'08/09 NBA Season

[Voice(s)]

Even though the season technically started today, for those of us with Foxtel the season starts in about eight hours with Phoenix at San Antonio @ 11am EST on :espn:

[Cussy]

And Terry Porter has already used more guys in the rotation in his first game than D'Antoni did in the entire 2007/08 season.

[Voice(s)]

:lol: I think TP will do fine.

[Voice(s)]

Suns bounce back today with a comfortable win over Portland after the loss to New Orleans. Good start under Porter at 2-1.

[Cussy]

Nate Robinson with 24 points, incl 5 from 5 from deep, in just over a quarter of playing time today. I can picture him going ridiculously OTT in his one good game a month.

[Da Houndawg #55]

And news just in 'Melo is a fucking idiot... wait a second, that's hardly lat-breaking news "Melo says stupid shit" is hardly a new headline.

Here's an idea, Melo. Win.

[Voice(s)]

Suns now 4-1 after beating the Pacers today with Amare dropping 49. However Tony Parker got 55! :shock:

[singy]

Yeah, big night of NBA when 2 players go off on massive scoring binges, 2 games go to OT (one to double OT), and the surprising Hawks remain undefeated with a big win over the Hornets, on the road. I'm still trying to believe the Philly/Miami result is a mis-print though.

[Voice(s)]

I don't know why so many people lost their minds over Philly. They're a middle of the road team. They made a huge mistake spending all that money on an okay player like Iguodala (like the Bulls did with Deng), overpaying Brand/Louis Williams and what more can be said about Dalembert.

[glockers]

I have to agree with Voice(s)regarding Philly. They did well last year and have done the right thing by grabbing Elton Brand who really helps at the 4 spot. The problem is that Brand is not the superstar to lead the team. He would be a great second fiddle to an outstanding guard.

Andre Igs has been ridiculously overpaid after a decent season. His stats weren't even that great and it was leadership by default. That wasn't a star leading a team, it was a good player stepping in because of necessity. The guy is simply a starter that should complement better players.

They have screwed their cap with Dalembert too. Yet they have Thaddeus Young, Louis Williams and Spreights all waiting in the wings. All those guys are talented and just need a legit star around them. I think the Andre Igs move was a huge mistake.

They should be making a play at Bosh, Lebron, Wade in the next few years, but now they are screwed by their cap.

[Mookie]

Yep, I agree. There was never going to be anything special about this Philly team. Brand is too Bland too lead a team, whilst Iggy (as he hates to be called) would be great as a Pippen-type player. If they can unearth a quality PG, they could be a bit more interesting.

I'm impressed with how PHX is coming together. Shaq is doing a great job of helping Amaré be who he needs to be.

[Voice(s)]

Here it is.

[Moth]

My bad, didn't see it :oops:

Please feel free to merge, mods.

[singy]

I don't know why so many people lost their minds over Philly. They're a middle of the road team. They made a huge mistake spending all that money on an okay player like Iguodala (like the Bulls did with Deng), overpaying Brand/Louis Williams and what more can be said about Dalembert.

I don't think Philly have become beasts of the East with their off-season moves, but I'm expecting more out of them this season because of the way they finished off last season. It's a young, athletic team, and that will mean ups and downs during an 82-game journey. Having said that, they shouldn't be losing by around 30 to a team that only won 15 games last year, even if they have made some improvements, as the Heat have. I still expect a 5th to 7th finish in the East for the 76ers.

[Moth]

I don't know why so many people lost their minds over Philly. They're a middle of the road team. They made a huge mistake spending all that money on an okay player like Iguodala (like the Bulls did with Deng), overpaying Brand/Louis Williams and what more can be said about Dalembert.

I don't think Philly have become beasts of the East with their off-season moves, but I'm expecting more out of them this season because of the way they finished off last season. It's a young, athletic team, and that will mean ups and downs during an 82-game journey. Having said that, they shouldn't be losing by around 30 to a team that only won 15 games last year, even if they have made some improvements, as the Heat have. I still expect a 5th to 7th finish in the East for the 76ers.

If there's any consolation for their slow start this year, it's that they also had a terrible start last year before storming home. This is apparently a trend with Mo' Cheeks-coached teams. For some reason his teams have a much better record in the 2nd half of the season than the first.

[Voice(s)]

I have to admit I'm surprised by the Heat's start to the season at 3-2.

[Voice(s)]

Suns are now 5-2 after beating the Bucks today. Shaq destroyed Bogut putting up 29 and 11. It looks like the Suns decision to rest Shaq in certain back to backs might pay off (I thought it was a no brainer).

[Da Houndawg #55]

Suns are now 5-2 after beating the Bucks today. Shaq destroyed Bogut putting up 29 and 11. It looks like the Suns decision to rest Shaq in certain back to backs might pay off (I thought it was a no brainer).
Absolutely.

[Voice(s)]

Rockets are only 4-3 and the Lakers took care of them today. Pistons now 0-2 with Iverson.

[Moth]

Rockets are only 4-3 and the Lakers took care of them today.

Those Lakers are looking scary good. One hell of a bench.

[Mookie]

They might not win many games this season, but those Grizzlies are looking good with all of that young talent they are developing. Mayo is looking tasty (I don't often say that) and had another good performance against the Suns last night. Gasol, Arthur, Conley Jr and of course Gay are all nice pieces to have. If they take this in the right direction it could be a very solid team in a few years.

[Voice(s)]

Rockets are only 4-3 and the Lakers took care of them today.

Those Lakers are looking scary good. One hell of a bench.

They do look good but it's only the regular season. We all know what happens to Kobe come Finals time. Don't get sucked into the hype. :wink:

[Moth]

Interview with Andrew Bogut:

http://www.insidehoops.com/bogut-interview-111008.shtml

[Cussy]

[quote="Voice(s)":nc8yb1fe]Rockets are only 4-3 and the Lakers took care of them today.

Those Lakers are looking scary good. One hell of a bench.

They do look good but it's only the regular season. We all know what happens to Kobe come Finals time. Don't get sucked into the hype. :wink:[/quote:nc8yb1fe]
His team-mates do a disappearing act?

