Cortez Groves and Julias Hodge to Tigers next season?

[havrilla the gorilla]

Heard a strong rumour from a reliable source that the Tigers had all but sown up Cortez and Julias for next season, creating huge tension within the squad. Makes sense in a way - Lampley is s selfish wanker that nobody likes(even within his own team) and with D Mac finishing the Tigers are lacking even more in the backcourt. Cortez played the 1 a fair bit with the Hawks, so he can bring a lot to this team. He obviously wasn't a good fit with the Dragons.

Groves will give them more scoring punch and penetration you rarely get from Crosswell and never get from Corletto. Hodges had a great season and I still believe imports still have a deep seated desire to play for an American coach.

If this does come true I don't know what the situation will be with DT, especially the way he has played in the finals. He was definately the X-Factor in Game 2 against Brisbane, and I couldn't believe it when Anstey got game MVP intead of him. Media pressure anyone?

Stay Tuned 8)

[boz_novocastrian]

has thomas been out here long enough to be naturalised

[djrod]

I heard Julius and someone else

[nonuthin]

Truck Yeh, gimme Hodge and anyone!!!

[HunterPirates]

has thomas been out here long enough to be naturalised


I'm not sure how naturalisation works, but can DT still play for Canada if he's naturalised here?

Prob silly question.

[stellation]

That's not a silly question at all. I assume DT would still be able to play for Canada if he became a naturalised Australian.

[boz_novocastrian]

i doubt it

[stellation]

Couldn't he hold dual citizenship?

[boz_novocastrian]

he would be as a lot of canadians have american citizenship

but i thought hp meant could he still play for canada

[insider]

Corey Homicide Williams to the tigers next year.

[djrod]

not who i was thinking of

[Lethal Vertical]

If we keep DT, I'd love Homicide Williams. He's exactly the sort of guy we need with Dmac retiring. Sign Motts from Adelaide and Williams, lose Lampley and Dmac and we'll be ready to roll for the championship.

We need a point from SOMEWHERE, so if we can sign a decent Aussie (but who?) and we can get our hands on Hodge then we really should.

[angry ant]

i dont think they'll let go dt

[Lethal Vertical]

Neither do I- I say let go of Lampley and go after Williams and Motts. The streetball scene here is pretty good and it's the most liveable city in the country so we've got a lot going for us.

[Southern Joe]

he would be as a lot of canadians have american citizenship

but i thought hp meant could he still play for canada


... Isn't there a diff. between dual citizrenship & naturalisation ?

I would imagine if DT became an Aussie he would no longer qualify for the Canadian team... just like any Amercian that naturalises here would be looking to a Boomers spot .... & not Team USA.

[bucky]

[quote="boz_novocastrian":9ej9j99b]he would be as a lot of canadians have american citizenship

but i thought hp meant could he still play for canada


... Isn't there a diff. between dual citizrenship & naturalisation ?

I would imagine if DT became an Aussie he would no longer qualify for the Canadian team... just like any Amercian that naturalises here would be looking to a Boomers spot .... & not Team USA.[/quote:9ej9j99b]

Thats correct. Dual citizenship means you can play for either country, not both. Naturalisation for DT would mean he would no longer be considered a Canadian and therefore mean he would not be eligable to play for them.

[boz_novocastrian]

so if he took up dual-citizenship would he still be considered an import or an australian player

[Mike]

Neither do I- I say let go of Lampley and go after Williams and Motts. The streetball scene here is pretty good and it's the most liveable city in the country so we've got a lot going for us.

just cause perths underworld is a notorious and was made into a shitty channel nine mini-series doesnt mean ur city is more liveable

[Hoffa]

so if he took up dual-citizenship would he still be considered an import or an australian player

He would no longer be classed as an import.

