Boomers at Bejing Olympics...

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

So, the time is nearly here. We have been talking about this in many other threads. Having been educated, I think Neilsen might be a good option. I wonder what the coach is thinking.

Is Anstey a lock? Bogut has been amazing for the Bucks, and we are lucky to have him. Do we need Anstey?

The three spot? What happens here? Worthington has been great in Sydney, but where else do we go?

The guard rotation. Are we going to take a wiley old vetran (Smith) or go with youth...

Are the Boomers a genuine medal contender?

[Moth]

Are the Boomers a genuine medal contender?

Yes. Goorjian is that good.

[glockers]

Since I already started my thoughts i will just copy and paste them. I will expand on specific issues as they come up.

I am tending to think Worthington is a must inclusion.

I think CJ, Newley, Wortho, Nielsen, Andersen, Bogut are all locks and the other positions are still up for grabs.

I personally would take Smith.

One fear I have is starting CJ and Newley. Both are adequete defenders, but together we lack a great defensive guard. Which leads me to thinking about including Smith off the bench.

Personally I change my mind on the team every few days. Which is a good thing I think.

[Mike]

Mills = http://www.lakewoodconferences.com/direct/dbimage/50242792/Angle_Type_Brass_Padlock.jpg

[An5w3r]

Personally I change my mind on the team every few days. Which is a good thing I think.

That's only a good thing if you can guarantee me you're not Brian Goorjian.. :shock: :wink:

[Mike]

Personally I change my mind on the team every few days. Which is a good thing I think.

That's only a good thing if you can guarantee me you're not Brian Goorjian.. :shock: :wink:

hehehe

[An5w3r]

LOCKS - If fit, they'll be there

Mills
Bruton
Worthington
Nielsen
Andersen
Bogut

PROBABLES -

Newley
Anstey (whyyyyy?!?!?!)
Saville
Smith
McKinnon (if fit)

POSSIBLES - but in many cases unlikely's

Barlow
Ingles
Jawai
Ogilvy
Redhage (not suited for international game, plus he's a dick)
Kendall (it could happen)
Black
Harvey

I'm sure i'm missing people, so let me know whati've missed.

[Mike]

Redhage (not suited for international game, plus he's a dick)


an impartial kings fan choosing a lineup for the boomers :wink:

[Dunkin' Dan]

Hey, get used to it. That's the way it will happen in reality too :wink:

[An5w3r]

Redhage (not suited for international game, plus he's a dick)


an impartial kings fan choosing a lineup for the boomers :wink:

hahaha yeah.... still twitching at the thought of him pretending he got hit shooting that 3 from the top of the key in Game 2 (and the childish carryon that ensued)... :P

I'll get over it.. ;)

[Stumps]

We have been talking about this in many other threads.
Yes ... we have indeed. So remind me why we needed a new one again?

[Virus]

LOCKS - If fit, they'll be there

Mills
Bruton
Worthington
Nielsen
Andersen
Bogut

PROBABLES -

Newley
Anstey (whyyyyy?!?!?!)
Saville
Smith
McKinnon (if fit)

POSSIBLES - but in many cases unlikely's

Barlow
Ingles
Jawai
Ogilvy
Redhage (not suited for international game, plus he's a dick)
Kendall (it could happen)
Black
Harvey

I'm sure i'm missing people, so let me know whati've missed.

I think you can safely move Newley into the lock category. And take Mackinnon out of the probables as he won't be fit in time.

The only ones missing that I can think of are Bruce and Ryan

[An5w3r]

I think you can safely move Newley into the lock category. And take Mackinnon out of the probables as he won't be fit in time.

The only ones missing that I can think of are Bruce and Ryan

I wasn't impressed with him against NZ.. But believe he would have developed a great deal in Elatha (that's greek for Greece).. Until such time as my assumptions are proven to be correc tI'd rather just "probablise" the kid.

Bruiser and Ryan are eligible to ttrain and can sit in the Possibles but unlikelys if they like... I haven't seen a lot of Bruce in college, but in the few games i've seen he's not really shone like i'd hope one of our best 10 basketballers would against such competition.

[Stumps]

I wasn't impressed with him against NZ.. But believe he would have developed a great deal in Elatha (that's greek for Greece)
So what's "Hellas" then?

[Virus]

I wasn't impressed with him against NZ.. But believe he would have developed a great deal in Elatha (that's greek for Greece).. Until such time as my assumptions are proven to be correc tI'd rather just "probablise" the kid.

Bruiser and Ryan are eligible to ttrain and can sit in the Possibles but unlikelys if they like... I haven't seen a lot of Bruce in college, but in the few games i've seen he's not really shone like i'd hope one of our best 10 basketballers would against such competition.

Agree about Newley and the NZ series. But he has been groomed over the last couple of seasons to become the future starting 2, so can't see him being left out.

As BG will definitely take three PG's, Bruce and Ryan might have a shot at this position along with Kendall. Black will no doubt be unavilable, so the choices for the third PG spot are pretty limited.

[meg]

I wasn't impressed with him against NZ.. But believe he would have developed a great deal in Elatha (that's greek for Greece)

n Irish mythology, Elatha (or Elathan) was a prince of the Fomorians and the father of Bres by Ériu of the Tuatha Dé Danann. The imagery surrounding him (he visits Ériu at night by sea on a silver boat) suggests he may once have been a moon god.

Greece (Greek: Ελλάδα, Elláda, IPA: [ɛˈlaða], or Ελλάς, Ellás, [ɛˈlas]), officially the Hellenic Republic

Keep working on those foreign languages, eh? :?

[An5w3r]

I wasn't impressed with him against NZ.. But believe he would have developed a great deal in Elatha (that's greek for Greece)
So what's "Hellas" then?

I misspelt it anyway, they call it Elada... and Hella's is another name they have for it? Or maybe Hella's is like our Boomers? (haven't checked sources on that..)

Anyway greek people say "elada, potrithas" which means "greece, my country".. Not sure on the spelling but i'm sure Poida could help me out..

I (we?) digress...

[An5w3r]

Keep working on those foreign languages, eh? :?

When you work with them, you're kinda force-fed it ;)

[kings89]

My 15 man squad would be:

Mills
Bruton
Newley
Smith
(one of ) Barlow or Ingles
Kendall
Bruce
Worthington
Nielsen
Andersen
Bogut
Saville
Jawai
Ogilvy
Anstey

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

My 15 man squad would be:

Mills
Bruton
Newley
Smith
(one of ) Barlow or Ingles
Kendall
Bruce
Worthington
Nielsen
Andersen
Bogut
Saville
Jawai
Ogilvy
Anstey

That's not a bad squad! You'd have t consider ditching Smith (who I do like but question his ability in 2008) for either Barlow or Ingles!

[Da Houndawg #55]

With MacKinnon out I'm struggling to see a reason to not include Redhage...

Bruton/Mills
Smith/Newley
Worthington/Redhage
4s and 5s Bogut/Nielsen/Andersen/Jawai or Ogilvy or Anstey

Then you can fill the last couple from Bruce/Ingles/Saville/Barlow/Markovic/Ryan

Although I wouldn't be surprised to see the squad as:

Bruton/Mills/Kendall
Smith/Newley
Worthington/Saville/Barlow
Bogut/Nielsen/Andersen/Jawai or Ogilvy or Hinder (or possibly even Crosswhite at an outside stretch)

[HunterPirates]

Agree about Newley and the NZ series. But he has been groomed over the last couple of seasons to become the future starting 2, so can't see him being left out.



Didn't he drop 36 points going perfect from the field or something not too long ago?

[Da Houndawg #55]

Agree about Newley and the NZ series. But he has been groomed over the last couple of seasons to become the future starting 2, so can't see him being left out.



Didn't he drop 36 points going perfect from the field or something not too long ago?
Not in an International game, in Europe, but yes.

Can't say I agree with Answer on this one, his development has been pretty clear to those who have been watching him.

[An5w3r]

Agree about Newley and the NZ series. But he has been groomed over the last couple of seasons to become the future starting 2, so can't see him being left out.



Didn't he drop 36 points going perfect from the field or something not too long ago?
Not in an International game, in Europe, but yes.

Can't say I agree with Answer on this one, his development has been pretty clear to those who have been watching him.

Yeah Newley's pretty much a lock for the side I guess, I think the only question mark over him is how he's come along defensively..

[AngusH]

Newley is a clear lock, no point even discussing it.

Personally, I'm pretty happy with the fact that there are some serious decisions to make at a couple of the roster spots. I can't remember a time when there was such talent to choose from, especially in the frontcourt.

[Cussy]

With MacKinnon out I'm struggling to see a reason to not include Redhage...



Um, because he's a dick? It's a new rule, and one which BA has brought in to stop the likes of Kendall and Hinder ever getting to wear the green and gold again.

[Da Houndawg #55]

[quote="Da Houndawg #55":25ouss3v]With MacKinnon out I'm struggling to see a reason to not include Redhage...



Um, because he's a dick? It's a new rule, and one which BA has brought in to stop the likes of Kendall and Hinder ever getting to wear the green and gold again.[/quote:25ouss3v]
If "Dicks" are being left out of the Boomers from now on our small forward line-up is going to be pretty bare...

Barlow by himself, with Hawks fans declaring Saville a dick, Sydney fans labelling Redhage and Worthington already stuck firmly on that list...

[Poida]

Its ok if you're a Sydney player though, as the coach likes your dick.

[Cussy]

[quote="The Customer":2udpxs33][quote="Da Houndawg #55":2udpxs33]With MacKinnon out I'm struggling to see a reason to not include Redhage...



Um, because he's a dick? It's a new rule, and one which BA has brought in to stop the likes of Kendall and Hinder ever getting to wear the green and gold again.[/quote:2udpxs33]
If "Dicks" are being left out of the Boomers from now on our small forward line-up is going to be pretty bare...

Barlow by himself, with Hawks fans declaring Saville a dick, Sydney fans labelling Redhage and Worthington already stuck firmly on that list...[/quote:2udpxs33]

No Joyce as assistant coach either.

[Earnie Shavers]

Um, because he's a dick? It's a new rule, and one which BA has brought in to stop the likes of Kendall and Hinder ever getting to wear the green and gold again.

It's kept Black and Harvey off the team for a while.

[Cram]

I dont see any reason why Wortho and Redhage cant both be in the team if they deserve it. Both are quite versatile players playing at a very high level at the moment. Having both in could see us play big with either one at the three spot, or go small with them at both forward spots and Neilsen in the middle. Lots of options.

Would be harsh to either one to leave them off.

I'd be happy with the following:

Starters: CJ, Smith, Saville*, Neilsen, Bogut.
Bench: Mills, Newley, Wortho, Anstey, Andersen, Redhage.

Just leaves one spot up for grabs, which should go to a combo guard (in my opinion) like Black, Kendall, Ryan or Bruce. My money would be on Kendall (who would be pretty good in that role) but Black or Ryan could do a good job there too.

*If Sam is fit, he gets Saville's starting spot, and Sav is out of the 12.

[Cussy]

So Sav is either a starter, or he's out of the squad?

[Da Houndawg #55]

So Sav is either a starter, or he's out of the squad?
I could understand that.

Wortho has trouble staying in front of perimeter guys at International level, if Sav were to go in it would be more as a stopper/role guy than an offensive force. If Sam's healthy we have what Sav can do plus a little more coming in, without him we could get exposed a little on the perimeter at the 3 (although I haven't seen what Redhage can do out there defensively at the 3 at International level).

[kings89]

Would be harsh to either one to leave them off.

Except that one of them has only been an Aussie for 5 minutes. Just because he's naturalised this year, I don't think that brings him into automatic calculations for Beijing.

[Cram]

Would be harsh to either one to leave them off.

Except that one of them has only been an Aussie for 5 minutes. Just because he's naturalised this year, I don't think that brings him into automatic calculations for Beijing.

If he goes to the camp and shows he deserves to be there (which if he plays like he did this season would be almost a cert) it doesnt matter how long someone has been Australian for.

[Cram]

So Sav is either a starter, or he's out of the squad?

Yep, what Hound said. I just dont think we'd need both of them.

[WHIPS]

As good a player as Smith is, if he's carrying a serious shoulder injury, I can hardly see the benefit of him dealing with the excessive strain of an injury which should likely be rested. Of course I'm not privy to the extent of his injury and I'm purely speculating that it is infact serious.

Admittedly, a difficult decision to leave Smith out or include him, compounded further by leadership issues if Mac is out.

[Da Houndawg #55]

As good a player as Smith is, if he's carrying a serious shoulder injury, I can hardly see the benefit of him dealing with the excessive strain of an injury which should likely be rested. Of course I'm not privy to the extent of his injury and I'm purely speculating that it is infact serious.

Admittedly, a difficult decision to leave Smith out or include him, compounded further by leadership issues if Mac is out.
He should have time to recover, surely.

[Cussy]

So Sav is either a starter, or he's out of the squad?

Yep, what Hound said. I just dont think we'd need both of them.
Fair enough.

[WHIPS]

Would be harsh to either one to leave them off.

Except that one of them has only been an Aussie for 5 minutes. Just because he's naturalised this year, I don't think that brings him into automatic calculations for Beijing.

How does being a recently naturalised citizen affect the consideration of the Boomers team?. The only reason I can think of is that he hasn't previously attended a Boomers camp, but I suspect that your view may differ..

[WHIPS]

As good a player as Smith is, if he's carrying a serious shoulder injury, I can hardly see the benefit of him dealing with the excessive strain of an injury which should likely be rested. Of course I'm not privy to the extent of his injury and I'm purely speculating that it is infact serious.

Admittedly, a difficult decision to leave Smith out or include him, compounded further by leadership issues if Mac is out.
He should have time to recover, surely.

I'd hope so.

[odie]

I dont see any reason why Wortho and Redhage cant both be in the team if they deserve it. Both are quite versatile players playing at a very high level at the moment. Having both in could see us play big with either one at the three spot, or go small with them at both forward spots and Neilsen in the middle. Lots of options.

Would be harsh to either one to leave them off.

I'd be happy with the following:

Starters: CJ, Smith, Saville*, Neilsen, Bogut.
Bench: Mills, Newley, Wortho, Anstey, Andersen, Redhage.

Just leaves one spot up for grabs, which should go to a combo guard (in my opinion) like Black, Kendall, Ryan or Bruce. My money would be on Kendall (who would be pretty good in that role) but Black or Ryan could do a good job there too.

*If Sam is fit, he gets Saville's starting spot, and Sav is out of the 12.

Kendall is not good enough to play at international level. I would take Aaron Bruce, Stephen Black or Damien Ryan over Kendall.

The rest of the team is pretty good. The only change I would make is Redhage out, Ogilvy in.

[odie]

I dont see any reason why Wortho and Redhage cant both be in the team if they deserve it. Both are quite versatile players playing at a very high level at the moment. Having both in could see us play big with either one at the three spot, or go small with them at both forward spots and Neilsen in the middle. Lots of options.

Would be harsh to either one to leave them off.

I'd be happy with the following:

Starters: CJ, Smith, Saville*, Neilsen, Bogut.
Bench: Mills, Newley, Wortho, Anstey, Andersen, Redhage.

Just leaves one spot up for grabs, which should go to a combo guard (in my opinion) like Black, Kendall, Ryan or Bruce. My money would be on Kendall (who would be pretty good in that role) but Black or Ryan could do a good job there too.

*If Sam is fit, he gets Saville's starting spot, and Sav is out of the 12.