[Voice(s)]

Nah Kobe starts jacking up bricks.

[Voice(s)]

Rockets are only 4-3 and the Lakers took care of them today.

Those Lakers are looking scary good. One hell of a bench.

Here's a good article on ya boy Kobe:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AqNE_CYZd2q.57LyQgt2ICK8vLYF?slug=aw-kobepaul111208&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

[Voice(s)]

Hats off to Dwight Howard for his very impressive game today against the Thunder with 30pts, 19reb and 10blks. Unfortunately it's not even the most impressive triple double for an Orlando Magic player involving blocked shots. That belongs to Shaq who early in his second season had 24pts, 28reb and 15blks in just 36 minutes in a win at New Jersey. Just sayin. :wink:

[Moth]

A few suspensions doled out for the "fight" in the Houston-Suns game. Bit harsh, I thought.

[Voice(s)]

I thought the suspensions were justified. Big win by the Suns over the Kings though without Nash, Barbosa and Barnes. Shaq stepping up with 29, 13 & 6.

Really liked the look of Iverson and the Pistons in todays game against the Lakers. Kobe supplied the bricks and Iverson took what the defence gave him in a calm and measured fashion. The Pistons are now 3-2 with Iverson and he seems to be fitting in well. Looking forward to the Suns/Pistons game in a few days time. Mad silly props to Billups too I think the Nuggets are 4-1 with him and looks like both sides did alright out of that trade.

[Voice(s)]

The Suns had a big win over the Pistons today despite Shaq being ejected in the second quarter. Looking good at 8-3 with Amare getting back in to it.

[singy]

The Suns had a big win over the Pistons today despite Shaq being ejected in the second quarter. Looking good at 8-3 with Amare getting back in to it.

This could have got ugly. I watched this game on replay tonight and it was a flagrant foul on Shaq, mostly because of the way he took out Stuckey's arms as he reached up to the basket - Stuckey hit the ground pretty hard and it didn't look good. But when Shaq was ejected (I think it was reviewed first as there was a delay before he was ejected), he went after the ref, and when Terry Porter, Nash & some of the other assistant coaches tried to get him off court, he wasn't very happy with them either. Shaq was dominating the game before this, so that's maybe why he didn't want to leave. :wink: It was a great win for the Suns too.

[Voice(s)]

Yeah I just saw a clip of the incident and it was pretty brutal. Stuckey's face looked like it hit the floor too, either way bang get him out of there, you can't have that and plus with his size and strength he can cause serious damage to people if not in total control. Maybe it was a statement that the Suns will no longer be bullied around anymore?

What really concerned me was the footage of Porter coming on to the court to try and take him away and Shaq smacking Porter's arm away and then having a go at him. I didn't see the ref part but what I did see didn't look good at all. Shaq usually only gets worked up like that if the opposition are getting away with hacking him and it's going un-called so hopefully that was the case because you hate to see a player acting like that towards his coach.

Either way it's not acceptable and poor form from a guy in his 17th season. I'll be Curious to read what local Suns fans think of the incident.

[Voice(s)]

Big one tomorrow, Suns at Lakers. Hopefully Shaq does a "Stuckey" on Kobe. Will be interesting to see how he goes against Andrew "juvenile delinquent" Bynum.

According to today's NBA Shootaround on ESPN it seems trouble is already brewing in Detroit and supposedly Rip Hamilton and Stuckey are complaining about the lack of shots with Iverson now on board and George Karl came out and took a not so subtle shot at Iverson too.

[stellation]

I agreed with Jalen Rose's comments, when they traded for him they knew what they were getting. I saw the Pistons vs. Lakers game and for the most part Iverson was playing off the ball, he was bringing it up and giving it to Prince up high who was then running the point- not sure if that's happening in every game.

[Voice(s)]

I need to correct myself it's Lakers at Suns thats live now.

With Iverson I thought he played well in that Pistons/Lakers game we got but then he went something like 4-17 against Phoenix, I think. True the Pistons knew what they were doing and that was creating cap space. The Pistons like to play quality possessions everytime down the court which is why I think there's almost no chance they re-sign Iverson regardless of what kind of pay cut he's going to be taking next season.

[Moth]

The Bucks' Mbah a Moute with 10 boards... at quarter time. Nice job by the energetic rookie.

Bargnani on fire for the Raps!

[stellation]

Vince back in Toronto... sends it into overtime... then in overtime, Nets have an inbound to win the game... then...

http://www.desiupload.com/out.php/i143580_carterwinsit.avi1.gif

[Voice(s)]

Vince Carter what a waste of talent that guy was. Could've been anything but lacked the heart.

[Moth]

Vince back in Toronto... sends it into overtime... then in overtime, Nets have an inbound to win the game... then...

http://www.desiupload.com/out.php/i143580_carterwinsit.avi1.gif

Unbelievable game!

[Cram]

Vince back in Toronto... sends it into overtime... then in overtime, Nets have an inbound to win the game... then...

http://www.desiupload.com/out.php/i143580_carterwinsit.avi1.gif

Unbelievable game!

Heart breaker!

[The Glove]

Vince back in Toronto... sends it into overtime... then in overtime, Nets have an inbound to win the game... then...

http://www.desiupload.com/out.php/i143580_carterwinsit.avi1.gif

Unbelievable game!

unbelievable Vince !!

[Voice(s)]

Iverson and the Pistons got belted by Minnesota today giving the T-Wolves their first road win of the season.

[Durbansandshark]

Wizards fire Eddie Jordan (and associate head coach Mike O'Koren) today. Not entirely his fault for their dismal start (not as bad as deservedly the Thunder), but with Agent 0 injured and his massive contract and not going deep into the playoffs in the last few seasons, Grunfeld felt needed he needed a spark. That said, more time should've been granted for to turn things around.

[Voice(s)]

I always thought it was only a matter of time until Eddie Jordan got fired. I mean how many times can you make the playoffs and continually get knocked out in the first round.

