Tigers Off Season Thread 08/09

[Tigers_06-07]

Out: Dmac - Retired
Stiff - ?? Out of contract so probably won't be back
DT - ?? May go home to be with Family
Lampley - ?? Doubt he will be back. Did the job we needed this season

In: PG?? - Draper? Homicide?
Younger replacement for Stiffy - Mottram??
If Lampley goes as expected replacement could be - Hodge?? Ere?? Grizzard??

[Lethal Vertical]

Two important priorities- Get a point man to replace Dmac and get someone who can play in the low post to replace Lampley.

I say "replace" Lampley on the presumption that we'll need to find an import for the point spot, but if we can find a decent Australian point guard from somewhere, then we could look at keeping Lampley, but the point guard has to be the first priority.

[Tigers_06-07]

So LV we should look at getting CJ or Luke Kendall perhaps? Depending of course on what happens with those two teams this off-season.

[Lethal Vertical]

CJ most definitely. Not sure if it'd be possible to fit him into the points cap because DMac would've had very low points due to loyalty. Thats going to be an issue.

Not sold on Kendall, I'd want someone with better ball handling skills.

[tommy gunn]

Daniel Dillon will play for Tigers

[Lethal Vertical]

Anyone heard much about this guy, is he any good? His stats don't look fantastic...

[Tigers_06-07]

Who is Daniel Dillon tommy?[/code]

[glockers]

Isn't he a young Aussie forward who red shirted a season or two back at Arizona?

[LegoSHAQ]

Dream scenario would be to get Draper and Hodge as the two imports.. doubt that would happen.. But just one of those two would be nice.. :)

I would also welcome Mottram back.. he and Hoare would be great sharing time at the power forward.

But yeah I think priority is a creative PG. It is obvious the Tigers biggest weakness was creating something when their regular offense died up. If they can get a PG who can create in those situations they will be well on the way to another GF.

[Poida]

Dillon is just finishing up his Senior season at Arizona. Former Bulleen junior, a good defender and athletic.

Any chance they would go after Aaron Bruce??

[boz_novocastrian]

with respect to bruce he could be an option for either the dragons or tigers, but realistically could he be in europe though

[Tigers_06-07]

Dillon is just finishing up his Senior season at Arizona. Former Bulleen junior, a good defender and athletic. So he is a bit like Tommy Greer Poida?

[Poida]

Better than Greer. He's in the Boomers extended squad.

[Mr_Black]

Out: Dmac - Retired
Stiff - ?? Out of contract so probably won't be back
DT - ?? May go home to be with Family
Lampley - ?? Doubt he will be back. Did the job we needed this season

In: PG?? - Draper? Homicide?
Younger replacement for Stiffy - Mottram??
If Lampley goes as expected replacement could be - Hodge?? Ere?? Grizzard??

Ideal scenario for imports is Homicide or Draper runnnig the PG, and Hodge or Grizzard at the PF.

Re-signing Motts would be a good pick. I think his true ability was crushed under the system in Adelaide.

This leaves us with yet another spare spot which I think might be well spent on an aussie swingman

[Cram]

Any other positions really need to wait until we get the PG situation settled. Most likely it would be an import, but if we could get a CJ or a Bruce (or, say, Markovic or Dickel) then we wouldnt have to use an import spot. The only problem there would be with someone like CJ, you wouldnt be able to add 2 more imports without losing someone else on high-ish points (Stiff?) and getting a rookie in (Sturt?). Although if we got Bruce as a 3 pointer, that would negate that problem.

Also, if we lose DT (please no!) we need an import SG as well (or perhaps a SF and swing Barlow to the 2), which would be a greater concern than another big import.

I wouldnt mind seeing Stiffy come back again, he seems to still have something left. Although if he did leave, I would love to go after Motts again.

Assuming we lose DT, Lampley (and of course Dmac) we'd probably be looking at 2 import guards and an aussie forward (Motts, or perhaps even Egan).

But yeah, will wait to see what happens in the next few weeks in terms of who is definately out etc before we can figure out what we need.

[havrilla the gorilla]

The thing you need to look at before cutting somebody lose(eg- Stiff) is if there is an upgrade available, and is the position easy to fill. Unfortunately good big men do not grow on trees, so I would be very wary of letting Stiff go unless he retires. He is a veteran, a legitimate shot blocker and can still offer some offence when neeed. You you honestly let a guy with six rings go?

The exception being the upgrade(eg-an Aron Baynes or a Craig Bradshaw type) but these also do not grow on trees.

I started the Hodge and Groves post as I heard it on very good advisory. I know it doesn't neccesarily fix the D-Mac vacancy but there is no reason why Groves(who played the 1 a lot at the Hawks) can't rotate with Crosswell with Corletto perhaps helping out. Homicide would be a huge coup but can't see it happening for some reason. Forget CJ he won't go down, he hates Crosswell too much.

Gee what a tough dilemma for you guys. The last 3 grand finals with 2 championships. Better make wholesale changes already. :?

[phill]

Who ever the Tiges get you better make sure their no heavier than the ones they replace. It would be hell for Anstey to carry an even greater load on his back. :wink:

[singy]

Stiffy has indicated he wants one more season, and you'd be silly not to allow that. He can still play, and he undoubtedly contributed this season.

D Mac can also go again (off the bench), but Seamus is completely against the idea, hence the "retirement".

DT would be a huge loss if he doesn't return.

An import PG is a top priority, but one that is happy to play behind Crosswell (i.e. Draper). Nate really stepped up after he was moved into the starting five this season, and I think he deserves the chance to continue that. Cortez would not fit this scenario, so I'm not really in favour of that. Don't even get me started on CJ coming to the Tigers - we had enough ego to deal with this year with Lampley.

I'd welcome Motts back in a second, in the hope that he stays injury free.

Not sure what's happening with DC, but I think he's out of contract. He will be playing in the Big V after a short break though.

Tommy Greer is expected to play more minutes next season (about time), and no doubt he will continue to elevate his game after his Tigers' Most Improved Player award this season.

Depending on how he and Adrien Sturt go during the Big V (starting in 2 weeks), both could be exciting prospects for the Tigers at the cheap points rating of only 1 point.

[phill]

Singy, Your kidding aren't you about comparing CJ to Lampley. Mate you have been partying hard!Also Draper was happy coming off the bench for BG only. He would never come off the bench for anyone else. Fullstop.

[smittys07]

DT wants to come back, the Tigers have told him they'd like him back.

Does it actually happen? Remains to be seen.

[bucky]

CJ most definitely. Not sure if it'd be possible to fit him into the points cap because DMac would've had very low points due to loyalty. Thats going to be an issue.

Not sold on Kendall, I'd want someone with better ball handling skills.

Has this ever been a problem for Seamus?

[LegoSHAQ]

DT wants to come back, the Tigers have told him they'd like him back.

Does it actually happen? Remains to be seen.

Anstey/Stiff
Hoare/Mottram
Barlow/Greer
DT/DC
Import/Crosswell

Works for me.. :)

I'd love to see DT back.. didn't get to see him much this season.. thank god he was good for the playoffs...

But everything I've heard sugggests DT is gone.. :(

[DoubleA]

DT wants to come back, the Tigers have told him they'd like him back.

Does it actually happen? Remains to be seen.

Anstey/Stiff
Hoare/Mottram
Barlow/Greer
DT/DC
Import/Crosswell

Works for me.. :)

I'd love to see DT back.. didn't get to see him much this season.. thank god he was good for the playoffs...

But everything I've heard sugggests DT is gone.. :(

That team looks nowhere near as good, I think we need an import PF

[Stumps]

What are you worried about? It's not as if there'll be any teams next season capable of matching you.

[LegoSHAQ]

That team looks nowhere near as good, I think we need an import PF
Yeah.. because our import forwards brought so much to the team this season.. :?

[Cram]

I'd be more than happy with that team. The import PG would need to be able to score a bit and hit the outside shot. With more scoring coming from the PG position (something we really lacked this season) that would free up DT (or the replacement import SG) and Barlow on the wings a bit more. Motts also worked well in our system posting up and playing as feeder and I think he could slot back in next to Anstey to give us a genuine inside option.

[Cram]

An import PG is a top priority, but one that is happy to play behind Crosswell (i.e. Draper). Nate really stepped up after he was moved into the starting five this season, and I think he deserves the chance to continue that.

While Crossy did play really well in the playoffs, I think the import PG really needs to be starting quality. Especially when the new PF (you would expect) would be a relatively low points rated player (eg: Motts) ad wont give us the 16 and 8 that Lampley did. Therefore we need more production from the PG. While Crossy did step up, I cant see him giving us the offensive production we're really going to need, so I think he'd be looking at going back to a back up 10-15mpg situation (but be one of the better back up PG's going around)

[j-mac]

Stiff wants to play another year with the Tigers. I'd give it to him. I think he still has "it" and I thought his best games of the season were the last two - nice timing. Also, Anstey doesn't spend too much time on the bench, so his age shouldn't really be a factor. However, if Stiffy goes, I'd love to have Mottram back.

Lampley wants to go NBA again. I'd already read that and he confirmed it on Saturday. I'd love to have him back but would also like to see how he goes in the NBA.

An import PG is a top priority, but one that is happy to play behind Crosswell (i.e. Draper). Nate really stepped up after he was moved into the starting five this season, and I think he deserves the chance to continue that. Cortez would not fit this scenario, so I'm not really in favour of that. Don't even get me started on CJ coming to the Tigers - we had enough ego to deal with this year with Lampley.

Rubbish. Yes Crosswell stepped up, but nowhere near enough to be guaranteed the starting PG role for next season. If we can get Homicide, Groves, Draper or whoever, they should start. If we can't get a good enough PG, then Crosswell can start.

I think we should be looking for an import PF, perhaps one who can play centre too. Depending on what goes on in Brisbane, Rychart would be a good pick up. I'd love to see Rosell Ellis in red next season, but I suppose that depends on whether the Crocs keep Young. I think the only scenario in which we should go for an Aussie replacement for Lampley is if we can get Hodge or Ere so we have plenty of power outside. I think a gun post player is very good, because it means its not as bad when Anstey avoids to key all night. The easiest way to get a gun is via the import spot.

If DT stays (or we can get Ere or Hodge), then we need an Aussie PG and if all else fails Braith Cox or Matt O'Hea could do the job in a few minutes with Cornetto also getting PG time. The shuffle offence also helps out PGs without real PG skills, so Cornetto and O'Hea wouldn't necessarily fail.
If DT leaves, I reckon we should get an import PG, unless we could get Ere or Hodge. Cornetto, Barlow and Greer can all play shooting guard, but I still think Crosswell is a bit of a weakness, particularly seeing as if he starts next season, he won't have D-Mac t share game time equally and be a gun off the bench. Homicide would be my number one pick, but wouldn't say no to Groves or Draper.

