South Dragons Off-Season Thread

[Diddy4Three]

These are the big issues to be discussed.

1. Who will coach us in 2008/09

2. Who will be on the roster next season?

3. Will there be any other major changes made by Cowan? E.g venue, sponsorship, front office positions?

[isaac]

Who got your club MVP, BTW?

[basketballer999]

jacob did

[isaac]

Good choice!

[Diddy4Three]

Jacob Holmes was last night awarded Most Valuable Player for season 2007/08 at the Crazy John's South Dragons' end of season gala, with teammate Nathan Herbert named Most Improved Player after a stellar debut year.

At the Dragons' night of nights it was Holmes who stole the show, also claiming the Members' Choice award for most popular personality this season.

http://www.southdragons.com.au

[kc4mvp]

Jacob Holmes was last night awarded Most Valuable Player for season 2007/08 at the Crazy John's South Dragons' end of season gala, with teammate Nathan Herbert named Most Improved Player after a stellar debut year.

At the Dragons' night of nights it was Holmes who stole the show, also claiming the Members' Choice award for most popular personality this season.

http://www.southdragons.com.au

Did Heal get dragons Coach of the Year award

[boz_novocastrian]

dragons should have a backup plan for ingles in case he goes to the nba/europe after the nba draft

[jinglebells]

Jacob Holmes - HACK! This guy's the captain and they don't even sell his singlets in the shop. Looks to struggle. Grow some balls. A forward scared to go in the paint. most overrated player on the roster.

Matthew Burston - coming of age. quite effective when actually fed the ball and works well with martin. Knows how to rebound. bonus!

Joe Ingles - need i say anything. just needs to control himself and mature a bit more.

Luke Martin - feeds the post well and creates oppurtunites. quite often changes the tempo of the game as he doesn't elect to jack up 3's as expected from our guards. Finds open oppurtunities. selfless.

Matthew Shanahan - thank god his gone.

Nathan Herbert - don't believe he made the most of his oppurtunities this year.

Brent Hobba - who? yeah give the guy some minutes so he can blow out the nerves. fights for his minutes and goes hard yet still gets to shine the pine with his ass. underutilised.

Brad Hill - looking forward to seeing him prove himself.

Nick Horvath - looked clumsy early on though cant help but feel for the guy. second chance but worth keeping if naturalised.

Bakari Hendrix - expected more. got fire which is something we need considering we have a pansy at the 4 spot( cough...holmes..cough). perhaps under a better system and coach could be more effective.

Cortez Groves - didn't live up to expectation. hit a patch and never really came good. again maybe under a new system and coach that can guide and motivate he might deliver. could be on thin ice.

[angry ant]

with teammate Nathan Herbert named Most Improved Player after a stellar debut year.how could he win most improved if it's his first season???

[angry ant]

PG: Jason Crowe
SG: Aaron Grabau
SF: Joe Ingles
PF: Jacob Holmes
C: Rick Rickert
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PG: Luke Martin
SG: Nathan Herbert
SF: Darren Ng
PF: Blagoj Janev
C: Matt Burston
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Shannon Seebohm
Brent Hobba
Rhys Carter

[jinglebells]

yeah figure that one out?? i guess those almost 4 points per game really pleased. What about Burston. Had a better year.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Personally I think Hobba's better than Janev and between Nathan Herbert and Darren Ng I'd be thinking Herbert is closer to the 3, Darren's going to get beasted on by some of the 3s out there.

If anything I don't think Nathan Herbert got enough opportunities. He had a huge game here in Adelaide when Cortez Groves was out and instead of keeping his confidence up by playing him, Heal sat him for weeks.

The only way I'd say Jacob Holmes is currently overrated is if you go solely by the fact that he won Club MVP rather than Ingles, other than that he's very under the radar.

[MLS]

Anyone know if there's any substance to the rumours of Holmes going back to Adelaide? I hope not.

[Anfield]

My "no sitting on the fence" opinion for the make up of the roster. Feel free to agree or disagree.

BURSTON: Had a great season after injury problems. He is the Aussie centre we always wanted. Starting centre for '08/09.

INGLES: If undrafted, should step up his game next season and look to be a more consistent performer. Has the potential to one of the most complete players in the NBL.

MARTIN: Very impressive in his debut season for the Dragons. Should be given more minutes. Probably not up to a starting level but more than handy off the bench.

SEEBOHM: Health first, basketball second. Hopefully we'll see him on court sometime in the future.

SHANAHAN: I agree. Thank god he's gone.

GROVES: Showed at times what he is capable of this season but overall a massive dissapointment. I'd say it's worth giving him another season especially without Heal to argue with for the ball. At his best is one of the NBL's best.

HENDRIX: Hasn't done enough this season to warrant a return next season. Imports need to be putting up 20 and 10 consistently an occasionally being the match winner. Would be very surprised if he's around next season.

HERBERT: Revelation of the season. Plucked from obscurity, he has proved a handy player off the bench. But for the upcoming season, I can't see him being more than a 8-9 man on the roster.

HILL: Same as Seebohm. Health first, basketball second. Hope he can deliver on the promising form he showed in Adelaide. To be seen whether he can play big minutes off the bench or just be a 9-10 man.

HOBBA: Again, under-utilised. Every time he hit the floor, something happened. More often than not, a 3 pointer was nailed. Again, he will be good off the bench for instant offence as a 7-8 man. This past season really hindered his development into a good 6th man.

HOLMES: A great blue collar worker. He'll never be a star but he plays his role quite perfectly. Needs to expand on a very limited repetoire. Good enough to start again in '08.

HORVATH: I vaguely remember bagging him constantly at the start of last season but it's been that long ago that I can't really remember much. Should be a very good "Aussie" player off the bench.

From this analysis, the only players to depart here are Hendrix and Shanahan.

We need to sign an import power forward.

Perhaps an Aussie point guard because neither Groves or Ingles IMO are natural point guards. I don't think Luke Martin is good enough to start. This being the case, Ingles would be pushed to the 3 and Holmes to the bench.

If that point guard wasn't signed and Ingles played the point, I'd prefer Holmes to play at the 3 so that he's not undersized, giving Dragons a very big frontcourt.

If the point guard was signed, we'd have a very strong bench and nothing would need to be added here. If Ingles started at point and Holmes at the 3, we would need to sign a very solid backup swingman.

C: BURSTON
PF: Import PF
SF: INGLES
SG: GROVES
PG: Aussie PG

Holmes, Martin, Horvath, Hobba, Hill, Herbert, Seebohm

OR

C: BURSTON
PF: Import PF
SF: HOLMES
SG: GROVES
PG: INGLES

Martin, Horvath, Backup Swingman, Hobba, Hill, Herbert, Seebohm

Either scenario would give us a very strong starting 5 and strong bench.

[sixers33]

Try and get a coach you won't cut during the season :wink:

[jake3]

yeah figure that one out?? i guess those almost 4 points per game really pleased. What about Burston. Had a better year.
Can be interpreted as MIP throughout the season if they want it to be.

[havrilla the gorilla]

I realised you guys were not joking about Holmes winning MVP as I scrolled down the page....wow did those guys reek this season or what. Even past wooden spoon teams have had one consistent player or an import performing highly at least. These guys need a massive cleanout that can't come fast enough. A point guard first and foremost amongst others. If I was Mark Cowan:

RETAIN: Ingles, Horvath, Seebohm, Burston

RELEASE: Groves, Hendrix, Martin, Hobba

RETIRED: Heal, Shanahan

IF YOU CAN'T FIND ANYONE BETTER KEEP: Herbert, Holmes, Hill

For the Jason Crowe fans, please send him back to the New Zealand League where he can hog the offence and turn the ball over at will. Don't let him anywhere near a wooden spoon outfit. A Possible Team for 08/09:

PG : IMPORT
SG: Possible Free Agent/IMPORT
C: Horvarth if he is ready to go
SF: Jingles
PF: Probably Holmes(cringe) or IMPORT if an Australian is found
BENCH
Seebohm if healthy
Burston
3 Australian players(quality signing from AIS, a Bradshaw or a Loughton)

[Knox_team]

todays heralds-sun says that Jacob Holmes is set to return to Adelaide and play for the 36ers next season.

[Diddy4Three]

todays heralds-sun says that Jacob Holmes is set to return to Adelaide and play for the 36ers next season.

Disappointing... Might have to change my username :oops:

So is the rumoured BG announcement 2morro going to happen?

[Poida]

Just reported in the Perth thread....

Just on the news

Mark Worthington has rejected the Wildcats offer and is likely heading to the Dragons.

[stellation]

Stupid fucking Brian!

[DICKO]

Just reported in the Perth thread....

Just on the news

Mark Worthington has rejected the Wildcats offer and is likely heading to the Dragons.

Yeah.....I hope so....But there's another player in the Wortho game, and they have been known to throw some serious money around in the past.

Not done yet.

[Cram]

Really hope its not the Tigers. Wouldnt be able to handle not liking my teams two best players...

[jinglebells]

Any idea on when more info will be available regarding wortho. How close to a signing. Hope cowan and goorg can seal it soon

[coast2coast]

Just reported in the Perth thread....

Just on the news

Mark Worthington has rejected the Wildcats offer and is likely heading to the Dragons.

Yeah.....I hope so....But there's another player in the Wortho game, and they have been known to throw some serious money around in the past.

Not done yet.

Cairns

[gangsta boo]

lalz

[gangsta boo]

The South Dragons have backed up their appointment of Brian Goorjian with snaring the biggest name on the market and inking Mark Worthington to a deal. The Dragons have also stolen Mika Vukona away from the New Zealand Breakers
Worthington was on the verge of signing with the Cairns Taipans last weekend, but was swayed after a last ditch effort from the Dragons got the 24-year old to fly South, made easier after the signing of Goorjian earlier in the week
The Dragons have also signed workman like warrior Mika Vukona to shore up their frontline.

from gaze.com.au

[Diddy4Three]

:D Great News! Will be great to see Ingles and Wortho playing together!

