Mottram and a rookie or go with say Burdon and Dodman?

[Da Houndawg #55]

That's nice. Should get a crack with Ng gone as well.

There was a lot of hype out between the pair of them and potential.

Depending on Sutton's rank I'd look to bring him back for chemistry and to pack another ball handler and that should sort our guard depth out.

Look to bring in a penetrating swingman to open things up, either Hodge himself or Hodge style (if not Hodge someone who can stick the three as well, I'd be willing to give up some of that well-rounded game for a significantly better shooter)

Then we've got Ballinger, Cooper, Holmes... gonna need another big for some depth.

[Silencer83]

Great to see the Sixers getting a couple of their juniors who went away for opportunities back. Especially good that they got Hill back at a 2 seeing as he would have still been a 1 with Adelaide if he had stayed.

[Stumps]

With an Import that sees us up to 51 points. Add Schensher and that will leave 8 points.
Are you assuming Schenscher will be a 9?

[grindog]

With an Import that sees us up to 51 points. Add Schensher and that will leave 8 points.
Are you assuming Schenscher will be a 9?

haha. Um, no.

I just can't count today. Dammit. Schensher being a 10 really would rule out Motts then.

[isaac]

Hound, I think they could leave off Sutton and take Burdon (who's running rampant in the CABL). That gives Davidson and Maher capable of running the point, then Hill if required and I'm sure Burdon wouldn't be hopeless at it. Still the import spot to come as well - a guy like Hodge or a combo guard would help as well.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Burdon does look like a pretty good prospect as well.

I just see Sutton as a surer pair of hands, although Burdon has more of a scorer's mentality.

With Hill as that other option, I figured the safe conservative hands first. Doesn't mean that Burdon wouldn't be decent enough. Either would be good, but Sutton seems to play better D and take good care of the ball.

[sixers33]

ADELAIDE 36ERS

Head Coach: Scott Ninnis
Assistant Coach: Richard Hill
2nd Assistant: Liam Flynn

Signed: Erik BURDON, David COOPER, Brad DAVIDSON, Jordan DODMAN, Brett MAHER, Adam BALLINGER [IMP], Brad HILL (South Dragons)

Free Agents: Shane BREHENY[DEV], Axel DENCHOPT, Brad GERLACH[DEV], Julius HODGE[IMP], Daniel LALIC[DEV], Neil MOTTRAM, Matt SUTTON

Leaving: Mike CHAPPELL[IMP]-CUT, Lanard COPELAND-RETIRED, Darren NG (Singapore Slingers)

[Da Houndawg #55]

Ah, OK. Wasn't aware that Burdon was already signed. That would make Sutton pretty unlikely I s'pose.

Although I do think he could be a stabilising force to our back-court depth with Hill and Burdon there, but you'd think another big and another 3 would be higher priorities.

[Double clutch]

Erik isn't signed yet.

Erik first game of ABL he dropped 36 and last weekend he dropped 41.

[grindog]

Ah, OK. Wasn't aware that Burdon was already signed. That would make Sutton pretty unlikely I s'pose.

Although I do think he could be a stabilising force to our back-court depth with Hill and Burdon there, but you'd think another big and another 3 would be higher priorities.


I don't think that Burdon hasnt been signed yet. As he was a development player last season, Im pretty sure the club would have announced if they were promoting him to the full list.

[meg]

His parents were big fans of The Animals, then? :lol:

[isaac]

http://www.lakelandwildlife.co.uk/images/darkcrick.gif

;)

[36ers]

Gee I've been slow in keeping up with the news, didn't even realise Ng had signed elsehwere. He was so improved during the season too. Cya Ng, very, very annoyed with you young man. What's the bet he comes crawling back when the Slingers fold?

Anyway, Hill is a GREAT signing as I was extremely disappointed when he left. I still think he's a super prospect. I also hope Sutton stays as he's a great defender and will only get better on the offensive end. He needs to back himself and drive to the basket more often. His outshot shot is pretty poor but he can make up for that as long as he's aggressive.