Kendall is not good enough to play at international level. I would take Aaron Bruce, Stephen Black or Damien Ryan over Kendall.

The rest of the team is pretty good. The only change I would make is Redhage out, Ogilvy in.

[Cram]

Kendall is not good enough to play at international level. I would take Aaron Bruce, Stephen Black or Damien Ryan over Kendall.

The rest of the team is pretty good. The only change I would make is Redhage out, Ogilvy in.

Ogilvy + Anstey + Bogut + Andersen makes us a little too top heavy. Sure they can mostly all play the 4 as well, but I think only Anstey/Andersen/Bogut are needed (along with Neilsen as the other big) at C/PF and a smaller, more mobile guy like Redhage in as the 5th 'big'.

As for Kendall, he's playing some good ball of late, and as a combo guy in that 5th guard position I think he'd be a good option. Black is a little too much like CJ, and Ryan is a little off the radar at the mo. I'd say Kendall should be definately a chance, and with Goorj there, you'd think he'll get the nod.

[kings89]

Would be harsh to either one to leave them off.

Except that one of them has only been an Aussie for 5 minutes. Just because he's naturalised this year, I don't think that brings him into automatic calculations for Beijing.

How does being a recently naturalised citizen affect the consideration of the Boomers team?. The only reason I can think of is that he hasn't previously attended a Boomers camp, but I suspect that your view may differ..

nah look, if he gets invited to camp and he proves he deserves a spot than sure, I'll cop that - I just don't like the perceived mentality of as soon as an import is naturalised we chuck him straight into the Boomers. We aren't NZ after all, and we have a lot of talent this time around and I think they should be given a go.

If it came down to Rehage or Wortho, I'd go Wortho every time, because he's young and will potentially be around the Aussie programme for a long time.

[Cussy]

Redhage is two years older, and I'm pretty sure his naturalisation means he plans on being around for a long time too. On talent, you'd have to give the nod to Redhage.

[kings89]

really? I thought he was older than that? oh well, like I said I dont have anything against him...just that we bag out NZ for however many naturalised players they have/had in their team, and i'd prefer to see young aussie talent given ago.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Redhage is two years older, and I'm pretty sure his naturalisation means he plans on being around for a long time too. On talent, you'd have to give the nod to Redhage.
I'm not 100% certain that you could say Redhage purely off of talent.

But I would say he suits our squad better on paper.

[Da Houndawg #55]

really? I thought he was older than that? oh well, like I said I dont have anything against him...just that we bag out NZ for however many naturalised players they have/had in their team, and i'd prefer to see young aussie talent given ago.
That's because they had FOUR.

[An5w3r]

Kendall is not good enough to play at international level. I would take Aaron Bruce, Stephen Black or Damien Ryan over Kendall.


Tough call saying Kendall's not good enough internationally but Bruce/Ryan/Black are..

I'd probably rate him the better defender of the 4, he knows Goorjians sytem better than any of them and apart from Bruce would probably be the best PG.

Also Kendall and Black are probably the only 2 of those 4 that I'd think are capable of playing both spots competently, with the other 2 (IMO) being more specialised at the 1 or 2.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Kendall is not good enough to play at international level. I would take Aaron Bruce, Stephen Black or Damien Ryan over Kendall.


Tough call saying Kendall's not good enough internationally but Bruce/Ryan/Black are..

I'd probably rate him the better defender of the 4, he knows Goorjians sytem better than any of them and apart from Bruce would probably be the best PG.

Also Kendall and Black are probably the only 2 of those 4 that I'd think are capable of playing both spots competently, with the other 2 (IMO) being more specialised at the 1 or 2.
When has Kendall ever played the point spot at International level anywhere close to what could be labelled 'competently"?

[An5w3r]

When has Kendall ever played the point spot at International level anywhere close to what could be labelled 'competently"?

I missed the part where I said "history has proven this to be correct".. ;)

I just think he's capable of doing it, he's come a long way this season in terms of ball control and shot selection and has always been a great passer.. I believe his form and skill set are a good fit for a combo guard internationally.

[Da Houndawg #55]

All I'm going to say about Kendall is that WHEN he makes the team, it will be only the second time he deserves it... The other being after that quality rookie year (due more to potential than being able to contribute right away).

Now's his best (and possibly last) chance.

[AngusH]

I think there'll definately be either Smith or Kendall, if not both. BG will want at least one guy in the backcourt who plays "BG-esque D". Harder to justify Kendall given the emergence of Mills though, even though Kendall has been excellent this year.

[An5w3r]

Starters: CJ, Smith, Saville, Neilsen, Bogut.
Bench: Mills, Newley, Wortho, Anstey, Andersen, Redhage.


I like this side alot, but think Wortho/Redhage may need to fight for one spot, and the other spot left for that combo guard we've been debating.

Or maybe make Anstey/Andersen fight for one spot if we want to go a bit smaller...? They both play a similar game, but Andersen seems better at it and much more mobile. Not including both 7-footers on the bench would leave a bigs rotation of Bogut/Nielsen/Andersen/Worthington (or pinhead) which would do quite well IMO, but as soon as ONE of those guys goes down mid-comp, we're looking alot smaller. :?

[Da Houndawg #55]

To be honest I think we could use Smith as a combo guard and take another 2...

[The Minx]

i think the Best team of 12 we can go with if Mackinnon is injured is:

CJ/Mills
Smith/Newley
Wothington/Redhage
Nielsen/Andersen
Bogut/Anstey

For the last two guys, I would have Stephen Black and Joe Ingles. Ingles is one of the most talented youngsters we have and needs some Boomers experience. He can also handle the ball and is a decent defender. He probably won't get many minutes unless someone gets injured or foul trouble occurs. Black is one of the best combo guards in the league and you can't have enough pure shooters in international ball. Again he is not going to get huge minutes but in his limited time on the court, he has the potential to get hot from range. If he doesn't make it due to dislike from BG, i would prefer to see Damien Ryan in his place. Kendall is a solid NBL player and has played his role on the kings well this year but i see no place for him on a full strength international side.

For the starters, Smith gets to nod over Newley to give us some good perimeter defence as we are a bit weak in this area at the PG spot. I also prefer Wortho to start over Redhage as Wortho's perimeter game is superior which is more important as this team already has numerous low post and interior threats. With the depth in the big man department, there probably isn't a requirement to take Jawai as Neilsen, Andersen and Bogut will all get big minutes. Also is there any news on Nielsen's Insurance situation?

[An5w3r]

To be honest I think we could use Smith as a combo guard and take another 2...

There's a reason he only dribbles up the court on fast breaks.. :lol:

Actually, I think even then he passes off and camps for a kick-out or runs a lane for a catch and finish... :P

[Da Houndawg #55]

To be honest I think we could use Smith as a combo guard and take another 2...

There's a reason he only dribbles up the court on fast breaks.. :lol:

Actually, I think even then he passes off and camps for a kick-out or runs a lane for a catch and finish... :P
So... you protect him like Goorjian's been protecting Kendall in Boomers line-ups by giving him other ball handlers and share duties around a bit.

[An5w3r]

So... you protect him like Goorjian's been protecting Kendall in Boomers line-ups by giving him other ball handlers and share duties around a bit.

Was that necessary? ;)

I think Kendall's a great ball handler.. I don't remember the last time I saw him have it stolen from him bringing it up..

This is actually another great reason to include Saville. He's effectively a 1/2/3 and small 4...

[lukus13]

My 2c worth.

PG CJ/Mills/Ryan
SG Newley/Smith (purely for his leadership)
SF Wortho/Sav
PF Nielsen/Andersen
C Bogut/Anstey

I think the last spot comes down to either Ogilvy/Jawai or Barlow.

I think you have to include Sav as he can defend 2-4. Sav's defence gets him the nod over Redhage imo.

[Da Houndawg #55]

So... you protect him like Goorjian's been protecting Kendall in Boomers line-ups by giving him other ball handlers and share duties around a bit.

Was that necessary? ;)

I think Kendall's a great ball handler.. I don't remember the last time I saw him have it stolen from him bringing it up..

This is actually another great reason to include Saville. He's effectively a 1/2/3 and small 4...
It's not a specific shot at Kendall, he's protected all of the young guys coming off the bench Bruce and Ryan as well... Kendall's just the noteworthy one because he's been in the same spot longer than most.

You see who Goorjian plays him alongside, more often than not he's got a decent decision-maker/ball handler alongside of him to ease pressure.

If you're going to do that anyway I don't see the point in not using Smith as that combo guy... I mean he's a better decision maker, not better at bringing the ball up the floor, but he's doubtless a better decision maker.

How many times did we see Kendall give the ball to someone in a worse position than himself in the last tournament?

[odie]

Whatever the case, the pressure will be on Goorj and the players to perform. They really should challenge for a medal.

Really looking forward to the games.

Does anyone know any details about TV coverage yet?

[Coachpete]

Whatever the case, the pressure will be on Goorj and the players to perform. They really should challenge for a medal.

Really looking forward to the games.

Does anyone know any details about TV coverage yet?

If it's like most Olympic basketball coverage over the years it'll be patchy at best with plenty of frequent crosses to all the "important" sports

[Daevo]

Like lawn bowls :roll: :wink: :lol:

[odie]

Like lawn bowls :roll: :wink: :lol:

I would watch lawn bowls any day before I watch Equestrian!

Even the horses are homosexual! :lol:

[devils]

I know there is still awhile until they announce groups for the olympics (a lot later that other years) msotly to do with the late qualifying tournaments.

Is there any plans on lead up games? it seems the teams lineup is going to be very new. I'd love to see a fair of practice games, for guys like redhage, ogilvie, jawai etc, just to see how they go on an international level.

I think once we take out injured players (when have we ever had a full squad?) and use some lead up games to see who is best at international ball, then I think the team will be much, much clearer.

[misty hyman]

Like lawn bowls :roll: :wink: :lol:

I would watch lawn bowls any day before I watch Equestrian!

Even the horses are homosexual! :lol:

Don't hide your prejudice, flickwit. :x

[Lemon Custard]

Like lawn bowls :roll: :wink: :lol:

Don't mock it til you tried it man! UNE are National Champs at Lawn Bowls (and Rugby... but who cares about that?) and at Uni Games this year it was killer. Couple of beers, grab your mates, sit on the side of the lanes and it's a great day all round. Sure you get dehydrated, drunk and sunburnt, but it's totally worth it. :D My Grandpa would be so proud!

[jingles]

I'd like to see:

Bruton
Newley
Bogut
Anstey
Mackinnon

Mills
Harvey
Andersen
Nielsen
Worthington

Black
Redhage

I really like Ogilvys game but will be more ready for the Worlds.

[franny]

I'd like to see:

Bruton
Newley
Bogut
Anstey
Mackinnon

Mills
Harvey
Andersen
Nielsen
Worthington

Black
Redhage



Pretty close but it's a well-known fact that Black will not be selected. Barlow should go to Beijing. Goorjian won't pick Harvey either, even though he should.

[jingles]

So Kendall and Smith will replace Black and Harvey?

Bah, that sux

[franny]

So Kendall and Smith will replace Black and Harvey?

Bah, that sux

It's a good thing the bigs select themselves, because if it were upto Goorjian anything could happen (remember the Hinder experiment?).

IMO Goorjian is much more likely to select Kendall than either Harvey or Ingles, which is a joke. I know Ingles plays a different position, already go the 2 point guards we need though. Fuck off Kendall from international ball.

[jingles]

I personally dont believe that Ingles is quite ready but we need a shooter like Harvey.

I like the bigs we have with Bogut, Anstey, Andersen and Nielsen.

Locks should be:

Bruton
Newley
Bogut
Anstey
Mackinnon (if healthy)

Mills
Andersen
Nielsen
Worthington

[Mike]

Like lawn bowls :roll: :wink: :lol:

Don't mock it til you tried it man!

damn lawn bowls is the shit, get soo pumped, great fun to watch espec with dumbass mate wandering (who found out that the bar had Cruisers) what the grannys would be like when they had one to many cruisers,

to quote him
"imagine laura and cheryl saying nudey runs anyone, stripping down and doing a few laps, i would pay to see that"


yuck

[garvs]

i think the Best team of 12 we can go with if Mackinnon is injured is:

CJ/Mills
Smith/Newley
Wothington/Redhage
Nielsen/Andersen
Bogut/Anstey

For the last two guys, I would have Stephen Black and Joe Ingles.

I really like the sound of that squad with minor alterations

C- Bogut / Andersen
PF- Nielsen / Anstey
SF- Wothington / Redhage
SG- Newley / Smith (if not injured) otherwise a shooter like "Harvey" maybe to come in
PG- CJ / Mills

now with the extra 2 spots being either of the following Mackinnon & Jawai going big or small Ryan & Mackinnon or a different combo of Harvey & Mackinnon?

need to remember the type of international teams they will be up against and they will be fairly tall teams!

so imo we will need some extra height...

thats my 2c worth lol

[gangsta boo]

There was an article in yesterdays SMH regarding Matt Nielsen's availability for the Boomers. Looks like it could be all that insurance BS from the World Championships all over again :(

[odie]

Like lawn bowls :roll: :wink: :lol:

I would watch lawn bowls any day before I watch Equestrian!

Even the horses are homosexual! :lol:

Don't hide your prejudice, flickwit. :x

That's right I am a horseaphobe! :roll:

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

There was an article in yesterdays SMH regarding Matt Nielsen's availability for the Boomers. Looks like it could be all that insurance BS from the World Championships all over again :(

If he really wants to play, then he should play and pay the insurance himself...it's the olymics foryour country, and probably your last chance to medal!

[pj]

This is absurd.
What about Newley and Andersen?
Anstey did write (on his website) I think, that he paid his own at one time.
That may have been extra insurance against his salary tho.

[rjd]

There was an article in yesterdays SMH regarding Matt Nielsen's availability for the Boomers. Looks like it could be all that insurance BS from the World Championships all over again :(

If BA really wants Nielsen, they will have to put forward a reasonable insurance deal. The question is, should Nielsen have to pitch in on his own insurance? BA's gotta do everything they can, but like last time, I doubt they'll offer a decent insurance deal.

[Cussy]

Like lawn bowls :roll: :wink: :lol:

I would watch lawn bowls any day before I watch Equestrian!

Even the horses are homosexual! :lol:

Don't hide your prejudice, flickwit. :x

That's right I am a horseaphobe! :roll:
:lol: :lol:

[Poida]

There was an article in yesterdays SMH regarding Matt Nielsen's availability for the Boomers. Looks like it could be all that insurance BS from the World Championships all over again :(

If BA really wants Nielsen, they will have to put forward a reasonable insurance deal. The question is, should Nielsen have to pitch in on his own insurance? BA's gotta do everything they can, but like last time, I doubt they'll offer a decent insurance deal.

FAO BOGUT: Please help a brother out.

[bucky]

Maybe someone needs to start a "Friends of Matt Neilson" fund like the Friends of the Hawks fund.

I'll throw a Fifty his way like I did with the Hawks :D

[coast2coast]

So Kendall and Smith will replace Black and Harvey?

Bah, that sux

It's a good thing the bigs select themselves, because if it were upto Goorjian anything could happen (remember the Hinder experiment?).

IMO Goorjian is much more likely to select Kendall than either Harvey or Ingles, which is a joke. I know Ingles plays a different position, already go the 2 point guards we need though. (Extremely Naughty Word!) off Kendall from international ball.