[DoubleA]

Lampley wants to go NBA again. I'd already read that and he confirmed it on Saturday. I'd love to have him back but would also like to see how he goes in the NBA.

I thought Lampley was rubbish the entire series except for 2 or 3 shots.

He missed those 2 FT's in game 4 as well, and he was a hog at the start of game 5 he routinely went 3-4/12-15 in the series FG wise.

He showed what a team can do to him, when theyve had more than enough time to scout him. Guys like Barlow, DT, Anstey the intensified pressure didnt affect as much as it did Lampley, and it wasnt as if he was ever double teamed.

[Cram]

Yeah Lampley definately got worked out. A little like Bennett Davison when he was here. Once they figured out what he wanted to do, he just started jacking jump shots, which, while he can make some, thats not his strength and quite often he missed open men jacking up crap. He was also very slap happy defensively.

[j-mac]

Lampley wants to go NBA again. I'd already read that and he confirmed it on Saturday. I'd love to have him back but would also like to see how he goes in the NBA.

I thought Lampley was rubbish the entire series except for 2 or 3 shots.



I thought he was pretty good in game 2, but yes was rubbish throughout the rest of the series. But what's your point?
Are you saying we shouldn't keep him? He had games in the regular season that showed how good he can be. Plus he played rubbish but we still won the 5 game series!
If you're saying he won't make the NBA, I think you may be right. Lampley was very inconsistent this season, so while he had some big games, the fact that he couldn't do it regularly and he's 28 not 23-24 that Hodge is or Powell was.

Speaking of which, Carlos Powell would be an awesome replacement for Lampley too, if he doesn't make the NBA and doesn't want to play D League anymore.

[singy]

I thought Lampley was rubbish the entire series except for 2 or 3 shots.

I agree, and I think you'll find most of the guys did too. Anstey's comment after Game 3 said it all for me when he said "he (Sean) keeps telling us all year how good he is and he finally proved it" (emphasis added).

Lampley decided right from the beginning of Game 1 that he was going to take on the Sydney crowd, and instead of simply shutting them out, he tried to shut them up. Unfortunately, that routinely involved taking shots he wasn't supposed to, or jacking up shots with 2 defenders in his face while others stood there waiting for the open pass.

Even on Sean's Facebook page his comment was "Sean is happy HE won a Championship". Excuse me, but I think you'll find it was a team effort, primarily led by Anstey, DT & Barlow.

I thank him for his contributions, but I hope I don't see him in a Tigers' uniform next season. We have more important needs than a player like Lampley.

[Stumps]

Lampley was keeping the Kings in it during Game 5, with his ego-driven rushed bricks. It was getting to the point where they needed to starting thinking about keeping the ball out of his hands altogether.

[Lemon Custard]

Yeah Lampley definately got worked out. A little like Bennett Davison when he was here. Once they figured out what he wanted to do, he just started jacking jump shots, which, while he can make some, thats not his strength and quite often he missed open men jacking up crap. He was also very slap happy defensively.

His favourite defensive move is the mid air push. Just a slight nudge to render the opposition player off balance when they land.

How they miss it, I'll never know.

[j-mac]

Ballinger too, would be a great replacement for Lampley. But I imagine Adelaide would be very very keen to keep him.

[Rat10]

Ballinger too, would be a great replacement for Lampley. But I imagine Adelaide would be very very keen to keep him.

Imagine no more. Adelaide already have him signed up.

[j-mac]

Damn.

Still, I'm hopeful we could get one of Dusty, Ellis or maybe even Galen Young.

And who was the guy the Blaze brought in after Hawkins had the stroke? He was pretty good wasn't he and they can only keep one of them so I guess the other could be available.

Grizzard would be handy too.

[Rat10]

Yeah Lampley definately got worked out. A little like Bennett Davison when he was here. Once they figured out what he wanted to do, he just started jacking jump shots, which, while he can make some, thats not his strength and quite often he missed open men jacking up crap. He was also very slap happy defensively.

His favourite defensive move is the mid air push. Just a slight nudge to render the opposition player off balance when they land.

How they miss it, I'll never know.

So far we've got at least three Tigers who have played illegally but all manage to get away with it with the refs turning a blind eye on every occassion. Anstey gets away with illegal screens and gets to foul people without getting called for it, Dmac gets away with knocking the forearm off defenders away when he is backing them down and Lampley gets away with the 'mid air push'.

And of course then we have the entire Tigers team that run various illegal offensive and defensive sets.

I can't wait for the Kings and Sixers to play a play-off series so I can be educated about all the illegal moves that the Sixers players get away with that go undetected by all the referees and fans except those that support the Sydney Kings.

[Stumps]

No, the Sixers just get babied to by hometown refs who call a foul every time the other team sneezes :wink:

[Cussy]

Yeah Lampley definately got worked out. A little like Bennett Davison when he was here. Once they figured out what he wanted to do, he just started jacking jump shots, which, while he can make some, thats not his strength and quite often he missed open men jacking up crap. He was also very slap happy defensively.

His favourite defensive move is the mid air push. Just a slight nudge to render the opposition player off balance when they land.

How they miss it, I'll never know.

So far we've got at least three Tigers who have played illegally but all manage to get away with it with the refs turning a blind eye on every occassion. Anstey gets away with illegal screens and gets to foul people without getting called for it, Dmac gets away with knocking the forearm off defenders away when he is backing them down and Lampley gets away with the 'mid air push'.

And of course then we have the entire Tigers team that run various illegal offensive and defensive sets.


You forgot that he intentionally injures people in such a way that no one sees it.

[brad_1997]

I thought Lampley was rubbish the entire series except for 2 or 3 shots.

I agree, and I think you'll find most of the guys did too. Anstey's comment after Game 3 said it all for me when he said "he (Sean) keeps telling us all year how good he is and he finally proved it" (emphasis added).

Lampley decided right from the beginning of Game 1 that he was going to take on the Sydney crowd, and instead of simply shutting them out, he tried to shut them up. Unfortunately, that routinely involved taking shots he wasn't supposed to, or jacking up shots with 2 defenders in his face while others stood there waiting for the open pass.

Even on Sean's Facebook page his comment was "Sean is happy HE won a Championship". Excuse me, but I think you'll find it was a team effort, primarily led by Anstey, DT & Barlow.

I thank him for his contributions, but I hope I don't see him in a Tigers' uniform next season. We have more important needs than a player like Lampley.

Couldn't agree more.

Based on what we saw, Lampley is kidding himself if he thinks he can get back to the NBA. His best would barely get him there anyway, but the gulf between his best and his worst is HUGE.

Priorities for the off-season, as have been mentioned, a point guard who can handle the ball and shoot and an aussie to play PF.

Would love to see Greer, Sturt and O'Hea get some more mins and Corletto continue to improve his game. He either has to become automatic when he's open and be aggressive taking those shots or add some more strings to his bow. I think his defence improved this season and he added a little drive to the basket with those weird almost off balance layups, but he needs more or Greer will overtake him.

[paul]

I think Croswell will start again next year, and look to bring in Bruce to back him up and the become the long term starter. I dont believe Bruce has a Euro passport and he is not consistent enough or strong enough to be an import there.

I dont think Markovic or Dickel are good enough to be starters on a good NBL team. Dickel really struggled in the Euroleague this year and the NBL top 4 are as good as Euroleague teams.

Westover loves having a long athletic team so I think the Tigers will use their two import spots for a swingman and athletic 3-4 man who can compete with the Worthingtons, Mackinnons, Peros and Redhages of this league.

[singy]

Would love to see Greer, Sturt and O'Hea get some more mins and Corletto continue to improve his game. He either has to become automatic when he's open and be aggressive taking those shots or add some more strings to his bow. I think his defence improved this season and he added a little drive to the basket with those weird almost off balance layups, but he needs more or Greer will overtake him.

Tommy will get more minutes next season and I would expect Sturt to get a few more too. O'Hea on the other hand I'm not sure. He had an opportunity at the start of the season, but didn't really take it. He'll need to impress in the Big V (and Al is coaching the team as well) to keep a spot on the roster IMO.

DC needs to step up as well, as you mentioned. He will sit out the first part of the Big V season, but I'm not sure what's happening with his contract. I'd be happy to keep him, but he does need to get the confidence to take the open shot and know he can make it.

[dC]

I would love to see Aaron bruce picked up by Melbourne, if anyone remembers his freshman season, thats just a glimpse of what he can do if given the role of floor general. Baylor has unfortunately been filled with guards who need the ball recently.

I think Homicide could be a possibility.. and if DT is out, Hodge could be a huge pickup.

[jesuc jexus]

lampley should go away.

[Lethal Vertical]

Tommy will get more minutes next season and I would expect Sturt to get a few more too. O'Hea on the other hand I'm not sure. He had an opportunity at the start of the season, but didn't really take it. He'll need to impress in the Big V (and Al is coaching the team as well) to keep a spot on the roster IMO.



Is D-Mac playing Big V?

[singy]

Tommy will get more minutes next season and I would expect Sturt to get a few more too. O'Hea on the other hand I'm not sure. He had an opportunity at the start of the season, but didn't really take it. He'll need to impress in the Big V (and Al is coaching the team as well) to keep a spot on the roster IMO.



Is D-Mac playing Big V?

At this stage, the Tigers Big V team only has 5 players - Tommy, Bo Westover, Matt O'Hea, Adrien Sturt and Derrick McDonald. DC is supposed to be joining the team at some point, but other than that, that's all I've heard. Pretty sure D-Mac is looking at coaching options.
Big V starts Saturday night (29th March) so the first few games could be interesting if they don't get a team together!

[Lethal Vertical]

They'll be competitive with that starting 5 at least. Add DC and you've got a solid Big V team. Sturt and Greer should rip it up, and O'Hea will score 20 a night.

[brad_1997]

Would love to see Greer, Sturt and O'Hea get some more mins and Corletto continue to improve his game. He either has to become automatic when he's open and be aggressive taking those shots or add some more strings to his bow. I think his defence improved this season and he added a little drive to the basket with those weird almost off balance layups, but he needs more or Greer will overtake him.

Tommy will get more minutes next season and I would expect Sturt to get a few more too. O'Hea on the other hand I'm not sure. He had an opportunity at the start of the season, but didn't really take it. He'll need to impress in the Big V (and Al is coaching the team as well) to keep a spot on the roster IMO.

DC needs to step up as well, as you mentioned. He will sit out the first part of the Big V season, but I'm not sure what's happening with his contract. I'd be happy to keep him, but he does need to get the confidence to take the open shot and know he can make it.

I thought O'Hea showed enough from very limited opportunities. He needs to work hard on his handle (something Corletto also desperatly needs to do) and defence in particular to give him a greater chance of getting more mins.

We have a deep roster but we're very focused on our stars, which is why we struggle when one of them is injured or not playing well.