[Da Houndawg #55]

His outside shot has actually been pretty good statistically... but that's mainly because he's conservative and picks his spots.

Statistically Sutton's a better shooter than Hill was.

If Hill can get a bit more composure and settle down a little bit his penetration should be very helpful... had a bit of a problem with tunnel vision when he was looking to drive during his last time here.

[isaac]

Hound, agree re Sutton vs Hill and the tunnel vision comment.

[Da Houndawg #55]

I think with how Burdon's been going at ABA level I think Sutts could have his work cut out for him (although I don't see it as an either/or) but with Hill and Burdon as our back-court depth and last year seeing multiple injuries to Maher and Davidson missing time with an incident himself... I think we could still use what Sutton can provide. Quality D, composure and a guy who does the right thing in terms of the team offense (aside from recognizing and exploiting personal mis-matches).

But, as I said, there's higher priorities first.

Get that big and that import 3/2 first.

[sixers33]

Channel 10 has reported that Sixers have signed Luke Schenscher to a one year deal.

So we currently have...

C Schenscher/Cooper
F Ballinger/...........
F Holmes/Hill
G ........./ Maher
G Davidson/.........

3 Spots to fill.. One import slot left. Burdon and Dodman to fill the last two spots?

[grindog]

Channel 10 has reported that Sixers have signed Luke Schenscher to a one year deal.

So we currently have...

C Schenscher/Cooper
F Ballinger/...........
F Holmes/Hill
G ........./ Maher
G Davidson/.........

3 Spots to fill.. One import slot left. Burdon and Dodman to fill the last two spots?

I would think Maher more likely to share the point with Hill the back up guard, especially if its Hodge as they both like to drive.

Press conference at the club tomorrow.

[meg]

http://www.lakelandwildlife.co.uk/images/darkcrick.gif

;)

Thank you! :lol:

[Stumps]

Channel 10 has reported that Sixers have signed Luke Schenscher to a one year deal.
Very clever. That means the next season they get to sign him for his "real" calculated rating minus a two-point discount. Expect to see a lot more like this with the new points cap rules (negotiating a deal for a one-year formal contract with a "handshake" or an "understanding" for further years to be signed up as soon as the first one is over).

[Voice(s)]

You're not sore are ya stumpy? I would've thought it was Schenscher and his people that liked the look of a one year deal.

Oh yeah...Go team! :?

[Stumps]

You're not sore are ya stumpy?
Eh? What would I be sore about?

I would've thought it was Schenscher and his people that liked the look of a one year deal.
Why? He could get a longer-term one with outclauses if freedom to take a Euro/NBA offer was a concern.

[isaac]

He wanted outs for 10-days but I don't think the club liked that idea. It could be that something like that might be negotiated after a season proving himself or he might like to try his luck next year by staying a free agent, re-trying the D-League, etc.

I'd say that a single year deal might suit both parties just fine.

[curious]

So where is Mottram going?
Is Dench still on the roster?

[jonno]

judging by botys article sounds like they want to add another decent guard and mentioned aaron bruce as a target.
Im not sure how many points they have left but it wouldnt be many around 8 i think, so i guess if they get Bruce, he would be a 3, returning from college they still have 5 points to use on the back up PF spot or if they have less im sure they would sign a rookie or Dodman to fill that role, i would like to see the 36ers go with an 11 man squad if possible, adding say Bruce, Dodman and Burdon, i like the SA content the 36ers are building if they go with that 11, 6 of them would be SA born and bread

C Schenscher/Cooper
PF Ballinger/?? Dodman
SF Holmes/Hill
SG ?? Hodge/Maher/Burdon
PG Davidson/??Bruce

That squad looks great to me, a great young core of players, many SA based and should be play off material atleast, if we get Hodge i say that squad should push for top 4, assuming Bruce and Schenscher live up to their hype

[isaac]

No idea re Mottram, but has two friends in Jacob and Luke on the roster, FWIW.

Not sure if Dench will be back. Have seen one usually in the know say 'yes' while others say 'no chance'.