[sanchez]

Aaron Bruce
Julius Hodge
Dave Thomas
David Barlow
Chris Anstey

Rick Rickert
Nate Crosswell
Darryl Corletto
Tom Greer
Stephen Hoare
Neil Mottram

Definitely piss Lampley off, one of the most unstable men that has ever played for the Tigers (or any NBL team for that matter)

***All dependent on DT's dual citizenship

[Lethal Vertical]

It'd be nice- we probably wouldn't lose a game, but quite unrealistic :P

[DoubleA]

I cant see DT hanging around, he's had some great years but I just think he's ready to go home.

The rumor all seasons since Homicide entered the league and started showing off his skills was that he was coming to either the Drags or Tigers, so I wouldnt be surprised to see that. If we get Hodge that it leaves us a bit small upfront as currently Lampley playing at the PF.

Id imagine we'd lose Stiff/Dmac to retirement and then DT and Lampley for new imports, while keeping the remaining of the team.

[linds]

..since Homicide entered the league and started showing off his skills..

Being turnover prone, forcing your way in the key and not able to stay upright are considered skills these days? :lol:

[rjd]

Firstly, I hope we can hold onto DT. It would be crazy to release him. The only excuse is if he walks (OS).

Secondly, IMO Groves is still overrated. I suppose the question is, do we want a scoring combo guard at point who is weak defensively, or should we pursue more of a pure point who can distribute to our shooters and feed Anstey and hold his own at the defensive end? With D-Mac retiring, and if DT leaves, our defensive presence in the backcourt will practically disappear. Groves is no solution there.

Haven't seen Hodge play, so I can't comment on him.

I just fear that McPeake will try to poach a highly-rated player without thinking about team balance. IMO, it's most important to find a guard who can handle the rock, cover the best opposition backcourt player, and distribute the ball. Any offense is a bonus.

[quote="boz_novocastrian":1ff5ezyh]he would be as a lot of canadians have american citizenship

but i thought hp meant could he still play for canada


... Isn't there a diff. between dual citizrenship & naturalisation ?

I would imagine if DT became an Aussie he would no longer qualify for the Canadian team... just like any Amercian that naturalises here would be looking to a Boomers spot .... & not Team USA.

Thats correct. Dual citizenship means you can play for either country, not both. Naturalisation for DT would mean he would no longer be considered a Canadian and therefore mean he would not be eligable to play for them.[/quote:1ff5ezyh]

Can we have confirmation of this?

I thought dual-citizenship would pose no problem here. The only (simplified) restriction from FIBA is that once you represent one nation, you can't represent a different nation.

The reason that players like Mee, D-Mac, and co. can play for the Boomers is because they have never represented USA at any level. So Thomas could still play for Canada whilst holding Canadian-Australian dual-citizenship, but he couldn't ever play for the Boomers.

[inebriated]

Neither do I- I say let go of Lampley and go after Williams and Motts. The streetball scene here is pretty good and it's the most liveable city in the country so we've got a lot going for us.

"it's the most liveable city in the country"

Youre shittin me? You really dont believe that do you???

[WHIPS]

Neither do I- I say let go of Lampley and go after Williams and Motts. The streetball scene here is pretty good and it's the most liveable city in the country so we've got a lot going for us.

That depends on your source/considerations..

http://bwnt.businessweek.com/interactiv ... worldwide/ (http://bwnt.businessweek.com/interactive_reports/livable_cities_worldwide/)

http://www.economist.com/markets/rankin ... id=8908454 (http://www.economist.com/markets/rankings/displaystory.cfm?story_id=8908454)

I've spent a good deal of time in Geneva, as with a few of the other cities listed in the top 10 and can tell you it shouldn't make the top 10..It's a top 20 city but not one I would include in the ten. But unfortunately economic indicators rule these rankings rather than my opinion. :)

I'm fine with the others, though. Melbourne's nice but so is Sydney, Brisbane and Perth.

[glockers]

Both lists are flawed.

One includes Adelaide in the top 10, the other includes Auckland.