When Brisbane beat us last season it was guys like Gibson and Williamson hitting big shots that killed us. We rarely get that from our young guys and I wonder if its firstly because we don't allow them to take the shots during the regular season, so there's little hope of them making in the playoffs.

I guess what I'm saying is I'd like to see Anstey and co. sit a bit longer during the regular season next year and give Greer, O'Hea and Sturt more opportunity when the game is still alive.

[Stumps]

DC needs to step up as well, as you mentioned. He will sit out the first part of the Big V season, but I'm not sure what's happening with his contract. I'd be happy to keep him, but he does need to get the confidence to take the open shot and know he can make it.
The question is whether the team is willing to carry him as a 6-point player rather than a 1-point player. I'm sure Seamus would be tempted to think he could get better value from that cap space ...

[LegoSHAQ]

DC needs to step up as well, as you mentioned. He will sit out the first part of the Big V season, but I'm not sure what's happening with his contract. I'd be happy to keep him, but he does need to get the confidence to take the open shot and know he can make it.
The question is whether the team is willing to carry him as a 6-point player rather than a 1-point player. I'm sure Seamus would be tempted to think he could get better value from that cap space ...
Surley Semus has worked out a loophole to sign him as a 1 again.. ;)
Corletto cant be surprised if he is let go.. In 2004-2005 when he was given more minutes he did step up and begin to improve.. but last two seasons he hasn't continued with that improvement. This year in particular he had the oppertunity.. with DT out.. and he didn't deliver.. his percentages were down again in all areas and he really seemed to lack confidence in his shot...
You have Matt O'Hea who has improved in the very limited minutes that he gets (like 4 mins) .. he deserves to be given an oppertunity.. if he is it will be at the cost of Corletto..

[curious]

Loss of Dmac as a 6-7 point player will hurt too.

[singy]

You have Matt O'Hea who has improved in the very limited minutes that he gets (like 4 mins) .. he deserves to be given an oppertunity.. if he is it will be at the cost of Corletto..

I have to disagree with this. On one of the road trips late in the season, I had a chat with Al at the airport, and he sounded fairly disappointed with Matt O'Hea, in that he didn't take his opportunity earlier in the season when we had injuries. I agree with Al in that regard, and I can't see Matt getting a roster spot at DC's expense. DC undoubtedly needs to step up, but I'd think he'd be ahead of Matt O'Hea - unless of course we run into points cap issues, but Seamus will figure something out. :wink:

[LegoSHAQ]

I dunno.. O'Hea has had 2 games where he was on the court more than 10 mins. One of those being against the Dragons (15-Dec-07) where he got 13 mins. I'm not saying he performed well.. but if you look at the same game Corletto played 34 mins and did worse than O'Hea. This is the best comparison I can come up with without looking in more detail. I agree both under performed than what you would expect from them. I just think with Corletto moving from a 1 to 6 point player this year it is not a hard decision between them.

Also according to NBL O'Hea is signed where Corletto is a free agent.

Signed: Chris ANSTEY, David BARLOW, Nathan CROSSWELL, Tom GREER, Stephen HOARE, Derrick McDONALD,, Matt O'HEA, Adrien STURT, Boden WESTOVER
Free Agents: Daryl CORLETTO, Sean LAMPLEY, David STIFF, Dave THOMAS

Does anyone else think Jason Crowe is worth a look as the second import for the Tigers next year. I think he could fit in nicely.

[Lethal Vertical]

Not really.

For the amount of minutes he played, he really didn't produce that much. There are others I'd much rather have.

[Tigers_06-07]

Crowe is streaky and inconsistent. Also I think he turns the ball over too much. Would much rather Draper or Hinson to name a couple of imports or CJ/Kendall.

[Cram]

Now, my knowledge pre 89ish is very hazy, but, will this be the first Tigers import PG since Al Westover in the Tigers debut season?

[Earnie Shavers]

Not if you get CJ Bruton.

[WHIPS]

Not if you get CJ Bruton.

I was under the impression CJ was either staying put in Brisbane (if a team is fielded next season) or off to Russia. I'm hoping its the former. Although, I wouldn't mind catching a game in Moscow next season..

[singy]

Also according to NBL O'Hea is signed where Corletto is a free agent.

Well, that does change things. I didn't realise Matty was signed for next season. Maybe the Big V could actually play a role in deciding what happens here. I know the level of competition is different, but both DC and Matty played very well there last year. DC is only playing later in the Big V season though, so that could also swing things in Matty's favour.

[Poida]

DC is scared of Vince Inglima 8)

[curious]

Any truth the the rumour NO IMPORTS next season?

[rjd]

Does that imply that there will be some major Aussie talent coming in? Seamus doesn't like wasting those points of his.

[Lethal Vertical]

Yeah, it'd be nice to have Nielsen and Aaron Bruce/CJ replacing DT and Lampley, but somehow I'm not so sure....

[Earnie Shavers]

Well, between Lampley, Thomas and D-Mac you have 26 (?) points to play with. The bad news for the Tigers is D-Mac really was worth 10. The good news for the Tigers is Lampley's output could have been covered by someone of lesser value. So you 'spend' Lampley's 10 on replacing D-Mac, you squeeze a point here and there (as they do) and get an 8ish pt Aussie forward to replace Lampley's output. Replace Thomas with another 10pointer.

Completely blowing this out my arse (although there is some suggestion that the Tigers really want Worthington), but if CJ and Mackinnon are available and the Tigers really, really, really don't care about the salary cap, you can juggle a mix of two of those three around in there. They could also go with both Worthington and Mackinnon, and have Crosswell and Bruce in the PG position.

Sounds crazy, but if there's a suggeston they're going all Aussie, you'd have to assume that means 2 killer recruits.

[AngusH]

Yeah, it'd be nice to have Nielsen and Aaron Bruce/CJ replacing DT and Lampley, but somehow I'm not so sure....

Martin Iti perhaps? There are a couple of Aussies leaving the college ranks that teams will probably target.

Aleks Maric would be a major score for the NBL, but he'll have no shortage of offers to take his game to EU, I'm sure.

[Poida]

Daniel Dillon, not Bruce :P

[Lethal Vertical]

That makes a lot of sense.

In terms of salary, Mackinnon's overseas value will have dropped significantly after his injury riddled season but I'm not sure about CJ or Worthington- you'd think they could attract much bigger money elsewhere.

[Stumps]

Unless I'm very much mistaken, Mackinnon + Worthington + Bruton = 30 big ones.

[rjd]

Just throwing up names here...

OS-based players
Ryan? He's from Melbourne, after all.
Nielsen or Newley would be massive recruits, but realistically well out of reach.
Schenscher... well, let Adelaide have him.

College players
Bruce is an obvious target, being a bargain for his 3 points, and addressing the weakness at the guard spots.
Maric is another coming out of college, but will probably go to Europe.

NBL FAs
I can't find many quality Australian players on the NBL free agents list apart from Wortho, Smith, and, I suppose, Kendall. But with Goorj going to the Dragons, I'd expect them to wind up there if they are to depart Sydney (although Wortho looks like he may go elsewhere). The rest of the Aussie FAs are basically role player types.

So I struggle to see how the Tigers can replace the imports with locals.

[rjd]

Mackinnon ... Bruton

Are they free agents now?

[curious]

One would imgaine that either tomorrow or Monday they will be.
As with all the Bullets players.

[dC]

Homicide a 'possibility' to the Tigers... could be interesting... He's over in Croatia playing and plans to come back to the NBL next season. how would Tiger fans like this?

since Melbourne teens are big fans of streetball, it could also be a drawcard, even though Corey's clearly shown he knows how to differentiate streetball from organised.

[King of Kings]

Well, between Lampley, Thomas and D-Mac you have 26 (?) points to play with. The bad news for the Tigers is D-Mac really was worth 10. The good news for the Tigers is Lampley's output could have been covered by someone of lesser value. So you 'spend' Lampley's 10 on replacing D-Mac, you squeeze a point here and there (as they do) and get an 8ish pt Aussie forward to replace Lampley's output. Replace Thomas with another 10pointer.

Completely blowing this out my arse (although there is some suggestion that the Tigers really want Worthington), but if CJ and Mackinnon are available and the Tigers really, really, really don't care about the salary cap, you can juggle a mix of two of those three around in there. They could also go with both Worthington and Mackinnon, and have Crosswell and Bruce in the PG position.

Sounds crazy, but if there's a suggeston they're going all Aussie, you'd have to assume that means 2 killer recruits.

How can the Tigers get Worthington, when he is under contract?

[Dunkin' Dan]

How can the Tigers get Worthington, when he is under contract?
There is no possible way.

(Just like there is no possible way that Goorjian will be doing anything other than finishing out his contract with the Kings next season)

[Earnie Shavers]

How can the Tigers get Worthington, when he is under contract?

Well the Wildcats and Taipans certainly don't think he his, being the two teams that have expressed their desires publicly. The NBL doesn't seem to either, listing him on the FA list. Virtually every media report lists him as one as well. Why do you think he's not?

[Stumps]

Didn't he sign a three-year deal as a rookie, which would now have expired?

Unless King of Kings is referring to the fact that he's under contract until two weeks after the grand final or whatever the technicality is.

[Lethal Vertical]

Homicide a 'possibility' to the Tigers... could be interesting... He's over in Croatia playing and plans to come back to the NBL next season. how would Tiger fans like this?

since Melbourne teens are big fans of streetball, it could also be a drawcard, even though Corey's clearly shown he knows how to differentiate streetball from organised.

I've flagged this stacks of times- I'd be rapt if he became a Tiger. He's the best point man in the league, if we can sign him to replace Lampley as our 2nd import, I'm stoked.

People seem to be suggesting there's a fair chance of losing DT, but people have said every off season since.....well, since, so I'm going to operate on the assumption we keep him. We then need to sign an Aussie as our 2nd signing- of the names offered up so far, the need for a bigger type player would mean that Worthington Or Marics would be what we need. If we sign either of them AND Williams, we're looking good for next season.

[Cram]

Yep, if our changes for the season were McDonald and Lampley out, and Williams and Maric in, I would be stoked.

[rjd]

I thought we'd hear about many NBL teams chasing Aaron Bruce. He may not have gone on as expected after his impressive freshman year, but he would still be set for ROTY. He's already one of the best points in the country. At the college rate of 3 points, he's a bargain.

[AngusH]

I thought we'd hear about many NBL teams chasing Aaron Bruce. He may not have gone on as expected after his impressive freshman year, but he would still be set for ROTY. He's already one of the best points in the country. At the college rate of 3 points, he's a bargain.

Unless Europe is an option for him, and it probably isn't given this year, he'll be a hot commodity for sure. Someone said Dragons are the current rumour, but who knows.

[Cram]

I thought I read somewhere in the Dragons thread he was a done deal to follow Goorj there?