[sixers33]

http://www.adelaide36ers.com/36ers/media/news/407/

[Stumps]

This makes Schenscher the tallest player in NBL history, right?

[isaac]

Eversteyn was also 216cm I think.

[Judge_Dredd]

This makes Schenscher the tallest player in NBL history, right?

Until Sam Harris arrives back in Oz. Although we'll mainly see him seated.

[curious]

No idea re Mottram, but has two friends in Jacob and Luke on the roster, FWIW.
Not sure if Dench will be back. Have seen one usually in the know say 'yes' while others say 'no chance'.
Dench would a be a cheap player for any team as I would imgaine the Tigers are still paying off their 3 year contract for him. :oops:

[DDFan]

No idea re Mottram, but has two friends in Jacob and Luke on the roster, FWIW.Scotty's secretly gunning for Heal as the Aussie guard coup? Ooops, my bad.
Not sure if Dench will be back. Have seen one usually in the know say 'yes' while others say 'no chance'.OK, well who do we believed? The one, or the others?
Dench would a be a cheap player for any team as I would I'm-gaine the Tigers are still paying off their 3 year contract for him. :oops:Get a grip Tarzan.
Sorry, but I can't recall you bringing that up before, especially when the exhumers were having a dig at the back-Phil-ers.
Don't get me wrong, I thought & still think that Axel was a great signing, for the very reason that you have only now brought to anyone's attention.
BTW, if the Tigs're still paying out his contract, would that be included in their cap expenditure?

[isaac]

No, it doesn't count against their cap.

[grindog]

[quote="isaac"]No idea re Mottram, but has two friends in Jacob and Luke on the roster, FWIW.
quote]

I beleive Jake was Motts best man, so you would think there would be some sort of appeal to play together.

I struggle to see anyway Motts can fit in the cap tho. Ive been trying all arvo to work out a way they would fit him. (yes, I am having a slow arvo)

[sixers33]

IF sixers can get Hodge back, and sign someone like Bruce, i would rate them highly.

1 Melbourne
2 Dragons
3 Adelaide
4 Brisbane (if retaining Mackinnon, Rychart, Bruton)
5 Perth

[angry ant]

The 36ers are in negotiations with Ryan Kersten-
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23595831-5006371,00.html

THE Adelaide 36ers next week expect to announce the NBL club's newest signing is former North guard Ryan Kersten as the league undergoes a minor upheaval.

He was pretty good in limited opportunities last season for the Breakers so a good signing for the 36ers.

[curious]

Currently playing to the Albury Bandits in the SEABL.
A tough ask for Kersten playing in a young side that only secured their first win last weekend Vs Canberra.
His current SEABL stats are here.
http://www.sportingpulse.com/nf/team_in ... 65-4362794 (http://www.sportingpulse.com/nf/team_info.cgi?player=Ryan%20Kersten&action=PSTATS&pID=188554731&client=1-3363-0-64565-4362794)

[angry ant]

http://www.sportingpulse.com/nf/team_info.cgi?player=Ryan%20Kersten&action=PSTATS&pID=188554731&client=1-3363-0-64565-4362794
Pretty impressive, but 5.4 turnovers a game is a little worrying. :(

[ash_24]

http://www.sportingpulse.com/nf/team_info.cgi?player=Ryan%20Kersten&action=PSTATS&pID=188554731&client=1-3363-0-64565-4362794
Pretty impressive, but 5.4 turnovers a game is a little worrying. :(
And his assist-TO ratio, for a PG, is terrible.....

[Clips]

In his defence, he's not playing with much support. Similar to Dwayne Wade this season I would imagine.

[isaac]

His ratio in the NBL was better - 1.9:1.0. Also, in Adelaide, there is enough strength at PG that we can drip-feed him the time he's earned or making use of. He's talented, but needs help with his conditioning which I'd say he recognises. For a single point under the cap, he's a decent pick-up IMO. Unlike a few past back-up points in Adelaide (Williams, Sutton, etc) he appears to play without nerves as well and is quite entertaining to watch.