[Cussy]

I always thought it was only a matter of time until Eddie Jordan got fired. I mean how many times can you make the playoffs and continually get knocked out in the first round.
Is he T-Mac's mentor?

[Voice(s)]

:) Quite possibly. I thought you were a T-Back fan, I didn't even think about him when I said that.

I have to admit Derrick Rose is playing really well and Michael Beasley hasn't really got going at this level yet. I thought Rose would be more hype than substance and was wrong but still think the Bulls would've been better off with Beasley in the long run.

[Cussy]

:) Quite possibly. I thought you were a T-Back fan, I didn't even think about him when I said that.


Not a huge fan but I think they have the foundations to be a contender - all stars, second tier players, and good role players. They just need to sort out who their go to guy is, and I think its needs to be Yao.

[Voice(s)]

Yeah I agree with all that. I predicted Houston to be there at the end but the injuries are a real concern. Agree in that Yao needs to be the man. Love my Scola too.

[Da Houndawg #55]

:) Quite possibly. I thought you were a T-Back fan, I didn't even think about him when I said that.

I have to admit Derrick Rose is playing really well and Michael Beasley hasn't really got going at this level yet. I thought Rose would be more hype than substance and was wrong but still think the Bulls would've been better off with Beasley in the long run.
I know my college point guards...

[Durbansandshark]

There's something wrong about firing a coach immediately after a team charity event. That's exactly what Ernie Grunfeld did when he fired Eddie Jordan after he and the Wizards distributed Thanksgiving turkeys Monday morning. (Can't you wait until after the Thanksgiving weekend to fire Eddie, Ernie?) Grunfeld informed Ed Tapscott of the promotion as the latter was prepping the upcoming practice watching video. Though not a head coach at the pro, Tapscott was the first COO of the Charlotte Bobcats, director of player personnel of the New York Knicks in the 1990s, and previously coached (and before that assisted) the American University Eagles in the 1980s. Randy Ayers, former Ohio St. and (briefly) Philadelphia 76ERS coach, will act as Tapscott's top assistant. Yeah, they struggled to be competitive often, even ones they were supposed to win, including a Saturday night loss to an undermanned New York Knicks team.

Tapscott stresses defense and rebounding with pushing the ball on offense--be more guard the rim, protect the lane, and be more physical.

[Voice(s)]

The Suns just got over the Thunder today without Shaq. He was rested for tomorrow's Minnesota game. It remains to be seen if he matches up with Al Jefferson but Jefferson has torched the Suns in the past.

[Moth]

Haha, Iverson skips practice with the Pistons and now will face disciplinary action. Some things never change.

[Moth]

Article re: Stoudemire and wanting to be "The Man". It seems he and Nash still aren't totally comfortable with the new system and have a yearning for "the way things used to be".

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/s ... ire-081128 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=smith_stephen&page=Stoudemire-081128)

I'm not a Stephen A Smith fan, but I guess it's something I've noticed in Nash's comments particularly this year that he's not particularly happy with this new system.

[Voice(s)]

The Suns got torched by Wade and the Heat today. Nash was out not that that would've made much difference considering how poor he is defensively.

On that article, Amare needs to step up. Both he and Nash dont even attempt to play defence so it's no wonder they yearn for the old D'Antoni system of "another lay-up? we'll just get it back on the other end". Both of those players are being exposed right now. Run and gun masks flaws. That's why teams will try and do run and gun with young, flawed, inexperienced kids because it's the only hope you've got.

I blame D'Antoni for the way Amare and Nash have both panned out. Absolute ambivalence towards playing defence. All those two jokers are doing right now is making themselves look pathetic because Kerr when playing under Popovich appreciated the defensive side of the game and D'Antoni was allowed to run unchecked with his "if we beat a team 127-121 it means we played the best defence" garbage. Nash can't even run the team effectively in a half court set-up he still trys to play like the old system and goes running into the paint and around the key getting into the way of Shaq and Amare (to a degree). Nash was humiliated by Parker in the playoffs last year but still refuses to play defence. Porter's doing a great job but some players (Nash and Bell especially) are beyond redemption.

[Moth]

Wow, Knicks put up 82 in the first half today.

[Cussy]

The Suns got torched by Wade and the Heat today. Nash was out not that that would've made much difference considering how poor he is defensively.

On that article, Amare needs to step up. Both he and Nash dont even attempt to play defence so it's no wonder they yearn for the old D'Antoni system of "another lay-up? we'll just get it back on the other end". Both of those players are being exposed right now. Run and gun masks flaws. That's why teams will try and do run and gun with young, flawed, inexperienced kids because it's the only hope you've got.

I blame D'Antoni for the way Amare and Nash have both panned out. Absolute ambivalence towards playing defence. All those two jokers are doing right now is making themselves look pathetic because Kerr when playing under Popovich appreciated the defensive side of the game and D'Antoni was allowed to run unchecked with his "if we beat a team 127-121 it means we played the best defence" garbage. Nash can't even run the team effectively in a half court set-up he still trys to play like the old system and goes running into the paint and around the key getting into the way of Shaq and Amare (to a degree). Nash was humiliated by Parker in the playoffs last year but still refuses to play defence. Porter's doing a great job but some players (Nash and Bell especially) are beyond redemption.
What do you mean Nash doesn't play D? He's shut down Devin Harris today.

[Clips]

Interesting to note that the average point guard scoring average goes from 14 to 21 vs the suns...

[RedbackVenom]

Interesting to note that the average point guard scoring average goes from 14 to 21 vs the suns...

Nash doesn't play much if any D guys - just acknowledge it as a fact and move on.

Anyone intrigued by the performances of Chris Paul's Hornets? They just don't seem to be playing well together as a team, particulalry as so many people were tipping them to be a major player this season.

[Cussy]

Hey Donnie, just buy him out and get on with things!

[Cussy]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... ortCat=nba (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/081126&sportCat=nba)

[RaMarQabLe]

^ great article!

first i heard of the "China Pact". That would be scary awesome....

[HunterPirates]

I had a multi today, Celts into Maimi quite profitable...

Sportsbet.