So, at the time and with who was available, who would you have taken in front of Hiinder?

Everyone seems to forget there were few available bigs available at different times. Even Neil Mottram was selected for the Commonwealth Games team and that selection does not get any flack because he does not play for Goorjian. Of the two it would be difficult to argue for the inclusion of Mottram in front of Hinder.

[36ers]

Is Anstey definitely playing? Great news if true.

[36ers]

Why is no one including Markovic???

[insideout]

Hey! despite th BG influence (and maybe promises) Saville has not been consistant enough to win a Boomer's top this season.

Worthington and Redage sharing the 3 spot will do me.

NO, No ,No to Kendall, flashy, knows where the basket is but the main man at point must be the the team decision maker. Mills will be a walk up start along with CJ. You cant forget Harvey despite my dislike of him. The team needs an enforcer and the bonus that he can shoot would be helpful.

Inglis has not shown out this season so his selection would be most unlikely. I would like to see Anstey's old head included.

International Basketball now days is all about exact execution at high speed. Not only do we have to be capable of exceptional scoring but quick enough on defensive transition to stay in the game. We cant get by with chosing Australias's best scorers. If we do then we will once again scurry home with our heads down.

Such an outcome would have me pleading with BA to put their money into the OPALS and stop waisting it.

[Coachpete]

The team needs an enforcer

Harvey?????? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh yeah....he's got tatts..... :lol:

[coast2coast]

Why is no one including Markovic???

Why would you. He had not proved he was capable of holding down a starting spot in the NBL before he went to Europe and he has done little there to suggest he is much better.

CJ and Mills are ahead of him without doubt and even Kendall would be in front of him.

[Stumps]

The scary thing is that if Black is unavailable for whatever the usual reason is, and Mee is still hampered by injury*, Kendall is probably the frontrunner for that 12th man combo guard roll almost on pure merit!

* The team needs some options with a bit of size at PG (with the small Bruton and Mills the shoo-ins), meaning I would take Mee as the naturalised player if healthy, rather than Redhage who duplicates what we already have.

[odie]

The scary thing is that if Black is unavailable for whatever the usual reason is, and Mee is still hampered by injury*, Kendall is probably the frontrunner for that 12th man combo guard roll almost on pure merit!

* The team needs some options with a bit of size at PG (with the small Bruton and Mills the shoo-ins), meaning I would take Mee as the naturalised player if healthy, rather than Redhage who duplicates what we already have.

I would still include Bruce over Kendall purely for his size at the point. His form hasn't been great for Baylor, due to lack of opportunity, however I feel he would be a more solid, dependable point guard than Kendall. His D has improved as well.

[Lietuva]

Markovic is legitimate. His ULEB Stats 2007-2008: MPG 19:11 ,PPG 8.5 ,RPG 2.6 ,APG 1.9, FPG 4.3. I believe these numbers are very productive in under 20 mins per game. But his fouls are a concern, could be torched by the quicker teams of U.S, Spain.

[misty hyman]

Like lawn bowls :roll: :wink: :lol:

I would watch lawn bowls any day before I watch Equestrian!

Even the horses are homosexual! :lol:

Don't hide your prejudice, flickwit. :x

That's right I am a horseaphobe! :roll:

That's not what you wrote, fuckwit.

[Mammon]

Why is no one including Markovic???


cos his name is hesuk, hesuk markusakavic.

[Stumps]

I would still include Bruce over Kendall purely for his size at the point.
Eh? Kendall is 2-3 inches taller than Bruce.

[redred]

with the exception of Andersen and Anstey, who are both in MVP-type form,i would like the Boomers to do scrap some of the old guys and start playing the guys who will be there long term. Look at teams like Greece and Argentina- they have played well above their talent level because theyve been together for a long time. The Boomers seem to have a new look every time out.

c boguts
f andersen
f wortho
g newley
g bruton

c anstey
f jawai
f redhage
g barlow
g mills

f ingles
c ogilvy


let the kids run riot. or fall flat on their faces. In any case, see what theyre made of. If Makckinnon and Nielsen arent available, we may as well.

[odie]

I would still include Bruce over Kendall purely for his size at the point.
Eh? Kendall is 2-3 inches taller than Bruce.

My bad, they are actually the same height at 6ft3. I thought Kendall was 6ft for some reason.. I dunno.. Must be my age!! :oops:

[Stumps]

I would still include Bruce over Kendall purely for his size at the point.
Eh? Kendall is 2-3 inches taller than Bruce.
My bad, they are actually the same height at 6ft3. I thought Kendall was 6ft for some reason.. I dunno.. Must be my age!! :oops:
Bruce is more like 6'2", Kendall is at least 6'4".

[Stumps]

Just for clarification:

Kendall is listed as 193 cm (193 cm = 6'4").

Bruce is listed as 189 cm (188 cm = 6'2").

[Silencer83]

Markovic is legitimate. His ULEB Stats 2007-2008: MPG 19:11 ,PPG 8.5 ,RPG 2.6 ,APG 1.9, FPG 4.3. I believe these numbers are very productive in under 20 mins per game. But his fouls are a concern, could be torched by the quicker teams of U.S, Spain.

I wouldn't say very productive, they are normal numbers for a back up PG. For example in the NBL this season these are the stats for the back up point guards:

Adam Gibson: 31.08mpg 11.48ppg 3.42rpg 4.03apg 1spg 1.61tpg 3.82fpg

Dontaye Draper: 28.72mpg 14.08ppg 3.17rpg 4.5apg 1.81spg 2.86tpg 2.39fpg :P

Kelvin Robertson: 25.25mpg 10.5ppg 2.03rpg 2apg 1spg 1.09tpg 1.56fpg

Paul Henare: 23.6mpg 3.96ppg 2.11rpg 3.59apg 0.59spg 1.41tpg 3fpg

Nathan Crosswell*: 23.41mpg 7.4ppg 2.23rpg 4.37apg 0.54spg 1.77tpg 1.63fpg

Darryl McDonald*: 23.07mpg 7.49ppg 3rpg 3.89apg 1.74spg 2.34tpg 1.29fpg

Daniel Joyce: 22.63mpg 5.13ppg 1.65rpg 2.23apg 0.26spg 1.35tpg 2.29fpg

Graeme Dann: 22.15mpg 8.04ppg 4.25rpg 3.21apg 0.82spg 2.46tpg 3fpg

Brad Robbins: 21.18mpg 6.06ppg 2.67rpg 2.36apg 1.39spg 1.79tpg 3.03fpg

John Fitzgerald: 19.98mpg 5.72ppg 3.28rpg 0.72apg 0.52spg 1.14tpg 2.66fpg

Scott Cook: 18.7mpg 6.1ppg 1.6rpg 1.77apg 0.87spg 0.77tpg 1.57fpg

Jeremy Kench: 18.55mpg 6.1ppg 1.83rpg 2.66apg 0.79spg 1.83tpg 2.41fpg

Luke Martin: 17.1mpg 4.29ppg 1.61rpg 2.57apg 0.54spg 2.04tpg 1.68fpg

Matt Sutton: 12.68mpg 3.12ppg 1.44rpg 1apg 0.12spg 0.72tpg 1.4fpg

*D-mac started for the first half of the season then Crosswell started the second half so I have included both

[rjd]

You can't compare stats between ULEB and NBL like that. NBL is faster paced, higher scoring, with more minutes per game. The stats reflect that.

For example, Nielsen, who's a lock selection for the Boomers, averaged 11 and 6 as an import last season in ULEB competition.

[geespots]

to put black in would be enough for me to stop supporting aussie B/Ball. Can't defend worth a sh-t, and cries to daddy everytime something goes wrong.

[Silencer83]

You can't compare stats between ULEB and NBL like that. NBL is faster paced, higher scoring, with more minutes per game. The stats reflect that.

For example, Nielsen, who's a lock selection for the Boomers, averaged 11 and 6 as an import last season in ULEB competition.

Well that is fair enough (I don't pretend to know about any of the overseas leagues) I just pointed out that the stats no matter how you look at them are not spectacular.

[metalslugsman]

Interesting debate - it will be very interesting to see who actually gets in.

With regards to Kendall, 12 months ago there is no way i would have supported him in another Boomers team - no hate, just not up to it IMO. Now, though, if he can be a little more dispassionate during games i can see him on the Boomers squad, somewhere near the end of the bench as a combo back up, particularly if the other option is Stephen Black. When hot, Black is a better shooter, but, he is streaky and Kendall has it over him with regards to size, strength, defense, ball handling and ability to score in ways other than shooting the 3. Don't know enough about Bruce to compare, but i think that Kendall would have the spot over Markovic as well, who was thoroughly underwhelming against the Kiwis

Wortho vs Red: Although they both nominally fill the 3 spot they are quite different in the way they play. Wortho is a great spot up shooter and a back to the bucket type - more of a power game and perhaps is a bit of an undersized 4? Redhage is more of a face up slasher/shooter and a hustle player - probably not as good from range as Wortho, but still serviceable. The decision on these two is probably related to who else is in the forwards for the team. IF we get a full complement of our marquee forwards/centres from Europe/US, then Redhage is a better complement as he does not need the low post to be backing down players for the score. If the forwards are depleted then Wortho is the better option as he gives another solid post option - although he may be outsized and have his effectiveness reduced

[whupass]

There was an article in yesterdays SMH regarding Matt Nielsen's availability for the Boomers. Looks like it could be all that insurance BS from the World Championships all over again :(

Heard it form a good mate of Nielsens on Saturday that he is in the same boat this year regarding his insurance. BA refuses to pay, last time it was i think $50 large.

I say why should he pay it himself? He makes around 1 Mil US per. That needs to be insured, its his lively hood.

Now before you guys bay for blood; hear me out. Do you know how much Scott Derwent is on per annum? I do and its a lot. What about Lorraine Landon? Nicole Pensko? Pat Hunt? I say sack one of these administrators and we could insure the whole team mens and womens!!

For a measely $50 grand we missed out on Matty Nielsen playing for the Boomers at the 06 worlds, thats BS!! By all reports Nielsen is tearing it up and has been offered a further years extension, which would take it too 2010, that's unheard of over there!! I am hearing he would tear Anstey a new one right now!! If thats the case we need him in Bejing!!

Cough it up BA...

[SB.1]

Wortho vs Red: Although they both nominally fill the 3 spot they are quite different in the way they play. Wortho is a great spot up shooter and a back to the bucket type - more of a power game and perhaps is a bit of an undersized 4? Redhage is more of a face up slasher/shooter and a hustle player - probably not as good from range as Wortho, but still serviceable. The decision on these two is probably related to who else is in the forwards for the team. IF we get a full complement of our marquee forwards/centres from Europe/US, then Redhage is a better complement as he does not need the low post to be backing down players for the score. If the forwards are depleted then Wortho is the better option as he gives another solid post option - although he may be outsized and have his effectiveness reduced

Good post. The other factor that will come into play is that there is only one naturalised spot, so if Mee (for example) turns out to fill more of a hole than Redhage, then Wortho would get the nod. Bit like in '96 when Longley dropped out - Fisher in, Grace out from memory. I'm not sure who the other naturalised candidates are (if any).

[Lietuva]

I believe Markovic will be a productive player. He spent probably 2-3 years in Red Star Belgrade. He's played with the likes of Prokom Trefl Sopot's Milan Gurovic, probably the best player in the ULEB Cup last season. That will develop him a lot. He's playing also in the Adriatic League, a bloody tough league, tougher than Nielsen's Baltic Basketball League.

He's having a breakout season with the club.

His stats in the Adriatic League: 17:48 mins, 6.5 pts, 44.1% FGM, 40.3% 3PTS 81.5% FTM 1.8 OR , 0.4 DR, 1.6 ASS 0.8 STA, 1.2 TO.
Pros: Good perimeter shooter , doesn't turn the ball over quickly in the short amount of time.
Cons: Low Assists- probably a offensive based guard, need to be aggressive on defence.

I do think however he is adapting well in the European competitions and is a legitimate contender.

[nbr334]

with the exception of Andersen and Anstey, who are both in MVP-type form,i would like the Boomers to do scrap some of the old guys and start playing the guys who will be there long term. Look at teams like Greece and Argentina- they have played well above their talent level because theyve been together for a long time. The Boomers seem to have a new look every time out.

c boguts
f andersen
f wortho
g newley
g bruton

c anstey
f jawai
f redhage
g barlow
g mills

f ingles
c ogilvy


let the kids run riot. or fall flat on their faces. In any case, see what theyre made of. If Makckinnon and Nielsen aren't available, we may as well.

I support your view. The injection of youth brings a new feel and a fresh beginning. More importantly we have an abundance of fresh talent that would highly benefit from such an event.

I agree with the players listed and I really think its a strong unit to build a foundation for the future of Australian international play. I also think it can compete. Get rid of these guys like Smith and Kendall and lets get legit about what we're doing here. :P

I'd only be looking at the following and its most of what you've displayed, but to add into consideration, Harvey, Mackinnon and you mentioned Neilsen.

[redred]

yeah! another reason i like this idea is that BG really has an ability to get his young, hustle-based teams to overacheive, whereas hes had a number of run-ins with more veteran players in the past.

I have a feeling a young up and coming team would do quite well, and would set us up with a core group who are familiar with playing with one another for the next decade or so.

[coast2coast]

with the exception of Andersen and Anstey, who are both in MVP-type form,i would like the Boomers to do scrap some of the old guys and start playing the guys who will be there long term. Look at teams like Greece and Argentina- they have played well above their talent level because theyve been together for a long time. The Boomers seem to have a new look every time out.

c boguts
f andersen
f wortho
g newley
g bruton

c anstey
f jawai
f redhage
g barlow
g mills

f ingles
c ogilvy


let the kids run riot. or fall flat on their faces. In any case, see what theyre made of. If Makckinnon and Nielsen aren't available, we may as well.

I support your view. The injection of youth brings a new feel and a fresh beginning. More importantly we have an abundance of fresh talent that would highly benefit from such an event.

I agree with the players listed and I really think its a strong unit to build a foundation for the future of Australian international play. I also think it can compete. Get rid of these guys like Smith and Kendall and lets get legit about what we're doing here. :P

I'd only be looking at the following and its most of what you've displayed, but to add into consideration, Harvey, Mackinnon and you mentioned Neilsen.


This all sounds good but I don't think you will see Goorjian coaching the Boomers past the Olympics this year. If that is the case he will pick what he believes is the best team for this Olympics and not the following Olympics or World Championships. At full strength and with all players available it will be the Boomers best chance for a medal.

[Virus]

c boguts
f andersen
f wortho
g newley
g bruton

c anstey
f jawai
f redhage
g barlow
g mills

f ingles
c ogilvy
.

Given how well he has played in this pressure cooked grand final series, I think Barlow has definitely shot ahead of Harvey, Ingles, Black and Ryan for the back up shooting guard spot if Smith's injured shoulder rules him out of contention. His defence has also been impressive, which would definitely give him an edge as Smith's replacement, especially over Harvey and Black.

[insideout]

Coach BG is a winner! I cant see him heading off to the Olympics with a junior development team. Frankly BG, regardless of his amazing NBL record, has his balls on the line if the Boomers dont make a major improvement this time round.

Lets remember that BA and the ASC have put an enourmous amount of money into the elite end of Basketball. Both will desperately want a result that justifys the investment.

No sentiment! BG has to do well.

[blueberry]

I wasn't impressed with him against NZ.. But believe he would have developed a great deal in Elatha (that's greek for Greece)
So what's "Hellas" then?