[Diamond dog]

Having seen most of Ryan's game in seabl this season his Turnover rate hasn't been influenced by his support or lack of support, but more by his at times poor decision making

[isaac]

Is it that he's very casual? That was one thing I noticed about his time on court at the Breakers - quite a few casual one-handed passes, etc.

[Diamond dog]

He penetrates baseline alot without having options as to what he is going to do with the ball, entry passes to the bigs at times also has resulted in TO's. Fair point at times the passes may be a little casual, from what is thought to be NBL stadard point guard the execution of a good entry pass to good bigs would be their bread and butter. Another area that he has racked TO's in has been when he penetrates and trys to pitch to open shooters, often missing the target.

[isaac]

Thanks for the info. Didn't see a lot of those sorts of mistakes in his NBL season (at least, not that I can recall) but then he wasn't playing a lot of minutes. Adelaide have a number of options at PG next season, so we won't be too reliant on him in case he doesn't contribute much.

[inebriated]

WE have a fairly solid team building but we need an energetic athletic point scorer.

ATM cant see that in the mix

[Tstew]

In regards to Julius Hodge,

How close is he to signing with the 36ers or the Tigers for that matter.

The guys D-league stats are very impressive,

In 16 regular season games he averaged: 23.7ppg
8rpg
6apg

The clubs after him must have a fair bit of cash to splash around.

[isaac]

Doubt he'd know whether an NBA team wanted him for a while yet.

[isaac]

Boti: "Adelaide is unlikely to face a fine for talking with contracted Brisbane guard Adam Gibson in the NBL off-season despite the New Zealand Breakers being hit with a $5000 penalty yesterday."
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/stor ... 71,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23631571-5006371,00.html)

[Silencer83]

The key factors being that Gibson had "written approval" and Adelaide backed off as soon as the Bullets found a new owner.
Good decision by the league if this the case.

Wildcats could be a bit different, they could use the second part of the argument but it is doubtful they could argue the first.

[grindog]

So with 8 guys signed and an Import to come. How many points do we have left for the 10th man?

[sixers33]

Last Seasons Lineup (prior to Hodge signing)
C Mottram/Cooper
F Ballinger/Dench
F Chappell/Copeland
G Maher/Ng
G Davidson/Sutton

This Seasons Lineup
C Schenscher/Cooper
F Ballinger/???? (6 point player possibly Rigby/Stiff)
F Holmes/Hill
G Import/Maher
G Davidson/Kersten

Dev: Dodman/Burdon

Schenscher - Mottram : Improvement
Holmes - Chappell : Improvement
Hill - Copeland : Improvement
Kersten - Ng : Downgrade (Yes he is a point guard, and better at bringing up the ball, but Ng played very well last year)

So far, all improvements, and if we can sign Hodge, that's a team that can finish Top 6.

[angry ant]

F Holmes/Hill
Isn't Hill a PG?

[sixers33]

F Holmes/Hill
Isn't Hill a PG?

No, he is a SG, but who else would you put as Backup SF?

[Shannon Noll]

This Seasons Lineup
C Schenscher/Cooper
F Ballinger/???? (6 point player possibly Rigby/Stiff)
F Holmes/Hill
G Import/Maher
G Davidson/Kersten

So far, all improvements, and if we can sign Hodge, that's a team that can finish Top 6.

If you sign Hodge you should be Top 4 if not Top 3.

[Voice(s)]

This Seasons Lineup
C Schenscher/Cooper
F Ballinger/???? (6 point player possibly Rigby/Stiff)
F Holmes/Hill
G Import/Maher
G Davidson/Kersten

Dev: Dodman/Burdon

I admit I haven't been following the Sixers off-season too hard and someone correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression neither Burdon or Dodman can be development players with us next season because they both have played as one for two seasons each, two seasons being the maximum you can spend as a DP with one team? I thought the signing of Kersten made it official that both Sutton and Burdon could not play with us next season.