Also like the Vukona signing! He's a rebounding machine!

[boz_novocastrian]

could it be possible starting lineup of

pg: groves (if retained)
sg: ingles (if not drafted)
sf: vukona
pf: worthington
c: horvath

[Diddy4Three]

could it be possible starting lineup of

pg: groves (if retained)
sg: ingles (if not drafted)
sf: vukona
pf: worthington
c: horvath

Vukona is probably better suited to a 6th man role.

Also, if Horvath gets naturalised (any news on this of late?) we will have another import spot.

What's Aaron Bruce doing next season?

[boz_novocastrian]

could it be possible starting lineup of

pg: groves (if retained)
sg: ingles (if not drafted)
sf: vukona
pf: worthington
c: horvath

Vukona is probably better suited to a 6th man role.

Also, if Horvath gets naturalised (any news on this of late?) we will have another import spot.

What's Aaron Bruce doing next season?

bruce i feel it will either be the nbl or europe as he wont get drafted at this stage. but if he goes thru the pre-draft camp routine he may be in with a shot but it is a very long shot at that

[Virus]

could it be possible starting lineup of

pg: groves (if retained)
sg: ingles (if not drafted)
sf: vukona
pf: worthington
c: horvath

Wouldn't it more likely be:

Draper (if rerturning to the NBL)
Bruce (rumoured to have signed)
Ingles
Wortho
Horvath

I can't imagine Goorjian signing Groves, as he doesn't seem to play hard enough defence to survive in Goorjian coached team

[boz_novocastrian]

ah k virus. but i say he (bruce) would be crazy to not have a nba or europe out clause

[Poida]

We might only go with 1 import, and try to bring in Bruce, who would be a 3.....just to get under the points cap. I wouldn't mind this at all.

[Diddy4Three]

We might only go with 1 import, and try to bring in Bruce, who would be a 3.....just to get under the points cap. I wouldn't mind this at all.

Ok that sounds good! I'm excited about Bruce!

Poida, do you know who we still have signed from last season and what points they are worth (internally)?

I've been trying to make a mock roster on excel but not sure which players I HAVE I have to put in...

[havrilla the gorilla]

I can't imagine Goorjian signing Groves, as he doesn't seem to play hard enough defence to survive in Goorjian coached team


Hint: From what I have heard think Aussie for your point..... :wink:

[Stumps]

You might have to gib son more clues.

[gangsta boo]

That roster has gone from zero to hero in days :? and with more surprises and shocks :( in store

[havrilla the gorilla]

You might have to gib son more clues.

Incorrect grammar and spacing....I'm shocked you would make that sacrifice for a clever play on words. And you could really confuse some people who don't quite get it. The first PM I get asking me to give some more clues is getting forwarded to you :P

[havrilla the gorilla]

That roster has gone from zero to hero in days :? and with more surprises and shocks :( in store


You couldn't have been expecting anything less surely?

[boz_novocastrian]

if they go for gibson, is there really a need to go for a draper as they are pretty much the same position - pg

[gangsta boo]

[quote="gangsta boo":2qj7at4n]That roster has gone from zero to hero in days :? and with more surprises and shocks :( in store


You couldn't have been expecting anything less surely?[/quote:2qj7at4n]

Well in such short notice it is a bit crazy - its like a fucking All Star roster

[gangsta boo]

if they go for gibson, is there really a need to go for a draper as they are pretty much the same position - pg

well they'd need a backup regardless - Gibbo would not start

[Stumps]

if they go for gibson, is there really a need to go for a draper as they are pretty much the same position - pg
You could have said the same about Kendall and Draper last season.

[Dunkin' Dan]

Well in such short notice it is a bit crazy - its like a (Extremely Naughty Word!) All Star roster
Well, you were on the right end of the Boomers factor for quite a few years. Only fair that it gets shared around a little.

[Stumps]

That's some Boomers factor that lures Mika Vukona!

[rjd]

Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

they got gibson, smith, worthington, hill, vukona, herbert, horvath (naturalised), ingles, burston... and...........

where is Sam Mackinnon playing next season :wink:

[gangsta boo]

And introducing the South BulletKings

[rjd]

I'd go after Bruce harder than Gibson. He's better than Gibson, and better value too at just 3 points. Though Gibson has the better D. Goorj hasn't been without a strong defensive guard for a very long time.

A few things might attract him to the Dragons:
- He appears to be well off the NBA radar now, and he may not get a Euro offer as an import.
- He's from Horsham, Victoria, so he's close to family.
- He'd be playing under Goorj.
- He'd get plenty of minutes.

[Dunkin' Dan]

- He'd be playing under Goorj.
If they went with Gibson instead, wouldn't he also be playing under Goorj? :wink:

Bruce would also come cheaper in terms of points, which is always going to be an attractive factor to a stacked team.

[rjd]

Sorry, that bit wasn't meant to be a comparison between Bruce and Gibson.

[Dunkin' Dan]

Ahh, fair enough. Lazy reading by me there.
I agree that it would be the logical choice for him if he ends up in the NBL next season, which I hope he does.

[pj]

ah k virus. but i say he (bruce) would be crazy to not have a nba or europe out clause

The NBA out clause is easy
but the European one is pretty difficult to obtain.

[boz_novocastrian]

ah ok pj. yeah rjd. that is what i feel pts wise the dragons would be tight

gibson at an 8, bruce would be a 3 and as wortho is 2 more pts than holmes, groves gone thats an extra 9 points and vukona replaces groves pts so it means they can get a 6 pt player such as grabau or robbins

[jman13]

The South Dragons have backed up their appointment of Brian Goorjian with snaring the biggest name on the market and inking Mark Worthington to a deal. The Dragons have also stolen Mika Vukona away from the New Zealand Breakers
Worthington was on the verge of signing with the Cairns Taipans last weekend, but was swayed after a last ditch effort from the Dragons got the 24-year old to fly South, made easier after the signing of Goorjian earlier in the week
The Dragons have also signed workman like warrior Mika Vukona to shore up their frontline.

from gaze.com.au

THIS IS TRUE... the deals have been done with Mika and Wortho... EXPECT an announcement this TUESDAY (8th)

[jman13]

they got gibson, smith, worthington, hill, vukona, herbert, horvath (naturalised), ingles, burston... and...........

where is Sam Mackinnon playing next season :wink:

Signs are promising ey! Sam MacKinnon was too expensive for the Dragons. He won't be coming! Apparently he wanted $200K. Dragons don't reckon he's worth more than $130K. Player points would have been an issue too.

[Dunkin' Dan]

THIS IS TRUE... the deals have been done with Mika and Wortho... EXPECT an announcement this TUESDAY (6th)
Tuesday 6th of May?

[havrilla the gorilla]

they got gibson, smith, worthington, hill, vukona, herbert, horvath (naturalised), ingles, burston... and...........

where is Sam Mackinnon playing next season :wink:

Signs are promising ey! Sam MacKinnon was too expensive for the Dragons. He won't be coming! Apparently he wanted $200K. Dragons don't reckon he's worth more than $130K. Player points would have been an issue too.


Is that Mick Hill along with Gibson or Brad Hill?(staying from last year) Source?

Last I heard Sam was waiting for the Bullets drama to work out, which is looking brighter apparently. I have no doubt he approached the Dragons just in case all else failed....I guess if he is too expensive and too points heavy he can still play for Brisbane providing it does in fact work out.

[Spike]

Little off topic BUT....With the addition of Goorj/Smith/Worto and retaining Ingles etc..... The South Dragons can add a few memberships id say, me and the lads are back (havent been members since the titans days were also magic members), dont get me wrong i have certainly attended dragons games here and there but i will now along with 5 other mates be buying a membership! Any idea when membership packs come out DICKO?

[DICKO]

Any idea when membership packs come out DICKO?

I can ask, but you do realise that LAST season only finished 3 weeks ago, yes?

I think we can officially give them a moment to work out the coach/plan/roster, etc......before we start hassling them about membership details for a season that is starting in 6-7 months, eh?

:D

[jman13]

THIS IS TRUE... the deals have been done with Mika and Wortho... EXPECT an announcement this TUESDAY (6th)
Tuesday 6th of May?

OOPS... sorry. I was looking at the current day's date. A press conference will be held as early as tomorrow.... the 8th of April. (I have edited my last post).

[Virus]

THIS IS TRUE... the deals have been done with Mika and Wortho... EXPECT an announcement this TUESDAY (6th)
Tuesday 6th of May?

OOPS... sorry. I was looking at the current day's date. A press conference will be held as early as tomorrow.... the 8th of April. (I have edited my last post).

Can the Dragons announce his signing at a press confrence if the Kings are challenging the signing and saying he is still contracted to them? Wouldn't they have to wait until the issue has been resolved and the NBL has approved it?

[kc4mvp]

Don't teams get fined for releasing signings which are not approved by them?

[MLS]

Little off topic BUT....With the addition of Goorj/Smith/Worto and retaining Ingles etc..... The South Dragons can add a few memberships id say, me and the lads are back (havent been members since the titans days were also magic members), dont get me wrong i have certainly attended dragons games here and there but i will now along with 5 other mates be buying a membership! Any idea when membership packs come out DICKO?

Last season it was mid-May, if that's any guide.

[MLS]

So how trustworthy is this Daniel Eade from gaze.com.au?