I misspelt it anyway, they call it Elada... and Hella's is another name they have for it? Or maybe Hella's is like our Boomers? (haven't checked sources on that..)

Anyway greek people say "elada, potrithas" which means "greece, my country".. Not sure on the spelling but i'm sure Poida could help me out..

I (we?) digress...

Its actually pronounced the way Stumps wrote it. My mother goes to Elatha to visit her sister not to Elada

[rjd]

The Barlow selection is a really interesting one.

Back in 2006, Goorjian went with 3 small forwards. Barlow was the Boomers starting 3 man (he was a King at the time, if that is relevant ;) ). He has since improved, taking on a leading role so far in the GF series. Worthington has improved out of sight in the past couple years since his 2006 WC appearance. No doubt Goorj and Joyce will be keen to retain a veteran like Sav, since it looks like Mac won't be there.

Do you think Goorj will go with three 3-men again for the Olympics? If so, maybe it's a battle between Barlow and Redhage for that third SF -- an athletic pure shooting 24-year-old 6'9" swingman, or a more rounded 27-year-old 6'8" 3/4 with a stronger post presence.

I don't think it's a "Wortho or Redhage" scenario as many have implied. Barlow would bolster the backcourt, with the ability to swing to the 2 spot (with a question mark over Smith's health, this could be important), whereas Redhage could spend some time at the 4 spot (a mobile 4 may be wanted to replace Nielsen). It's really a team balance pick, rather than a "who is better" pick.

[nbr334]

with the exception of Andersen and Anstey, who are both in MVP-type form,i would like the Boomers to do scrap some of the old guys and start playing the guys who will be there long term. Look at teams like Greece and Argentina- they have played well above their talent level because theyve been together for a long time. The Boomers seem to have a new look every time out.

c boguts
f andersen
f wortho
g newley
g bruton

c anstey
f jawai
f redhage
g barlow
g mills

f ingles
c ogilvy


let the kids run riot. or fall flat on their faces. In any case, see what theyre made of. If Makckinnon and Nielsen aren't available, we may as well.

I support your view. The injection of youth brings a new feel and a fresh beginning. More importantly we have an abundance of fresh talent that would highly benefit from such an event.

I agree with the players listed and I really think its a strong unit to build a foundation for the future of Australian international play. I also think it can compete. Get rid of these guys like Smith and Kendall and lets get legit about what we're doing here. :P

I'd only be looking at the following and its most of what you've displayed, but to add into consideration, Harvey, Mackinnon and you mentioned Neilsen.


This all sounds good but I don't think you will see Goorjian coaching the Boomers past the Olympics this year. If that is the case he will pick what he believes is the best team for this Olympics and not the following Olympics or World Championships. At full strength and with all players available it will be the Boomers best chance for a medal.

To clear my view. I wouldn't expect as you mention and wouldn't want to see a 'complete' injection of youth. My sole belief is that the majority of our youth players are very talented and warrant a spot on the squad. An assortment of them will allow us to compete, because I believe they are that good. Barlow, Jawai, Mills, Bogut, Worthington, Newley 'much' of what is already established in that list I would love to see. However, as I pointed out originally I would like to see the likes of Harvey, MacKinnon, Nielsen get a run. If I put something on paper, it would look like the following:

My projected 15 man squad:

c&f - Bogut, Anstey, Nielsen, Andersen, Jawai
g&f - Mackinnon, Worthington, Barlow, Newley, Ingles, Saville
g - Mills, Harvey, Bruton, Bruce

I think thats the strongest unit I could put together on paper to send to Beijing. Predominately youth with an assortment of experience. A deeply talented team, that should instill a smoother and higher tempo style of play, that should allow us to excel on the international stage.

[franny]

That's the best squad I've seen so far, nbr334. Probably NF chance Goorjian will pick anything close to that though. He seems mired in the old guard with Smith almost a lock which is a joke. If Kendall plays it's a mockery of the Australia Post Boomers system.

[Dunkin' Dan]

Pffft... that's just Mills, Bruton & Jawai, plus a bunch of crackers!

[franny]

Pffft... that's just Mills, Bruton & Jawai, plus a bunch of crackers!

Umm, most of our team are crackers.

[Mike]

dans bringing back the humour from the offtopic section

[Stumps]

Poor old franny ... if only he knew how much SLAPPING he gets in Off Topic.

[HunterPirates]

c boguts
f andersen
f wortho
g newley
g bruton

c anstey
f jawai
f redhage
g barlow
g mills

f ingles
c ogilvy


This team wouldn't beat South Africa.

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

c boguts
f andersen
f wortho
g newley
g bruton

c anstey
f jawai
f redhage
g barlow
g mills

f ingles
c ogilvy


This team wouldn't beat South Africa.

Yeah, they would

[ash_24]

c boguts
f andersen
f wortho
g newley
g bruton

c anstey
f jawai
f redhage
g barlow
g mills

f ingles
c ogilvy
This team wouldn't beat South Africa.
That was either a not-so-obvious joke, or I give you: :shock: :? :roll:

[kimbev]

My team would be:

Starters
C: Bogut
F: Anstey
F: Redhage
G: Newley
G: Bruton

Bench
C: Jawai
F: Andersen
F: Nielsen
F: Worthington
F/G: Barlow
G: Harvey
G: Mills

[metalslugsman]

Pffft... that's just Mills, Bruton & Jawai, plus a bunch of crackers!

Umm, most of our team are crackers.most of the posters on ozhoops are crackers

[Da Houndawg #55]

Pffft... that's just Mills, Bruton & Jawai, plus a bunch of crackers!

Umm, most of our team are crackers.most of the posters on ozhoops are crackers
I disagree.

Only one of the Ozhoopers to my knowledge is known as "Crackers".

There's a better case for "Most of the posters on Ozhoops are lucky"...

[Cussy]

Poor old franny ... if only he knew how much SLAPPING he gets in Off Topic.

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[metalslugsman]

[quote="Dunkin' Dan":fv99l2c0]Pffft... that's just Mills, Bruton & Jawai, plus a bunch of crackers!

Umm, most of our team are crackers.most of the posters on ozhoops are crackers
I disagree.

Only one of the Ozhoopers to my knowledge is known as "Crackers".

There's a better case for "Most of the posters on Ozhoops are lucky"...[/quote:fv99l2c0]i've seen photos of your tits - you are definitely a cracker. i'm a cracker, franny's a cracker (& crackers)

i think from comments posted in the past that Shaq is not a cracker

[HunterPirates]

c boguts
f andersen
f wortho
g newley
g bruton

c anstey
f jawai
f redhage
g barlow
g mills

f ingles
c ogilvy
This team wouldn't beat South Africa.
That was either a not-so-obvious joke, or I give you: :shock: :? :roll:


Attempted humour :arrow: :arrow:

[Dunkin' Dan]

Shaq is not a cracker
:shock: Racist!
Please don't use "n********er" in here.

[HunterPirates]

http://www.africabasket.com/RSA/nt.asp

[metalslugsman]

Shaq is not a cracker
:shock: Racist!
Please don't use "n********er" in here.sorry DD and sorry to Shaq as well if i have offended you with my base and boorish manners

[ash_24]

http://www.africabasket.com/RSA/nt.asp
Speaking of the Sth African basketball team, it does remind me of sitting next to a couple of them a train during the Commonwealth Games, after the Australia v England game. (And it also reminds me that it's been two whole years since. Time flies!) Both easily over 6'7, I'd never felt so short.

That really wasn't anything to do with anything, just felt like sharing.... :)

[Shaq]

Shaq is not a cracker
:shock: Racist!
Please don't use "n********er" in here.sorry DD and sorry to Shaq as well if i have offended you with my base and boorish manners

All good man, I actually thought it was funny! :lol:

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

so, the finals are done.

The Opals were announced in the next few days! When do we find out?

[jbamore]

Finally found time to put forth my 2 cents worth.....

Who we have to pick from:

PG
CJ
Lock, should be there for experience, but not overplayed

Mills
Lock, must be better at decision-making in trans when nothing on (needs to keep dribble alive better).....mins will depend on form/how handles the stage

Markovic
Highly unlikely, but sad he does not get more of a look from BG, plays style of game for this level, body-type, etc

Damo Martin
Just not at this level yet, should get exposure in the lead-in & post Beijing, despite lacking Off, brings other thigns to table

Robbins
Ditto above, although better Off than Damo

Gibson
Don't feel he's a true PG, needs to improve handle and decisions under pressure, but very good defender (could be great at international level) and has body to compete against bigger people...

Bruce
Stock has dropped big time last 18 mnths (see Baylor mins) since Mills tore him up at PM's 1st Boomers Camp, not a PG anyway

Mee
Would think past it now...

Ryan
Combo guard, not at this level

Black
Perhaps a wild-card, will BG's dislike (him and his dad) be enough to keep him off the team - likely out for the next guy....and probably not at the level (too selfish).

Kendall
"The Polarizer!"....cause people seem to love him or hate him. We know where BG stands, just a matter of someone doing enough to keep him out. Personally......yes was much better in the NBL this year, but not up to the International level from what I have seen.

WINGS
Newley
Close as we have to a lock at this spot. Hopefully has grown up a bit playing in Greece and is starting to at least care about Def (other than blocking shots).

Smith
Highly likely BG will take him.....not likely I would. A decent defender in NBL (gets away with smarts and effort), he is terrible at the international level, was horrible against NZ, not known for their ability take people off the dribble.

Ingles
50-50, probably on the outside with BG for now (rightly so). If only he would make the commitment to be great...could play 10 years in the NBA at least getting 20 mins per off the bench. Hope I'm wrong, but likely to go down as a wasted talent (but still have a good NBL career).

Barlow
Where does he stand with BG? Where's his head at? Looks to have improved mentally, has lots of tools for the position.

Saville
Past his prime, may be on the outside looking in if Barlow does well in camps. Not sure BG really trusts him and may see more Wortho at the 3.

Harvey
Not a BG type guy....and a good thing as his game is not up to International level (or the drug testing at the Olympics!!).

(Daniel) Dillon
Be interesting to see if he gets another shot at the extended squad...don't think he's up to the final team, but an interesting talent (pity he didn't go to a mid-major instead of Arizona)

FORWARDS
Sammy Mac
All depends on the injury. Rehabbing takes longer with age, and sounds less than 50-50 if people on the Boards r 2 b believed!

Wortho
A lock with BG coaching and a (very) good NBL season under his belt. Unfortunately NBL achievement does not necessarily translate to International success. Cat-man-doo is the best example of this (and plenty will say due to lack of opptnty), but their style of game could work here....but not against good International teams.
Well, Wortho is similar and on top of it I think he's mentally weak. Have seen him in person at various stages (other than NBL play) and he does NOT impress me. Be very interested to see what he would do under a different coach (Dunlap doesn't count either!!), as BG makes it real easy 4 him....

Nielsen
Another mental midget under pressure for much of his career, improved sum the last couple years playing in Europe. The insurance situation is a joke if it stops him playing (but no surprise)....if it's the real reason.

Loughton
A very good NBL season, a bit like Wortho with how does his game translate.....? Jury is out, but needs exposure and opportunity.

Redhage
Would love to say we wouldn't include non-Ozzies unless they were outstanding (e.g. Olajuwon for USA) as our standard and depth at most positions has significantly improved....BUT we have to put the best team on the floor, and there's a good chance he can be part of it cause right now his game is better than a guy like Loughton. Will BG agree....??

BIGS
(our deepest position, imagine that! The AIS has an excellent record of developing bigs.....of the 1st 7 all bar one attended)

Bogut
Lock! Let's hope he plays with more passion than he did in Japan. His NBA form suggests a big tournament, but should not be looked on as a saviour....opponents will attack him off the dribble to get him in foul trouble. Must utilise his passing skills.

Andersen
Would have said a lock, but his form vs NZ was patchy. Can we afford to have him and Anstey together, as jump-shooting 7-footers???

Anstey
Does he want to play?? Despite protest to the contrary by Ozhoops poster's, I honestly don;t think he and BG get along. The Tigers system suits his game perfectly, just not sold on him in international play any longer.

Jawai
Should be there....unfortunately doesn't like BG, so this affects his attitude to the whole thing. He gives us something different to the other bigs, another good passer, and a shot blocker for a change (altho Bout is better this year). In my team

Ogilvy
Not ready. Defininte for the squad, but as we've seen in the SEC, he's a little way off being as effective against the bigger, more athletic players.

Baynes
Worth a long look. Plays with intensity and passion PLUS his strength is defence (how many in this squad can u say that about??), so obviously we need it. Totally outplayed the Boomers bigs (second tier) last year when they played at the AIS.

Maric
Has put up really solid numbers for an average team with a tough schedule. Depth keeps him out after the extended squad stage.

Neville
Puts up sum good numbers overall, but hasn't progressed. Some of the things we saw in his junior years here in Oz seem to be coming back (basically he's a bit of a weird guy!!). NBA potential, looking like it likely won't get fulfilled.....

Hinder
OMG not even in the extended squad please!

Crosswhite
Shown sum improvement physically, but need to see 2-3 years of commitment to basketball (and it's just not there).

Pepper, Melmeth
No


BEST GUESS AT BG's LINE-UP
CJ, Mills, Kendall
Newley, Smith, Barlow
Wortho, Saville, Redhage
Bogut, Andersen, Anstey

*This assumes Sammy Mac doesn't make it back and that Nielsen is not available.
- if Sam available, take out Saville
- if Matty available, take out Redhage
- if both available, both the above miss out

MY TEAM (if the past 6 or so years had been handled differently)
Markovic, Mills, CJ/Gibson (tough call, this group needs a defender with sum size)
Newley, Barlow, ....maybe Ingles? Very young....? (This is our weakest spot, we haven't done a good job developing wings, where's our dead-eye shooters??)
Nielsen, Redhage, Mackinnon (bail-out I know....if inj then Loughton)
Bogut, Andersen, Jawai (Baynes close, maybe ahead of Andersen if he had shown enough previously, altho the thought of him and Jawai together is a bit scary, they are rather combustible!!)


Back to ARBB's original post: Are the Boomers genuine medal contenders? Outside chance at best. The depth at the tournament will be sooooooo good......just don't think BG has shown anything as an international coach (sorry Moth) other than the good tourney in Europe right after taking over (when John Rille played a much bigger role than prior and since).BG is good (probably great) in NBL. As for how safe his position is, the people that matter at BA absolutely LOVE him and he will get another term if he wants one barring something terrible taking place.

I like redred's point about playing the kids, but this is not the time to start (note my group is if the last two major tournaments had been handled diff). Should have happened in Athens and Japan....Ronaldson, Hinder, etc should not have played those tournaments.

Just hope I haven't forgotten any1 obvious!!!!


Yes, that was a bit more than 2 cents worth......!!

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

thanks heaps for that jbamore, I enjoyed it!

[stellation]

Hey jbamore, good post- I appreciate a lot of thought has gone into it :)

Just on this point;

Bruce
Stock has dropped big time last 18 mnths (see Baylor mins) since Mills tore him up at PM's 1st Boomers Camp, not a PG anyway

Don't completely discount Bruce, I've been able to catch a couple of Baylor games and whilst his minutes have gone down he is still a very, very good young player and has morphed into a bit of a defensive stopper this year. When he is on court he isn't technically the 1, but the guy bringing the ball up the court 7 times out of 10 brings it up then gives it to Bruce up high for Aaron to setup the play (ala the point guards at Cleveland), every other play where they don't do that has Bruce sprinting around the baseline to get open. Not saying he is a Boomers lock, but I think he should be in the squad and given a chance to see what he can do in a different scheme.
BTW Baylor just got their first NCAA tourney nod in 20 years, nice way for Bruce to finish a stellar career.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Soo... he's playing a bit as a combo guard in a team that prior to his presence hasn't really looked like much of anything.