[singy]

I think DT is considering bringing his wife here to live for a few years, and that might be the only way he stays here. It's fair enough IMO, he misses his family on the other side of the world and after what he has given the Tigers over the years, I'll give him a standing ovation and wish him the best. Selfishly, I hope he's going nowhere. He is a class act and a great guy to talk to as well.

[j-mac]

I really like Lampley, but Hodge is so much better.
Surely there'd have to be at least a few NBA teams having another look at him now?

I think getting back Mottram for Stiff would be a really good move.

I'd rather Homicide than Groves.

Any chance of getting Hodge and Ballinger? They make a great pair.

[LegoSHAQ]

I think DT is considering bringing his wife here to live for a few years, and that might be the only way he stays here. It's fair enough IMO, he misses his family on the other side of the world and after what he has given the Tigers over the years, I'll give him a standing ovation and wish him the best. Selfishly, I hope he's going nowhere. He is a class act and a great guy to talk to as well.
The fact that Dave took out US citizenship last year suggests otherwise. I am pretty sure he is going back to the USA to live with his wife and play over there.. I would love to see DT in the NBL next season.. but I dont think it is likely..

[isaac]

Ballinger has just signed a three year deal with Adelaide.

[LegoSHAQ]

Great for the 36ers.. and the NBL.. :)

Correction on my previous post.. DT became a US citizen a few years ago.. but he has since been under contract with the Tigers.. which expires end of this season.. so.. point still stands.. why go to the trouble of getting US citizenship.. and not Australian? He is obviously not looking at having his family in OZ..

[j-mac]

Well if DT goes, who better to replace him (out of current players) than Hodge?

[Tigers_91]

DT has US citizenship after marrying his wife. I don' think tri-citezenship is on the cards.

[Poida]

DT has US citizenship after marrying his wife. I don' think tri-citezenship is on the cards.

So how is it that he still plays for the Canadian National team??

[Hoffa]

DT has US citizenship after marrying his wife. I don' think tri-citezenship is on the cards.

So how is it that he still plays for the Canadian National team??

Dual citizenship? (Canada/US)

[LegoSHAQ]

Yeah the US used to not allow duel citizenship.. you had to renounce your other citizenship.. but these days they allow it..

Anyway.. Hodge is the perfect replacement for DT if the Tigers can get him..

[Southern Joe]

Firstly, I hope we can hold onto DT. It would be crazy to release him. The only excuse is if he walks (OS).

Secondly, IMO Groves is still overrated. I suppose the question is, do we want a scoring combo guard at point who is weak defensively, or should we pursue more of a pure point who can distribute to our shooters and feed Anstey and hold his own at the defensive end? With D-Mac retiring, and if DT leaves, our defensive presence in the backcourt will practically disappear. Groves is no solution there.

Haven't seen Hodge play, so I can't comment on him.

I just fear that McPeake will try to poach a highly-rated player without thinking about team balance. IMO, it's most important to find a guard who can handle the rock, cover the best opposition backcourt player, and distribute the ball. Any offense is a bonus.

[quote="boz_novocastrian":2bqnlhqf]he would be as a lot of canadians have american citizenship

but i thought hp meant could he still play for canada


... Isn't there a diff. between dual citizrenship & naturalisation ?

I would imagine if DT became an Aussie he would no longer qualify for the Canadian team... just like any Amercian that naturalises here would be looking to a Boomers spot .... & not Team USA.

Thats correct. Dual citizenship means you can play for either country, not both. Naturalisation for DT would mean he would no longer be considered a Canadian and therefore mean he would not be eligable to play for them.

Can we have confirmation of this?

I thought dual-citizenship would pose no problem here. The only (simplified) restriction from FIBA is that once you represent one nation, you can't represent a different nation.