This article from yesterday's Herald Sun suggests that there could be some complications with any Worthington deal:


But the Kings intend to make a stand on Worthington.

"We see him as being contracted," Tomlinson said.

"He's also indicated he'd like to go and finish his Australian career - because he will go to play in Europe next year - with Brian (at the Dragons). But that's to be resolved."



Why do they want to have a player who clearly doesn't want to play for them?

[Homer]

One year remaining on a contract doesn't seem to matter, ask Brian. :wink:

[Cram]

So how trustworthy is this Daniel Eade from gaze.com.au?

This article from yesterday's Herald Sun suggests that there could be some complications with any Worthington deal:


But the Kings intend to make a stand on Worthington.

"We see him as being contracted," Tomlinson said.

"He's also indicated he'd like to go and finish his Australian career - because he will go to play in Europe next year - with Brian (at the Dragons). But that's to be resolved."



Why do they want to have a player who clearly doesn't want to play for them?

Because he's an MVP calibre player who's contract is probably worth considerably less than what he's currently being offered by other clubs. If he is 'forced' to stay, I'm sure he's professional enough to get on with the job.

[coast2coast]

So how trustworthy is this Daniel Eade from gaze.com.au?

This article from yesterday's Herald Sun suggests that there could be some complications with any Worthington deal:


But the Kings intend to make a stand on Worthington.

"We see him as being contracted," Tomlinson said.

"He's also indicated he'd like to go and finish his Australian career - because he will go to play in Europe next year - with Brian (at the Dragons). But that's to be resolved."



Why do they want to have a player who clearly doesn't want to play for them?


This could get quite interesting. If the Kings say he has a signed a contract and it has a year remaining, then If it has not been lodged with the NBL then the Kings are in fact in breach of NBL rules for not lodging any changes to the contract. If it has in fact been lodged with the NBL then I am sure there would be no dispute as to whether or not Worthington is a free agent.

The NBL could certainly throw this out immediately if in fact it was a contract signed some time ago and not lodged with the NBL. If the NBL has not in fact approved the contract in the first instance, then it is not valid in the NBL's eyes. Kings might not have a leg to stand.

[Stumps]

Well, theoretically the Kings could perhaps still pursue remedies against Worthington if the contract is legally valid but not recognised for the NBL's purposes.

[curious]

One year remaining on a contract doesn't seem to matter, ask Brian. :wink:
Who said Goorjian is out of his contract?
The Dragons seem happy to sign anyone ATM. maybe they need to ask a few more harder questions before getting people to sign pen to paper.
"Worthington, do you know if you have any outstanding contract issues with the Kings?" for example.
Answer : Yes.
"Brian. Do you know of......."
Answer :

stumps and curious, for 2 smart cookies, you really go over the top with all these little legal issues which in fact dont matter, never did matter, and wont matter

[King of Kings]

One year remaining on a contract doesn't seem to matter, ask Brian. :wink:

That is not over either. But players and coaches contract conditions are very different.

[Stumps]

stumps and curious, for 2 smart cookies, you really go over the top with all these little legal issues which in fact dont matter, never did matter, and wont matter
Gee, education envy much?

How is responding directly to coast2coast's intelligent post (in which "these little legal issues" were being discussed) with a possible suggestion in the same tone "going over the top"?

If you don't care or don't get it, shut up and stay out of it.

[Voice(s)]

Gee, education envy much?

Yeah obviously that's what it is. You know as well anyone on here that IF the Kings decided to take it further legally (outside of the NBL) in regards to Wortho then he'd clearly never play for the Kings again. I don't know the details of this now supposed new contract Worthington has with the Kings but it's certainly looking like sour grapes on the Kings behalf.

curious, Goorjian's gone get over it and look forward to the Tomlinson-era...again.

[kc4mvp]

Sorry, that bit wasn't meant to be a comparison between Bruce and Gibson.

How can I get a copy of your epitah, cool as a mule

[Stumps]

Gee, education envy much?
Yeah obviously that's what it is. You know as well anyone on here that IF the Kings decided to take it further legally (outside of the NBL) in regards to Wortho then he'd clearly never play for the Kings again.
Do you think that's the only remedy available for breach of contract? I have no idea what the Kings are doing, but there are ways they can be compensated for an alleged breach beyond just forcing Worthington to serve out the contract.

[curious]

stumps and curious, for 2 smart cookies, you really go over the top with all these little legal issues which in fact dont matter, never did matter, and wont matter
Why is a "little issue" that a player has (allegedly) signed another contract whilst already contracted?

you make it sound so bad and serious, the kings cant afford to fight it, tough biccies

[fan since the old snakepit]

I remember having some discussion about cap issues on here after Sav signed with the Kings. A few replies mentioned that Wortho was on nowhere near the ammount I suggested (well conservatively guessed based on his ability) as he had signed for very little (comparitively) as he was fresh out of college and unproven at the time.
Is there now a suggestion that he signed a new contract, that I am assuming would have been for a lot more money, sometime in the last year or so. This brings a few things into question , things that appear to be in line with the typical NBL way of manageing things.
Was the contract lodged with them and if so why is he on the free agents list. If the contract was upgraded how did the Kings fit it all under the cap as the good Kings supporters on here have already explained how they were only under due to his low original contract. Was this contract something that was between him and the Kings only.
As usual no clarification on any of this will be forthcomming from those who are running the league.

[showtime]

Worthington is a dragon....to be announced today.

[jake3]

Horvath officially a Kiwi, so no longer an import.
Dragons looking good, and lucky.

[Stumps]

you make it sound so bad and serious, the kings cant afford to fight it, tough biccies
As I said, I don't know anything about this specific situation (if there is one), I was merely explaining the generic possibilities in response to somebody else who was doing the same in an educated manner. If you took that as a personal affront or chose to inject irrelevant emotion into it, then that's your ignorance, not mine.

[Earnie Shavers]

Done: http://www.southdragons.com.au/default. ... y&id=74719 (http://www.southdragons.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=74719)

[Stumps]

Prior to his signing with the Kings Worthington spent four years at Metropolitan State University, Minnesota.
Isn't Metro State in Denver?

[curious]

you make it sound so bad and serious, the kings cant afford to fight it, tough bicciesThe more pertinent question is can Worthington afford to fight it.

[Judge_Dredd]

Prior to his signing with the Kings Worthington spent four years at Metropolitan State University, Minnesota.
Isn't Metro State in Denver?

There is a Metropolitan State University in Minnesota. But Wortho and Kendall played for Metropolitan State College of Denver.

Seems like the "Crazy Johns South Dragons" PR person preferred Google to asking Wortho.

[DICKO]

Club announcement has just been released to Members

The Crazy John’s South Dragons today announced the recruitment of one of the biggest names in the NBL, with former Kings star Mark Worthington signed to the club to the end of the 2010/11 season.

Worthington joins the Dragons on the back of an outstanding year with the Sydney Kings in which he averaged 17.2 points, 6.5 rebounds and 2.6 assists.

His remarkable 2007/08 season was capped with selection to the All-NBL First Team.

At just 24 years of age, Worthington has already achieved success beyond his years. A veteran of two NBL grand final series and one semi-final showdown with the Kings, Worthington is also a current member of the Boomers squad and was part of the team to win gold at the 2006 Commonwealth Games.

The 2006 NBL Rookie of the Year joins 2007 Rookie of the Year Joe Ingles on the Dragons’ new-look roster.

The 202 centimetre, 95 kilogram forward said he was excited about the move and positive about the club’s future.

“I look at it as an opportunity for a new beginning for both the club and myself,” Worthington said.

“The enthusiasm the club has and the passion of the people running it, it’s a great chance to turn the club around and it’s already going in a positive direction with the signing of Brian Goorjian.

“Just talking to (Crazy John’s South Dragons chairman) Mark Cowan about what the club is putting into place, it will definitely go up three notches to where it was last year.

“Obviously I want to continue the success I had last season and I look forward to doing that in Dragons’ colours.”

Worthington said the recruitment of Goorjian to the club was one of the major reasons behind his decision to move south.

“Brian’s never done anything wrong by me, he’s always steered me in the right direction and I think this is another opportunity within a different environment for us to shine together,” he said.

“I just think it’s a great chance for us to do something special.”

Prior to his signing with the Kings Worthington spent four years at Metropolitan State University, Minnesota. In his time with the elite college team Worthington was named to the NABC All-American team and named NABC Division II Player of the Year.

Newly-appointed Crazy John’s South Dragons head coach Brian Goorjian said Worthington had fast become one of the most exciting talents on the Australian basketball scene.

"It’s an exciting time for the club because we have signed a great young player,” Goorjian said.

“He is NBL First Team and is a versatile, young, exciting talent.

“More than that he is a great club guy and offers a lot off the floor as well. He is an integral part of the Australian team, so altogether it’s a pretty good package."

Crazy John’s South Dragons chairman Mark Cowan said the signing of Worthington, touted as the premier player on this year’s NBL free agents list, was a massive coup for the club.

“This is a very big day for our basketball club,” Cowan said.

“Mark was clearly the marquee player on the free agents list, and on the back of signing Brian Goorjian, this is huge. He will no doubt be one of the cornerstones of our team next season.

“Like the rest of the squad he is still young at 24 years old, and that suits us just fine.”

Worthington joins Ingles, Matt Burston, Nathan Herbert and Nick Horvath on the Dragons’ new-season roster.

[DICKO]

Sorry....didn't see Earnie's link.

[Lemon Custard]

Prior to his signing with the Kings Worthington spent four years at Metropolitan State University, Minnesota.
Isn't Metro State in Denver?

Does the person who wrote this know anything international relationships with the league? He's gotta do some serious Goorj googling to figure this stuff out before the season starts. Could get awkward otherwise.