He's stepping up defensively, still setting up the show a lot of the time and he's improved his off the ball movement and rounded his game out with more wing play.

I sure wouldn't rule him out of the squad... I'd still definitely want to see him, seniors quite often get phased out and underutilised in the college game as younger guys come onto the scene and the program looks more to the future beyond them.

[stellation]

Exactly right houndawg (I initally abbreviated that to dh without thinking :lol: ).
On this point

I sure wouldn't rule him out of the squad... I'd still definitely want to see him, seniors quite often get phased out and underutilised in the college game as younger guys come onto the scene and the program looks more to the future beyond them.
I really think that is what happened to him, in the College bball thread in the world section there was a little discussion on Bruce and his % across the board had pretty much stayed the same across his whole career, it's just his minutes have dropped significantly (I think it was by about 10 mpg from his freshman through to his senior year).
The Baylor team is building, this trip to the tournament is important to them but they are really looking to next year and to putting together a strong culture- which Bruce has been a big part of. They have transitioned this year to now only the one starting senior, and that's just 'cause he is 6'9" and they have a big man shortage (I believe they've got a highly touted prospect for next year)- he isn't getting significant minutes. Just bad timing from Bruce, really.

[Da Houndawg #55]

I'll come clean as to why I made that little comment.

For years I've been irritated with the comment regarding "needing" Kendall in the team so that we have a combo guard for a multitude of reasons.

1. He can't play point guard adequately at an International level.
2. If we did need a combo guard (and we were to look past the fact that Kendall can't play point guard thus making himself illegible) there's better options available. Ryan, Black and I had a hunch that Bruce would be capable of playing a combo guard role well (which he's shown himself to be capable of for Baylor)
3. If Ryan or Black WEREN'T available, Jason Smith could still adequately play that position if others helped with the burden of bringing the ball up the floor.

That being said, this season's play from Kendall provides the best argument that he should be in the squad that we've seen in years... probably all bar his rookie year (in which he would have been getting looked too heavily on the grounds of potential).

[Stumps]

1. He can't play point guard adequately at an International level.
If his decision making and shot selection improvement this season transferred over to his international play (and there's no reason to believe this wouldn't be the case), I don't see why he couldn't. David Andersen has consistently shown himself to perform vastly better at club level than international level yet he still keeps getting picked on the basis of his club form.

2. If we did need a combo guard (and we were to look past the fact that Kendall can't play point guard thus making himself illegible) there's better options available. Ryan, Black and I had a hunch that Bruce would be capable of playing a combo guard role well (which he's shown himself to be capable of for Baylor)
If Mee is not selected, then I think you need to look at having a little physical versatility at the position -- Bruton and Mills are both reasonably small (particularly at international level) and in a similar physical mould. Kendall gives you a bit of size at the position (something he is using more effectively this season -- witness his nearly half a block a game) and somebody who has the length and anticipation to better contribute to a press or a full-court defence. If you have Mee, then you don't need Kendall for that, but if you don't, then he becomes an asset.

3. If Ryan or Black WEREN'T available, Jason Smith could still adequately play that position if others helped with the burden of bringing the ball up the floor.
So you're saying he could play point guard if he was alongside somebody else with point guard skills helping perform the point guard role? I really don't see the point of this (pardon the unintentional pun).

[Stumps]

That being said, this season's play from Kendall provides the best argument that he should be in the squad that we've seen in years... probably all bar his rookie year (in which he would have been getting looked too heavily on the grounds of potential).
Or the grounds of being either the leader or right among the leaders in both assists and steals while quarterbacking the best team in the league.

[Da Houndawg #55]

1. He can't play point guard adequately at an International level.
If his decision making and shot selection improvement this season transferred over to his international play (and there's no reason to believe this wouldn't be the case), I don't see why he couldn't. David Andersen has consistently shown himself to perform vastly better at club level than international level yet he still keeps getting picked on the basis of his club form.
There's no reason?

How about the fact that its never transferred over in any other year?

David Andersen is a different kettle of fish entirely. For one, the level of play that he brings to the Boomers is at least acceptable, and second of all he still plays a high calibre of defence even if not playing the same level of offense.

3. If Ryan or Black WEREN'T available, Jason Smith could still adequately play that position if others helped with the burden of bringing the ball up the floor.
So you're saying he could play point guard if he was alongside somebody else with point guard skills helping perform the point guard role? I really don't see the point of this (pardon the unintentional pun).

You don't need him playing alongside someone with point guard skills... you can protect a guy's ball handling without needing that.

For example, a few seasons ago the Sixers pretty much had whoever the hell felt like it bringing up the ball, because we had some guys who were decent ball handlers for their position and weren't giving up a great deal of bad turnovers. The problem stems when you have only one ball handler who's half decent, because then the defense can attack him and if the ball's out of his hands the team offense isn't nearly as effective (like last season's Sixers, for example, who had Maher and then... well not a lot). You don't need another point guard alongside, just a few guys who are capble of sharing responsibility.

[Da Houndawg #55]

That being said, this season's play from Kendall provides the best argument that he should be in the squad that we've seen in years... probably all bar his rookie year (in which he would have been getting looked too heavily on the grounds of potential).
Or the grounds of being either the leader or right among the leaders in both assists and steals while quarterbacking the best team in the league.
Well, I thought it was pretty clear what I meant, but if you feel the need to underline it with a quote and additional comment... whatever.

[Stumps]

If his decision making and shot selection improvement this season transferred over to his international play (and there's no reason to believe this wouldn't be the case), I don't see why he couldn't. David Andersen has consistently shown himself to perform vastly better at club level than international level yet he still keeps getting picked on the basis of his club form.
There's no reason?

How about the fact that its never transferred over in any other year?
When has he previously improved like he has over this season? What improvement has there previously been to transfer?

You don't need him playing alongside someone with point guard skills... you can protect a guy's ball handling without needing that.
I really don't understand why you would be naming a guy whose ball-carrying and distribution off the dribble are sub-par for his position even at NBL level. Wortho would be a better option at PG than Smith (and in fact he has played point forward at international level in the past). If you must pick somebody to suggest a reason that Goorjian only needs to select two specialist point guards (which I think we all know isn't going to happen), then I would go with him.

[Stumps]

[quote="Da Houndawg #55":5y9nfgrl]That being said, this season's play from Kendall provides the best argument that he should be in the squad that we've seen in years... probably all bar his rookie year (in which he would have been getting looked too heavily on the grounds of potential).
Or the grounds of being either the leader or right among the leaders in both assists and steals while quarterbacking the best team in the league.
Well, I thought it was pretty clear what I meant, but if you feel the need to underline it with a quote and additional comment... whatever.[/quote:5y9nfgrl]
His play then merited selection regardless of potential. He would have been just as justifiably picked as a 30-year-old. I'm not sure why you felt the need to include the word "too" ... it certainly suggests that if not for his age, he wouldn't have been in consideration.

[Da Houndawg #55]

If his decision making and shot selection improvement this season transferred over to his international play (and there's no reason to believe this wouldn't be the case), I don't see why he couldn't. David Andersen has consistently shown himself to perform vastly better at club level than international level yet he still keeps getting picked on the basis of his club form.
There's no reason?

How about the fact that its never transferred over in any other year?
When has he previously improved like he has over this season? What improvement has there previously been to transfer?
Are you seriously trying to tell me that he hasn't been improving EACH SEASON since hissecond year, when he came back from that rookie injury?

Every year we hear some argument that the improvement he's made warrants a place for him in the Boomers side.

You don't need him playing alongside someone with point guard skills... you can protect a guy's ball handling without needing that.
I really don't understand why you would be naming a guy whose ball-carrying and distribution off the dribble are sub-par for his position even at NBL level. Wortho would be a better option at PG than Smith (and in fact he has played point forward at international level in the past). If you must pick somebody to suggest a reason that Goorjian only needs to select two specialist point guards (which I think we all know isn't going to happen), then I would go with him.
Yes, but Wortho gets blown by with SFs at International level, he's hardly going to be defending PGs... O/D I see Smith as playing more the role of the point guard than Wortho, there's far more to it than just bringing the ball up the floor.

Hence I say Smith is capable of playing the point if he has people help shoulder the burden of that particular aspect.

[Da Houndawg #55]

[quote="Da Houndawg #55":3livcz66]That being said, this season's play from Kendall provides the best argument that he should be in the squad that we've seen in years... probably all bar his rookie year (in which he would have been getting looked too heavily on the grounds of potential).
Or the grounds of being either the leader or right among the leaders in both assists and steals while quarterbacking the best team in the league.
Well, I thought it was pretty clear what I meant, but if you feel the need to underline it with a quote and additional comment... whatever.
His play then merited selection regardless of potential. He would have been just as justifiably picked as a 30-year-old. I'm not sure why you felt the need to include the word "too" ... it certainly suggests that if not for his age, he wouldn't have been in consideration.[/quote:3livcz66]
"Too" should have been "to", didn't notice the typo til now.

[SB.1]

What's Schenser's (spelling?) status?

[niggle]

In case you have missed it the 31-man squad will be named this coming Wednesday morning. Kendall is a certainty and anybody who watched the final series could see his gutsy and TALENTED efforts.

[metalslugsman]

Wortho
A lock with BG coaching and a (very) good NBL season under his belt. Unfortunately NBL achievement does not necessarily translate to International success. Cat-man-doo is the best example of this (and plenty will say due to lack of opptnty), but their style of game could work here....but not against good International teams.
Well, Wortho is similar and on top of it I think he's mentally weak. Have seen him in person at various stages (other than NBL play) and he does NOT impress me. Be very interested to see what he would do under a different coach (Dunlap doesn't count either!!), as BG makes it real easy 4 him....

Nielsen
Another mental midget under pressure for much of his career, improved sum the last couple years playing in Europe. The insurance situation is a joke if it stops him playing (but no surprise)....if it's the real reason.

Loughton
A very good NBL season, a bit like Wortho with how does his game translate.....? Jury is out, but needs exposure and opportunity.

Redhage
Would love to say we wouldn't include non-Ozzies unless they were outstanding (e.g. Olajuwon for USA) as our standard and depth at most positions has significantly improved....BUT we have to put the best team on the floor, and there's a good chance he can be part of it cause right now his game is better than a guy like Loughton. Will BG agree....??

Great post, but had to pick out the comments regarding the forwards. You said that Catt's game was never suited to the International game - a point that i have to disagree with. One of the greatest international players of all time was a gent by the name of Oscar (played for one of the South American countries - embarrasingly i cannot remember which), who played a mid-renge jump-shooting role as a small forward - a game the Catt is excellent at when fit. This is the role that both Wortho & Redhage must fit if they are in the Boomers team. With the quality of BIGS (& i would include Loughton in there) neither of them can assume that they will get much time as an offensive option inside the key. Wortho showed in his first outing with the Boomers that he is capable of the mid-range game, but his professional career has diminished this part of his game and he now tends to either post or shoot 3's. Redhage is a mid-range player - not a strong low post and an adequate long range shooter - his game is mid range jumpers & runners. Redhage is perhaps more naturally suited to the role, but Wortho will probably get it, a tribute to Goorjian's unfortunate ability to play favourites - the real reason why Cattalini has never been an international hit

Additionally, Kendall should be in the squad and should be considered for the final team seriously. Gutsy play at the end of high-pressure games in the GF, under intense physical pressure suggests that he has matured as a player and is finally deserving of a position. It has been clearly and repeatedly identified that we suffer from a lack of quality, proven guards, particularly with size, so he must go as a back-up

[Poida]

Oscar Smidcht (spelling?!??) ????? The great Brazilian?? All time leading scorer in International basketball, ahead of Gaze??

[ash_24]

One of the greatest international players of all time was a gent by the name of Oscar (played for one of the South American countries - embarrasingly i cannot remember which), who played a mid-renge jump-shooting role as a small forward - a game the Catt is excellent at when fit.
Schmidt? He was from Brazil.

Edit: Beaten to it....

[metalslugsman]

One of the greatest international players of all time was a gent by the name of Oscar (played for one of the South American countries - embarrasingly i cannot remember which), who played a mid-renge jump-shooting role as a small forward - a game the Catt is excellent at when fit.
Schmidt? He was from Brazil.yep - thats the one. I remember watching him at the end of his career, an awesome player and a great advertisement for the mid-range game

[Stumps]

Great post, but had to pick out the comments regarding the forwards. You said that Catt's game was never suited to the International game - a point that i have to disagree with. One of the greatest international players of all time was a gent by the name of Oscar (played for one of the South American countries - embarrasingly i cannot remember which), who played a mid-renge jump-shooting role as a small forward - a game the Catt is excellent at when fit. This is the role that both Wortho & Redhage must fit if they are in the Boomers team.
Cattalini, Worthington and Redhage don't have 5% of the midrange game of Schmidt though, nor would or should the Australian offence ever be set up exclusively to service them (or anybody not called A. Gaze) the way Brazil's was.

[Cussy]

As opposed to that other Brazillian legend, who did a great advertisement for low-range penises.

[metalslugsman]

Great post, but had to pick out the comments regarding the forwards. You said that Catt's game was never suited to the International game - a point that i have to disagree with. One of the greatest international players of all time was a gent by the name of Oscar (played for one of the South American countries - embarrasingly i cannot remember which), who played a mid-renge jump-shooting role as a small forward - a game the Catt is excellent at when fit. This is the role that both Wortho & Redhage must fit if they are in the Boomers team.
Cattalini, Worthington and Redhage don't have 5% of the midrange game of Schmidt though, nor would or should the Australian offence ever be set up exclusively to service them (or anybody not called A. Gaze) the way Brazil's was.I think Catt of all of them has the best mid-range game but he wont get a look in. The offense will probably be structured around the big guys (provided they are there), so the mid range is where the 3 will have to fit, with some perimeter game too.

[Rat10]

Great post, but had to pick out the comments regarding the forwards. You said that Catt's game was never suited to the International game - a point that i have to disagree with. One of the greatest international players of all time was a gent by the name of Oscar (played for one of the South American countries - embarrasingly i cannot remember which), who played a mid-renge jump-shooting role as a small forward - a game the Catt is excellent at when fit. This is the role that both Wortho & Redhage must fit if they are in the Boomers team.
Cattalini, Worthington and Redhage don't have 5% of the midrange game of Schmidt though, nor would or should the Australian offence ever be set up exclusively to service them (or anybody not called A. Gaze) the way Brazil's was.I think Catt of all of them has the best mid-range game but he wont get a look in. The offense will probably be structured around the big guys (provided they are there), so the mid range is where the 3 will have to fit, with some perimeter game too.

I think Catt's probably too old now and breaks down too easily to be considered but my argument for why he should have been in the team or playing minutes instead of Saville when Mackinnon was in the team was that Catt provided something different to these two players - a lethal jumpshot. He is one of the only players to shoot over 50% from the field and over 40% from three point range.* As an overall player he probably isn't as good as Saville but he provided the Boomers with another option and some much needed offence which they could have done with in Japan.


