Where should I coach??

[CoachRoar]

Am thinking about relocating to Melbourne for employment reasons and would like to continue coaching and perhaps maybe continuing playing.

As Im looking at moving close to the CBD I was wondering what the good inner rep clubs were. Obviously know of the Nunnawadings, Melbourne Tigers, Dandnongs, Kilsyth etc but dont neccessarily know which of these clubs are located in terms of the CBD.

Have coached District level basketball for for 10 years (mostly Div 1), done stint as an ABL assistant coach and played top Div 1 juniors and ABL basketball for 14 years. Im a Level 2 coach. Looking for a good program does not have to be successful but if its not it has to have a good plan and people in place to make it successful.

Any suggestions and why?? Hopefully this question may fire up some debate on what clubs are good and which ones are not.

[aussieBaller]

Come to Dandenong. One of the best associations in Melbourne. titles to prove it. about 25 minutes SE of the CBD

[Blind Teddy]

25 minutes to Dandenong that would be if you leave at Midday Fridays from the CBD. I gotta say that this doesn't seem to be the best group of under 12's at Dandenong. Could the lug nuts be coming loose at Dandenong??? We have seen them up there in the past but look to be struggling this year but only time will tell.....

[Lethal Vertical]

My advice is to find out for yourself. Go to a few stadiums, head out there Friday nights, talk to a few people.

People will give you differing and varied, biased opinions. I say form your own.

Which stadiums are near the city?

There aren't many to be honest, not many real close.

MSAC (Melbourne Tigers play home games there, not sure about training) is at Albert Park, probably 5 mins away from CBD.

There are some clubs reasonably close to city on South East side. Waverly Falcons play at Batesford Reserve, Chadstone. Just off the Monash Freeway, which you can join at the city, not very far. Coming from the other side of the city, I can get there in around 25 mins on a good run, so I'm guessing it's 10-15 from the CBD.

McKinnon play down near Caulfield area, I think this is pretty close to the city also.

I could go on and on....northern side of city, Keilor and Broady are the two premier clubs out that way, both accessible via Tullamarine Freeway.

Anyway goto www.basketballvictoria.com.au (http://www.basketballvictoria.com.au) and click on stadiums for a list of where all rep courts are at.

Lethal

[Btdg]

Don't go anywhere near Whittlesea, if recent events are anything to judge by... :roll:

I'd just wait until you find a place to live and coach at your local association. The big clubs, Nunawading, Eltham, Dandenong etc are good if you just want to find your feet but you have to be prepared to play the politics a bit. Smaller clubs give you a lot more freedom and are worth it in the long run but harder to get involved with (as they have less teams etc)

[Lethal Vertical]

There are politics in all clubs, I can assure you.

What's wrong with Whittlesea?

Lethal

[Btdg]

No doubt there are politics at all clubs. But the bigger the club, the more people you have to keep happy and the more agendas to negotiate. Of course, you get great additional resources and often more talent to work with, so its a bit of a balance.

Whittlesea - to summarize a complicated situation, decided to sack their Big V div 1 coach, two weeks before the season, for various reasons, but basically the committee and coach had differing opinions on a few things (as happens in most programs). They then hired a new coach to replace their coach on the friday before Frankston - but didn't tell the coach he'd been sacked. He found out via the rumour mill when the new coach came to a tournament game with a video camera to watch his team. The players (who are good friends with the coach) found out at a meeting two days later, but weren't provided with an explanation, and the majority have subsequently quit the club. A similar situation occurred a few years ago with another very highly respected coach at the same club, so I'd probably cut Whittlesea off the list of clubs to look at...

Plenty of good discussion on this situation can be found here:

http://www.vbl.net.au/forum.cgi?act=dt&thread=6&post=7

[Lethal Vertical]

That's crazy.

I read some of the comments with interest. I know some of the people who posted in that discussion.

Sounds crazy to me.

Lethal

[Poida]

25 minutes to Dandenong that would be if you leave at Midday Fridays from the CBD. I gotta say that this doesn't seem to be the best group of under 12's at Dandenong. Could the lug nuts be coming loose at Dandenong??? We have seen them up there in the past but look to be struggling this year but only time will tell.....

You judge a program on it's u/12's squads?

25 minutes to Dandenong that would be if you leave at Midday Fridays from the CBD. I gotta say that this doesn't seem to be the best group of under 12's at Dandenong. Could the lug nuts be coming loose at Dandenong??? We have seen them up there in the past but look to be struggling this year but only time will tell.....

You judge a program on it's u/12's squads?

even though some noticable absences from the past few years :P :P
im pretty dam sure that the nuts are not coming loose....

[revolution]

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Any program that can afford to turn Andrew Bogut away must be pretty good. :wink: :lol: I think that decision will be regretted by Ranger's heirarchy for a long, long, long, long time.



i dont tihnk so.. at the time he was only aroun 5'8, wasnt the best player, and he had a bad attitude, didnt work hard, adn wasnt the best listener..

If they had of kept him, would he of got the drive to be the best?

[revolution]

So much of that drive came from his parents - so I would tend to say yes. No question about his poor attitude but he wasn't the first kid from Dandenong to have a bad attitude - they don't always send them away. IMO ... Coach Dawson's decision to cut Bogut would be one he would reconsider if the opportunity came again.