[HunterPirates]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/081126&sportCat=nba



F__99uck___in top read this, fantastic.

[Voice(s)]

[quote="Voice(s)":2d76w2s7]The Suns got torched by Wade and the Heat today. Nash was out not that that would've made much difference considering how poor he is defensively.

On that article, Amare needs to step up. Both he and Nash dont even attempt to play defence so it's no wonder they yearn for the old D'Antoni system of "another lay-up? we'll just get it back on the other end". Both of those players are being exposed right now. Run and gun masks flaws. That's why teams will try and do run and gun with young, flawed, inexperienced kids because it's the only hope you've got.

I blame D'Antoni for the way Amare and Nash have both panned out. Absolute ambivalence towards playing defence. All those two jokers are doing right now is making themselves look pathetic because Kerr when playing under Popovich appreciated the defensive side of the game and D'Antoni was allowed to run unchecked with his "if we beat a team 127-121 it means we played the best defence" garbage. Nash can't even run the team effectively in a half court set-up he still trys to play like the old system and goes running into the paint and around the key getting into the way of Shaq and Amare (to a degree). Nash was humiliated by Parker in the playoffs last year but still refuses to play defence. Porter's doing a great job but some players (Nash and Bell especially) are beyond redemption.
What do you mean Nash doesn't play D? He's shut down Devin Harris today.[/quote:2d76w2s7]

Beyond redemption.

[Da Houndawg #55]

The Suns got torched by Wade and the Heat today. Nash was out not that that would've made much difference considering how poor he is defensively.

On that article, Amare needs to step up. Both he and Nash dont even attempt to play defence so it's no wonder they yearn for the old D'Antoni system of "another lay-up? we'll just get it back on the other end". Both of those players are being exposed right now. Run and gun masks flaws. That's why teams will try and do run and gun with young, flawed, inexperienced kids because it's the only hope you've got.

I blame D'Antoni for the way Amare and Nash have both panned out. Absolute ambivalence towards playing defence. All those two jokers are doing right now is making themselves look pathetic because Kerr when playing under Popovich appreciated the defensive side of the game and D'Antoni was allowed to run unchecked with his "if we beat a team 127-121 it means we played the best defence" garbage. Nash can't even run the team effectively in a half court set-up he still trys to play like the old system and goes running into the paint and around the key getting into the way of Shaq and Amare (to a degree). Nash was humiliated by Parker in the playoffs last year but still refuses to play defence. Porter's doing a great job but some players (Nash and Bell especially) are beyond redemption.
D'Antoni is to blame for Nash being incapable defensively..?

Its not like this is a new thing, he's always been inept defensively. I don't think its fair to say he doesn't try either... he's just ridiculously inept on that end of the floor and combined with the rest of his skill sets he's better suited to a quicker paced game with as many possessions/shots as possible.

As for Amare, I'd say you have a point there though... never any attempt to get him up to par defensively.

[Cram]

Raptors sack Sam Mitchell. Could see it coming. This team was expected/hoping to be probably top 4-5 in the East and they're sucking at the moment. Bosh's play has been really the only major highlight so far, while Calderon has also been pretty good, Bargnani is showing signs of stepping up, and O'Neal seems to be providing a good secondary inside target (which will certainly have helped in Bosh's play).

The major problem here is wing play. Moon, Parker, Kapono, Graham. All are decent (dont get me started on Adams!), but none are really capable of taking over a game. None would start for a quality team. Andrea has been starting at 3 of late because of this, but this has led to one of the 2 other problems: Lack of reserve big men. Kris Humphries is ok, but certainly not up to being 3rd big. Jawaii hasnt made an appearance yet, and thats all they've got.

The other key area they're struggling in, is the reserve PG. Ukic will take some time to develop (as all international PG's do) and Solomon is suited to a 3rd string role.

Anyone know what Bonzi Wells is doing?

I'd like to see the Raptors go after JVG. I think he'd be able to get the most out of our frontline which is really our only strength.

[Cussy]

And take him off the ESPN commentary team? You selfish bastard!!

[Durbansandshark]

Let's see how Jay Triano performs as head coach after having been a longtime assistant in the Raptors organization. Good to see a Canadian actually coaching an NBA team, which is good for basketball's profile there.

[Cussy]

Rajan Rondo has a triple double against the Pacers, only a few minutes in to the second half.

[AngusH]

And take him off the ESPN commentary team? You selfish bastard!!

Agree 100%. He's a pleasure to listen to.

[Voice(s)]

I love my JVG, like you said he's a pleasure to listen to. I can't remember what game it was that we got but loved how he was needling Mark Jackson about looking so morose in his pre-season photo and was talking himself up as a happy go lucky guy with his pic of him and a huge fake smile. He's got a great basketball mind and is absolutely hilarious, I mean who could forget him flying around on the MSG floor attached to Zo's leg. :)

[UserFriendlyRoll]

Official word from the Air Canada Centre.

http://www.nba.com/raptors/news/mitchell_120308.html

[Voice(s)]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned it on here but a couple of weeks ago former NBA player Rodney Rogers was in a terrible accident. He works for his local council and fell off of his moped ATV thing. I was just reading an article on ESPN that it's now confirmed that he's paralysed from the neck down. Terrible news, I used to love his game especially when he first came into the league with Denver.

Big, massive guy with great range and one of my favourite NBA highlights of all time was when he hit those three consecutive 3's in like 8-9 seconds to win a game or send it into overtime or something. From all reports he's meant to be a really great guy too and obviously could've sat at home with his millions but after he retired started a trucking company and then went on to working for his local council and volunteering as a coach for a girls high school basketball team. Hopefully he's able to get the right care and enjoy the rest of his life.

[Raptors-Aussie]

Glad to See Mitchell go this season, he was doing nothing with the players he had and couldn't get the right match ups out on the floor.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned it on here but a couple of weeks ago former NBA player Rodney Rogers was in a terrible accident. He works for his local council and fell off of his moped ATV thing. I was just reading an article on ESPN that it's now confirmed that he's paralysed from the neck down. Terrible news, I used to love his game especially when he first came into the league with Denver.