*I don't think NBL stats are right given that they don't have his 3-pt stats for the first 2 years of his career.

[SB.1]

As opposed to that other Brazillian legend, who did a great advertisement for low-range penises.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

Cat has passed it, for the same reasons I think Jason Smith should have a tough time getting in. I know that is terrible to many people, and I like Smiths game, but his best years are gone. He played in a home Olympics, what an honour. Now we need to move forward...

[Coachpete]

Boomers squad

Aron Baynes, Aaron Bruce, Adam Gibson, Aleks Maric, Alex Loughton, Andrew Bogut, Andrew Ogilvy, Brad Newley, Chris Anstey, CJ Bruton, Damien Ryan, Darnell Mee, David Andersen, David Barlow, Glen Saville, Ian Crosswhite, Jacob Holmes, James Harvey, Jason Smith, Joe Ingles, Luke Kendall, Luke Schenscher, Mark Worthington, Matthew Knight, Matthew Nielsen, Nathan Jawai, Nathan Crosswell, Pat Mills, Peter Crawford, Russell Hinder, Sam Mackinnon, Shawn Redhage, Wade Halliwell.

[Coachpete]

Crosswell's form in the GF series was obviously noted

[An5w3r]

Boomers squad

Aron Baynes, Aaron Bruce, Adam Gibson, Aleks Maric, Alex Loughton, Andrew Bogut, Andrew Ogilvy, Brad Newley, Chris Anstey, CJ Bruton, Damien Ryan, Darnell Mee, David Andersen, David Barlow, Glen Saville, Ian Crosswhite, Jacob Holmes, James Harvey, Jason Smith, Joe Ingles, Luke Kendall, Luke Schenscher, Mark Worthington, Matthew Knight, Matthew Nielsen, Nathan Jawai, Nathan Crosswell, Pat Mills, Peter Crawford, Russell Hinder, Sam Mackinnon, Shawn Redhage, Wade Halliwell.

These guys are locks... pick the rest of the squad to sit up the end of the bench..

CP, did you honestly rate Crosswells form in the GF series? He's there to make up numbers anyway... Wouldn't be there if Steve Black was there. He's like Pat Mills with no jumpshot... or right hand.. or court vision.

[Coachpete]

Boomers squad

Aron Baynes, Aaron Bruce, Adam Gibson, Aleks Maric, Alex Loughton, Andrew Bogut, Andrew Ogilvy, Brad Newley, Chris Anstey, CJ Bruton, Damien Ryan, Darnell Mee, David Andersen, David Barlow, Glen Saville, Ian Crosswhite, Jacob Holmes, James Harvey, Jason Smith, Joe Ingles, Luke Kendall, Luke Schenscher, Mark Worthington, Matthew Knight, Matthew Nielsen, Nathan Jawai, Nathan Crosswell, Pat Mills, Peter Crawford, Russell Hinder, Sam Mackinnon, Shawn Redhage, Wade Halliwell.

These guys are locks... pick the rest of the squad to sit up the end of the bench..

CP, did you honestly reate Crosswells form in the GF series? He's there to make up numbers anyway... Wouldn't be there if Steve Black was there. He's like Pat Mills with no jumpshot... or right hand.. or court vision.

I thought he really hurt us in the GF series. Solid defender as always but really made some good decisions with the ball and pretty much got to the basket any time he wanted.
Obviously it would be a major surprise if he made the final squad but he's a bloody solid player at NBL level

[niggle]

Nice work Coachpete-had it up before BA updated their list. Well done Ian C of the Kings!

[bucky]

I'm probably on my own here but I hope Worthington doesn't get in. If he has shown anything over the course of the playoffs it that he is not a big game player. Big game players are able to keep there cool and after Worthos elbow to both Anstey and Redhage I think they should ditch him. I think Redhage is a worthy replacement and has shown he can step it up in big games and not lose his head.

I'm not a Perth fan by the way.

Im just worried that if the Boomers get in a close situation and Wortho's getting owned by his opposition he will just throw the elbow in and could cost us the game.

[Silencer83]

Boomers squad

Aron Baynes, Aaron Bruce, Adam Gibson, Aleks Maric, Alex Loughton, Andrew Bogut, Andrew Ogilvy, Brad Newley, Chris Anstey, CJ Bruton, Damien Ryan, Darnell Mee, David Andersen, David Barlow, Glen Saville, Ian Crosswhite, Jacob Holmes, James Harvey, Jason Smith, Joe Ingles, Luke Kendall, Luke Schenscher, Mark Worthington, Matthew Knight, Matthew Nielsen, Nathan Jawai, Nathan Crosswell, Pat Mills, Peter Crawford, Russell Hinder, Sam Mackinnon, Shawn Redhage, Wade Halliwell.

Obviously I disagree with An5w3r who has basically picked Sydney's entire roster to make it :P :wink: . So these are my locks if they make themselves available.

[Cram]

Wortho will be there. I think his ability to play either forward spot will be a huge plus. I really hope that our 4 genuine bigs (Andersen, Bogut, Anstey & Neilsen) as well as Sam are all fit and available, as I think that combination, plus wortho is a pretty good frontline rotation.

[Cram]

Boomers squad

Aron Baynes, Aaron Bruce, Adam Gibson, Aleks Maric, Alex Loughton, Andrew Bogut, Andrew Ogilvy, Brad Newley, Chris Anstey, CJ Bruton, Damien Ryan, Darnell Mee, David Andersen, David Barlow, Glen Saville, Ian Crosswhite, Jacob Holmes, James Harvey, Jason Smith, Joe Ingles, Luke Kendall, Luke Schenscher, Mark Worthington, Matthew Knight, Matthew Nielsen, Nathan Jawai, Nathan Crosswell, Pat Mills, Peter Crawford, Russell Hinder, Sam Mackinnon, Shawn Redhage, Wade Halliwell.

Obviously I disagree with An5w3r who has basically picked Sydney's entire roster to make it :P :wink: . So these are my locks if they make themselves available.

Yep I agree 100%

[Poida]

Wasn't Baynes training with the Tall Blacks, not that long ago???

I'll let this slide as he is a legit big that will develop into something special :)

[Stumps]

I'm probably on my own here but I hope Worthington doesn't get in. If he has shown anything over the course of the playoffs it that he is not a big game player.
Game 3 of the semis and Game 1 of the grand final were not big games?

[bucky]

I'm probably on my own here but I hope Worthington doesn't get in. If he has shown anything over the course of the playoffs it that he is not a big game player.
Game 3 of the semis and Game 1 of the grand final were not big games?

Ok, I see what your saying and your right, so I will say that he isn't a consistent big game player. He has all the basketball talent in the world but then lose's his head for a few seconds here and there. Those few seconds could be enough to cost his team a victory, or he could end up being suspended and put the pressure on his team to perform with out him.

[Stumps]

I actually think Worthington has the potential to be a better player in the international context than in the "carrying a team in the NBL" context, reason being that he seemingly isn't consistenly able to have the scoring explosions that he is certainly capable of, but he has the all-court skills to contribute in every other regard on those off shooting nights. I think he has the potential to be a superb complementary player (like Glen Saville), and in a star-studded Boomers team, he would get the chance to do that.

[bucky]

Are the Kings not star studded enough to take the pressure of him?? What would happen if he was playing for a team that wasn't as deep as the Kings?

[noidea]

My 2 Cents

No particular order.
Bogut
Newley
Anstey
Bruton
Andersen
Harvey
Mills
Neilsen
MacKinnon
Redhage
Jawai
Barlow

If Mac is out injured substitute Wortho

[Stumps]

Are the Kings not star studded enough to take the pressure of him??
They are -- that's exactly why they went 27-3 despite Wortho having several low-scoring nights and falling out of MVP contention.

What would happen if he was playing for a team that wasn't as deep as the Kings?
They would presumably be in trouble on nights when he wasn't firing.

[Poida]

I like this bit:

The squad was announced this morning at Rosehill Public School in Sydney's west, where classes are named after Olympic teams and the first grade class is called `The Boomers'.

Australia Post's `Junior Boomers' program, where Boomers go 'back to school' by revisiting their primary schools to conduct clinics, was also announced.

[noidea]

Surprise Surprise that Stephen Black made himself unavailable again due to injury!!

[Voice(s)]

Why would you bother if you knew you didn't stand a chance of being selected?

Gee Cameron Tovey and BJ Carter must be pretty pissed right about now being the only eligible members of the Kings roster not to make the Boomers squad. :roll:

[Stumps]

Why would you bother if you knew you didn't stand a chance of being selected?
I guess by that rationale Baynes, Gibson, Maric, Loughton, Crosswhite, Holmes, Harvey, Knight, Crosswell, Crawford, Hinder and Helliwell won't bother showing up either?

[Cram]

I would think Hinder would be the only truly freeloading Kings invitee, and even then the fact that he's (rightly or wrongly) played at a major international comp means an invite to a 31 man squad is ok. I wouldnt have had Crosswhite in the squad a few weeks ago, but his play in the finals was enough to warrant a spot - however if either of them get a look in to the final team (unless all of our other bigs are unavailable) then you'll hear me complain.

Surprised to see Holmes in there. Wouldnt think he'd be up to par there. Mee is a little surprising too considering his injury riddled season. The rest all seem fine. A few noticable absences though. Obviously Blacky is out again, but what does Steve Hoare need to do to get a look in? I'd think he'd be ahead of Hinder and Holmes...And if Crosswell can get a look in (well done crossy) surely Steve Markovic can too?

Overall though, happy with the squad. There's clearly some training fodder there, but hopefully they trim it soon. This is a big reason why I think we need a full time coach. You really just wanna be able to start with people who are GENUINE chances. 20 guys max. Some of the guys in this squad wont be even close.

[Voice(s)]

Why would you bother if you knew you didn't stand a chance of being selected?
I guess by that rationale Baynes, Gibson, Maric, Loughton, Crosswhite, Holmes, Harvey, Knight, Crosswell, Crawford, Hinder and Helliwell won't bother showing up either?

Are you implying Hinder doesn't have a chance? and oh btw weren't you the one trying to convince all and sundry last year that Kendall wasn't a lock for Beijing?

[Stumps]

Are you implying Hinder doesn't have a chance?
With Anstey, Bogut and Andersen all available (hopefully along with Nielsen), yes, he obviously doesn't have a chance.

and oh btw weren't you the one trying to convince all and sundry last year that Kendall wasn't a lock for Beijing?
He's certainly not a lock, but he "stands a chance".

[Voice(s)]

With Anstey, Bogut and Andersen all available (hopefully along with Nielsen), yes, he obviously doesn't have a chance.

Reality tells you that but we're talking about Brian Goorjian here. Also one would hope Jawai has a better chance than Hinder.

He's certainly not a lock, but he "stands a chance".

He's a lock, history is your guide.

[m12ouse]

CJ BRUTON
Patrick MILLS
Luke KENDALL

Jason SMITH
James HARVEY

Sam MACKINNON
Brad NEWLEY
Mark WORTHINGTO

Matthew NIELSEN

Andrew OGILVY
Nathan JAWAI
Chris ANSTEY
David ANDERSEN

1 Big to go

[Cram]

CJ BRUTON
Patrick MILLS
Luke KENDALL

Jason SMITH
James HARVEY

Sam MACKINNON
Brad NEWLEY
Mark WORTHINGTO

Matthew NIELSEN

Andrew OGILVY
Nathan JAWAI
Chris ANSTEY
David ANDERSEN

1 Big to go

And Bogut is...where?

AJ, Jawai and Harvey out, Bogut and Redhage in.

[Stumps]

With Anstey, Bogut and Andersen all available (hopefully along with Nielsen), yes, he obviously doesn't have a chance.
Reality tells you that but we're talking about Brian Goorjian here.
Feel free to name a time that he's taken Hinder ahead of any of those four guys I've just named.

Also one would hope Jawai has a better chance than Hinder.
Hence why he wasn't on my "no chance" list.

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

The roster is as always Kings heavy, but they have all played well, and deserve to be in such a large squad.

Please go young with the Boomers. A young squad (take out guys like Saville and Smith, Harvey, anyone who has had the chance and failed.

Are Smith and Anstey the only guys left from the 2000 squad?

Anstey can be the vetran in the squad. I would say this is his international swansong.

I say these things, but I fully expect Smith to be in the squad, probably not play that often, and take away a chance for us to use this games as the stone towards 2012 and GOLD, not just a medal

[singy]

A few noticable absences though. Obviously Blacky is out again, but what does Steve Hoare need to do to get a look in? I'd think he'd be ahead of Hinder and Holmes...And if Crosswell can get a look in (well done crossy) surely Steve Markovic can too?

Agree there Cram. Steve Hoare is this year's 6th man runner-up, and Best 6th man from the previous 2 seasons, yet he just cannot make the squad. Doesn't seem right.

Bit surprised at Crosswell's selection, but it's just rewards for a great end to the season. I'm obviously not expecting him to make the team though.

[stellation]

When was the last time Schenscher played? I thought he was cut from the German team a long time ago.

[coast2coast]

A few noticable absences though. Obviously Blacky is out again, but what does Steve Hoare need to do to get a look in? I'd think he'd be ahead of Hinder and Holmes...And if Crosswell can get a look in (well done crossy) surely Steve Markovic can too?

Agree there Cram. Steve Hoare is this year's 6th man runner-up, and Best 6th man from the previous 2 seasons, yet he just cannot make the squad. Doesn't seem right.

Bit surprised at Crosswell's selection, but it's just rewards for a great end to the season. I'm obviously not expecting him to make the team though.

Hoare is competing against Worthy, Redhage, Mackinnon, Saville. I would probably take him ahead of Holmes as well but Hinder can play the 5 and has been picked before because of the unavailability of other players. Hoare did not have a great final series but I would have him in the squad in front of Holmes. I guess the reason they have gone with Holmes may well be the age factor. I doubt if anyone would think Hoare would be around in 4/5 years as a potential Boomer.

[SB.1]

When was the last time Schenscher played? I thought he was cut from the German team a long time ago.

Yeah does anyone know his status? Surely he is close to making the team based on having recently played in the NBA?

[Poida]

Wouldn't want Schenscher in the team if we could have Ogilvy instead, IMO.

[stellation]

Wouldn't want Schenscher in the team if we could have Ogilvy instead, IMO.
I agree.

[Southern Joe]

I like this squad ....

PG: CJ
SG: Jason Smith

Forwards:

Nitro & Anderson

Centre : Bogut

Bench

Mills, Kendall, Redhage, Anstey, MacKinnon, Newley, Barlow.

[Poida]

If Kendall makes the side as a 3rd string PG, no thanks. Would rather the spot goes to a SG type player, like a Harvey, Bruce or ingles type.