Also I don't have much idea on the validity of the Rigby/Stiff suggestions but again I was under the impression the starting SG spot would be Hodge (or another import) and it was between Dench and Dodman for the backup PF/C spot with Ninnis supposedly leaning towards Ench?

[sixers33]

you would know more than me :P

[isaac]

Schenscher - Mottram : Improvement
Holmes - Chappell : Improvement
Hill - Copeland : Improvement
Kersten - Ng : Downgrade

That's fine, except going via your roster depth, Kersten is replacing Sutton, and an import is replacing Ng (with Maher possibly shifted to the bench). I don't believe the back-up PF will be Dench. Either way, they seem to have upgraded at most positions so it will come down to team chemistry and how well each player performs.

Or you could do a comparison based on the team at the end of the season with Hodge.

[DDFan]

Guys, the new season looks extremely promising. I've just received official notice from no less than the 36er's Operations Manager, that my volunteer services aren't required for the coming season. To bring you up to speed, last season they advertised for volunteers that could help out week-days for practice session duties. That call was answered by 2 people, who were able to commit to 2 days apiece.
Management's now decided that only 1 person should do the volunteer work, & amazingly the position's already been filled. I'm not aware of it being advertised, so major kudos to the guy who put his hand up. That there don't seem to be any contingency plans, he's obviously very reliable.
Great recruiting.

note: post edited, now more concise.

[DDFan]

Or you could do a comparison based on the team at the end of the season with Hodge.Please, you be the first.

[isaac]

Article by Boti today says that Ninnis is still confident of getting Julius Hodge if he isn't successful in getting a contract with an NBA team: http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/stor ... 28,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23662412-12428,00.html)
"The feedback and conversations have been ongoing and positive," Ninnis said about his dialogue with Hodge.

"He's almost certain he'll make it back to the NBA.

"But Julius has indicated he wants to be a Sixer if he plays in Australia. I was pretty happy to hear that."
The article also talks about a focus on strength and conditioning (as per previous seasons) using advice from the Crows, and a specific focus on defense.

Mentions, as well, morning sessions with Academy guys and the like:
The training groups are Erik Burdon, Brad Gerlach, Matt Sutton, Michael Zorich; Jordan Dodman, Peter Hoban, Brad Bungey; Jason Reardon, Luke Mapunda; Anthony Spadavecchia, Harry Harvey, Rory Craddock; Andrew Braham, Ben Howell, Kurtis Phillips; Daniel Lalic, Shane Breheny, Zane Reeves; Matt Dubrich, Bradley Reid.

[DDFan]

To my knowledge, strength & conditioning wasn't based on the Crows' system last season.
Isaac, you've got the word, spill it. :P

[isaac]

If the Crows were tapped for advice last season, I would've written "using advice from the Crows (as per previous seasons)". Instead, I was noting that it was the S&C focus that wasn't new. Hope that's clearer.

[DDFan]

I ask again, where did the strength & conditioning guidelines come from last season?

[DDFan]

Self moderated. Post removed.

[isaac]

Ex-Sabres benchie Nick Tamm was involved. Previously there's been input from ex-Sabres manager Tony Rocca, and inForm.

[DDFan]

Ex-Sabres benchie Nick Tamm was involved. Previously there's been input from ex-Sabres manager Tony Rocca, and inForm.
Cool, I didn't know that.
While you're running hot, which of the other 2 volunteers from last year got the chop? Or have we all been made redundant by Potsie's autoperson? :P

[isaac]

Replaced by a troupe of well-trained rats.

[isaac]

Word is the rats are doing an exceptional job.

http://images.wikia.com/muppet/images/2/26/MuppetShowRats.jpg

[DDFan]

Word is the rats are doing an exceptional job.

http://images.wikia.com/muppet/images/2/26/MuppetShowRats.jpg

Mmmmmmmmmmmm. I was told the 36ers weren't training till July.
I guess the boys from the pump room got it wrong. :P

[sixers33]

A civilised discussion would be nice please.

So how about that Power Forward spot, nine points to use, who would you sign?