Big, massive guy with great range and one of my favourite NBA highlights of all time was when he hit those three consecutive 3's in like 8-9 seconds to win a game or send it into overtime or something. From all reports he's meant to be a really great guy too and obviously could've sat at home with his millions but after he retired started a trucking company and then went on to working for his local council and volunteering as a coach for a girls high school basketball team. Hopefully he's able to get the right care and enjoy the rest of his life.
Agreed. I was very happy to se the Suns get him because it meant going with the "nice guys".

[Voice(s)]

For anyone unfamiliar with Rodney Rogers I drummed up a couple of You Tube clips, shame neither has the awesome 360 he did on a fast break in his Nuggets days.

The first clip is of those three consecutive three's he hit against Utah:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=rhCy8q2p5Jw

and this one is like a highlights clip of his NBA career:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=2YEfjpGR2SM

[Durbansandshark]

The Grim Reeper really must be enthused about claiming head coaches at this time already--and we're not even at the quarter way yet before Xmas. Randy "Sly" Wittman is the latest to lose his job. And McHale's coaching again. Oh, get rid of that new court you guys now have! It's awful for your 20 years of existence. :x

http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/550202

[Mike]

that firing wasnt exactly surprising, the Wolves have been pathetic ever since they went to the western conference finals back in 04. they couldnt put a team round KG to make the extra step (cheers latrell) and now theyre rebuilding effort has gone to shit so far (trading B Roy for fucking Foye?!?!), hey need to make a major splash in the '10 free agency to put someone next to Jefferson and hope like fuck that Roye and Love develop into the players their high draft picks dictated they should turn into

[Voice(s)]

The Diesel dropped 35 on Bogus in the Suns win over the Bucks today. Unfortunately Shaq will be missing tomorrow's game vs the Lakers on :espn: due to a funeral.

[Da Houndawg #55]

that firing wasnt exactly surprising, the Wolves have been pathetic ever since they went to the western conference finals back in 04. they couldnt put a team round KG to make the extra step (cheers latrell) and now theyre rebuilding effort has gone to shit so far (trading B Roy for fucking Foye?!?!), hey need to make a major splash in the '10 free agency to put someone next to Jefferson and hope like fuck that Roye and Love develop into the players their high draft picks dictated they should turn into
It was the T/Wolves killing two birds with one stone... the real reason was to get rid of McHale from the GM role... McHale's options were basically take the head coach role or get the fuck out.

[Shannon Noll]

Watch the SICK highlights of LeBron today vs the Raptors on espn.com

The Cavs to win this season, with LeBron MVP and Finals MVP.

[Mike]

[quote="Big Mike":1yu06i2t]that firing wasnt exactly surprising, the Wolves have been pathetic ever since they went to the western conference finals back in 04. they couldnt put a team round KG to make the extra step (cheers latrell) and now theyre rebuilding effort has gone to shit so far (trading B Roy for fucking Foye?!?!), hey need to make a major splash in the '10 free agency to put someone next to Jefferson and hope like fuck that Roye and Love develop into the players their high draft picks dictated they should turn into
It was the T/Wolves killing two birds with one stone... the real reason was to get rid of McHale from the GM role... McHale's options were basically take the head coach role or get the fuck out.[/quote:1yu06i2t]
who's the new GM, i thort he was doubling up

[stellation]

The Diesel dropped 35 on Bogus in the Suns win over the Bucks today. Unfortunately Shaq will be missing tomorrow's game vs the Lakers on :espn: due to a funeral.
If you caught the game, he didn't drop 35 on Bogut- he dropped 20+ on Elson/Gadzuric. Bogut was in foul trouble and only played 25 or so minutes (but still put up solid numbers himself).

It was fun watching Shaq play well, though. Half his shots were just all arse (as is Shaq himself) and he knew it, he scored one basket in the first quarter where he got a deep catch and just turned sideways seemingly for a hook shot but did some bizzare sideways half long distance lay-up, half pushed hook shot that kissed the glass and fell straight in.

[Clips]

"Would you let someone go into your house, smack your wife around, make a sandwich and change the channel on your TV? We're disgusted with ourselves."

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Da Houndawg #55]

[quote="Da Houndawg #55":2n4masad][quote="Big Mike":2n4masad]that firing wasnt exactly surprising, the Wolves have been pathetic ever since they went to the western conference finals back in 04. they couldnt put a team round KG to make the extra step (cheers latrell) and now theyre rebuilding effort has gone to shit so far (trading B Roy for fucking Foye?!?!), hey need to make a major splash in the '10 free agency to put someone next to Jefferson and hope like fuck that Roye and Love develop into the players their high draft picks dictated they should turn into
It was the T/Wolves killing two birds with one stone... the real reason was to get rid of McHale from the GM role... McHale's options were basically take the head coach role or get the fuck out.[/quote:2n4masad]
who's the new GM, i thort he was doubling up[/quote:2n4masad]
I could have confused with VP position...

[Voice(s)]

The Diesel dropped 35 on Bogus in the Suns win over the Bucks today. Unfortunately Shaq will be missing tomorrow's game vs the Lakers on :espn: due to a funeral.
If you caught the game, he didn't drop 35 on Bogut- he dropped 20+ on Elson/Gadzuric. Bogut was in foul trouble and only played 25 or so minutes (but still put up solid numbers himself).

It was fun watching Shaq play well, though. Half his shots were just all arse (as is Shaq himself) and he knew it, he scored one basket in the first quarter where he got a deep catch and just turned sideways seemingly for a hook shot but did some bizzare sideways half long distance lay-up, half pushed hook shot that kissed the glass and fell straight in.

No, I didnt see the game. I was working off the fact he kills Bogut. Put up 29 & 11 on him just a few weeks ago too. However, considering Shaq would be lucky to make one "arsey" shot a game and yet you claim 7 of his 14 were arse? Come on now. You and I both know he wasn't hitting turnaround jumpers and fade aways with two defenders on him falling out of court.

[Voice(s)]

"Would you let someone go into your house, smack your wife around, make a sandwich and change the channel on your TV? We're disgusted with ourselves."