If not I'd love the Tigers to go after him, but he seems the perfect fit to go learn more from Goorj

[curious]

I thought I read somewhere in the Dragons thread he was a done deal to follow Goorj there?
Well it must be true then. ;)

[whupass]

I thought we'd hear about many NBL teams chasing Aaron Bruce. He may not have gone on as expected after his impressive freshman year, but he would still be set for ROTY. He's already one of the best points in the country. At the college rate of 3 points, he's a bargain.

Unless Europe is an option for him, and it probably isn't given this year, he'll be a hot commodity for sure. Someone said Dragons are the current rumour, but who knows.

I reckon the kid Delavedova from Vic Country now at the AIS, is the one I would be chasing. Hes a perfect fit to be an impact NBL player. Not sure if he's got US college hopes or not but hes going to be a very good NBL player, and could contribute straight away.

[coach_rachael]

the tigers need a pg and a 4/5, not a 4/3. i'd assume thomas will be back, and if dillon is signed, and as good as advertised, then this could be dt's last year. i cant see how they could keep corletto as well as add two 10point players to the starting lineup.

also adding dillion and a stud pg to what they already have would create a massive log jam on the perimeter.

stud pg/ crosswell
barlow/dillon/corletto
thomas/gruyer

gruyere needs more minutes, crosswell should get around 20, and dillon is gonna command good minutes also.
factor in hoares minutes at sf and the few that dt would spend at pf and theres just not enough minutes to go around.

makes pefect sense to me that corletto doesnt return.

[rjd]

Signed:

10 Anstey
9 Hoare
8 Barlow
8 Crosswell
4 Greer
1 Sturt
? O'Hea (* not on the points list)
----
39 points (external)



Remaining: 29 points (including 2 import spots).

Free Agents:

10 Lampley
9 Thomas
6 Stiff
6 Corletto


Retired:
8 D-Mac


Total (external) 2008-09 points for 2007-08 roster = 79

Assuming this list is correct:
Signed: Chris ANSTEY, David BARLOW, Nathan CROSSWELL, Tom GREER, Stephen HOARE, Derrick McDONALD,, Matt O'HEA, Adrien STURT, Boden WESTOVER
Free Agents: Daryl CORLETTO, Sean LAMPLEY, David STIFF, Dave THOMAS

[Cussy]

http://www.aussiehoopsamerica.com/playe ... hnson.html (http://www.aussiehoopsamerica.com/players/danieljohnson.html)

[AngusH]

Is Johnson confirmed to the Tigers, or just a rumour? It will be a tough adjustment for the Tigers to fit a bigman in their system who takes a third of his shots from beyond the arc. ;)

Seriously though, he should be a good scorer at the NBL level, but I don't know about the rest of his game.

[Cussy]

It's something I heard from the small SBL circles.

He had 40 in a game on the weekend, but that was because his time were running the same play for him the entire second half, and the opposition were very slow in adjusting.

[Cram]

Signed:

10 Anstey
9 Hoare
8 Barlow
8 Crosswell
4 Greer
1 Sturt
? O'Hea (* not on the points list)
----
39 points (external)



Remaining: 29 points (including 2 import spots).

Free Agents:

10 Lampley
9 Thomas
6 Stiff
6 Corletto


Retired:
8 D-Mac


Total (external) 2008-09 points for 2007-08 roster = 79

Assuming this list is correct:
Signed: Chris ANSTEY, David BARLOW, Nathan CROSSWELL, Tom GREER, Stephen HOARE, Derrick McDONALD,, Matt O'HEA, Adrien STURT, Boden WESTOVER
Free Agents: Daryl CORLETTO, Sean LAMPLEY, David STIFF, Dave THOMAS

So DT (9), another import (10), Stiff (6) and a college rookie (3) would fit in comfortably.

DT, Anstey, Hoare, Crosswell, Stiff, Greer, Barlow, Sturt a college lad and an import would be a decent line up. Leaves Daz out though... :? The other option would be for Stiff to be gone and Daz in, with Sturt gettng more minutes up front, but that would leave us REAL thin there.

[Tigers_06-07]

Final Free Agent List:
Melbourne Tigers
Martin Muursepp
Dave Thomas
Darryl McDonald
David Stiff
Sean Lampley
Matt O’Hea
Boden Westover
Derrick McDonald

So if this list is correct then it appears that we have signed Darryl Corletto.

[Cram]

Does that dodgey situation still occur where if we sign DC by a certain time we get him for a 1?

[rjd]

Does that dodgey situation still occur where if we sign DC by a certain time we get him for a 1?

They should have closed that up. But he should still get a loyalty discount of some sort.

edit:
5 point cap is gone.
2 loyalty points if re signing with original club only.
1 point off for 5 yrs service
2 points off for 10 yrs service to one club.
No loyalty points to be transferred.

Going by curious's quote, he should get 2 points off. So it looks like Corletto will be a 4. That's alright.

[Stumps]

Does that dodgey situation still occur where if we sign DC by a certain time we get him for a 1?
My understanding is "no", even under the old rules, based on his current external rating. I would guess his internal rating will be 3 this season, if he is staying with the Tigers.

[curious]

The 2 point discount relates to re signing back on with the same original club.
I depends if Corletto was out of contract or not.

[Stumps]

Given the history with this player, I think it's safe to assume that it will be interpreted favourably to the Tigers :wink:

[inebriated]

I've heard Stacker is assistant at the Tigers

Good to see this level of expertise at an assistant level.

[Poida]

Well he lives in Melbourne now, so it would make sense.

[Lethal Vertical]

I hope not, Vince and Wazza doing just fine.

[singy]

Has D Mac received a reply from the Tigers yet about a coaching role?

[cammo]

As silly as some of the "<insert player here> was in this town" posts have been, I'm willing to contribute that Dusty was actually in Melbourne this weekend, and is flying out this morning. It'd be fuckin great if he came back to play in Melbourne :D

[angry ant]

The Tigers re-signed Darryl Corletto and signed Daniel Johnson-

http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=74716

[giantfan]

http://www.gaze.com.au/index.php?option ... 9&Itemid=2 (http://www.gaze.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1029&Itemid=2)

Appears Tigers have signed or will sign Grizzard and Hodge.

[havrilla the gorilla]

The Tigers re-signed Darryl Corletto and signed Daniel Johnson-

http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=74716


So that would mean David Stiff's Melboune Tigers career is over, or was he retiring anyway?

[singy]

[quote="angry ant":3fis42mo]The Tigers re-signed Darryl Corletto and signed Daniel Johnson-

http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=74716


So that would mean David Stiff's Melboune Tigers career is over, or was he retiring anyway?[/quote:3fis42mo]

Stiffy wanted one more season, but it doesn't appear that it will be at the Tigers now.

[Shannon Noll]

Crosswell
Hodge
Barlow
Mackinnon
Anstey

Grizzard
Hoare
DC
Greer
Johnson

“With Goorjian coming here he automatically brings success with him and it will be good, but it will just give us a better team to beat in Melbourne.”

TIGERS RE-LOADED.

[Poida]

That has Franny written all over it.

[Judge_Dredd]

That has Franny written all over it.

Wouldn't the nick be Shannon Moll then?

[Cram]

Ok, so Johnson comes in as a 1 coz he's only played 1 year of college..

What are the Tigers doing about the PG position though?

If we bring in Grizzard, plus Hodge (or keep DT) we have

PG Crosswell
SG DT (or Hodge) / Corletto / O'Hea
SF Barlow / Greer
PF Grizzard / Hoare
C Anstey / Johnson / Sturt

VERY thin at PG, and no points left to spend. interesting to see how this plays out. Especially with the Sam rumours. Are we trying to become the Atlanta Hawks?

[Lethal Vertical]

That has Franny written all over it.

Exactly what I thought, especially with Franny being a country bumpkin and all

[Voice(s)]

While it's physically evident that restraint is not a word in Seamus' vocabulary I would find it hard to imagine he would have the gall to suit up all of the players people are mentioning on here.

[Judge_Dredd]

While it's physically evident that restraint is not a word in Seamus' vocabulary I would find it hard to imagine he would have the gall to suit up all of the players people are mentioning on here.

Or the fabric.

[Julian]

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[j-mac]

http://www.gaze.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1029&Itemid=2

Appears Tigers have signed or will sign Grizzard and Hodge.

That would be so good. Not sure Hodge will be available will he? He's doing very well in D-League and could be on an NBA roster next season.
If it came down to a choice, I'd take Hodge over DT in an instant.

[j-mac]

Does Johnson count on the points cap as the young Australian player? And does it mean that Sturt is gone?

I'd be looking for a new development player to replace O'Hea. I thought he did alright earlier in the year when Greer was injured but not enough to warrant another year. I feel with D players, if they're going to be something long-term, you'd know it if he's had 3 years. I don't think O'Hea will amount to much in the NBL.
D-Mac Jr would be an option for the regular development spot, provided he applies himself better.

[singy]

If it came down to a choice, I'd take Hodge over DT in an instant.

:shock:

You are kidding right? In an "instant"?
DT almost single handedly won Game 2 against Brisbane for us, then was a massive factor in the whole Grand Final series, on both ends of the floor. Easily our best player behind Anstey.

Have you already forgotten the way we played this season with DT and without him? :?

[meg]

That has Franny written all over it.

Wouldn't the nick be Shannon Moll then?

Nah...that's Sharon Moll.

[Mr_Black]

I'd take Hodge over DT in an instant.

thank god youre not running the club then...

[ash_24]

I hope you guys would take DT because he plays a certain role better. Hodge was and would be the best player in the league.

[Tigers_06-07]

Tigers have signed Rod Grizzard for 3 years.
Link: http://www.theage.com.au/news/basketbal ... 92484.html (http://www.theage.com.au/news/basketball/tigers-tie-down-import-forward/2008/04/10/1207420592484.html)

[Da Houndawg #55]

[quote="Voice(s)":hut6zjfc]While it's physically evident that restraint is not a word in Seamus' vocabulary I would find it hard to imagine he would have the gall to suit up all of the players people are mentioning on here.

Or the fabric.[/quote:hut6zjfc]
Why?

He could just donate one of his own outfits... should be more than enough fabric for starting 5 singlets and shorts, possibly a 6th man's gear as well...

[Cram]

Tigers have signed Rod Grizzard for 3 years.
Link: http://www.theage.com.au/news/basketbal ... 92484.html (http://www.theage.com.au/news/basketball/tigers-tie-down-import-forward/2008/04/10/1207420592484.html)

3 year contract for an import is a long time. Hope he's worth it. I never actually saw the guy play.

The article goes on to talk about getting Hodge if we cant keep DT, as well as going after Sam Mack. No mention at all of a PG to replace Dmac. I'd be very concerned if Crosswell was the only PG on the roster going into the season. Even with his fine finish to the season, he's still a 20-30 minute per game man at best, so who plays the back up PG minutes? DC? Seem to have their priorities wrong.