[glockers]

I am constructing a Wortho voodoo doll as we speak.

[kc4mvp]

I am constructing a Wortho voodoo doll as we speak.

Are you intending to sell them?

[isaac]

you make it sound so bad and serious, the kings cant afford to fight it, tough bicciesThe more pertinent question is can Worthington afford to fight it.

If Wortho can't, Cowan can. No point in being a stick in a mud - just let it go, Curious.

[curious]

Not being a stick in the mud at all.
The Kings have a signed contract and if Worthington is stupid enough to sign another one thats his problem and now the Dragons.
It won't be the Kings lawyers Worthington has to deal with, he already knows who he's dealing with.

[isaac]

1. Is it a contract or a HoA?
2. Do they really want to force him to stay and have him play half-arsed and miserable? Why would you? That'd ruin a team.

[Stumps]

Has anybody said they want him to stay? They may be looking for compensation.

[kc4mvp]

Its not an official contract until the NBL signs off on it.

Just as NBL release the Official Contract advice that hes playing for the Dragons

[curious]

1. Is it a contract or a HoA?
2. Do they really want to force him to stay and have him play half-arsed and miserable? Why would you? That'd ruin a team.
I have made no mention of what anyone wants nor expects. I am sure all that everyone wants is a speedy resolution to the matter.
There is a dispute as simple as that.

[Spike]

Curious GIVE IT UP mate... Wortho is a DRAGON, end of story!
Contract was obviously VOID after Goorjian's departure...end of story.
Jason Smith to follow to enjoy swallowing that.

[Shannon Noll]

Has anybody said they want him to stay? They may be looking for compensation.

Eat sh!t Stumps! Seems you're a Kings supporter, and your team is falling to pieces.

Sing it, Stumps: "I'M IN PIECES!! On what might've been Every night I spend sleepless Smokin' cigarettes till 3am In an empty bed and I cant get you out of my head!!"

Melbourne is better than Sydney.

[meg]

Oh shut up, franny! :lol:

[havrilla the gorilla]

Has anybody said they want him to stay? They may be looking for compensation.

Eat sh!t Stumps! Seems you're a Kings supporter, and your team is falling to pieces.

Sing it, Stumps: "I'M IN PIECES!! On what might've been Every night I spend sleepless Smokin' cigarettes till 3am In an empty bed and I cant get you out of my head!!"

Melbourne is better than Sydney.

Great post, most enjoyable. The last line dragged it down a little bit as it is basically unsubstantiated, but based on the other subject matter I can overlook it... :lol:

[Stumps]

franny and havrilla ... a match made in heaven.

[havrilla the gorilla]

franny and havrilla ... a match made in heaven.


Stumps and his ego....not enough room in heaven

[Stumps]

I wouldn't feel so superior if folks like you and franny didn't keep reminding me of your existence.

[Southern Joe]

1. Is it a contract or a HoA?
2. Do they really want to force him to stay and have him play half-arsed and miserable? Why would you? That'd ruin a team.


.... I would say that the Drags would be smart enuff NOT to announce a signing that wasn't ratified by the NBL.

[havrilla the gorilla]

I wouldn't feel so superior if folks like you and franny didn't keep reminding me of your existence.

I'm surprised you noticed we exist considering you have your head up your arse.

Lose the attempted humour - it doesn't work for you. Stick to stroking your over inflated ego with your pseudo intellect and using as many complicated words as possible to get your point across when posting to "feel superior"

[Stumps]

I'm surprised you noticed we exist considering you have your head up your arse.
Au contraire -- that's precisely how I keep noticing you.

Lose the attempted humour - it doesn't work for you.
It may not work as far as you're concerned, but that's because I aim it above the lowest common denominator. (If you think "lowest common denominator" consists of "complicated words", then that's a pretty sure sign that you belong to it.)

[havrilla the gorilla]

Au contraire -- that's precisely how I keep noticing you.

To quote a jerk: Nice I know you are but what am I comeback....

Ah - Hypocrisy at its best. You never fail to make me laugh at your expense. :lol:



It may not work as far as you're concerned, but that's because I aim it above the lowest common denominator. (If you think "lowest common denominator" consists of "complicated words", then that's a pretty sure sign that you belong to it.)

No...lowest common denominator consists of your mindset and the endless waffle you grace us with. Complicated doesn't equal intelligent so don't flatter yourself. Judged on the limited personality you exude and the extensive arrogance and contempt you have for others, I sense you belong to well below the lowest common denominator(once again to quote a jerk) based on how you portray yourself that is, rather than your distorted interpretation of me or others.

[Stumps]

Au contraire -- that's precisely how I keep noticing you.

To quote a jerk: Nice I know you are but what am I comeback....

Ah - Hypocrisy at its best. You never fail to make me laugh at your expense. :lol:
Er ... are you suggesting that I was saying you too have your head up your arse? No, I was saying that you're a piece of shit, which is completely different. Geez, I hate having to explain jokes to utter morons.

Complicated doesn't equal intelligent so don't flatter yourself.
I don't think what I'm saying is complicated. You keep saying it is, in response to the simplest things. That tells us all we need to know about your limited intellect.

Judged on the limited personality you exude and the extensive arrogance and contempt you have for others
Not for everybody, just for belligerent idiots.

I sense you belong to well below the lowest common denominator
What was that you were saying about "I know you are but what am I"?

Let's face it, you laughed at a franny "joke". That's all we need to know about you. Enjoy wading in a pile of your own drool.

[Knox_team]

it's a dragons thread- let's stick to that.

[havrilla the gorilla]

You're a broken record cockhead, and the reason you need to explain your shit is because of your piss poor articulation. You live in an alternate reality to everybody else who clearly posses basic social skills. I know your best friend is your computer but it has given you too much unfounded self confidence. Nothing you say makes sense, and your one-eyed Sydney Kings diatribe only proves this, yet others are morons who don't get your twisted point of view.

What was that you were saying about "I know you are but what am I"?.

Obviously the concepts or irony and sarcasm are lost on you. And I'm the moron?

Let's face it, you laughed at a franny "joke". That's all we need to know about you.
Who is we? Trying to evoke some support from the Stumps worshipers who post? Insecurity perhaps?
Take some of your own condescending advice and keep your potshots to yourself. I merely commented I enjoyed another persons post and I don't even know this Franny guy, but he sure has you worked out. Nice overreaction :lol:

Enjoy wading in a pile of your own drool..

Very clever! Was that one in the memory banks from Primary school, or did one of your IT nerd buddies E-mail that to you under the subject: "hilarious comebacks for forums"

[Mr T]

Thow these two boys in the octagon. I want a submission by the way of a guilotene choke!

[showtime]

it's a dragons thread- let's stick to that.

Agreed totally....

Mods - is there no way we can stop this constant b*tching??

Maybe give them their own thread where they can compare the size of their egos but leave the real thread for people that are actually interested in the topic at hand....

[Stumps]

I'm happy to let it drift back on topic. I clearly don't need to say any more in response to that -- his meathead posts speak for themselves.

[isaac]

If you'd stop responding to him, I wouldn't have to keep looking at John Rillie's face...

[Stumps]

I've got something new coming soon, don't worry.

[fahootie]

Well this thread turned nasty... :lol:

seems Kings fans don't like what is happening... :lol:

[Stumps]

Well this thread turned nasty... :lol:

seems Kings fans don't like what is happening... :lol:
Hey, don't let a total lack of evidence interrupt your masturbatory fantasy.

"Oh ... oh ... Kings fans ... yes!!!"

[meg]

Well this thread turned nasty... :lol:

seems Kings fans don't like what is happening... :lol:

Of course they don't! If I were a kings fan, I wouldn't like it either! I seem to remember some pretty angry posts from West Sydney fans when our team was decimated after a grand final loss, too, particularly after some dodgy contract avoidance (no, I haven't forgotten, JR!)
Sammy Mac's leaving prompted possibly my favourite post ever, too...(I'm paraphrasing here, because I can't find it, but something along the lines of)


...that pigeon toed, hairy backed, cock eyed ****!

[Stumps]

Personally, I don't mind what's happening at all, and I wonder where fahootie gets his little wet dream from. When you look at what Goorjian's departure and the management f**k-ups this season at the Kings could have precipitated, losing only Worthington and Smith (with the likelihood of some very nice replacements in the wings) is a pretty bloody good result.

[Mr_Black]

Personally, I don't mind what's happening at all, and I wonder where fahootie gets his little wet dream from. When you look at what Goorjian's departure and the management f**k-ups this season at the Kings could have precipitated, losing only Worthington and Smith (with the likelihood of some very nice replacements in the wings) is a pretty bloody good result.

Your team could easily have folded, so you are correct, but losing Goorj, Smith and Wortho is so far from a good result its not even funny.

[Stumps]

Personally, I don't mind what's happening at all, and I wonder where fahootie gets his little wet dream from. When you look at what Goorjian's departure and the management f**k-ups this season at the Kings could have precipitated, losing only Worthington and Smith (with the likelihood of some very nice replacements in the wings) is a pretty bloody good result.
Your team could easily have folded, so you are correct, but losing Goorj, Smith and Wortho is so far from a good result its not even funny.
Who said it's a good result? Obviously it's not as good as keeping all three, but that was so unlikely as to be almost out of the question. I'm just saying I'm nowhere near as cut up as fahootie obviously feels the need to believe. The team is retaining its identity and looking like fielding a competitive lineup next season. That's all we could have asked for, and it's a relief that it's going to happen. We're not going to be a championship-buying powerhouse like some other short-sighted cash-dispensing clubs, but I don't think most self-respecting long-time Kings fans would want us to be.