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Awesome quote that.

[Da Houndawg #55]

[quote="Voice(s)":1g0dv0ua]The Diesel dropped 35 on Bogus in the Suns win over the Bucks today. Unfortunately Shaq will be missing tomorrow's game vs the Lakers on :espn: due to a funeral.
If you caught the game, he didn't drop 35 on Bogut- he dropped 20+ on Elson/Gadzuric. Bogut was in foul trouble and only played 25 or so minutes (but still put up solid numbers himself).

It was fun watching Shaq play well, though. Half his shots were just all arse (as is Shaq himself) and he knew it, he scored one basket in the first quarter where he got a deep catch and just turned sideways seemingly for a hook shot but did some bizzare sideways half long distance lay-up, half pushed hook shot that kissed the glass and fell straight in.

No, I didnt see the game. I was working off the fact he kills Bogut. Put up 29 & 11 on him just a few weeks ago too. However, considering Shaq would be lucky to make one "arsey" shot a game and yet you claim 7 of his 14 were arse? Come on now. You and I both know he wasn't hitting turnaround jumpers and fade aways with two defenders on him falling out of court.[/quote:1g0dv0ua]
I would suggest that the "arsey" shots coming across the lane cease to be "arsey" when he's consistently done it for so many years (albeit with a quiet patch at Miami where the team was going away from him)...

[Mike]

[quote="Big Mike":2ee9dy9i][quote="Da Houndawg #55":2ee9dy9i][quote="Big Mike":2ee9dy9i]that firing wasnt exactly surprising, the Wolves have been pathetic ever since they went to the western conference finals back in 04. they couldnt put a team round KG to make the extra step (cheers latrell) and now theyre rebuilding effort has gone to shit so far (trading B Roy for fucking Foye?!?!), hey need to make a major splash in the '10 free agency to put someone next to Jefferson and hope like fuck that Roye and Love develop into the players their high draft picks dictated they should turn into
It was the T/Wolves killing two birds with one stone... the real reason was to get rid of McHale from the GM role... McHale's options were basically take the head coach role or get the fuck out.[/quote:2ee9dy9i]
who's the new GM, i thort he was doubling up[/quote:2ee9dy9i]
I could have confused with VP position...[/quote:2ee9dy9i]
here's a secret, i dont care about the T'wolves front office.

[stellation]

[quote="Voice(s)":13feqond]The Diesel dropped 35 on Bogus in the Suns win over the Bucks today. Unfortunately Shaq will be missing tomorrow's game vs the Lakers on :espn: due to a funeral.
If you caught the game, he didn't drop 35 on Bogut- he dropped 20+ on Elson/Gadzuric. Bogut was in foul trouble and only played 25 or so minutes (but still put up solid numbers himself).

It was fun watching Shaq play well, though. Half his shots were just all arse (as is Shaq himself) and he knew it, he scored one basket in the first quarter where he got a deep catch and just turned sideways seemingly for a hook shot but did some bizzare sideways half long distance lay-up, half pushed hook shot that kissed the glass and fell straight in.

No, I didnt see the game. I was working off the fact he kills Bogut. Put up 29 & 11 on him just a few weeks ago too. However, considering Shaq would be lucky to make one "arsey" shot a game and yet you claim 7 of his 14 were arse? Come on now. You and I both know he wasn't hitting turnaround jumpers and fade aways with two defenders on him falling out of court.[/quote:13feqond]
Don't get me wrong- he did kill Bogut when he was on him :D He was in the zone and it was fun to watch.

And no, not half his shots were arsey- but he did have few (and he did it against all the guys that tried to defend him, it's not just an excuse for Bogut) that he popped in that were a bit whacky.

[Shannon Noll]

Suns get Jason Richardson!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3760914

[Clips]

Melo matches NBA record with 33 points in 3rd quarter. (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap;_ylt=Aq29lxon_8md07mmHfvmyhG8vLYF?gid=200812 1007&prov=ap)

:shock: :shock:

[Voice(s)]

I'm absolutely loving that Suns trade. Jason Richardson, Jared Dudley and a second round pick for Raja Bell, Boris Diaw and Sean Singletary. Thank you very much Mr. Jordan. To quote Mac from the movie Predator, "Gonna have me some fun".

Also Cuttino Mobley retired today.

[Moth]

I'm absolutely loving that Suns trade. Jason Richardson, Jared Dudley and a second round pick for Raja Bell, Boris Diaw and Sean Singletary. Thank you very much Mr. Jordan.

Or thank you very much, Larry Brown?

But agree, nice deal for the Suns.

[Moth]

Mo' Cheeks the latest coach to get the arse. Teams quick on the trigger this season.

[Moth]

Now Reggie Theus gone. This one doesn't make sense to me. Sure, the Kings aren't good, but look at their roster and then take into account their best player has basically been injured the whole season. Add the fact I thought he got good results last season considering their roster.

[Durbansandshark]

I agree with you there wholeheartedly, Moth.

This league-wide coaching firing isn't funny anymore. Mo Cheeks is one of the nicest guys out there in the NBA. Reggie Theus couldn't channel his Coach Fuller (a Hang Time reference as Deering High coach--not a very good show anyway...) in the eyes of the Maloofs enough (or is that really Geoff Petrie?). But that's the rotten legacy of the Now Deservedly Crumbling Evil Laker Empire at work here again (remember 2002). Perhaps Theus should dabble into acting again a bit until another job offer came ahead. Can I ever recall a time when NBA coaching has gotten this very cutthroat so soon?

[Clips]

I'd happily give all those coaches their jobs back in exchange for the firing of Mike Dunleavy.

[Moth]

I agree with you there wholeheartedly, Moth.

This league-wide coaching firing isn't funny anymore. Mo Cheeks is one of the nicest guys out there in the NBA. Reggie Theus couldn't channel his Coach Fuller (a Hang Time reference as Deering High coach--not a very good show anyway...) in the eyes of the Maloofs enough (or is that really Geoff Petrie?). But that's the rotten legacy of the Now Deservedly Crumbling Evil Laker Empire at work here again (remember 2002). Perhaps Theus should dabble into acting again a bit until another job offer came ahead. Can I ever recall a time when NBA coaching has gotten this very cutthroat so soon?