[SB.1]

My take:

LOCKS (7) - 2 GUARDS, 5 BIGS

David ANDERSEN CSKA Moscow (Russia)
Chris ANSTEY Melbourne Tigers
Andrew BOGUT Milwaukee Bucks (USA)
CJ BRUTON Brisbane Bullets
Sam MACKINNON Brisbane Bullets (IF FIT)
Brad NEWLEY Panionios BC (Greece)
Matthew NIELSEN Lietuvos Rytas (Lithuania)

COMPETING FOR A SPOT (13 FOR 5) (6 GUARDS inc DB, 7 BIGS)

David BARLOW Melbourne Tigers
Aaron BRUCE Baylor University (USA)
Nathan JAWAI Cairns Taipans
Luke KENDALL Sydney Kings
Aleks MARIC University of Nebraska (USA)
Darnell MEE Cairns Taipans
Patrick MILLS St. Mary’s College (USA)
Andrew OGILVY Vanderbilt University (USA)
Shawn REDHAGE Perth Wildcats
Glen SAVILLE Sydney Kings
Luke SCHENSCHER Brose Baskets (Germany)
Jason SMITH Sydney Kings
Mark WORTHINGTON Sydney Kings

THERE FOR EXPERIENCE AND/OR TRAINING FODDER (13)

Aron BAYNES Washington State University (USA)
Peter CRAWFORD Perth Wildcats
Nathan CROSSWELL Melbourne Tigers
Ian CROSSWHITE Sydney Kings
Adam GIBSON Brisbane Bullets
James HARVEY Gold Coast Blaze
Wade HELLIWELL Solsonica Rieti (Italy)
Russell HINDER Sydney Kings
Jacob HOLMES South Dragons
Joe INGLES South Dragons
Matthew KNIGHT West Sydney Razorbacks
Alex LOUGHTON Perth Wildcats
Damien RYAN Vanoli Soresina (Italy)

So IMO you have 6 guards competing for 3 spots, and 7 bigs competing for 2 (3 if SM is out) spots.

GUARDS (6 players for 3 spots)

Barlow, Bruce, Kendall, Mee, Mills, Smith

Barlow has size, Kendall can play both positions, Mee has size at the 1 which is important with CJ (and possibly Mills) in the team, and Smith has the D and experience. Mills may be the future but will have to earn his spot in the camp IMO.

Prediction: Mills, Smith, Mee.

FORWARDS (7 players for 2 spots, 3 if SK injured)

Jawai, Maric, Ogilvy, Redhage, Saville, Schenscher, Worthington

I think only 1 (if any) out of Jawai/Maric/Ogilvy will go mainly for exposure. Redhage will need to be beaten by Saville and/or Worthington at camp. Redhage is probably less unique than Mee. Saville has experience in his favour, as does Worthington to a lesser degree. I'm not sure of Schenscher's status, but if we are seen to need another 5 (if Andersen and Anstey are seen as more outside centres than inside) then he could make it. Would need to earn his spot at camp though.

Prediction: Jawai, Worthington, Saville (if SM injured and Mee in, if not Redhage).

So my predicted team:

1: BRUTON
2: NEWLEY
3: MACKINNON (WORTHINGTON)
4: NIELSEN
5: BOGUT

1: MILLS
2: SMITH
3: WORTHINGTON (SAVILLE)
4/5: ANDERSEN
4/5: ANSTEY

1/2: MEE
4/5: JAWAI

Surprised to see Robbins miss out on the squad, only because he was there last year and has improved since.

[Poida]

BTW where is Markovic?? Gone MIA??? I thought he was doing quite well in Europe.

[stellation]

I'd really like us to find a way to get Ogilvy in there if he can perform well at camp against the bigger bodies. The experience would be huge for him, and he will be an important player for us in another 4 years.

[Southern Joe]

btw ... Is the final squad 12 or 15 ?

[WilloWildWaves]

Interesting, in the sqad on NBL.com I counted 10 players who play for the Kings or have played under Goorj in his Melbourne days. Some deserving, some not so :o :wink:

[AngusH]

Interesting, in the sqad on NBL.com I counted 10 players who play for the Kings or have played under Goorj in his Melbourne days. Some deserving, some not so :o :wink:

Out of the 800 players listed in the initial squad, I found more than a few others not deserving, as well. ;)

[King of Kings]

[quote="Voice(s)":quaoqoen]Why would you bother if you knew you didn't stand a chance of being selected?
I guess by that rationale Baynes, Gibson, Maric, Loughton, Crosswhite, Holmes, Harvey, Knight, Crosswell, Crawford, Hinder and Helliwell won't bother showing up either?

Are you implying Hinder doesn't have a chance? and oh btw weren't you the one trying to convince all and sundry last year that Kendall wasn't a lock for Beijing?[/quote:quaoqoen]

For all those who think Kendall doesn't deserve to be there, please tell me who the PG's are in front of him other than CJ and Pat Mills?

[King of Kings]

CJ BRUTON
Patrick MILLS
Luke KENDALL

Jason SMITH
James HARVEY

Sam MACKINNON
Brad NEWLEY
Mark WORTHINGTO

Matthew NIELSEN

Andrew OGILVY
Nathan JAWAI
Chris ANSTEY
David ANDERSEN

1 Big to go

This is the closest thing I have seen to the real team (barring injuries)

I wouldn't count on Sammy Mac being fit enough to go.

[Poida]

CJ BRUTON
Patrick MILLS
Luke KENDALL

Jason SMITH
James HARVEY

Sam MACKINNON
Brad NEWLEY
Mark WORTHINGTO

Matthew NIELSEN

Andrew OGILVY
Nathan JAWAI
Chris ANSTEY
David ANDERSEN

1 Big to go

This is the closest thing I have seen to the real team (barring injuries)

I wouldn't count on Sammy Mac being fit enough to go.

The real team doesn't include Bogut??? FFS, Have a word with yourself mate :lol:

[metalslugsman]

Boomers squad

Aron Baynes, Aaron Bruce, Adam Gibson, Aleks Maric, Alex Loughton, Andrew Bogut, Andrew Ogilvy, Brad Newley, Chris Anstey, CJ Bruton, Damien Ryan, Darnell Mee, David Andersen, David Barlow, Glen Saville, Ian Crosswhite, Jacob Holmes, James Harvey, Jason Smith, Joe Ingles, Luke Kendall, Luke Schenscher, Mark Worthington, Matthew Knight, Matthew Nielsen, Nathan Jawai, Nathan Crosswell, Pat Mills, Peter Crawford, Russell Hinder, Sam Mackinnon, Shawn Redhage, Wade Halliwell.

These guys are locks... pick the rest of the squad to sit up the end of the bench..

CP, did you honestly rate Crosswells form in the GF series? He's there to make up numbers anyway... Wouldn't be there if Steve Black was there. He's like Pat Mills with no jumpshot... or right hand.. or court vision.Obviously a pisstake - you could not be serious about taking both Kendall & SMith as locks and not CJ or Mills in the same category. Also Hinder & Crosswhite before Maric, Ogilvy, Andersen, Anstey

Also, Saville before Mackinnon?

Must be a pisstake

[gangsta boo]

Mackinnon is likely out for Beijing

[Daevo]

Gee, it's hard to pick a King who's not in the squad:

Aron BAYNES Washington State University (USA)
Aaron BRUCE Baylor University (USA)
Adam GIBSON Brisbane Bullets
Aleks MARIC University of Nebraska (USA)
Alex LOUGHTON Perth Wildcats
Andrew BOGUT Milwaukee Bucks (USA)
Andrew OGILVY Vanderbilt University (USA)
Brad NEWLEY Panionios BC (Greece)
Chris ANSTEY Melbourne Tigers
CJ BRUTON Brisbane Bullets
Damien RYAN Vanoli Soresina (Italy)
Darnell MEE Cairns Taipans
David ANDERSEN CSKA Moscow (Russia)
David BARLOW Melbourne Tigers
Glen SAVILLE Sydney Kings
Ian CROSSWHITE Sydney Kings
Jacob HOLMES South Dragons
James HARVEY Gold Coast Blaze
Jason SMITH Sydney Kings
Joe INGLES South Dragons
Luke KENDALL Sydney Kings
Luke SCHENSCHER Brose Baskets (Germany)
Mark WORTHINGTON Sydney Kings
Matthew KNIGHT West Sydney Razorbacks
Matthew NIELSEN Lietuvos Rytas (Lithuania)
Nathan JAWAI Cairns Taipans
Nathan CROSSWELL Melbourne Tigers
Patrick MILLS St. Mary’s College (USA)
Peter CRAWFORD Perth Wildcats
Russell HINDER Sydney Kings
Sam MACKINNON Brisbane Bullets
Shawn REDHAGE Perth Wildcats
Wade HELLIWELL Solsonica Rieti (Italy)

[T-Rich]

BTW where is Markovic?? Gone MIA??? I thought he was doing quite well in Europe.

I saw probably 6 or 7 of Red Star's ULEB cup games... Markovic's absence from the squad does not surprise me. He was getting decent minutes early in the season, but all at the 2 spot (Omar Cook is the playmaker for Red Star). The main memory from those games were his poor decision-making and ABYSMAL ball handling. He would occasionally knock a long ball down, but that was about it. He didn't even get off the bench in the last couple of games I watched.

[metalslugsman]

BTW where is Markovic?? Gone MIA??? I thought he was doing quite well in Europe.

I saw probably 6 or 7 of Red Star's ULEB cup games... Markovic's absence from the squad does not surprise me. He was getting decent minutes early in the season, but all at the 2 spot (Omar Cook is the playmaker for Red Star). The main memory from those games were his poor decision-making and ABYSMAL ball handling. He would occasionally knock a long ball down, but that was about it. He didn't even get off the bench in the last couple of games I watched.i've only seen him in the NZ series recently and i thought he was pretty poor

[Voice(s)]

For all those who think Kendall doesn't deserve to be there, please tell me who the PG's are in front of him other than CJ and Pat Mills?

Firstly is Kendall actually a PG? and more importantly why do three "point guards" have to be picked?

[HunterPirates]

Wade HELLIWELL Solsonica Rieti (Italy)


who???

[kc4mvp]

[quote="King of Kings":3phljsuw]For all those who think Kendall doesn't deserve to be there, please tell me who the PG's are in front of him other than CJ and Pat Mills?

Firstly is Kendall actually a PG? and more importantly why do three "point guards" have to be picked?[/quote:3phljsuw]

A good case of Gorjinitus will always cause 3 PG's to be picked

[Cram]

You need two specialist PG's and then at least one other guy who can play the PG position. If CJ or Mills get in foul trouble or (heavin forbid) injured, we'd be in a bad spot. It's all about having depth in each position. I think Kendall fits this role well. Clearly he's not a pure PG, but he does a good job running the 1 spot and also plays well as a spot up shooter. I think given Blacky's absence, I'd have Kendall in there as my 5th guard for sure.

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

yeah, not having deapth at the PG spot cost Phil Smyth his Boomers coaching job

[Stumps]

[quote="King of Kings":1guk6h8e]For all those who think Kendall doesn't deserve to be there, please tell me who the PG's are in front of him other than CJ and Pat Mills?
Firstly is Kendall actually a PG?[/quote:1guk6h8e]
Well, Jason Smith certainly isn't, and the Kings went 27-3 with those two starting in the backcourt.

[kc4mvp]

My thoughts of the final 10 players in Bold and then back ups in order if they can't play.
If a 12 man squad is picked throw Luke Kendal and Jawai or Saville or Loughton in

Center
Andrew BOGUT Milwaukee Bucks (USA)
Chris ANSTEY Melbourne Tigers
Andrew OGILVY Vanderbilt University (USA)
Luke SCHENSCHER Brose Baskets (Germany)
Wade HELLIWELL Solsonica Rieti (Italy)

Fowards
Matthew NIELSEN Lietuvos Rytas (Lithuania)
David ANDERSEN CSKA Moscow (Russia)
Mark WORTHINGTON Sydney Kings
Shawn REDHAGE Perth Wildcats
Nathan JAWAI Cairns Taipans
Glen SAVILLE Sydney Kings
Alex LOUGHTON Perth Wildcats

PTGuards
CJ BRUTON Brisbane Bullets
Patrick MILLS St. Mary’s College (USA)
Brad NEWLEY Panionios BC (Greece)
Darnell MEE Cairns Taipans


Shooting Guards
James HARVEY Gold Coast Blaze
Jason SMITH Sydney Kings
Luke KENDALL Sydney Kings
Joe INGLES South Dragons

[metalslugsman]

You need two specialist PG's and then at least one other guy who can play the PG position. If CJ or Mills get in foul trouble or (heavin forbid) injured, we'd be in a bad spot. It's all about having depth in each position. I think Kendall fits this role well. Clearly he's not a pure PG, but he does a good job running the 1 spot and also plays well as a spot up shooter. I think given Blacky's absence, I'd have Kendall in there as my 5th guard for sure.I think even if Black made himself available i would still prefer Kendall. You don't need another short, slight guard for your backcourt, especially a shoot first point guard. Kendall is flawed, but he does hustle hard, plays good D, can handle the ball, does pass and can hit the open shot. Fine as a back up combo guard for mine

[Cram]

You need two specialist PG's and then at least one other guy who can play the PG position. If CJ or Mills get in foul trouble or (heavin forbid) injured, we'd be in a bad spot. It's all about having depth in each position. I think Kendall fits this role well. Clearly he's not a pure PG, but he does a good job running the 1 spot and also plays well as a spot up shooter. I think given Blacky's absence, I'd have Kendall in there as my 5th guard for sure.I think even if Black made himself available i would still prefer Kendall. You don't need another short, slight guard for your backcourt, especially a shoot first point guard. Kendall is flawed, but he does hustle hard, plays good D, can handle the ball, does pass and can hit the open shot. Fine as a back up combo guard for mine

Yeah, sorry my (not so clear) point was that Blacky was Kendall's only real competition for that spot (maybe Ryan) but I'd say Kendall is a lock now.

[Stumps]

Holy crap, people from all over the country agreeing Kendall deserves a place in a full-strength Boomers side on merit. Did I ever dare dream this day would come? :lol:

[Cram]

:D

*Note, we all seem to be agreeing that he'd be a good fit for the FIFTH guard spot - ie no regular minutes. If/when he starts getting 20+ minutes a game, then I'm sure we will revert back to scheduled programing :wink:

[Stumps]

After all this, Goorjian probably won't even select him :P

[hendrix]

as much as I'm struggling to think of a better option, the thought of Jason Smith starting at the two in an Olympic Games makes me shudder.

He's a good player and I'd love to see him on the bench, but we really seem to lack a legit shooting guard. Its hard to know how Newley's game has progressed, James Harvey had a great year, but is he the answer? i'm not sure

[Cram]

I think Smith will be a good option, assuming (and its a big assumption) that we use our bigs in Bogut, Neilsen, Andersen and Anstey effectively. Smith should be able to receive a lot of kick outs from these guys, and get a lot of good open looks. And when hes rolling, Smith is as good a three point shooter as we have.

If, however, our offense is failing, you really need someone more creative in there, so hopefully Newley can provide that.

[bucky]

Stuff that, Harvey would benefit more from the bigs than Smith would and he is the better offensive weapon and can create his own shot. He may not be at the standard Smith is on Defense but Harvs has rapidly improved this year and I dont think he is that far behind Smith at present (taking into account Smith injury).

Newbry can swing the 3 spot but Harvs should be in the 2 spot.

[Silencer83]

My thoughts of the final 10 players in Bold and then back ups in order if they can't play.
If a 12 man squad is picked throw Luke Kendal and Jawai or Saville or Loughton in

Center
Andrew BOGUT Milwaukee Bucks (USA)
Chris ANSTEY Melbourne Tigers
Andrew OGILVY Vanderbilt University (USA)
Luke SCHENSCHER Brose Baskets (Germany)
Wade HELLIWELL Solsonica Rieti (Italy)

Fowards
Matthew NIELSEN Lietuvos Rytas (Lithuania)
David ANDERSEN CSKA Moscow (Russia)
Mark WORTHINGTON Sydney Kings
Shawn REDHAGE Perth Wildcats
Nathan JAWAI Cairns Taipans
Glen SAVILLE Sydney Kings
Alex LOUGHTON Perth Wildcats

PTGuards
CJ BRUTON Brisbane Bullets
Patrick MILLS St. Mary’s College (USA)
Brad NEWLEY Panionios BC (Greece)
Darnell MEE Cairns Taipans


Shooting Guards
James HARVEY Gold Coast Blaze
Jason SMITH Sydney Kings
Luke KENDALL Sydney Kings
Joe INGLES South Dragons

You've picked Newley as a Point Guard but Kendall as a Shooting Guard?