[curious]

Do you think that Goorj was always going to stay?
Or the fact that both players were FA (allegedly in one case) they would have hung around too?
Possibly one may have but unlikely both.
Certainly not a mass exodus as most were predicting.

[Silencer83]

Personally, I don't mind what's happening at all, and I wonder where fahootie gets his little wet dream from. When you look at what Goorjian's departure and the management f**k-ups this season at the Kings could have precipitated, losing only Worthington and Smith (with the likelihood of some very nice replacements in the wings) is a pretty bloody good result.

Your team could easily have folded, so you are correct, but losing Goorj, Smith and Wortho is so far from a good result its not even funny.

I think in the context of the doom and gloom surrounding the existence of the team and the mass exodus that was predicted. To only lose a player I believe was never going to play for anyone other than Goorj in the NBL (Wortho) and a Victorian native who followed Goorj up the coast for the sojourn to Sydney and is effectively returning home (Smith) it isn't a disasterous result.

Losing Goorj would hurt but I'm sure it will interesting to see how the team pulls together under a new coach.

[fahootie]

When you look at what Goorjian's departure and the management f**k-ups this season at the Kings could have precipitated, losing only Worthington and Smith (with the likelihood of some very nice replacements in the wings) is a pretty bloody good result.
Your team could easily have folded, so you are correct, but losing Goorj, Smith and Wortho is so far from a good result its not even funny.
Who said it's a good result?

ummm, I used a bold tag, so that you could see with your one eye. :lol:

[Stumps]

Ha ha -- that'll teach me to read up before replying!

As I pointed out in the bit you omitted, it's not a good result in isolation, but in the doom-and-gloom context (which I clearly explained when I used the term "good result"), it most certainly is.

[DoubleA]

Since the season has finished the majority of threads have just turned into a bunch of personal vendettas.

Highlighted by this curious/poida debacle.

[isaac]

To try and get this wreck on track, ex-Dragon Brad Hill has signed with the 36ers. Never really got a chance with South, but could have made quite the recovery after a 28/7/8 line in the Big V recently. Rates a 2 as well.

[Da Houndawg #55]

That's nice. Should get a crack with Ng gone as well.

There was a lot of hype out between the pair of them and potential.

Depending on Sutton's rank I'd look to bring him back for chemistry and to pack another ball handler and that should sort our guard depth out.

Look to bring in a penetrating swingman to open things up, either Hodge himself or Hodge style (if not Hodge someone who can stick the three as well, I'd be willing to give up some of that well-rounded game for a significantly better shooter)

Then we've got Ballinger, Cooper, Holmes... gonna need another big for some depth.

[giantfan]

That's nice. Should get a crack with Ng gone as well.

There was a lot of hype out between the pair of them and potential.

Depending on Sutton's rank I'd look to bring him back for chemistry and to pack another ball handler and that should sort our guard depth out.

Look to bring in a penetrating swingman to open things up, either Hodge himself or Hodge style (if not Hodge someone who can stick the three as well, I'd be willing to give up some of that well-rounded game for a significantly better shooter)

Then we've got Ballinger, Cooper, Holmes... gonna need another big for some depth.*Cough* thread title suggests this is the Dragons discussion thread not 36er's.

Any news on Smith and other potential signings?

[Da Houndawg #55]

That's nice. Should get a crack with Ng gone as well.

There was a lot of hype out between the pair of them and potential.

Depending on Sutton's rank I'd look to bring him back for chemistry and to pack another ball handler and that should sort our guard depth out.

Look to bring in a penetrating swingman to open things up, either Hodge himself or Hodge style (if not Hodge someone who can stick the three as well, I'd be willing to give up some of that well-rounded game for a significantly better shooter)

Then we've got Ballinger, Cooper, Holmes... gonna need another big for some depth.*Cough* thread title suggests this is the Dragons discussion thread not 36er's.

Any news on Smith and other potential signings?
I noticed... That's why I copied and pasted ith there afterwards. :wink:

[giantfan]

[quote="Da Houndawg #55":1j2o5byu]That's nice. Should get a crack with Ng gone as well.

There was a lot of hype out between the pair of them and potential.

Depending on Sutton's rank I'd look to bring him back for chemistry and to pack another ball handler and that should sort our guard depth out.

Look to bring in a penetrating swingman to open things up, either Hodge himself or Hodge style (if not Hodge someone who can stick the three as well, I'd be willing to give up some of that well-rounded game for a significantly better shooter)

Then we've got Ballinger, Cooper, Holmes... gonna need another big for some depth.*Cough* thread title suggests this is the Dragons discussion thread not 36er's.

Any news on Smith and other potential signings?
I noticed... That's why I copied and pasted ith there afterwards. :wink:[/quote:1j2o5byu]

Good stuff :wink:

[Lethal Vertical]

Since the season has finished the majority of threads have just turned into a bunch of personal vendettas.



Welcome to Ozhoops. Are you a newb here?

Anyway, don't talk about Poida. I still hate him. He refuses to accept that The Cage is the greatest stadium ever. From anywhere. Ever

[DoubleA]

Since the season has finished the majority of threads have just turned into a bunch of personal vendettas.



Welcome to Ozhoops. Are you a newb here?

Anyway, don't talk about Poida. I still hate him. He refuses to accept that The Cage is the greatest stadium ever. From anywhere. Ever

I cant remember it being this bad before.
Not to mention you're kinda fanning the fire here.

[Poida]

Since the season has finished the majority of threads have just turned into a bunch of personal vendettas.



Welcome to Ozhoops. Are you a newb here?

Anyway, don't talk about Poida. I still hate him. He refuses to accept that The Cage is the greatest stadium ever. From anywhere. Ever

You'll hate me even more when I turn up to the Cage next season to witness the Dragons smash the Tigers!! :lol: That's if I dont get hit by a tram on the way up to the stadium :wink:

Brad Hill is gone??? NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! !!!!

We tried so hard to get him minutes last season. Absolute tragedy! All the best Brad, this loyal band of supporters still supports you! :)

[The_Janitor]

So what are the chances of my boy Hobba staying? I'll be a shattered man if he's not coming back...

Plus is there any news on either Bruce or Gibbo?

[Lethal Vertical]

You'd have to think Hobba's chances are limited.

[Poida]

It sucks though. A young guy with great potential, stuck in a shithouse system for the past 2 years. If he's not retained, he'll definitely get picked up by a more stable club.

[Lethal Vertical]

Nup, I don't have big wraps on him, I doubt he'll ever make much of an impact in the NBL. He's 26 as well so calling him "young" is a bit of a strech, he should be getting somewhere near his prime by now at least.

I think it's more likely that people will look at him and say, he's had his chance and he blew it, if he couldn't deliver some decent stats and have some significant impact on a crap team like that, how's he going to help us?

[Diddy4Three]

Nup, I don't have big wraps on him, I doubt he'll ever make much of an impact in the NBL. He's 26 as well so calling him "young" is a bit of a strech, he should be getting somewhere near his prime by now at least.

I think it's more likely that people will look at him and say, he's had his chance and he blew it, if he couldn't deliver some decent stats and have some significant impact on a crap team like that, how's he going to help us?

In his defence, it's hard to 'make an impact' in 5 minutes every 3rd game...

[havrilla the gorilla]

Nup, I don't have big wraps on him, I doubt he'll ever make much of an impact in the NBL. He's 26 as well so calling him "young" is a bit of a strech, he should be getting somewhere near his prime by now at least.

I think it's more likely that people will look at him and say, he's had his chance and he blew it, if he couldn't deliver some decent stats and have some significant impact on a crap team like that, how's he going to help us?

Yep. Totally agree. Unless Poida knows something we don't, his performances speak for themselves. Some players are fantastic at ABA level for example, but just can't take the next step and perform at the NBL level. It doesn't mean they are bad, they just couldn't get the job done when the opportunity presented itself. Sure, they could do a lot worse than Hobba but there are better players out there to put in your best ten.

That is always the problem - look at the Dragons team from last year as a stand alone team, and they don't look that bad. Put them in the best open mens division in the country and they are wooden spooners. It's not what you have, it's how it compares to the other 12 teams.

Hey look at the bright side Poida, if the Dragons roster for next season keeps taking shape like it is you will be saying Brent who? before too long.

[Poida]

Nup, I don't have big wraps on him, I doubt he'll ever make much of an impact in the NBL. He's 26 as well so calling him "young" is a bit of a strech, he should be getting somewhere near his prime by now at least.

I think it's more likely that people will look at him and say, he's had his chance and he blew it, if he couldn't deliver some decent stats and have some significant impact on a crap team like that, how's he going to help us?

In his defence, it's hard to 'make an impact' in 5 minutes every 3rd game...

Exactly. LV once again demonstrating he has NFI 8)

I don't think no one cares if you have wraps on anyone LV :lol:

Harvilla, he could be heading up your way, the way the Bullets are going! :P (Sorry for the unintentional jibe at the Bullets current standing :oops: :) )

[DoubleA]

I like Hobba, hes a big that can shoot from distance and works tirelessly when hes on the court, I always wished that Heal would give him more minutes.

I'd be more than happy to have him as a back-up big man, as long as he compliments the teams structure, i.e: you'd need a banger of a 5 out there with him, but I would say its a shame if he leaves.

[Lethal Vertical]

Exactly. LV once again demonstrating he has NFI 8)

I don't think no one cares if you have wraps on anyone LV :lol:



Ha!

Havrilla said it- his performances speak for themselves.

He's just another hack fringe level big guy. Someone who'll have a decent impact at Big V/SEABL but won't do much in the NBL. You just have a man-crush on him because he's playing for the Dandelions.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Honestly, I'd say he'd be Goorjian's kind of guy.