To be honest I can understand the Cheeks one more. Sixers coming off a breakthrough play-off season then add a marquee free agent and appear to be going backwards, although I still thought it was a reasonably quick trigger, at least it did make some sense to me.

[stellation]

Reason to hate the Lakers #817294374: Luke Walton can't crack the rotation, is stuck to the end of the bench and averaging 4 mpg, 1.3 ppg and 0.7 apg whilst the Lakers are racking up a ridiculous record. Crazy Phil decides "we're very good, but because I'm crazy I'm not happy!" and the way to make himself happy is to improve ball movement... they're not getting much ball movement from the starting SF spot, but he wants to keep Odom as sixth man (and I believe has not once this year used an Odom/Gasol/Bynum lineup for any stretch of a game) so he throws a bone to Luke Walton who gets the start out of nowhere and puts up 5.3 apg (+ 6.3ppg) at a frighteningly efficient 8:1 a:to ratio!

[Clips]

If I was a chick, I would be Luke Walton's other stalker.

[stellation]

I remember watching a youtube clip about a basketball camp that Luke Walton and Richard Jefferson run, it was pretty interesting and it's apparently the number 1 camp to get kids into mainly because unlike camps run by other star players Luke and RJ are all actually there all day, every day running drills like any other coach there and hanging out with the kids. The funny part was that it showed footage of both of them there, and Luke was doing something there was a heap of girls from the camp who all looked like they were giggling and paying more attention to his arse than what he was actually doing.

[stellation]

Walton had 14/5/2 today in another start too. Fucking Lakers! :argh:

Don't get me wrong, I like Luke.. but... DAMN LAKERS! Why does Phil get to be so stacked that when he goes to the end of the bench he can just throw the guy straight into the starting lineup and have it work!?!?!?!

[stellation]

This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlRdyJdhrGs) clip from when Walton was still glued to the bench made me laugh, though.

[Clips]

Link wouldn't load for me, but I'm guessing the good 3 minute comments from Farmar? :lol:

[stellation]

Yeah, Farmar's getting interviewed after a game in the change rooms and Walton walks past and bumps into him pretty hard. Farmar calls out something like "Thanks Luke, hey- way to play 3 minutes out there!". :lol:

[Da Houndawg #55]

I remember watching a youtube clip about a basketball camp that Luke Walton and Richard Jefferson run, it was pretty interesting and it's apparently the number 1 camp to get kids into mainly because unlike camps run by other star players Luke and RJ are all actually there all day, every day running drills like any other coach there and hanging out with the kids. The funny part was that it showed footage of both of them there, and Luke was doing something there was a heap of girls from the camp who all looked like they were giggling and paying more attention to his arse than what he was actually doing.
Zona WOOT!

[Voice(s)]

Suns lose to Portland with Roy going off for 52 and Steve Blake putting up 22 and 10 on Nash. Like a broken record this.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Suns lose to Portland with Roy going off for 52 and Steve Blake putting up 22 and 10 on Nash. Like a broken record this.
You can't help but think that Roy probably wouldn't be getting 50 on Raja...

And I quite like Steve Blake... but how many other players do you think he could put up a game like that on..?

[Raptors-Aussie]

Hahaha my Raptors lost to the Oklahoma City Thunder !! Thunder Move to 3-24 while the Raptors go to 10-16. The Raptors are in big trouble this season, also J.O getting injured during the game.

[Voice(s)]

[quote="Voice(s)":3vkgsjyd]Suns lose to Portland with Roy going off for 52 and Steve Blake putting up 22 and 10 on Nash. Like a broken record this.
You can't help but think that Roy probably wouldn't be getting 50 on Raja...

And I quite like Steve Blake... but how many other players do you think he could put up a game like that on..?[/quote:3vkgsjyd]

I dont know Bell is not the player he was defensively. Wade helped himself to 43 on him if the memory serves me correctly.

Hey I've always liked Steve Blake too but Nash certainly likes getting lit up. Devin Harris and his 47 comes to mind. I dont think I've seen a worse player defensively than Nash but the scary part is perhaps the second worst defender I've seen is Amare. The Suns are now going back to playing run and gun (for whatever reason) so there will be a few more 40 and 50 point games to be had against them in the future.

[Shannon Noll]

Mavs suck. How good would we be if we had Devin Harris right now? Nice trade, Cuban. D-Hizzle puts up 41 and 12 against old man Kidd.

[Moth]

Mavs suck. How good would we be if we had Devin Harris right now? Nice trade, Cuban. D-Hizzle puts up 41 and 12 against old man Kidd.

Yep, great to see. Good to see Harris stick it right up 'em. What a brilliant trade by the Nets. Got the better, younger & cheaper player and if memory serves me correct also beneficial draft picks-wise and expiring salaries-wise. Should we be blaming Avery Johnson for not letting Harris cut loose? From all reports he kept the cuffs on this guy.

[Shannon Noll]

Word is Cavs are looking to trade Wally World for Vinsanity. espn.com

Also, Mavs looking to trade for a scoring 2/3 or centre. Mavs with a centre, that would be different.

[Durbansandshark]

Dallas really still needs SIZE not a return of Jason Kidd.

In case you didn't notice, Antoine Walker was released by Memphis. Not that he was going to do anything meaningful with the Grizzlies anyway.

[Shannon Noll]

Seems the Suns have things rolling a little better right now, 108-101 victory over the Nuggets with Nash coming up clutch with two 3's to ice it. Nash 16, Amare 27 and 10, Shaq 19 & 9, J-Rich 19, Grant Hill 11.

Also, the Suns are leading the league in FG% for the 5th straight year. Keep running boys!

[HunterPirates]

Also, Mavs looking to trade for a scoring 2/3 or centre. Mavs with a centre, that would be different.

Bogut...Hopefully he could rebound the ball where Dirk refuses to.

[Optimal Crime]

Cant believe there are no games till Saturday. God Fox is shit.