[rjd]

Totally agree with Cram. I thought the Tigers were weak enough last season at the PG spot. What's going to happen next season?

Unless they've secured someone we don't know about (eg. Bruce), I don't know why the Tigers want to secure an import forward right now considering Mackinnon is a possibility, and there is already some depth at the forward spots. Again it seems Seamus is focusing on securing talent without thinking about team balance.

[curious]

Does Johnson count on the points cap as the young Australian player? And does it mean that Sturt is gone?
Yes and don't know.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Steve Nash is coming to town to play in the same state as his childhood idol did last year... They're talking him down to 4 points already... And claiming that South Africa is an extension of Western Australia (as Johannesburg was Nash's place of birth) so expect him to qualify as naturalised...

[Stumps]

3 year contract for an import is a long time. Hope he's worth it.
Don't worry, you signed Dench for three years too, remember?

[angry ant]

I'm a little suprised by the signing. Although there were rumors I thought they would re-sign DT and maybe even Lampley...

[LegoSHAQ]

I think Grizzard is a great signing. Top Ten in the league in Efficiency.. Interesting he was happy to sign with no out clause.. so he will be around for the long haul.. I like it! Reminds me of when the TIgers made the great move of signing DT for the long haul..

It's great that Semus is hopefull of persuading DT to come back .. but I think we should let him go and look at signing a Dontaye Draper.. or dare I say it.. A Jason Crowe.. :)

[Da Houndawg #55]

A healthy Dave Thomas is leaps and bounds better than Grizzard.

Hell I'd take the unhealthy one above him (with the thought that he might get back to health) but I wouldn't sign either one for 3 years.

I'm trying to figure out why they grabbed Grizzard, honestly... They have Barlow.

Personally, I'd have re-loaded with a point guard and DT.

Are they chasing CJ?

Has Melbourne actually seen Rod Grizzard play before?

[Sachmo]

Are they looking at Barlow as the primary backup ball handler, he was used in that role at times last year wasn't he?

If they do manage to sign MacKinnon as well, does Barlow start at the 2 guard position?

Wouldn't surprise me, the Tigers always seem to have a bloody massive lineup!

[angry ant]

I'm trying to figure out why they grabbed Grizzard, honestly... They have Barlow.

“Grizzard is similar to a (David) Barlow type player, very versatile and those are the type of players we look to get, so I think he can play a variety of positions for us.” Don't think Al cares...

[Da Houndawg #55]

Lets look at it this way...

If the season starts tomorrow, the Tigers will go in with:
1. Nathan Crosswell as starting point guard... and Darryl Corletto as sole back-up.
2. Downgrading in terms of perimeter defence by going from Dave Thomas ...to about the only player in the league which Mike Chappell managed to light-up before getting cut for not being healthy.
3. Their only effective post presence (barring when Barlow or Grizzard have fairly hefty mismatches - which I suppose is quite often in terms of Barlow) as a guy who would prefer to play 20+ feet from the basket.

I'd start Hoare over Barlow at the 4. Maybe they could play Grizzard at the 3, then they need a point guard who can push the ball up the floor to Barlow and Grizzard running the lanes.

[Stumps]

I wonder if the fact that Grizzard is only a 9 (obviously he's not up to the lofty 10-point standards of Martin Muursepp, Jared Newson and Angelo Reyes) impacted this move.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Gah! Meant Hoare over Grizzard at 4... although the differences are slim.

And that being said, Stumps. In terms of overall production the numbers won't lie to you. But I saw Jared Newson at the tail end of the season when he'd had time to find his feet and he looked pretty nice.

Showed glimpses of possibly being similar to a Dwyane Wade if given time and a situation that fits.

[Shannon Noll]

Maybe they could play Grizzard at the 3, then they need a point guard who can push the ball up the floor to Barlow and Grizzard running the lanes.

Don't panic, boys. After my conversation with Mr Gaze last week, we've likely got back-up coming in the guard department.

GO THE GRIZZ!!

[Da Houndawg #55]

Considering Nathan Croswell would currently be your starting point guard I'd suggest that more than "back-up" would be nice.

[Lethal Vertical]

Hmmm... The above listed concerns are pressing. I wouldn't think it'd make sense getting DT back now- Then we'd have Barlow, DT and Grizzard, a bit stacked at the wing spot but undermanned at the point. I hope we can notch an import point man - or combo guard, and then sign someone like Motts as an extra big. Although, mackinnon can play the 4 if we signed him.

Is Stiff's departure confirmed?

As much as people didnt like Lampley, he was predominantly a low block player on offense. We need someone like that alongside Anstey.

[Tigers_06-07]

You would have to think that Stiffy wont be back. If we sign Sam Mack then surely we wouldn't go for DT or Hodge. Who are you suggesting SN we are after as a guard? Maybe Gibson or Bruce (Aussies) or Crowe/Draper (Imports)?

[lukus13]

Perhaps Westover is planning to split the pg time between crosswell and barlow?? He showed early on this season that he thought barlow could play the point.

Personally i think it would be a mistake to go down this road, but that may be his line of thought.

[metalslugsman]

http://www.gaze.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1029&Itemid=2

Appears Tigers have signed or will sign Grizzard and Hodge.

That would be so good. Not sure Hodge will be available will he? He's doing very well in D-League and could be on an NBA roster next season.
If it came down to a choice, I'd take Hodge over DT in an instant.why would you take Hodge first? good slasher, but DT brings a more complete game at both ends of the floor

[Mr_Black]

Has Melbourne actually seen Rod Grizzard play before?

I have, and he was incredibly impressive. Im huge on the guy.

[Tigers_06-07]

Isn't the point as well that we got Grizzard to replace Lampley not DT. Hodge is the player mooted as a replacement for DT. I would much rather have Grizzard than Lampley. Hodge I am less confident about as he has no jumpshot whatsoever.

[havrilla the gorilla]

Grizzard is a really strange signing IMO. I just can't see him fitting in to the system. Coming from the Slingers is one thing where you can be a major focal point of the offence, but to the Tigers who are ten deep?

Sure the guy has skills, but the games I witnessed his jumper was really inconsistent and he was very erratic especially on offence. The Tigers are obviously confident that they have sufficient talent, so Grizzard will not be under the same pressure to perform like he was in Singapore, but he doesn't have the versatility or defensive skills of a DT and the tough low post game of a Lampley.

It may succeed but I'm sure there was a better fit out there...

[AngusH]

Melbourne's going to need a few basketballs next season, me thinks.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Well, I don't agree that they couldn't fit him in at all...

He reminds me a lot of Kevin Brooks, has a few moves that let him hoist a shot off and is a pretty nice athlete. But he's not a great post presence (Adelaide had Cat when we had Brooks, bear in mind...). He's a pretty poor defender.

They could fit him in... its just a question of how successful the system that fits him in will be (that being said, we'll likely see the bottom falling out of Brisbane and the Kings should be worse next year than this one).

[jesuc jexus]

top 20 in fouls? awesome.

[havrilla the gorilla]

we'll likely see the bottom falling out of Brisbane and the Kings should be worse next year than this one.

That remains to be seen - don't get too cocky, particularly on the Bullets front. Don't get me wrong - of course I would rather be in your shoes as a fan but plenty of "all-star" teams have looked great as a forecast for the next season and it just hasn't played out that way. Be careful about making bold statements, particularly at the expense of other clubs.

[Da Houndawg #55]

There is a fair bit of assumption in that statement, I admit.

But that assumption's coming from the basis that I know there's quite a few players who only went there because that's where the money is...

Now, to some degree, that money is going to start to dry up.

And with the knowledge of some of the help that my team has had in charitable financial aid from your mob... I don't know how much more you would rather be in my shoes... :wink:

[j-mac]

http://www.gaze.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1029&Itemid=2

Appears Tigers have signed or will sign Grizzard and Hodge.

That would be so good. Not sure Hodge will be available will he? He's doing very well in D-League and could be on an NBA roster next season.
If it came down to a choice, I'd take Hodge over DT in an instant.why would you take Hodge first? good slasher, but DT brings a more complete game at both ends of the floor

Hodge has a far more all-round game - points, rebounds and assists. And his D must be alright, he kept Bryant to 8 points in one of his last games for Denver.

If we get Hodge, I don't reckon we should bother with another point guard, let Hodge and Barlow run the point with Crosswell off the bench.
I don't think we should wait for him though. By the time he goes through summer league and training camp, he still may not know whether he'll be on an NBA roster and our season will have started. We might be better off going for an import point guard (Homicide/Draper) who we could sign NOW. If we wait for Hodge and he doesn't come, we'll be scraping the bottom of the barell like when Lampley didn't turn up at the start of this season.
How good would this 5 be: Anstey, MacKinnon, Grizzard, Barlow, Hodge/Homicide!
Having said that, if all else fails I reckon we get back Rashad Tucker. I doubt any teams want him, so he shouldn't complain coming off the bench (if we don't get Mac, he could start) and he can play all the positions from PG to PF and has a pretty good post game.

[j-mac]

Also on Hodge not returning to Australia, I think even if he isn't on an NBA roster at the start of their season, I think he would prefer to remain in D-League, where the talent level is a little higher, the money comparable, he's in his home country with friends and family and he is so close to an NBA call-up. How many players get the call-up from the NBL mid-season?

[LegoSHAQ]

top 20 in fouls? awesome.
Yep.. this is awesome. It indicates he actually plays defence. Look at the guys above him.. Shawn Redhage, Adam Gibson, Chris Anstey, Mika Vukona, Dillon Boucher, Mark Worthington, C.J. Bruton, Jason Smith .. all great on the defensive end.. he only averaged 3.26 fouls a game.. thats fine.. whats the problem? He is no Galen Young..


Sure the guy has skills, but the games I witnessed his jumper was really inconsistent and he was very erratic especially on offence.
Well those games must have been very off games.. they guy is top 10 in effeciency which doesn't suggest a incosistent or erratic player.. as for his jumper.. he averaged 47.5% from the field.. thats pretty good .. lets look at the players that shot similar percentages to Grizzard..

Query: "Players that shot around 47.5% last season"
Result:
Chris Anstey 47.8%
Ebi Ere 47.7%
Anthony Petrie 47.7%
Rod Grizzard 47.5%
Russell Hinder 47.4%
Mark Worthington 47.3%
Craig Bradshaw 47.3%
Brett Maher 47.2%

I wouldn't label any of those players as having a jumper that was "really inconsistent"... :?

[swissboy]

I think Grizzard is a great signing for the Tigers.. Watched alot of Games in Singapore where the Slingers relied on Grizzly to make big plays down the strech and most of the time he rose to the challange... :) .. Dont know how well he may fit into the Tigers offense/defense schemes but he is someone you can rely on to score if needed

[singy]

Spoke to Vince Crivelli at the Big V today (ex Tigers assistant coach who is head coach of the undefeated Sandringham in the Big V), he said it was his decision not to return next season due to some work commitments. He will be a spectator with the rest of us at The Cage, and he seemed to think the Ian Stacker appointment was a great move.