Only thing will be whether they can get bigger names than him and he gets squeezed out that way (or if Goorjian gets the opportunity to go with the more familiar.

I think its hard to point to lack of players as not producing when they didn't get minutes on that team. Heal ran that shit into the dirt. Hobba underplayed, Martin and Herbert underplayed, Shanahan dramatically overplayed, Horvath completely ineffective due to seeing very little ball.

With some of these marquee players that are drifting with Goorjian it is a bit of a cause to wonder exactly how Horvath will go and how much he'll see again. (Perhaps Goorj will run them inside-out as he did when he had Roberts, Horvath is going to have to show some more vision on hitting teammates as defences sag though)

I don't really see Hobba's lack of minutes as anyfault of his own... his coach was just an idiot in the way he treated him.

[Poida]

Oh Hello, another well thought out and spot on post about the topic. LV MUST see this one through that little hole in his arse :lol:

[Da Houndawg #55]

Now we know that not only is LV one-eyed, but that one eye is brown... Thanks for the enlightenment Poida.

[worldbefree]

little hole in his arse

Little?

[Lethal Vertical]

Oh Hello, another well thought out and spot on post about the topic. LV MUST see this one through that little hole in his arse :lol:

You're full of it. You love Hobba, but he's done nothing mate. Nothing! He is a HACK, get over it. Open your other eye, you're clearly a little too far in love with your Dandenong protege, it's obvious for all to see, fooL!

[Poida]

Oh Hello, another well thought out and spot on post about the topic. LV MUST see this one through that little hole in his arse :lol:

You're full of it. You love Hobba, but he's done nothing mate. Nothing! He is a HACK, get over it. Open your other eye, you're clearly a little too far in love with your Dandenong protege, it's obvious for all to see, fooL!

Oh dear, the irony :roll:

How about you open your eyes, after removing your head from your arse and read what a variety of people are posting about the situation. Can you do that??? NOPE, didn't think so. Have a good read of the Dawg's post. One of the most unbias posters on here. Unbias, something you wouldn't know about!

Now piss off back to that little hole you're peeking out of :)

[Poida]

little hole in his arse

Little?

:lol:

[worldbefree]

http://www.outdoordiscoveries.com.au/AdventureCave.jpg

[Diddy4Three]

http://www.outdoordiscoveries.com.au/AdventureCave.jpg

HAHAHHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA

...I think a little bit of wee came out... :oops:

[Lethal Vertical]

Oh Hello, another well thought out and spot on post about the topic. LV MUST see this one through that little hole in his arse :lol:

You're full of it. You love Hobba, but he's done nothing mate. Nothing! He is a HACK, get over it. Open your other eye, you're clearly a little too far in love with your Dandenong protege, it's obvious for all to see, fooL!

Oh dear, the irony :roll:

How about you open your eyes, after removing your head from your arse and read what a variety of people are posting about the situation. Can you do that??? NOPE, didn't think so. Have a good read of the Dawg's post. One of the most unbias posters on here. Unbias, something you wouldn't know about!

Now piss off back to that little hole you're peeking out of :)

Oh dear me, I think you need to wash your eyes to get rid of those love hearts which are clouding your vision.

The only person here who has any relationship with bias right now is YOU! What has bias got to do with me!? I'm not biased against Hobba, OR the Dragons. And, you know this :wink: You on the other hand, are a Dandenong man who was talking Hobba up before he even suited up for the Dragons. Two years later, he's done nothing but you're still talking him up. As I said, build a bridge. Hobba's no hero- deal with it!

You often only get one chance in the NBL, Hobba's had his and failed, so I'd be surprised to see him get another shot at his age.

Oh, and UNbias!?!? Is that even a word?

[Stumps]

I always cringe a little when people use "bias" as an adjective. The form they are looking for is "biased".

[Da Houndawg #55]

I was unaware that Hobba had to be a hero to get a spot on the Dragons squad.

Foolish me hadn't noticed that every team that Goorjian has ever had was star-studded with supreme superstars like Bradley Sheridan, Russell Hinder, Ian Crosswhite, Brett Wheeler and BJ Carter to ever warrant a gritty, hard-working role-player.

[DICKO]

LV......Sorry dude, you ARE wrong.

Except for the briefest time in his first year, Hobba was given precious little opportunity to show what he had.

The stupid thing is, in that little time, he did actually show that he had what it takes. He can shoot, he can back up to the basket, he can handle the ball pretty well for a big and he puts as much hustle as anyone into going for rebounds and playing D. He put in some great games (in 06/07) when given 20 minutes....then inexplicably he got left on the bench for the next 5 games. Last season he was barely played at all.

I'm not saying he's a star, and he MAY get squeezed out (as someone else mentioned) with the talent that Goorj may be able to attract, but he is FAR from a "hack" and should still get the opportunity to play and prove himself somewhere.

The fact that he's 26yo, isn't his fault......he's wasted the last 2 seasons playing for a coach that didn't have a clue what to do with him.

Now, in Poida and I, you are talking about 2 guys that went to EVERY home Dragons games over the last 2 years and saw the ups and downs of Hobba's time there..........In you and Havrilla, we have 2 guys who follow different teams and could not have seen him play more than a handful of times (if at all, the way he was given time so sporadically).

Any further comment?

[Da Houndawg #55]

Now, in Poida and I, you are talking about 2 guys that went to EVERY home Dragons games over the last 2 years and saw the ups and downs of Hobba's time there..........In you and Havrilla, we have 2 guys who follow different teams and could not have seen him play more than a handful of times (if at all, the way he was given time so sporadically).

Any further comment?
I think that's a slightly unfair assessment.

You don't have to have seen every Dragons home game over the last two years to know that Hobba isn't a hack.

You just have to have not had your head up your own arse...

[Poida]

Oh please LV, I haven't been involved down at Rangerland for a very long time.

The majority of Dragons fans feel the same way. Go back and look at game threads from last season and there is a common theme. Hobba and his lack of mins, in favour of guys like Shananhan (Shanahan!!!).

I should build a bridge?? You're the one who keeps crapping on about a topic you know very, very little about!

I could name plenty of guys in the NBL who were given a lack of opportunity early on in their careers, who have now turned into solid players, whether that be a role player or someone who contributes more, eg: Cam T, Brad Robbins (Oh noes!!! He's from Dandenong! I MUST be biased!!! :roll: ), Liam Rush etc etc.

How about addressing Houndawg's and DICKO's posts?? They sum it up quite nicely.

[DICKO]

You don't have to have seen every Dragons home game over the last two years to know that Hobba isn't a hack.

You just have to have not had your head up your own arse...

Sometimes I love you Dawg :lol:

[Lethal Vertical]

Hobba doesn't have the skills to be an impact player at NBL level. Yeah he's got a solid three point shot, but he doesnt have any class. I remember at least one or two games where I thought he looked out of his depth.

When I said hack, what I meant was he won't achieve anymore than he has- at best, he can provide some token relief at the 4/5, play 10 minutes a game. And even at that, I struggle see him doing it for a contending team. Someone like Justin Brown for the Bullets, I rate more highly. Or Sturt for the Tigers, is much younger, similar type of player but much more potential.

I saw the Dragons play quite a lot in their first season, and not as much last season but nonetheless I have seen a fair bit of Hobba playing for the Dragons and I've also seen him play Big V. But thats Fair enough Dicko/Hound, we'll leave it there. You have your opinion, I have mine.

[Da Houndawg #55]

I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who wouldn't rate a legit big man who will bang the boards and fill the lane like Justin Brown more than a hustling, hard-working undersized big like Hobba.

Fact is, Hobba has lunch pail, will work and has found a way to round his game out a little offensively as well... something that, I think anyone who has seen Justin Brown play frequently enough, the other player you mentioned has failed to do.

People WILL rate Brown over Hobba because its harder to find a guy like Brown... legit bigs don't fall from the sky, especially bigs who can be a bit aggressive on the glass/finish.

Again, doesn't mean Hobba's a hack.

Also, pretty cheap shot to try and twist the definition of "hack" when you get caught out making a daft over-exaggeration.

I agree that he won't acheive anymore than he has... if he never gets another shot.

[Lethal Vertical]

Again, doesn't mean Hobba's a hack.

Also, pretty cheap shot to try and twist the definition of "hack" when you get caught out making a daft over-exaggeration.

I agree that he won't acheive anymore than he has... if he never gets another shot.

Whats your definition of a hack?

He wouldnt have made it into the Tigers roster last season, or the Bullets/Kings. He had a minor role on the worst team in the league. So, he's a fringe level player. That makes him a NBL-level hack. There's stars...and then there's hacks.

Sure he's a star in the Big V, but this isn't the Big V we're talking about. Same thing can be applied to other guys, I'm sure if a few of our top imports made the grade in the NBA they'd be labelled a hack by some NBA fans. And rightly so, by the NBA's standards, they probably are. Or take me, I'm a star on Tuesday nights A reserve, but put me in the NBL and I won't exactly set the house on fire. I think 99% of fans would be protesting my roster spot :lol: . My point- it's all relative. And in the NBL, Hobba hasn't proven that he's anymore than a hack.

[Silencer83]

When I said hack, what I meant was he won't achieve anymore than he has- at best, he can provide some token relief at the 4/5, play 10 minutes a game. And even at that, I struggle see him doing it for a contending team. Someone like Justin Brown for the Bullets, I rate more highly. Or Sturt for the Tigers, is much younger, similar type of player but much more potential.



You are kidding, right?!

Brown is pushing 28 and has shown absolutely nothing in his first two years on NBL! As a Perth Wildcats fan I always cringed when he was on the court as he was so easily bodied off rebounds and couldn't have made a shot to save himself. I still get shivers when I think about the amount of missed 3ft shots he had and the amount of dunks he clanged off the back of the ring in warmups.