Last I heard Newley was a SG/SF and Kendall was a PG/SG. :P

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

My thoughts of the final 10 players in Bold and then back ups in order if they can't play.
If a 12 man squad is picked throw Luke Kendal and Jawai or Saville or Loughton in

Center
Andrew BOGUT Milwaukee Bucks (USA)
Chris ANSTEY Melbourne Tigers
Andrew OGILVY Vanderbilt University (USA)
Luke SCHENSCHER Brose Baskets (Germany)
Wade HELLIWELL Solsonica Rieti (Italy)

Fowards
Matthew NIELSEN Lietuvos Rytas (Lithuania)
David ANDERSEN CSKA Moscow (Russia)
Mark WORTHINGTON Sydney Kings
Shawn REDHAGE Perth Wildcats
Nathan JAWAI Cairns Taipans
Glen SAVILLE Sydney Kings
Alex LOUGHTON Perth Wildcats

PTGuards
CJ BRUTON Brisbane Bullets
Patrick MILLS St. Mary’s College (USA)
Brad NEWLEY Panionios BC (Greece)
Darnell MEE Cairns Taipans


Shooting Guards
James HARVEY Gold Coast Blaze
Jason SMITH Sydney Kings
Luke KENDALL Sydney Kings
Joe INGLES South Dragons

You've picked Newley as a Point Guard but Kendall as a Shooting Guard?

Last I heard Newley was a SG/SF and Kendall was a PG/SG. :P

Selecting a combo guard is super important as we MUST bring in Jawai and Olgivy. They are both ready, and they will both be in the NBA in the next two years. Our stocks are finally our bigs, let's just smash them in!

[DoubleA]

If James Harvey didnt prove he deserves a spot at SG for the Boomers this season in the NBL, I dont know who has.

I'd definitely have him in ahead of Jason Smith, but I fear that wont happen.

[AngusH]

If James Harvey didnt prove he deserves a spot at SG for the Boomers this season in the NBL, I dont know who has.

I'd definitely have him in ahead of Jason Smith, but I fear that wont happen.

I know I'm biased, but Smith is a much better defender than Harvey IMO and, while Harvey is the more creative scorer, Smith is the better overall shooter, which fits BG's system better. Harvey takes (and on occasion makes) a large number of high-degree-of-difficulty threes and other baskets, but these are shots that Smith just doesn't take in Sydney's system, and are probably shots that BG won't want to see too much of in China.

[WHIPS]

How serious is Black's Back injury that he will again forego his chances of a Boomer's spot? Surely a chance to play for Australia around his peak would be worth a disrupted start to the 08/09 NBL season.

[bucky]

If James Harvey didnt prove he deserves a spot at SG for the Boomers this season in the NBL, I dont know who has.

I'd definitely have him in ahead of Jason Smith, but I fear that wont happen.

I know I'm biased, but Smith is a much better defender than Harvey IMO and, while Harvey is the more creative scorer, Smith is the better overall shooter, which fits BG's system better. Harvey takes (and on occasion makes) a large number of high-degree-of-difficulty threes and other baskets, but these are shots that Smith just doesn't take in Sydney's system, and are probably shots that BG won't want to see too much of in China.

Do you think Harvey would need to take these shots in Sydneys system?
No, he wouldn't. he is the only consistent scorer on the Blaze team and often ends up with the ball in his hands when the shot clock is down, i am sure if he had the players around him Smith has he would just settle for the easy shots that the offensive system gives him.

As for Smith being the better overall shooter Smith is 45% feild goal shooting and 43.2% 3pt shooting

Harvey is 49.5% from the feild with 44.1% from the 3 according to NBL stats.
So how is Smith the better shooter?

You seem to assume that Harvey plays his way and not the coaches. Harvey is putting everything into making the Boomers squad and he will play however the coach wants him to play.

The only sensible argument you made was that Smith is a better defensive player, that is true but Harvey has him covered in the other areas and like I said before Harveys D has improved and isn't that far behind Smith.

[AngusH]

Do you think Harvey would need to take these shots in Sydneys system?
No, he wouldn't. he is the only consistent scorer on the Blaze team and often ends up with the ball in his hands when the shot clock is down, i am sure if he had the players around him Smith has he would just settle for the easy shots that the offensive system gives him.

As for Smith being the better overall shooter Smith is 45% feild goal shooting and 43.2% 3pt shooting

Harvey is 49.5% from the feild with 44.1% from the 3 according to NBL stats.
So how is Smith the better shooter?

You seem to assume that Harvey plays his way and not the coaches. Harvey is putting everything into making the Boomers squad and he will play however the coach wants him to play.

The only sensible argument you made was that Smith is a better defensive player, that is true but Harvey has him covered in the other areas and like I said before Harveys D has improved and isn't that far behind Smith.

As I said, I'm bias. You've no doubt seen more of Harvey than me, but I'm going on what I've seen. Probably Harvey could play more controlled and in the offense, but the places I've seen him log big minutes - West Syd and Gold Coast - he hasn't.

I'll admit that I didn't realise his FG% was so high.

Either way, I'll not be too dissapointed if Harvey makes it over Smith. Surprised, but not dissapointed.

[Wallitron]

My Auspost Boomers would be:

Bogut
Anstey
MacKinnon
Newley
CJ Bruton

Jawai
Nielsen
Anderson
Smith
Mills

I could live with Kendall or Harvey over Smith, but everyone else is a certainty if they are fit. CJ is the only flat out shooter, which raises Harvey's value.

It's a fantastic squad when you're forced to leave out some blokes that are really playing well.

[gougoodthing]

I am in shock that Crosswell even got a look in, how can someone that is not versatile both sides of the court get a jernsy... Surely there is a better pick out there with all the Aussie talent floating around. I know they won the championship and all but thats just a joke.

[Silencer83]

PTGuards
CJ BRUTON Brisbane Bullets
Patrick MILLS St. Mary’s College (USA)
Brad NEWLEY Panionios BC (Greece)
Darnell MEE Cairns Taipans


Shooting Guards
James HARVEY Gold Coast Blaze
Jason SMITH Sydney Kings
Luke KENDALL Sydney Kings
Joe INGLES South Dragons

You've picked Newley as a Point Guard but Kendall as a Shooting Guard?

Last I heard Newley was a SG/SF and Kendall was a PG/SG. :P

Selecting a combo guard is super important as we MUST bring in Jawai and Olgivy. They are both ready, and they will both be in the NBA in the next two years. Our stocks are finally our bigs, let's just smash them in!

Yes, I agree with you RBBP but kc4mvp is picking Newley who is a swingman as combo guard and Luke Kendall who is a combo guard as a pure SG. I was insinuating that their roles probably need to be reversed in the listing.

[kc4mvp]

Yes, I agree with you RBBP but kc4mvp is picking Newley who is a swingman as combo guard and Luke Kendall who is a combo guard as a pure SG. I was insinuating that their roles probably need to be reversed in the listing.

I can live with switching them,
but not confident Newly's shot is better than Kendall's.
If I had Newly it would be as a bench Swingman/ Taller 3rd Pt Guard, whilst I would put Kendal on the bench backing up the guard spots.

Is it 12 they take?

[Silencer83]

Yes, I agree with you RBBP but kc4mvp is picking Newley who is a swingman as combo guard and Luke Kendall who is a combo guard as a pure SG. I was insinuating that their roles probably need to be reversed in the listing.

I can live with switching them,
but not confident Newly's shot is better than Kendall's.
If I had Newly it would be as a bench Swingman/ Taller 3rd Pt Guard, whilst I would put Kendal on the bench backing up the guard spots.

Is it 12 they take?

I believe that is the case.

[Clips]

Bogut
Anstey
Neilsen
Newley
CJ

Andersen
Redhage
Barlow
Kendall
Mills
Worthington
Smith

[AngusH]

Bogut
Jawai
Anstey
Andersen
Nielsen
Worthington (or Redhage, pref. Worthington)
Barlow
Newley
Smith (or Harvey, pref. Smith)
Bruton
Mills
Kendall (Would love to take Ogilvy, but feel we need another combo-guard more than a big)

[coast2coast]

If James Harvey didnt prove he deserves a spot at SG for the Boomers this season in the NBL, I dont know who has.

I'd definitely have him in ahead of Jason Smith, but I fear that wont happen.

I know I'm biased, but Smith is a much better defender than Harvey IMO and, while Harvey is the more creative scorer, Smith is the better overall shooter, which fits BG's system better. Harvey takes (and on occasion makes) a large number of high-degree-of-difficulty threes and other baskets, but these are shots that Smith just doesn't take in Sydney's system, and are probably shots that BG won't want to see too much of in China.

Do you think Harvey would need to take these shots in Sydneys system?
No, he wouldn't. he is the only consistent scorer on the Blaze team and often ends up with the ball in his hands when the shot clock is down, i am sure if he had the players around him Smith has he would just settle for the easy shots that the offensive system gives him.

As for Smith being the better overall shooter Smith is 45% feild goal shooting and 43.2% 3pt shooting

Harvey is 49.5% from the feild with 44.1% from the 3 according to NBL stats.
So how is Smith the better shooter?

You seem to assume that Harvey plays his way and not the coaches. Harvey is putting everything into making the Boomers squad and he will play however the coach wants him to play.

The only sensible argument you made was that Smith is a better defensive player, that is true but Harvey has him covered in the other areas and like I said before Harveys D has improved and isn't that far behind Smith.

Agree with much of what you said but defensively Smith is far superior. It is not even close. He is much more physical, quicker and can lock a player down. Harvs has not shown he can do that in the NBL with any degree of consistency. To say there is not much difference between them defensively weakens your argument considerably.

[coast2coast]

Bogut
Jawai
Anstey
Andersen
Nielsen
Worthington (or Redhage, pref. Worthington)
Barlow
Newley
Smith (or Harvey, pref. Smith)
Bruton
Mills
Kendall (Would love to take Ogilvy, but feel we need another combo-guard more than a big)

This may very well be the team that goes. Barlow/Saville may be the only change. Do not think you are far away at all!

[metalslugsman]

Somebody posted earlier about Harvey's scoring ability and its potential value to the team. I reckon this might be a key point as the guards are light on for creative scoring. I've always thought Smith should go for D and leadership, but I am now questioning whether he can be fitted into a team loaded with bigs and without perimeter creative flair. Harvey can defend, its a matter of application and perseverence. He has certainly got the physical tools to do the job. I think perhaps Harvey should be first choice SG with Newley & Smith fighting out second spot.

In actual fact, with Kendall's defensive prowess and fitness, I think he could be put in as a perimeter defender if Newley & Harvey were not doing the job.

FOr mine the guards should be:
CJ
Mills
Harvey
Newley
Kendall

[Voice(s)]

Well, Jason Smith certainly isn't, and the Kings went 27-3 with those two starting in the backcourt.

Oh hello, weren't you actually agreeing with me a year or so ago that Kendall is not actually a PG?

Yeah and the Kings go 27-3 due to being the Boomers-lite and you're now trying to imply Kendall and Smith were big reasons for that? Kendall shouldn't be anywhere near the Boomers team and the only reason Goorjian goes with his retarded 3 "PG" policy is to shoe horn Kendall into every single Boomers team over the last 3-4 years. Not once has he missed making a Boomers team in that time.

Don't get me started on Smith. Does washed up mean anything to you? He couldn't guard anything at the '06 WC's (while providing very little offensively) and got torched by ya boy Penney just last year. Factor in his average NBL season and his obvious decline and I'd be surprised if under any other coach he'd even make a squad of 20.

Sure he still cuts the mustard defensively at NBL level but we're talking about international basketball here and very few NBL refs allowing him to get away with his stuff. Newley and Harvey are better players and should be ahead of him in the pecking order and I think Ingles should be too especially with how well a guy like Ingles with his length would slip into international ball versus Jason "I can't create my own shot offensively whatsoever and continue to live off of my reputation on defence" Smith.

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

FOr mine the guards should be:
CJ
Mills
Harvey
Newley
Kendall

I could handle that, with Newly able toslip into the three when we go small ball! Amazing that we leave players the quality of Ingles and others just completely out of calculations.

Boomers are finally good again. Phil Smyth as coach days are OVA and FORGOTTEN! Happy Day for this awful musician!

[Stumps]

Well, Jason Smith certainly isn't, and the Kings went 27-3 with those two starting in the backcourt.
Oh hello, weren't you actually agreeing with me a year or so ago that Kendall is not actually a PG?
I was? As far as I recall I've consistently been dumping on the whole "Kendall is not a PG" attitude that seemed prevalent around here and even coming out of the mouths of the likes of Shane Heal. If ever there was a true believer in the "Luke Kendall is a point guard" religion, I think it's been me.

Yeah and the Kings go 27-3 due to being the Boomers-lite
Hang on, so when it comes national team selection time, Goorjian only picks all these Kings because he's biased, not because they deserve to be there, but when it comes time to explain away the second-best regular season in league history, it's because the Kings were stacked with legitimate national team players? Which one is it?

and you're now trying to imply Kendall and Smith were big reasons for that?
You're trying to imply they weren't? :shock:

[rjd]

CJ is the only flat out shooter, which raises Harvey's value.

How about Barlow? In my mind he's a borderline selection, but with a lack a quality perimeter shooters (and I mean "money" shooters), Barlow is a good option.

[WilloWildWaves]

If James Harvey didnt prove he deserves a spot at SG for the Boomers this season in the NBL, I dont know who has.

I'd definitely have him in ahead of Jason Smith, but I fear that wont happen.

I know I'm biased, but Smith is a much better defender than Harvey IMO and, while Harvey is the more creative scorer, Smith is the better overall shooter, which fits BG's system better. Harvey takes (and on occasion makes) a large number of high-degree-of-difficulty threes and other baskets, but these are shots that Smith just doesn't take in Sydney's system, and are probably shots that BG won't want to see too much of in China.Yes you are biased, but lets face facts: Smith will get the nod over Harvey ( I say Harvey is more deserving and the better atm) couse he plays for the Kings. Thats what BG doese :wink:

[metalslugsman]

FOr mine the guards should be:
CJ
Mills
Harvey
Newley
Kendall

I could handle that, with Newly able toslip into the three when we go small ball! Amazing that we leave players the quality of Ingles and others just completely out of calculations.

Boomers are finally good again. Phil Smyth as coach days are OVA and FORGOTTEN! Happy Day for this awful musician!I haven't seen Newley play in Europe and i saw Ingles, who seemed to have an off year. Newley is a few years older than Ingles as well, but I am sure with good coaching and natural physical development Ingles will be a first choice player for years to come (as well as Newley). I guess I am not a big believer in picking for potential/future - pick for right now unless the team is seriously rubbish, with the big names in Europe/NBA/NBL not available. IF we have any chance of a good performance then we go for it, if not the old guys get dumped (if they will not be at the next WC or Olympics) and in come the college guys etc who are going to be the future.