Slam Dunking in warm ups

Just wanting to clarify the actual rule here..

now here is what happened today..
A few of our players were doing dunks, and the referee told the coach that there is to be no more dunking, as the coach went to stand up and started to tell the players, a player was already dunking the ball, the ref blew his whistle ( b4 the head coach had even finished telling the players not to dunk ) and handed a T to our bench.

No one was hanging on the hoop, or even hanging for a second to regain balance, they were jsut simple dunks with a little grab as they flushed the ball down.



Just want to clarify the rule, and some referees thoughts on the "incident" i guess you could say which made me ask this...

thanks guys
Expertise

[gangsta boo]

How come its allowed in the NBL then??

[Cussy]

Whats wrong with dunking in warmups?

Whats wrong with dunking in warmups?

In your first game at home for the year!!!!

[Skindog the Hawk]

2 points - nothing wrong with dunking in warmups (hanging on the rim and potentially damaging it are another thing), and me thinkeths a certain referee may need to pull a carrot out of a certain orifice if he feels the need to T before the game has commenced. :?

It's food for thought...
Skindog.

[Southern Joe]

... In that case ... don't bother warming up at all ... just get out there & play ... ppffftt !!!

Lets extend this to other sports .....

No practise swings away from the ball in golf ...

No passsing the footy in oval ball codes

No goalkeeper practise in soccer

No swinging the arms rotor style when coming out to bat in baseball or cricket

No practise pitches or bowls in above sports

NO warm up laps for the formula ones ( in fact .. forget qualifying ... whoever gets there first on the day gets pole position :lol: )

No interviews for the TV or radio on how you think you'll go ....

& because dunking maybe considered an intimidation ploy in warm ups ..... the All Blacks can't use the Hakka !!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Essen]

^^^ Good points SJ, oh and it's the "Haka" :-p

Also, you'd have to stop shooting warmups in soccer. You might hit a member of the crowd.

Calling a T like that is ridiculous. I suggest you send a letter or something similar asking for clarification on the rules and why such a stupid rule is in place if there is.

[fahootie]

referees should not test their whistles until the game starts.....

[RandyOrton]

From what you have said - bad call, however...

Only thing i can think of - is there is a stadium by-law which is no dunking in warmups or something?

[Skindog the Hawk]

From what you have said - bad call, however...

Only thing i can think of - is there is a stadium by-law which is no dunking in warmups or something?

Even so, if it is a QABL game (or similar), then that stadium by-law would generally be ignored by the men (or women) in grey.

SD.

[RandyOrton]

I dont think it was a correct call.

However, I'm just trying to find a reason (other than being a whistle nazi) that that ref may have called a tech!

And i didnt realise this was QABL we were talking about!

jsut got back from practice,
one player hung off the hoop after he threw down a dunk, which was why the warning was issued, and fair enough, but the dunk that followed was just a flush with a grab of the ring...

edit: he wasnt haning all over it, but he came thru and did a big two hander and hung on it as he swung back and landed ( do you know what i mean here?)

but that explains the warning! and thats fair enough i tihnk...

The T still doesn't make sense though :?

[Sixers Fan]

Sounds like a ref who thinks he's god.

I had a similar (but worse, IMO) experience with a ref while at school. It was our last game of the year (in year 12, so our last game of school basketball ever), and during the game, one of our players attempted a shot that missed. Another of our players (who happens to be current 36ers development player, Nick Hambour) tried the tip-dunk, and (very) briefly held onto the ring to stop himself landing on an opposition player directly below him.

Immediately, the ref blows the whistle, not for a tech foul, but for a disqualifying foul!! :shock: There had been no warnings given before or during the game, but even if there had, hanging on the ring is at most a tech foul.

While our coach (and the school's head of sport dept.) vigourously argued with the ref, we were talking to the opposition players, who all agreed that it was the worst call they'd ever seen.

Anyway, despite the protests, the water tanker of a ref stuck by his call, and thanks to playing about 80% of the game without our best player, we lost (one of only 2 losses that year, IIRC). The fact that it was our last school game made it a lot worse, though.

that is far worse i tihnk,
you are encouraged to hang on the hoop if their are people under you, for your and their safety.

[Essen]

that is far worse i tihnk,
you are encouraged to hang on the hoop if their are people under you, for your and their safety.