Daniel Johnson played in both Big V games this weekend for the Tigers and was quite impressive first up. He managed 16 points, 8 boards in his first game, then followed up today with 33 points & 12 boards against some pretty good opposition. He could get a bit more aggressive on the boards, but other than that, I was happy with what I saw.

[Dunkin' Dan]

Glad to hear it.
Here in the WA SBL he scored something like 39 in week 1. I went along to his next game (his last before heading east) to check him out for myself, and he was awful - throwing up truckloads of garbage and displaying a pretty poor attitude on the court to go with it.

[curious]

Mackinnon deal is allegedly done for him to be a Tiger, unless the Bullets manage to survive with a semblence of a team apparently.

[jesuc jexus]

top 20 in fouls? awesome.
Yep.. this is awesome. It indicates he actually plays defence. Look at the guys above him.. Shawn Redhage, Adam Gibson, Chris Anstey, Mika Vukona, Dillon Boucher, Mark Worthington, C.J. Bruton, Jason Smith .. all great on the defensive end.. he only averaged 3.26 fouls a game.. thats fine.. whats the problem? He is no Galen Young..

i was being critical of the author, not the player. anyway, i stand corrected.

[curious]

Where is Stiff going?

[jesuc jexus]

uranus.

[meg]

[quote="Da Houndawg #55":2r6m6pfc]
Has Melbourne actually seen Rod Grizzard play before?

I have, and he was incredibly impressive. Im huge on the guy.[/quote:2r6m6pfc]

Ewwww!! Too much information!!

[AngusH]

So, Grizzard and Mackinnon to get added to the already stacked lineup. Well, should be a fun battle for second place over the coming years, until the Tigers run in to the same problems the Kings and Bullets have.

[jesuc jexus]

can we get a points cap break down on that line-up, somebody?

[Stumps]

∞

[cammo]

:lol: @ points cap.

[jesuc jexus]

lalzies. gaze to copeland.

[curious]

∞
Depends if DT returns or not.

[Silencer83]

can we get a points cap break down on that line-up, somebody?

Anstey - 10
Mackinnon - 10
Grizzard - 9
Barlow - 7?
Import - 10 or Thomas - 9

Crosswell - 7?
DC - 4?
Greer - 1
Hoare - 8? 6?
Johnson - 3

Total = 66 - 69

[AngusH]

How about a salary break down? I'll give NASA a call and see if we can't borrow one of their computers to tally up the sums.

[curious]

Try this.

Anstey - 10
Grizzard - 9
Hoare - 8
Barlow - 8
Mackinnon - 10
DC - 3
Greer - 1
Crosswell - 7
Johnson - 3
Import - 10 or Thomas - 9
Sturt - 1

Total = 69 - 70

[Cram]

Try this.

Anstey - 10
Grizzard - 9
Hoare - 8
Barlow - 8
Mackinnon - 10
DC - 3
Greer - 1
Crosswell - 7
Johnson - 3
Import - 10 or Thomas - 9
Sturt - 1

Total = 69 - 70

Would Johnson not be a 1 seeing as he hasnt had 'at least 2 years' playing college ball, and thus just a regular rookie? Thats how i read that rule.

Edit: Also, is Sturt actually a fully contractd player, or just a Dev player and therefore outside of the cap?

[lukus13]

Try this.

Anstey - 10
Grizzard - 9
Hoare - 8
Barlow - 8
Mackinnon - 10
DC - 3
Greer - 1
Crosswell - 7
Johnson - 3
Import - 10 or Thomas - 9
Sturt - 1

Total = 69 - 70

Anstey - $250k
Grizzard - $200k
Hoare - $125k
Barlow - $150k
Mackinnon - $300k
DC - $100k
Greer - $75k
Crosswell - $100k
Johnson - $50k
Import/Thomas - $200k
Sturt - $30k

Total - $1,580,000 roughly :roll:

[Stumps]

As much as I love to savage the Tigers when they deserve it ... McPeake may like winning at all costs but he's not the type to set money on fire just because it's there -- why would he be paying six figures to DC and NC?

[curious]

Take off the $80k and make it $1.5mill.
Tell Johnson he's a dev player too. ;)

[lukus13]

As much as I love to savage the Tigers when they deserve it ... McPeake may like winning at all costs but he's not the type to set money on fire just because it's there -- why would he be paying six figures to DC and NC?

Might have been a little generous to Corletto, trim him down to $75-80k. I will stick with my estimate for Crosswell though, starting (and possibly the only) point guard, coming off a good season etc.

[Cram]

As much as I love to savage the Tigers when they deserve it ... McPeake may like winning at all costs but he's not the type to set money on fire just because it's there -- why would he be paying six figures to DC and NC?

Might have been a little generous to Corletto, trim him down to $75-80k. I will stick with my estimate for Crosswell though, starting (and possibly the only) point guard, coming off a good season etc.

Wasnt he already under contract and thus on the deal he got when he came from Cairns and nobody else wanted him?

I'd be very surprised if DC, Crosswell and Greer are on much more than 100k combined.

[kc4mvp]

How about this for a picture

Name ...................... Signed EXT INT "Team
Pts"
CHRIS ANSTEY ......... Yes ...10 ... - ... 10
DAVID BARLOW ........ Yes .. 8 ... - ...... 8
DARYL CORLETTO ..... Yes ... 6 ... 1 ..... 1
NATHAN CROSSWELL Yes ... 8 ... - ...... 8
TOM GREER .............. Yes ... 4 ... - ..... 4
ROD GRIZZARD ......... Yes ... 9 ... - ..... 9
STEPHEN HOARE ......... Yes ... 9 ... 8 ..... 8
ADRIEN STURT ............. Yes ... 1 ... - ...... 1
...........................Team Pts ... 55 ... - ..... 49
...........................Available ... 13 ... - ..... 19

Sam Mckinnon ...................... 10 ... - ...... 10
Leaves .................................. 9 ... - ...... 9Pts to sign an import?

Above assumes Ext rating is the above and that you get McKinnon & don't get a pts change.

[DICKO]

Since we're LOL'ing.

:lol: at the dude with the Taipans Avatar :roll: ing at the Tigers Cap.

And, yes, I realise the irony of a Dragons fan making a comment, althoguh I don't think we're quite in that ballpark yet.

[Stumps]

How can Corletto be a 1?

[Shannon Noll]

9Pts to sign an import?

Above assumes Ext rating is the above and that you get McKinnon & don't get a pts change.

Hodge. We'll have the points, don't worry 'bout that.

[Cram]

We already know those points are wrong (Curious' ones are more on the money), so I dont think ya need to worry about it. Corletto isnt a 1.

I hope Brisbane survives and Mack stays there, and the Tigers add an import PG and maybe a college fella.

[kc4mvp]

How can Corletto be a 1?

This is why I think he will be a 1, he will get put back to a 5 upon request to fit in this rule. Ala Previous tiger shuffle. Don't mind the pun.

Note
5. Players rated between 1 and 5 externally at the conclusion of the season may retain their ‘original rating’ (i.e. the rating they had when they signed their first NBL contract) provided they re-sign with their original club before a nominated cut-off date each year. The nominated cut-off date for the 2008/09 season shall be (26 March 2008.)?

Not too sure of that cutoff date?

[Stumps]

This is why I think ia a 1, he will get put back to a 5 upon request to fit in this rule. Ala Previous tiger shuffle. Don't mind the pun.

Note
5. Players rated between 1 and 5 externally at the conclusion of the season may retain their ‘original rating’ (i.e. the rating they had when they signed their first NBL contract) provided they re-sign with their original club before a nominated cut-off date each year. The nominated cut-off date for the 2008/09 season shall be (26 March 2008.)?

Not too sure of that cutoff date?
That rule is gone, and it's too late for him to be re-rated in any event.

[Cram]

I doubt that will happen.

[Mr_Black]

[quote="Da Houndawg #55":3jdm6gyk]
Has Melbourne actually seen Rod Grizzard play before?

I have, and he was incredibly impressive. Im huge on the guy.

Ewwww!! Too much information!![/quote:3jdm6gyk]

http://logo.cafepress.com/nocache/7/4992749.2915987.jpg

[inebriated]

I keep tellin ya - SMck is gonna be a cat with stripes

[Judge_Dredd]

Geelong?

[meg]

9Pts to sign an import?

Above assumes Ext rating is the above and that you get McKinnon & don't get a pts change.

Hodge. We'll have the points, don't worry 'bout that.

Where is Seamus going to find them? Down the back of the couch?

[gra]

No disrespect to Sammy but given the recent history of serious injuries do you think he can still command the Top $$ and still be a 10 point player?

Agree DC, NC and Greer are on no where near that money.

Doubt you can Sammy 50K above Anstey and $100 above DT or similar import. Not happeneing.

Not convinced Hoare would be getting $125k either.

No one really knows, but I think we need to keep in mind that there are very few teams in the finiancial position to offer the big $.

We need to realise that the thing about the coming season with most teams short of cash and the league generally struggling to get coverage, sponsorship etc, is that I think it is a real buyers market out there.

The points cap may actually become definitive as there is less teams who you can play off against eachother demanding big $.

"Give me the big money or I'll go to.........hmmm...........hang on........what was the offer again"


There may be a few big teams up there but I think it will be a generally austere season.

[DoubleA]

Im not that sold on Sammy Mac, how will this knee injury affect him? Its a huge question mark if we were to spend 10 points and x amount of dollars on him.

[Stumps]

We need to realise that the thing about the coming season with most teams short of cash and the league generally struggling to get coverage, sponsorship etc, is that I think it is a real buyers market out there.
And to the people who questioned me for putting the lion's share of the blame for salaries spiralling out of control on Groves and the Bullets ... is it a coincidence that the salary boom just happened to coincide with Brisbane's spending extravaganza and died just as quickly the very second they lost that financial clout?

[scooterrich]

We need to realise that the thing about the coming season with most teams short of cash and the league generally struggling to get coverage, sponsorship etc, is that I think it is a real buyers market out there.
And to the people who questioned me for putting the lion's share of the blame for salaries spiralling out of control on Groves and the Bullets ... is it a coincidence that the salary boom just happened to coincide with Brisbane's spending extravaganza and died just as quickly the very second they lost that financial clout?

Sorry Stumps, gotta disagree with you on this one and I think I hear the sound of a dead horse being flogged again. Can't resist the chance to stick the boot into Eddy one more time hey?