The reason that players like Mee, D-Mac, and co. can play for the Boomers is because they have never represented USA at any level. So Thomas could still play for Canada whilst holding Canadian-Australian dual-citizenship, but he couldn't ever play for the Boomers.[/quote:2bqnlhqf]


.... I don't know if it is specific to FIBA ... but otehrs have changed natinalities & performed for their new countries .,... most stands in my mind Merlene Ottey .. who became a Slovenian citizen & raced in the Olympics as one.

[DICKO]

Shouldn't you lot be supporting your team in the CURRENT GRAND FINAL series, instead of working out how to hack it up for NEXT season?

:roll:

[j-mac]

I don't know that we'll see Hodge back in Australia next season.
http://www.nba.com/dleague/news/week_ahead_080310.html

[isaac]

Check out his line from today...

34 points, 12 rebounds, nine assists.
http://www.nba.com/dleague/games/200803 ... score.html (http://www.nba.com/dleague/games/20080311/AUSABQ/boxscore.html)

[AngusH]

Seems to me stats in the NBDL are hella inflated. There are guys who blow that league away yet haven't even performed all that well at the NBL level.

[DoubleA]

Seems to me stats in the NBDL are hella inflated. There are guys who blow that league away yet haven't even performed all that well at the NBL level.

Not only that they dont get paid that well, I've heard from an import who's currently in Australia that the average pay is $30k-$50k and at most you can get is $80-100k so Julius may have gotten a full seasons NBDL pay while at the 6ers.

[Cram]

Seems to me stats in the NBDL are hella inflated. There are guys who blow that league away yet haven't even performed all that well at the NBL level.

Not only that they dont get paid that well, I've heard from an import who's currently in Australia that the average pay is $30k-$50k and at most you can get is $80-100k so Julius may have gotten a full seasons NBDL pay while at the 6ers.

Seems to be working for him. Get some cash, and still get back to the D-League to show his skills and try and get a shot at the big time.

Good luck to him, I think he definately deserves to be there.

[Clips]

He leads the league on combined PPG, RPG and APG (http://www.nba.com/dleague/statistics/player/PRA.jsp?league=20&season=22007&conf=OVERALL&position=0&splitType=9&splitScope=GAME&qualified=Y&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=All%20Teams)

[AngusH]

The thing with Julius is that the guy is a flatout baller as we've all seen, but his lack of a jumpshot is always going to make it very difficult for him to work his way back in to the NBA. Good luck to him though, I hope he makes it.

[Cram]

The thing with Julius is that the guy is a flatout baller as we've all seen, but his lack of a jumpshot is always going to make it very difficult for him to work his way back in to the NBA. Good luck to him though, I hope he makes it.

I think thats less of an issue in the NBA to be honest. With the various different rules in the NBA which encourage guys to drive rather than shoot it. There's plenty of mid level NBA players with no range at all, but they do need to be very good at something, and for Hodge I think getting to the cup is it. Of course, if a team is looking for a third string swingman shooter to play spot minutes here and there, then he's not gonna get that gig.

[Voice(s)]

Even though the quality of the D-League can be questioned he is putting up very good numbers. I still don't think he has much chance of playing in the NBA again because he can't shoot and also has to dominate the ball to be effective. He wouldn't have a hope of playing a point forward type role in an NBA set up even if he saw time and realistically wouldn't see the ball anyway. He wouldn't be of much value to an NBA team unless he a) could shoot, b) he was a pretty good defender and c) he was 7'0''.

[Cram]

I disagree. I think talent in the end, wins out. And this guy has bucket loads of it.

Edit: Look at Desmond Mason as an example of a similarly built player who has no jump shot but had a solid career.

[havrilla the gorilla]

Looks like the Julias Hodge half of this thread may be revealing itself, but has anybody heard the latest on Cortez Groves?

As another person pointed out, I don't think Groves can play strong enough D under a Goorj regime, and I don't see him as a good fit at the Dragons anyway. I'm sure he is still highly regarded as a possible pickup in the league given the right club. But which one?