In fact I believe that if there are people under you, refs are suppose to waive the rule for the benefit of safety of those involved.

[Southern Joe]

Sounds like a ref who thinks he's god.

I had a similar (but worse, IMO) experience with a ref while at school. It was our last game of the year (in year 12, so our last game of school basketball ever), and during the game, one of our players attempted a shot that missed. Another of our players (who happens to be current 36ers development player, Nick Hambour) tried the tip-dunk, and (very) briefly held onto the ring to stop himself landing on an opposition player directly below him.

Immediately, the ref blows the whistle, not for a tech foul, but for a disqualifying foul!! :shock: There had been no warnings given before or during the game, but even if there had, hanging on the ring is at most a tech foul.

While our coach (and the school's head of sport dept.) vigourously argued with the ref, we were talking to the opposition players, who all agreed that it was the worst call they'd ever seen.

Anyway, despite the protests, the water tanker of a ref stuck by his call, and thanks to playing about 80% of the game without our best player, we lost (one of only 2 losses that year, IIRC). The fact that it was our last school game made it a lot worse, though.


... Shocking call ... but mebbe the ref didn't like the player underneath & was hopping for such a landing ....

[Trappist Monk]

Over the years, I've witnessed 4 glass backboard explosions and the shredding of 2 wooden backboards. Anyone involved in venue management knows that every bastard who can reach the ring wants to tear the whole kit off the side of the building because that would be ummm, cool ... and tough ... and stuff.

Expertise, my take on your situation is - apart from a potential psychopath for a ref - there is probably some concern within the stadium management that the rings won't see out the season. So, first game, come down hard (ehem) and set the standard.

The biggest problem for a stadium is policing a dunk policy. I've sat in board meetings where the issue as to 'what is too much dunk' has been discussed ad nauseum. You may think closing fingers around the ring should be the limit but I've seen a current NBL player smash a backboard simply by slamming his wrists down hard on the ring.

Stadiums need to re-inforce their older equipment in such a way that it will not smash. Most of the newer stuff has been designed with liability in mind and can take serious abuse. Still, the gear is very expensive for local associations and they don't want to be replacing it because of what is often plain vandalism at the domestic comp level.

As a final point, any player who has shattered a glass backboard does not want to do it again. Apart from the loud explosion and flying (very sharp) safety glass, where has the ring gone!
I saw one kid take off from the dotted line, grab the ring with 2 hands and swing through to a horizontal position, whereupon the backboard gave up it's composure.
The kid back-slammed the floor with a shower of glass lacerating him but he didn't let go of the ring. It's backing plate came within millimetres of his head and left a half-inch dent in the floor.
Ambulance called, kid treated for cuts, suspected broken ribs and shock.

Lucky we had a portable backboard so the game could go on :wink:

Our admin tells us this morning that it is infact a ABA rule that you are not allowed dunk in warm ups.

Thats fair enough getting a technical as everyone was throwing it down... but.. I tihnk the issue now is that the referee interupted the coach telling the players not to dunk and gave a T to the bench.

As for the rings etc, we have new backboards and snap back rings... they are made to take a beating, due to it being a older support system, it has all been re-inforced and extra support added.

[revolution]

Based on your summary of the events, it sound like the referee simply got it wrong. He should have:
- given the coach sufficient time to speak to all his players.
- possibly given a second warning (simply because the referee should want to avoid starting the game with a tech foul).
- given the technical foul to the player as the rule book states, not the bench.

BTW - I have never heard of any ABA rule outlawing dunking in warm ups. Perhaps it is a QABL rule?

[Greenie]

Our admin tells us this morning that it is infact a ABA rule that you are not allowed dunk in warm ups.

Thats fair enough getting a technical as everyone was throwing it down... but.. I tihnk the issue now is that the referee interupted the coach telling the players not to dunk and gave a T to the bench.

As for the rings etc, we have new backboards and snap back rings... they are made to take a beating, due to it being a older support system, it has all been re-inforced and extra support added.

That is the biggest load of horsecrap I have ever heard!!!

Not being aloud to dunk in warmup's, that is total BS.

Warm-up's are a time before the game when you have a chance to get your adrenalin running and pump yourself up for the game. Dunking in warm-up's with the beats playing in the background not only pumps you up, but it's also probably the best way to get your legs going.

Why would the ABA do such a thing??