From memory (and I have watched him since under 12's), he was bigger than 5'8 when he left Dandenong. But that said, 5'8 isn't small for that age. I also remember watching a game while he was playing U16 at Sandringham. He would have been well over 6'2 by then and certainly the tallest player on court.

was it bottom age 16's he got cut.. he was a guard at the time.. not a big guy..

he got cut form us, and then didnt make the state team, and he said he would never get cut again

of course he would reconsider now, knowing what he is capable of, but back then, how could anyone have a idea he was going to be 7ft, and play like this

[revolution]

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hmm, so he wasn't a guard.. ok, i thought he was.. but he wasnt a centre when he got cut.. well since when ahs dandy really ever had post players anyway

[aussieBaller]

25 minutes to Dandenong that would be if you leave at Midday Fridays from the CBD. I gotta say that this doesn't seem to be the best group of under 12's at Dandenong. Could the lug nuts be coming loose at Dandenong??? We have seen them up there in the past but look to be struggling this year but only time will tell.....

You judge a program on it's u/12's squads?

even though some noticable absences from the past few years :P :P
im pretty dam sure that the nuts are not coming loose....

There are factors behind dandy not having a decent u12, and one of them is only having 11 kids at bottom age 12 last year and there was a muck up in our program 2 years ago. That seems to be all back on track.

Also when you have teams sit in a zone just to win is not teaching the kids basketball.

Blind Teddy you can't judge a team on having a couple of bad years. Mebourne U12 Number 1 team is sitting in metro 1. Are Melbourne is trouble?

[Blind Teddy]

I am not judging Dandenong by there Under 12's but they seem to like to win the younger Age groups where I think they should be trying to win the older age groups and use the lower levels for development.
In saying that I am hearing some grumblings from parents at dandenong in the lower age groups. I have seen some of these games and kids seem to be running around with very little structure to what they are doing.
As for Melbourne they made the grand final 2 years ago against Werribee with both teams playing a zone (Disgaceful) defence. Melbourne deserve to be playing Metro if that's all there got.
Anyway, What happened to the Shuffle?????

[Poida]

I am not judging Dandenong by there Under 12's but they seem to like to win the younger Age groups where I think they should be trying to win the older age groups and use the lower levels for development.In saying that I am hearing some grumblings from parents at dandenong in the lower age groups. I have seen some of these games and kids seem to be running around with very little structure to what they are doing.
As for Melbourne they made the grand final 2 years ago against Werribee with both teams playing a zone (Disgaceful) defence. Melbourne deserve to be playing Metro if that's all there got.
Anyway, What happened to the Shuffle?????

Every player and coach at every level(age group) at Dandenong strives to win a state title. That's why they play for the Rangers. It's not a case of letting the younger age groups win state titles and forget about the older age groups. Look at this year for instance, the U/16's boys and girls teams look the goods for a state title, and the 18's boys and girls will be up there to.

Oh and the part about the Shuffle, my guess is they gave up on that after there all conquering 18's team from last season didn't make the state title game :lol:

[revolution]

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[aussieBaller]

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In saying that I am hearing some grumblings from parents at dandenong in the lower age groups. I have seen some of these games and kids seem to be running around with very little structure to what they are doing.


What team were you watching? No Structure. Let me know what parents are grumbling because the club needs to know.

[SLICE23]

Interesting thread, U12 are a good indication on how clubs perfom and develop there players thru their program.
I dont know how many great players have come out of dandenong recently they do aquire many players for there senior players from other eastern suburbs clubs. (please im not bagging dandenong!)
But your stronger associations when you look at championships and players going onto senior ranks in both sexes seem to be Nunawading,Knox,Dandenong Bulleen,KIlsyth etc so the trends seems to be from the eastern suburbs side, but be prepared to drive ANnd politics are everywhere goodluck on your search young skywalker may the force be with you.

[pimpdaddy]

Hey seriously stop the attack on Dandenong they do it right there. They are doing stuff right through to the wnbl. Dont worry about them. You may also look at nunawading (girls side), knox (boys side) or melbourne (Boys side) thats about it. Also Hawthor if you want to make a difference and be somewhere that will dominate in the future.

You want anymore unbiased info PM me.

[Blind Teddy]

Revolution : Spot on its the great Aussie way of Tall Poppy Syndrone.
We love to see someone who has done well in the past
get cut down.
Aussieballer: The club doesn't need to know which teams because if they
have the right structure in place Who Would Care What's
Going On???????? P.S. Look for the non encouraging Coach.

In saying that who cares what anybody thinks, If you are happy that's all
that matters...

25 minutes to Dandenong that would be if you leave at Midday Fridays from the CBD. I gotta say that this doesn't seem to be the best group of under 12's at Dandenong. Could the lug nuts be coming loose at Dandenong??? We have seen them up there in the past but look to be struggling this year but only time will tell.....

oo gee, you might be onto something...

I see in under 18 boys, dandenong 1 are undefeated, on top of ladder
in under 16 boys, dandenong 1 are undefeated, on top of ladder
in under 14 boys, dandenong 1 are undefeated, on top of ladder
BUT
In under 12 boys, they have lost a game, and sit in 4th place...

reallyy, the nuts must be flying all over the show
:wink:
http://www.vjbl.com.au/results.html

[cammo]

Only advise i can offer is...DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES COME TO FRANKSTON, the place is a complete hole run by the biggest twats basketball has to offer, led by the father of all twats Mr. Bill Runchey. Meh@my home stadium :evil:

[Btdg]

What's wrong with Frankston? The place always seems to have a good atmosphere to me - and the stadium is pretty damn good.

[cammo]

Its more to do with the local comp mate, they put all their effort into thier stupid lil team and forget about everybody else who is paying them on there way.

[DoubleA]

As my avatar suggests, Bulleen in SE 15minutes from the city down the freeway are a decent rep team. Saturdays are a joke though