Hobba on the other hand is 26 and has shown glimpses of what he could be if given extended minutes.

[Da Houndawg #55]

[quote="Da Houndawg #55":2f7e2fs7]

Again, doesn't mean Hobba's a hack.

Also, pretty cheap shot to try and twist the definition of "hack" when you get caught out making a daft over-exaggeration.

I agree that he won't acheive anymore than he has... if he never gets another shot.

Whats your definition of a hack?

He wouldnt have made it into the Tigers roster last season, or the Bullets/Kings. He had a minor role on the worst team in the league. So, he's a fringe level player. That makes him a NBL-level hack. There's stars...and then there's hacks.

Sure he's a star in the Big V, but this isn't the Big V we're talking about. Same thing can be applied to other guys, I'm sure if a few of our top imports made the grade in the NBA they'd be labelled a hack by some NBA fans. And rightly so, by the NBA's standards, they probably are.[/quote:2f7e2fs7]
I'd rate him over Tommy Greer.

As for Brisbane, when Sam Mack went out hurt I bet they'd have loved to have another hustling big.

As for the Kings, well... good luck getting a crack against the deepest team in the league. Mind you, the Kings were understocked in the big man department as well... I think they'd have loved to had him, but I doubt they'd be willing to give any of their active 10 up to get him...

[DICKO]

Or Sturt for the Tigers, is much younger, similar type of player but much more potential.

What a surprise :roll:

He had a minor role on the worst team in the league.

No....thanks to the coach, he had an undefined, confusing and inconsitent role on the worst team in the league.

Given consistent minutes and a coach that doesn't shit on everyone's confidence, I think you could see Brent hold down a fairly decent role as a hustling big off the bench.

And yes, it was the use of the word "Hack" that first got my back up too. A Hack is someone who simply can't play.....Hobba clearly can.

[isaac]

LV would've axed Tragardh early in his career, I bet.

[DoubleA]

LV please dont compare Sturt to Hobba, Sturt looks confused at best when hes on the floor, Hobba looks like he belongs.

Sorry mate but its true.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Incidentally, I've picked Cam Tragardh in the past 2 or 3 NBDL seasons waiting for him to get an opportunity to show some of these doubters that he could play...

Sometimes there's other factors in play behind a guy not producing, rather than just "He's a hack."...

[rjd]

Incidentally, I've picked Cam Tragardh in the past 2 or 3 NBDL seasons waiting for him to get an opportunity to show some of these doubters that he could play....

Yeah, he's one of those young players who didn't get the hype, but someone you just knew would develop into something. The player that epitomised that for me was Hoare back at the start of his WS days.

[j-mac]

Regardless of Hobba's hack-status, how long till he's wearing a Boomers singlet?

[George the Gragon]

LV - As for the Sturt/Hobba comparision. Similar body type, you have to be joking.

Sturt has a long way to go to be as good as Hobba. Basically Hobba just abused him in the recent Big V clash. Backed him down nand layed it in at will.

Hobba needs a chance with a coach who has some idea about nurturing and developing players. Heal had no idea, a little like you - LV

[Bench Warmer]

Truth be told I'm not sure why Hobba got so few minutes this last season. I'm the first to admit when he was a development player at the Wildcats I thought he was fat and slow, and looked out of shape. But credit to him, he really picked in second season and seemed to be really under-utilised at the Dragons this last season. Seeing as they had half the Wildcats in their team / office it's somewhat surprising he was under-utilised.

[Lethal Vertical]

LV please dont compare Sturt to Hobba, Sturt looks confused at best when hes on the floor, Hobba looks like he belongs.

Sorry mate but its true.

:shock:

Confused at best? Not sure whether you saw the first few games Sturt played with the Tigers, but he had this pehnomenal run- every single game he stepped onto the court he'd score, even if he was only on for a minute or two. Thats what sticks out about him- he always scores! He'd step onto the court and nail shots with purpose. Compared to guys like O'Hea and Greer (when he first started) Sturt looks much more comfortable and confident out there, so I'm really not sure how you can possible have this opinion about him.

LV - As for the Sturt/Hobba comparision. Similar body type, you have to be joking.


I never claimed similar body type, I said they were similar players. They're both mobile, outside shooting big men.

Hobba needs a chance with a coach who has some idea about nurturing and developing players.

I haven't argued this point- I've simply stated that he is now 26! ie: His time is fast running out.

He's not currently good enough to hold a significant role with a contending team, at best he'll play a small role with a middle of the road team, thats all he'll ever be.

[Dicky V]

Sturt and Hobba are similar in the tools they bring to their game but I would say that Sturt is more like Dench. He is interested in scoring but can't defend anyone.

If I were to describe Sturt it would be that he is talented but would need to show some spirit to make it in the NBL.

I saw Hobba go head to head with Wortho in the Kings game and he held hos own defending him I think he should get another go somewhere else as I think the Dragons have run out of points.

[coach_rachael]

in hobba's first season at the dragons we saw glimpses of a very well rounded game, shooting, handles, passing, shot blocking, athleticism.

all he needs is to keep adding little bits and get some confidence as well as an opportunity.

i liken him to a poor mans steve hoare, hoare didnt exactly set the world on fire the 1st half of his career, infact he only ended up at the tigers because no one else wanted him.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Sturt and Hobba are similar in the tools they bring to their game but I would say that Sturt is more like Dench. He is interested in scoring but can't defend anyone.
That's why I only responded to the Justin Brown coments...

There wasn't much other than "FUCK. OFF." that could be said about Sturt comparisons.

[wildscooby]

to be made official today
smith and vukona @ dragons


http://www.theage.com.au/news/basketball/south-dragons-snare-smith-and-vukona/2008/04/14/1208025091511.html

[gangsta boo]

Money talks :(

[Knox_team]

Jason was always a favorite at the Magic/Titans so this is really exciting news! Vukona is an interesting recruit, looking forward to seeing how he fits in.

[jesssup]

Also an article in the Herald Sun saying the same as the above Age article

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ ... 14,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23540185-10914,00.html)

[Silencer83]

So is this the team that South is working on putting together?

PG Import (Draper)? (10)
SG Smith (8 )
SF Ingles (1)
PF Worthington (10)
C Burston (4?)

C Horvath (10)
PF Import (Victor)? or Hobba? (10, 9 or 4)
SF Vukona (8 )
SG Herbert (1)
PG Martin? College Player? Rookie? (5 or 3 or 1)

Total = 57 - 65

[AngusH]

Draper at PG seems somewhat probable. Nice squad though, regardless of who the other import is.

[isaac]

Isn't Burston signed? I think they might only be able to fit in one import?

[Silencer83]

Oops I knew I missed someone :oops:

Will edit my post

[Poida]

What's Luke Martin's story??

He'll most likely get the arse if we get Bruce. Bit of a shame. He was a fan favourite.

[angry ant]

Great start to the off-season for the Dragons! Who actually signs the players though?

[Cram]

I wouldnt mind the Tigers picking up Martin if the Dragons give him the flick for Bruce. Of course I would actually prefer it if the Tigers got Bruce :wink:

[MLS]

Has there been any rumours on whether the Dragons would be interested in Homicide as their PG?

I reckon Cowan would do a great job designing some Homicide merchandise.

[Poida]

Homicide would be a great pick up as:

1. He's awesome

2. He would bring alot of kids and teenagers to games, as he's a "streetballer".

[Nerf Herder]

the team is really coming together now, nice... have to say that now they are building a nice team to compliment their off court savvy, they're looking like quite the package... Vukona I think is a very solid pick up and really strengthens their front line...

have to admit, very envious... and not just because all I'm hearing kings-related is our talent leaving... lol...

so all that's left is to nail down two imports and take their pick of the aussie talent coming back? everyone else is set? does anyone think that they might try to get Horvath's points re-assessed? every little bit counts?

[Poida]

does anyone think that they might try to get Horvath's points re-assessed? every little bit counts?

They already tried and were denied.

[Nerf Herder]

does anyone think that they might try to get Horvath's points re-assessed? every little bit counts?

They already tried and were denied.
Ah well, worth a shot... working with Goorj can only make his game better, who knows, maybe could blossom :?

[Shaq]

the team is really coming together now, nice... have to say that now they are building a nice team to compliment their off court savvy, they're looking like quite the package... Vukona I think is a very solid pick up and really strengthens their front line...

have to admit, very envious... and not just because all I'm hearing kings-related is our talent leaving... lol...

so all that's left is to nail down two imports and take their pick of the aussie talent coming back? everyone else is set? does anyone think that they might try to get Horvath's points re-assessed? every little bit counts?

Yeah, cheating both caps has that affect, just ask Seamus. :lol:

[wolves_fan_82au]

whats the story with Ingles is he staying another year or nba/europe????

[boz_novocastrian]

i reckon ingles to europe

[kings89]

With the star-studded line-up that the Dragons have/are putting together, you would think Jingles best bet is to stay, have an awesome season under Goorj and then head off to the biggest offer in 09/10

[Poida]

Ingles is staying.

[Mr_Black]

Homicide would be a great pick up as:

1. He's awesome

2. He would bring alot of kids and teenagers to games, as he's a "streetballer".

3. you might actually get me to come to one of your games :wink:

[Melbourne Wildcat]

4. He would replace heal as PG

[Nerf Herder]

With the star-studded line-up that the Dragons have/are putting together, you would think Jingles best bet is to stay, have an awesome season under Goorj and then head off to the biggest offer in 09/10
totally... working under a proper coach, let alone the best in the country will improve Ingles game by leaps and bounds and his prospects for next year would only be improved...

[AngusH]

Ingles is staying.