:x

[Coachpete]

Why would the ABA do such a thing??

See Trappist's post. If a backboard gets smashed during a game it's one thing. If it gets smashed in warmup by some jabronie who wouldn't have a hope in hell of throwing one down with a defender in the same postcode it's another

[Cussy]

Our admin tells us this morning that it is infact a ABA rule that you are not allowed dunk in warm ups.

Thats fair enough getting a technical as everyone was throwing it down... but.. I tihnk the issue now is that the referee interupted the coach telling the players not to dunk and gave a T to the bench.

As for the rings etc, we have new backboards and snap back rings... they are made to take a beating, due to it being a older support system, it has all been re-inforced and extra support added.

That is the biggest load of horsecrap I have ever heard!!!

Not being aloud to dunk in warmup's, that is total BS.

Warm-up's are a time before the game when you have a chance to get your adrenalin running and pump yourself up for the game. Dunking in warm-up's with the beats playing in the background not only pumps you up, but it's also probably the best way to get your legs going.

Why would the ABA do such a thing??

:x

Warm-ups isn't about hot-dogging to your bitches in the crowd - its about warming up your muscles and doing stretches.

Something that should be noted,
Our opposition also were doing dunks, no action was taken against them.

[RandyOrton]

Were you the away team or home team? ;)

Home

here is the ABA rule taken from Chapter 1 ( Playing rules) of the aba by laws

1.9. Dunking in warm-ups. The Game referees shall closely police dunking in warm-ups. After warning the WHOLE team ONCE, the referees shall penalise by a bench technical any player who snaps the basket release or attacks the ring in a manner that suggests damage may be done.

RandyOrton, does that mean that the player gets a bench T on his foul count, not the Head Coach.

[Trappist Monk]

here is the ABA rule taken from Chapter 1 ( Playing rules) of the aba by laws

1.9. Dunking in warm-ups. The Game referees shall closely police dunking in warm-ups. After warning the WHOLE team ONCE, the referees shall penalise by a bench technical any player who snaps the basket release or attacks the ring in a manner that suggests damage may be done.

That is harsh but I suppose they've gone the easy route in identifying an exact instance (snapping the basket release) to identify a breach. Problem is, even though FIBA specifies release pressures, I'd feel confident in saying most stadiums would vary - some significantly. I guess that's where your team would use up its warning :)

here is the ABA rule taken from Chapter 1 ( Playing rules) of the aba by laws

[quote="ABA Season 2005 By Laws & Operations Manual":gt8i8q8b]1.9. Dunking in warm-ups. The Game referees shall closely police dunking in warm-ups. After warning the WHOLE team ONCE, the referees shall penalise by a bench technical any player who snaps the basket release or attacks the ring in a manner that suggests damage may be done.

That is harsh but I suppose they've gone the easy route in identifying an exact instance (snapping the basket release) to identify a breach. Problem is, even though FIBA specifies release pressures, I'd feel confident in saying most stadiums would vary - some significantly. I guess that's where your team would use up its warning :)[/quote:gt8i8q8b]

The referee warned the coach, he didnt warn the WHOLE team.....
Hence, now, I wouldnt even call it a Warning

[revolution]

RandyOrton, does that mean that the player gets a bench T on his foul count, not the Head Coach.
It goes towards the player's personal foul count and included in the team foul count for the first quarter (refer Art 41.1.2). The twenty-minute warm up period is considered an interval of play (refer Art. 8.4). The interval of play status does not change the application of the technical foul rule (Art 38.), or any of the other foul rules.

The coach/bench are not to be penalised for players hanging on the ring.

cheers, so the players fouls would read
b2,p,p2 etc

[revolution]

I would speak with both the player(s) and coach involved. I would also approach the opposition coach and advise them of the issue. This whole situation could be avoided with some quick intervention and fast talking.

Side note - I rarely use the word "warn" with players and coaches. I find coaches and players find it too authoritative and unnecessarily confronting. There are heaps of other phrases/words that will keep the player/coach receptive to your message.

[RandyOrton]

If the ABA rules say a BENCH T - it's a B2 against the coach. Meaning he wont be disqualified until he receives a total of 3 technical fouls.

The FIBA rules say it is a Technical on the player. (during an interval of play) T2 on the player, and it counts as one of the players 5 fouls for the game.

A PLAYER can not receive a BENCH technical foul.