You have constantly failed in this debate to acknowledge the inflationary spiral on salaries by having the Breakers come into the league a few seasons ago, closely followed by the Dragons, and the fact that Sydney led the way in ridiculously stacked teams more than 10 years ago, and then Melbourne did the same, and then the Bullets copied what is/was no doubt a dubious practice and one that not always got results but they did anyway (and they did anyway). And then what about Cairns? Or were they all just following the Bullets bad example?

Have a look at the Bullets rosters over the years that Eddy owned the team, with both your eyes open. The teams were junk over the first few years - one wooden spoon and almost another apart from an even more horrible Cannons team of 2000/2001 season? (still managed to beat the Kings that year though!, as they did in the 2002/3 wooden spoon season - loved it!) The stacked teams have only occurred in the last 3 years (out of 9 or 10), when Sam/Bradtke/Copeland et al arrived. From the 2003/4 season with Rucker/Black/Castle/Freeman/Brannen etc teams these were well assembled but hardly stacked teams - they recruited Paul Rees for Pete's sake.

Doesn't Sydney have a bit of a cash flow crisis at the moment that has seen it stop spending money? And how much are they paying Glen Saville again, on a contract just on 12 months old? You can't keep blaming the Bullets and Eddy for everything, mate. It wasn't just them spending.

Surely the Tigers are still spending money if the last few days moves show anything? There will be an auction on players and salaries if there is more than one frenzied bidder; if there is only one then there will be only one ridiculously stacked team rather than a few.

Anyway, let's see what happens with the Bullets' new owners and how "cashed up" they are. Interesting times ahead.

[Stumps]

You have constantly failed in this debate to acknowledge the inflationary spiral on salaries by having the Breakers come into the league a few seasons ago, closely followed by the Dragons, and the fact that Sydney led the way in ridiculously stacked teams more than 10 years ago
I guess that would be because none of those teams (a) triggered an "inflationary spiral" (tell me when it happened); and (b) none of those teams had any success (nobody felt the need to "match" them).

And then what about Cairns? Or were they all just following the Bullets bad example?
Well, Cairns certainly were. Having some chronology problems, are you?

Have a look at the Bullets rosters over the years that Eddy owned the team, with both your eyes open. The teams were junk over the first few years - one wooden spoon and almost another apart from an even more horrible Cannons team of 2000/2001 season?
Now, you have a look at what I actually wrote "with both your eyes open". Did I say the problem arose when Groves took over the team? No, of course not. It was when he said "fuck this, I don't have time to sit around and build a team the traditional way, I'm just going to get the best players money can buy regardless of what it costs". That didn't work the first season, so he spent even more then next year, until finally they managed to spend so much it would have been impossible not to pull it off.

(still managed to beat the Kings that year though!, as they did in the 2002/3 wooden spoon season - loved it!)
Yep, I'm the one with the biased obsession ...

The stacked teams have only occurred in the last 3 years (out of 9 or 10), when Sam/Bradtke/Copeland et al arrived.
Yes, I know. Funnily enough, that's when wages have blown out of control, peaking last offseason when the top tier teams raced out to try to put together a Bullet-killing lineup paying Abneys, Savilles, Hoares et al two to three times what they would have got a couple of years earlier.

Doesn't Sydney have a bit of a cash flow crisis at the moment that has seen it stop spending money? And how much are they paying Glen Saville again, on a contract just on 12 months old? You can't keep blaming the Bullets and Eddy for everything, mate. It wasn't just them spending.
You're just not understanding a thing I'm saying. Who do you think was driving up Saville's price? Do you think he could have asked for $300k+ if he was a free agent this offseason? The market has shifted suddenly -- are you seriously suggesting it's just a coincidence that that has happened precisely when Groves left the picture?

Surely the Tigers are still spending money if the last few days moves show anything?
Why, do we know anything about how much they're actually having to pay? As gra said, it's a buyers' market -- players are scrambling to find teams lest they be left out in the cold, because there's no longer a gorilla willing to spend three times the salary cap and drive the market far beyond what is sustainable.

[scooterrich]

Oh Stumps, I throw in those references to the Bullets beating the Kings all those years ago (particularly the wooden spoon season) to get precisely that reaction from you. I am not sure about you but I like it when my team beats another team, and it is even better when that team is a major rival. You are very predictable and I thank you for that.

So the Tigers are paying within the salary cap now? That is quite the admission from you, and seems to go against what you have gone on about for the last, I don't know, for ever? And they have had more dubious success than the Bullets now, haven't they? Would Cairns be trying to 'match' the Tigers too?

Wasn't it well known last year that Saville wouldn't leave the Sydney region because of his wife's business? So the Kings blew that money for no great reason. Not very smart.

[Mr T]

I'm only reading that quickly but it made absolutely no sense at all!

[scooterrich]

I'm only reading that quickly but it made absolutely no sense at all!

Well, it is late, and it was typed in a dark room with one hand and nursing a sleeping baby, but it makes sense to me!

[Judge_Dredd]

I'm only reading that quickly but it made absolutely no sense at all!

Well, it is late, and it was typed in a dark room with one hand and nursing a sleeping baby, but it makes sense to me!

"nursing a sleeping baby"? Is that what it's called these days? Back in the day it was spanking the monkey ... :wink:

[scooterrich]

Yeah, that is very funny, but I was nursing my sleeping baby daughter. Wanna make another sleazy joke at her expense?

[Judge_Dredd]

It was entirely at your expense - and obviously in jest.

[kc4mvp]

This is why I think ia a 1, he will get put back to a 5 upon request to fit in this rule. Ala Previous tiger shuffle. Don't mind the pun.

Note
5. Players rated between 1 and 5 externally at the conclusion of the season may retain their ‘original rating’ (i.e. the rating they had when they signed their first NBL contract) provided they re-sign with their original club before a nominated cut-off date each year. The nominated cut-off date for the 2008/09 season shall be (26 March 2008.)?

Not too sure of that cutoff date?
That rule is gone, and it's too late for him to be re-rated in any event.
never say never

[rjd]

Stumps has some points, but I have to agree mostly with scooterrich.

I made these very same arguments about salaries when Stumps first blamed Groves et al for the spiraling salary. I pointed out that there were many other contributing factors. In previous off-seasons we had the effects of league expansion (which opened up the total salary available to the league, which was mainly absorbed by the few quality free-agents), salary cap increases, along with no reduction in points cap and points cap loop-holes still in place, all resulting in very high salaries to the free-agents.

It was simple economics. It just happened that we had a few rich owners to push the price up even more. I even predicted that the salaries would fall and stablise to more reasonable levels after that first shock to the system, without the extra cap space for the FAs to absorb. They have. I'm good. ;) :P

Nah, I think both sides are right in this argument. Rich owners contributed to it, but there were also other factors pushing salaries up.

[curious]

How can Corletto be a 1?
This is why I think he will be a 1, he will get put back to a 5 upon request to fit in this rule. Ala Previous tiger shuffle. Don't mind the pun.
Note
5. Players rated between 1 and 5 externally at the conclusion of the season may retain their ‘original rating’ (i.e. the rating they had when they signed their first NBL contract) provided they re-sign with their original club before a nominated cut-off date each year. The nominated cut-off date for the 2008/09 season shall be (26 March 2008.)?
Not too sure of that cutoff date?
You can't use last seasons rules. They no longer apply.
Unfortunately the new rules haven't been published yet.
Internally Corleto is a 3.

The other thing I find interesting is that the Tigers have nominated Johnston as their YAP player.
"New recruit Daniel Johnson returns to Australia to join the Tigers team as their ‘Young Australian Player’
If that is the case they may well be over the points cap.

[Cram]

The other thing I find interesting is that the Tigers have nominated Johnston as their YAP player.
"New recruit Daniel Johnson returns to Australia to join the Tigers team as their ‘Young Australian Player’
If that is the case they may well be over the points cap.

Can you explain how? How does being the YAP player affect this?

I'll ask the question again, would he not be only a 1 as any other rookie since he didnt play 2 years at college?

[curious]

He was an AIS scholarship holder for 2 seasons making him a 3 point player.
His 'college' career is essentially non existent and irelevant in this case as he didnt stay long.

[Stumps]

Oh Stumps, I throw in those references to the Bullets beating the Kings all those years ago (particularly the wooden spoon season) to get precisely that reaction from you.
What, you like to be ridiculed? OK ...

So the Tigers are paying within the salary cap now? That is quite the admission from you
It is? When you find it, do be sure to let me know.

And they have had more dubious success than the Bullets now, haven't they?
Silly me. Here I was thinking that I was making a point about how the removal of EG from the league deflated the salary explosion he drove up, but apparently I was unwittingly engaged in a "who has had the most dubious success?" dick-measuring contest.

Wasn't it well known last year that Saville wouldn't leave the Sydney region because of his wife's business? So the Kings blew that money for no great reason. Not very smart.
So apparently even you see how ridiculous your "Eddie had nothing to do with it!" argument is. Yes, the Kings paid him twice his market value because they felt like being nice blokes.

[Cram]

He was an AIS scholarship holder for 2 seasons making him a 3 point player.
His 'college' career is essentially non existent and irelevant in this case as he didnt stay long.

Ok, I didnt know that was a rule. Cheers.

You still havent explained why having him as their YAP would put them over the cap though.

[curious]

Look at the previous list of point that people have suggeted may apply to the Tigers.
I am sure Seamus considers Johnston to be a 1 point player. If that's the case there isnt a problem.
Johnson however has been a previous scholarship holder and if he never went to college he would be a 3 poojt player.
The fact he went to college momentarily should not make him a 1 point player as a result.
Let's see how the NBL handle this one.

[Stumps]

It wouldn't be an NBL season without Seamus trying to fuck the points system up the arse somehow.

[Cram]

So the YAP has to be a 1 point player is that correct? Sorry I dont know anything about this rule. Hence the reason I was asking for some clarrification.

[curious]

Why is Seamus allowed to be on the Points panel at all?

[Cram]

It wouldn't be an NBL season without Seamus trying to (Extremely Naughty Word!) the points system up the arse somehow.

Or you right there ready to hang him before any details actually come out :wink:

[Poida]

So if Johnson is the YAP, does that mean Sturt has been downgraded to a development player??

[Cram]

Wasnt he that already? Man I'm confused! Can someone explain to me the whole deal of the YAP?

[curious]

So if Johnson is the YAP, does that mean Sturt has been downgraded to a development player??
Yep. But a 3 point YAP player won't fit.

[Silencer83]

Tom Garlepp was YAP for the Wildcats last year whilst being a development player so I don't think status of full roster spot or development player counts towards their eligibility.

[Silencer83]

He was an AIS scholarship holder for 2 seasons making him a 3 point player.
His 'college' career is essentially non existent and irelevant in this case as he didnt stay long.

So why was Joe Ingles not a 3 pt player or did he only do one year of AIS?

[curious]

The new (unpublished) rules have changed. Making things that were once OK, now not.