Did he not put his name in the draft? Last I heard he did. If he gets drafted (which I don't think he will), I'm sure the NBA team that picks him up will ask him to play in Europe if they don't think he's ready right away.

[isaac]

I think the plan was to hit the camps and then, based on feedback, either commit or withdraw to try again next year. I think it'll be the latter.

[DICKO]

Joe has right up until June (I think) to remove his nomination for the NBA draft.

He is also eligible next year, so it's a judgement call for him and his agent when he gets to that point.

He'll have some workouts, get some feedback. If he thinks anyone will draft him, he'll probably stay in.

If the indication is (and I think it will be) that teams want him to take another year and see where he's at next time, he will return to the Dragons after withdrawing his nomination.

As far as I'm aware, he has an NBA out clause but not a Euro one (Since he doesn't have Euro eligibility and therefore would have to play as an import), so if it's not NBA, it's Dragons (Most likely IMHO).

[MLS]

This was from an article in the Advertiser about 3 weeks ago:

If it looks as if he might be a second round selection, he will pull the pin and spend a further year preparing for The Show.

"If it looks like the second round (of the draft), I won't nominate this year, come back home and work with the Boomers," Ingles said. "I have a year up my sleeve (to nominate)."

Surely the second round is his best case scenario in the NBA draft right now, meaning it's more than likely he'll be a Dragon again this season.

[Diddy4Three]

Horvath officially a Kiwi.

http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=ne ... y&id=74759 (http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=74759)

[Poida]

Horvath officially a Kiwi.

http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=ne ... y&id=74759 (http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=74759)

WTF is up with his shooting style in that picture? :lol:

[Diddy4Three]

Horvath officially a Kiwi.

http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=ne ... y&id=74759 (http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=74759)

WTF is up with his shooting style in that picture? :lol:

LOL. It's a bit of a poser follow through.

[DICKO]

Nah...he's actually trying to CATCH the ball.

[Judge_Dredd]

Horvath officially a Kiwi.

http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=ne ... y&id=74759 (http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=74759)

WTF is up with his shooting style in that picture? :lol:

LOL. It's a bit of a poser follow through.

Yep - a very unorthodox follow-through (especially since he hasn't released the ball yet)

[MLS]

Interesting to see that Bakari Hendrix's profile has now been taken off the Dragons' website in the players section (it was there last time I checked a couple of days ago) but Cortez Groves' is still there.

[kc4mvp]

Interesting to see that Bakari Hendrix's profile has now been taken off the Dragons' website in the players section (it was there last time I checked a couple of days ago) but Cortez Groves' is still there.

Groves will be great this season without Heal there

[money]

neither draper or groves will be playing for goorjan next season!
cant say much more at this stage.

[gangsta boo]

but we do know there will be an import pg on the cards

[MLS]

Smith out for 6-8 months :(

[Shaq]

You're PG will be David Bailey.

[Stumps]

Booze Less, Toke More

[curious]

Count Smith out too for a while.
"Smith, 33, will miss the Olympics in August because of a rotator cuff injury in his right shoulder, which needs surgery.
He faces up to eight months of rehabilitation, which means he will not play for his new NBL club, the South Dragons, until late December at the earliest.
Smith said he was shocked at being told he needed surgery, after he suffered what he thought was a minor shoulder injury playing for the Sydney Kings during last season's playoffs."

See herald sun.

[catcountry]

Goorgian and Cowan visit Geelong to watch Herbert in action article here (http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2008/05/05/13596_geelong_sports.html)

[giantfan]

Dragons chasing Ere and Helms :P

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ ... 88,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23661768-11088,00.html)

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

As far as I'm aware, he has an NBA out clause but not a Euro one (Since he doesn't have Euro eligibility and therefore would have to play as an import), so if it's not NBA, it's Dragons (Most likely IMHO).
Joe does have a Euro passport, thanks to his Dad...

[DoubleA]

"In other Dragons’ staff news, Ed Wyatt has been hired as Communications Manager. Wyatt has worked at SBS Sport and SEN radio in Melbourne, and prior to that, helped launch the Fox Sports World network in Los Angeles."

Great decision by the Dragons, Ed knows his ball and has some great media contacts.

[Stanley]

Dragons chasing Ere and Helms :P

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ ... 88,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23661768-11088,00.html)

Just need someone like Patrick Mills at PG to work out who gets the shots. :wink:

[32MJ32]

Helms and Ebi? Good grief.

Please, God, guide their respective hands toward the dotted line..

[Poida]

:giggidy: :giggidy: :giggidy:

[AngusH]

Dragons chasing Ere and Helms :P

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ ... 88,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23661768-11088,00.html)

Considering the cash that Ebi is asking for, Wortho was probably asking for, and Goorj was probably asking for, could the Dragons be on a fast track to Sydney/Brisbane-ville?

[curious]

Dragons chasing Ere and Helms :P
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ ... 88,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23661768-11088,00.html)

Considering the cash that Ebi is asking for, Wortho was probably asking for, and Goorj was probably asking for, could the Dragons be on a fast track to Sydney/Brisbane-ville?
What has Sydney got to do with this?
They recruited him and the Bullets paid the seriouis money. NOt the Kings.

[Stumps]

I assume this is a case of OR not AND?

[AngusH]

I'm talking about in relation to spending bucket loads of cash.

[isaac]

I think Stumps might be talking about Ere and Helms, or Ere or Helms?

I got the impression it would be both. They need a PG and SG, if anything, and they fit the bill.

[Stumps]

I think Stumps might be talking about Ere and Helms, or Ere or Helms?
Yeah.

[Poida]

The Dragons have always lacked that player that can just take over, when everything else is stagnant. Ebi will do just nicely :giggidy: :giggidy:

[Poida]

Nik Popovic has been added to the Dragons off court team

http://www.southdragons.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=74880

:giggidy: :giggidy:

[AngusH]

Nik Popovic has been added to the Dragons off court team

http://www.southdragons.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=74880

:giggidy: :giggidy:

"“I have always admired the Dragons as an outsider looking in. I thought it was an organisation that was run very professionally, so I’m very excited about moving here.”

That's a stretch. Mark Price, Player/Coaches...

[isaac]

Maybe he's comparing it to the Kings?

[AngusH]

Maybe he's comparing it to the Kings?

Touche. :lol:

[DICKO]

News from the members Newsletter clarifiews that Goorjian is not looking at Helms AND Ere at all, but is talking to them (and others) about ONE of them potentially joining the Dragons. A PG is definitely on the hit list.

Goorjian expands on his comments from the Heraldsun here...... http://www.southdragons.com/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=74893

[isaac]

Word is Ere has signed (hat tip to the sauce).

[Poida]

Yep, I've also been informed that Ebi is a done deal.

[Judge_Dredd]

Has any NBL team gone from wooden spoon to minor premiers in one season? Fair chance in this case.

[Stanley]

Word is Ere has signed (hat tip to the sauce).

The three new signings would mean the rest of the players get about $7.73 each for the season.

Putting the challenge out to the Tigers, hopefully the Dragons do have the $$$ to fund the program Goorj runs.

[King of Kings]

Likely payroll for the Dragons

Ebi $350k
Helms or other import $250k
Wortho $250-300k
Smith $250k
Vukona $150k
Horvath $150k
Ingles $80k+
Burston $75k
3 point player $50k
3 point Player $50k
$1655k
Plus Goorj $300k
Cowan out doing Eddie. I hope they know what they are doing.

[Statman72]

Has any NBL team gone from wooden spoon to minor premiers in one season? Fair chance in this case.

How about - wooden spoon to minor premiers - and then premiers back to the bottom again when the owner gets bored and decides to sell as he finds a new hobby to pour his spare millions into?

Nah that could never happen!

[Stanley]

I forgot about the Vukona signing in my calculations.
That'd put them over the cap, with 6-positions in the 10 not counted.

Don't like to say it after the dramas Hawks had keeping a team in the league recently, but i can't say i'd be sad if karma turns around and bites Dragons in the near future like it did with Bullets and to a lesser extent Sydney.

The league can't continue to survive with this blatant cheating.

If teams want to break the cap, put in a luxury tax like the NBA.
Then use those funds for PROMOTING THE LEAGUE and/or supporting whatever team it is that season that nearly folds.

King of Kings figures for the new signings are pretty much the same as ive heard.

[Nerf Herder]

Smith would really be on that sort of money? jeez... not bad work if you can get it... especially for half a season! I wonder if he had any obligation to declare his intention for shoulder reconstruction surgery that would keep him out for a good portion of the season before signing? I'm sure they would have expected that though, considering everyone knew about it at the end of last season...

Adding Ebi to that team makes it look mighty impressive... especially if he continues his awesome form...

Once again I'm impressed and envious of the off-court effort of the Dragons compared to other teams that will remain nameless, but sadly quite obvious... It will be interesting to see how it all pulls together if everyone remains healthy...

[AngusH]

Judging by Goorj's comments, at least one of the 3 point YAPs they pick up might well be on more than 50k...

[Shannon Noll]

PG
Ebi
Ingles
Wortho
Burston

Vukona
Horvath
Smith *

Not too shabby at all. Ebi is an absolute key signing. If they can get a PG the equivalent quality of Draper, they've got an exciting team that will fit very well with Goorjian's style.

[Shaq]

I'm just surprised that if this happens that Dragons fans can be so happy about blatantly cheating! :roll:

[AngusH]

Ebi $350k 10
Helms or other import $250k 10
Wortho $250-300k 10
Smith $250k 8
Vukona $150k 8
Horvath $150k 10
Ingles $80k+ 1
Burston $75k 8
3 point player $50k 3
3 point Player $50k 3

Total = 71?