[Silencer83]

Gotcha... with the amount of rules that have been changed you would think they would publish them :P

[Stumps]

I'm not even sure that they've been finalised yet.

[Silencer83]

Which could explain the delay in having them published :)

[curious]

I'm not even sure that they've been finalised yet.
I suspect however that it might have been already imlpemented.

[fan since the old snakepit]

I have it on good authority that they will be published as soon as Seamus has checked that his roster can fit within the points cap.

[LegoSHAQ]

I dunno if getting Johnson as the YAP was the best move.. a player like Luke Cooper as the YAP would have brought better balance to the roster... I dunno.. I hope Seamus has a PG solution up his sleave..

[WHIPS]

Julius Hodge is apparently on "stand-by" while DT decides on his future with the club..Are Adelaide (or any other club in need of a SG/SF for that matter) not pursuing Hodge or have the Tigers offered an amount once again too significant to match?

[jonno]

The 36ers are still after Hodge, ninnis constantly says he is a priority, they are waiting to see what happens with the NBA, id say the Tigers would be in a similar situation regarding Hodge.
If the Tigers sign Dave Thomas as there import who is going to start PG for them??? thats one flaw i see in the tigers roster which may work against them, i guess they would be planning to play Pg by comittee and having Thomas, Mackinnon, Barlow all share the ball carrying duties with Crosswell playin 20-30 mpg off the bench, could work but yea i think the tigers would have been better off going for a Pg like homocide than signing both Gizzard and Thomas, both are great players but not Pg's, i guess if you get Hodge he showed he is capable of running the PG spot so that would solve your problem, as id have no problem if Hodge was playing PG for the 36ers next season! heres hoping we out bid the Tigers for him!

[curious]

Tigers still wheeling and dealing and still want McKinnon.
Unlike the Breakers who may have been caught poaching Boucher and CJ, the Tigers haven't announced their 3 year deal with McKinnon.
Details here.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ ... 14,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23620510-10914,00.html)

[Mr_Black]

Tigers still wheeling and dealing and still want McKinnon.
Unlike the Breakers who may have been caught poaching Boucher and CJ, the Tigers haven't announced their 3 year deal with McKinnon.
Details here.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ ... 14,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23620510-10914,00.html)

did that article imply that Barlow would be the starting point guard :shock: :?: :!:

[Stumps]

No, Chris Anstey has put up his hand and declared he will play point guard this season.

[Lethal Vertical]

I like Hodge more than DT as a fit wit the current signings, because Hodge is capable of running the point better than either DT/Barlow. Last year we used Crosswell and Dmac about half the game each, and this time we can use Hodge/Crosswell in a similar way.

Starting 5:

Anstey
Mackinnon?
Grizz
Barlow
Hodge

Crosswell
DC
Hoare

When Crosswell subs in for Grizzard/Barlow, shift Hodge to the wing spot. Easy. I think that PG rotation could work out well.

My biggest concern if we sign Sam Mac is that we dont have a real low post presence. Sam can play there but his ideal spot, naturally is still the 3. He played 4 in his MVP season, but he was playing alongside Bradtke- a muscle man who stays in the paint- the opposite type of Centre to Anstey. And the way the Bullets played that season was outside based, running, pressing small ball, nothing like the way the Tigers do things with Anstey. Would Mackinnon work alongside Anstey? Anstey seemed to do well with Lampley playing in the low block and Mottram back in 06, would Mackinnon complement him as well as those guys?

[AngusH]

If that's the starting 5 I press and trap the Tigers after every inbound.

[Tigers_06-07]

I think Mackinnon is good enough to modify his game to suit the Tigers style. I think he can work with Anstey very well. Sam doesn't have as good a low post game as Lampley but he isn't too shabby either. I agree that Hodge would be a better fit as he is a better ball handler than DT. Barlow wouldn't be good enough as a permanent PG option but he is more than capable of helping as he did last season.

[Shannon Noll]

Hodge.

[havrilla the gorilla]

Don't mean to rain on your parade Tigers fans, but there must be serious doubt that Mackinnon will be able to produce even half of the output of his MVP season. Wright claimed that Mackinnon didn't inform him of the status of his knee before he left, and with his blood clot scare he will lose further ground with fitness after sitting out the last part of the season.

I believe he is a huge risk and a potential liability to the way the Tigers play. Age is against him, and it sounds like that knee will never be the same again(it is the same knee that kept him out of Basketball for all of that time a few seasons back) so I seriously doubt he will suit up for every game and be able to contribute minutes wise to a large extent. He was playing more than 35 minutes most games with Brisbane before the knee went on him.

I think the Tigers will have to recruit and structure the team with this in mind. For the money he was asking for the body he has on him you can keep him. :P

[j-mac]

H the G makes a very good point and I'm a bit worried about that. Is Mackinnon going to be worth the money and 10 points?
On having no post player - get Anstey to post up. He is almost unstoppable when he gets in there, either scoring, getting fouled or giving an assist out of the double team nearly every time he's in there. Main problem is he is rarely in there these days.

I agree with LV that Hodge would fit better because he can play the point. The other thing we should consider is that if we wait to long for DT and he stays with his current position of not returning, Hodge may have signed elsewhere be then and no-one good can be called up quickly enough and we're stuck with Muursepp again. At least when he was fit he had good post game.

[curious]

There is doubt that McKinon may be able to play again. if not at the least a long time.

[rjd]

Whatever happened to Lampley's two year contract? Was that mutually terminated?

The Tigers need a point, or at least someone who can bring the ball up. Crosswell -- probably the worst championship winning starting PG in decades -- was lucky to have a veteran like D-mac to back him up last season. There's a good reason why a strong PG presence is the common denominator for all previous championship-winning teams.

They may already be considered to be outright favourites around here, but as it stands now, the team balance is way off. They are well and truly beatable. People love to look at pure talent pre-season, but the more considered observers know that there's way more to it than that. Crosswell, and a makeshift backup PG, will be exposed badly next season.

[DoubleA]

Whatever happened to Lampley's two year contract? Was that mutually terminated?

Whatever happened to an NBL contract...hmm where do we begin?

[Lethal Vertical]

Whatever happened to Lampley's two year contract? Was that mutually terminated?

The Tigers need a point, or at least someone who can bring the ball up. Crosswell -- probably the worst championship winning starting PG in decades -- was lucky to have a veteran like D-mac to back him up last season. There's a good reason why a strong PG presence is the common denominator for all previous championship-winning teams.

They may already be considered to be outright favourites around here, but as it stands now, the team balance is way off. They are well and truly beatable. People love to look at pure talent pre-season, but the more considered observers know that there's way more to it than that. Crosswell, and a makeshift backup PG, will be exposed badly next season.

It depends on Hodge because Crosswell/Hodge would be better than Crosswell/2008 D-Mac.

I also have major concerns with the overall team balance- Anstey needs a post player alongside him, and we seem to be stacked with guys with the same or similar skill sets. Sam Mac's health is also an issue if you believe those around here. But even based on his history in the NBL and his age, you'd have to say it's a worry.

[King of Kings]

As great an NBL player that Hodge is, he is not a point guard. Carrying the ball up court on a couple of plays is one thing, but for him to be considered as a likely starting PG, is just nuts. And would be a major issue for the current champions. Which brings me to the notion that Hodge is not coming to the Tigers. I think what he showed at the 36's and what he did in the NBDL he would take a bigger payday in Europe, if not a call up to the NBA.

Not that I want to give the Tigers advise, but they really need an import PG.

[singy]

Barlow played in the Tigers Big V game tonight (his first for the season), and it was quite obvious what he was being groomed for. He played the point for the majority of the game and ended up with 35 points, 14 rebounds and 10 assists, in 45 minutes.

[CGG]

Now there is a tall point guard!

[Poida]

Barlow played in the Tigers Big V game tonight (his first for the season), and it was quite obvious what he was being groomed for. He played the point for the majority of the game and ended up with 35 points, 14 rebounds and 10 assists, in 45 minutes.


And 8 TO's (And against Eltham) :P

[curious]

Barlow triple double and you ignore that, esp playing the point allegeldly for the 1st time.
Mind you it's Big v.
Strong has adapted to the strength of the BIG v well. NOT.

[Lethal Vertical]

Barlow played in the Tigers Big V game tonight (his first for the season), and it was quite obvious what he was being groomed for. He played the point for the majority of the game and ended up with 35 points, 14 rebounds and 10 assists, in 45 minutes.

Is it likely he'll play out the season?

[Poida]

Barlow triple double and you ignore that, esp playing the point allegeldly for the 1st time.
Mind you it's Big v.
Strong has adapted to the strength of the BIG v well. NOT.

Are you having a go at me??

[singy]

Barlow played in the Tigers Big V game tonight (his first for the season), and it was quite obvious what he was being groomed for. He played the point for the majority of the game and ended up with 35 points, 14 rebounds and 10 assists, in 45 minutes.

Is it likely he'll play out the season?

Don't think so - he's listed on the roster, but I think he's mainly playing to keep fit to try to make the Olympics squad. Al said he'll play a few games throughout the season, as will Anstey apparently. Barlow didn't play in today's win over Waverley, but DC was back and he played the point for a while (and also managed a 20/12/11 triple double as well).

And 8 TO's (And against Eltham) :P

Thanks Poida, I was trying to be positive! :wink: He did throw down a huge dunk at one point though. :D

[LegoSHAQ]

Barlow is a big PG indeed. I think he is quick enough to cover most guards in the NBL.. but I am not sure of his court vision/passing ability. I thought the Tigers would need a PG who is going to feed Anstey and Barlow. I think Barlow is too much of a shoot first pass second.. Will certainly be inteteresting to see how he goes..

[rjd]

Yeah, it does seem like a radical change in role for Barlow. He's got a decent handle, but his decision making and passing ability aren't close to PG-worthy. Worth giving him a chance to develop his game, though, I suppose. He really needs to improve in those areas, so an off-season forced into playing point may not be so bad for him. I just can't see him getting away with that role at NBL level.

I wonder if Mackinnon can go top 5 in assists like he did a few seasons ago. He'll be the best passer on the team by far.

[Tigers_06-07]

I wonder if Mackinnon can go top 5 in assists like he did a few seasons ago. He'll be the best passer on the team by far.
Stephen Hoare says hello.

[Shannon Noll]

Seems DT won't be back. It's Hodge time.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ ... 88,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23661768-11088,00.html)

It will be awesome seeing the stars of the Dragons and Tigers go head-to-head.

[LegoSHAQ]

Hodge has already said that if he plays in the NBL he will play for the 36ers.

I guess the Tigers will have to look elsewhere.

[Cram]

Given the internal points ratings listed in the other thread, it seems to me that if, in fact, we do sign Sam, we'll be left with only 9 points to sign an import (under the assumption that Johnson is a 3). Look forward to seeing how we're gonna do this.