[Shannon Noll]

Dirk to consider pay cut to help Mavs in Summer of 2010:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3788225

If I were Dirk I would be campaigning for Chris Bosh. That would make Dallas instant contenders.

[Durbansandshark]

Come Christmas Day, look for three new 30-second "Where amazing happens" campaign commercials make their debut during their five broadcasted games. They will feature Greg Oden, Pau Gasol, and LeBron James. Will the Gasol spot feature Spanish in his?

[Voice(s)]

Steve Francis has been traded to the Grizzlies. I wonder if he'll refuse to play for them again this time. The then Vancouver Grizzlies drafted Francis and he pulled a Kobe refusing to ever play for them so they traded him to Houston. The irony is he now will have to play for them if he has any intentions of continuing his NBA career beyond this current season.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Steve Francis has been traded to the Grizzlies. I wonder if he'll refuse to play for them again this time. The then Vancouver Grizzlies drafted Francis and he pulled a Kobe refusing to ever play for them so they traded him to Houston. The irony is he now will have to play for them if he has any intentions of continuing his NBA career beyond this current season.
He's probably a lot happier to play in Memphis than Vancouver... although the team sucks worse now than it did when he got drafted.

[Cracker]

Just wondering if anyone here is suscribed to the NBA broadband league pass? Is it worth it and what kind of quality is it?

[Voice(s)]

The Suns beat the Thunder today and the Diesel just keeps on rolling. 28 & 12 on 10-12 shooting in 31 minutes. Nash left the game early and supposedly Amare got in to foul trouble.

[Clips]

Amare fouled out in 23 mins, I guess thats trouble :P

Nash didn't play after the first quarter.

[The Glove]

I'll walk from my place to anywhere naked if the Thunder take out the worst record ever! ... Just cause I can and I wanna see it !!! (The Thunder that is, not me lol)

[Homer]

Just wondering if anyone here is suscribed to the NBA broadband league pass? Is it worth it and what kind of quality is it?Yep, I've got it Cracker.
Firstly, if you've got unlimited broadband you'll be OK. It takes up heaps of download time.
Next, you won't know how well it will hit your place until you actually sign up.
When I signed up it buffered badly. I mean every 5 seconds. It was unwatchable.
I asked a few geek mates and the suggested more RAM so now I have 2.25 gig. It seems OK.
Because with broadband you share a cable with everyone else, by the time the message reaches you,
the amount of cable available to you might be too low. I'm told ADSL is fine.
I watch it now and it varies how often it buffers but I think the day I signed up was just a busy one.
Because the Raptors play either late morning or early afternoon it tends to be pretty good.
They don't have many Aus fans so it might buffer every 4-5 minutes, then only for a second or 2.
The quality when it's actually up and running is fantastic.
Mate, it's live NBA and you don't have to watch whatever they want to show you.
You watch what you want to watch. When you want to watch it, if you miss it live.
It worked out to be about AUD$128.00 when I signed up. Don't know the conversion ATM.

[Cram]

Big game by Bogut today. 20 points (9-13, 2-2) 14 rebounds, 4 assists 3 blocks in a big road win over San Antonio while also doing a good job on Timmy on D. Played the whole second half.

[HunterPirates]

Hope he can keep up this 20-10 stuff.

[Voice(s)]

The Suns beat the Grizzlies today and Shaq having another strong game on both games of the back-to-back with 24 points, 13 boards and 3 blocks. Looks like he wants to be an all-star again this season. He moved into 9th all-time in scoring yesterday and then into 8th all-time today and the next one he'll go right through will be Hakeem.

However, the biggest news in this game was my boy Hamed Haddadi making his NBA debut and thus becoming the first Iranian to ever play in the NBA.

Good times people, good times.

[djrod]

It's a bit rough having to wake up at 5am, on New Years day to watch the NBA game live! :argh:

I suppose that is what you have to do if ya wanna watch your fave team, Bulls go around against your fave player at the moment in a very raw Howard.

Plus I have Reshard Lewis in NBA Pick One Challenge today...

[Shannon Noll]

Marbury to the Celtics?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3804977

[Clips]

Oh god I hope not...

I'm not interested in a Celtics repeat if Starbury does join them.

[Durbansandshark]

He's too selfish for them. Otherwise, KG, Ray, and the Truth better set him straight.

[HunterPirates]

Bogut dropped 2 points of the Bobcats.

[Clips]

Didn't get much of a look though. Redd was 9 of 12 and 7 of 8 at the line for 28 points at half time.

[Voice(s)]

How excrutiating are the Lakers commentators? You can't get bigger homers or more biased and have been for years. Stu Lantz is an absolute figment of what he once was and would have to be one of the worst commentators associated with the NBA. That Lakers/Jazz game today was pretty hard to take because of it. Rick Fox and Norm Nixon hanging on doing the half-time report was terrible too.

[Coachpete]

You had to love Gasol's between the legs from the back dribble and no look assist in transition in garbage time though :lol:

[Clips]

It was awesome. :D :D

[Clips]

There's either a trade to come out of Clippernation, or GM/"coach" Dunleavy will be murdered for making crazy moves.

Clippers today waived Fred Jones, who started at PG 48 hours ago and Paul Davis, making Kaman the last Clipper thats has been around for 18+ months.

There's rumors swirling of a 3 way trade (http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/56392/20090105/camby_back_to_new_york_in_three_way_with_portland/) involving Portland and NY that will send Camby and Frye both back to the Knicks again, David Lee to the Blazers and Q Rich to the Clippers.

The David Lee to Portland rumor has been reported a few times of late, and I don't get it. Why would they bring Lee in to play off the bench behind Aldridge? The trade would be fine for New York, Camby will play well in the uptempo 'Antoni (No D) system.

Unless there is more to it, I don't understand from the Clippers POV, Kaman and Randolph must be just around the corner from return. Q Rich would eat in to Eric Gordon's development minutes, which is what the rest of this season should realistically be looked at from the SG position.

[Da Houndawg #55]

I'd be surprised to see that, D'Antoni loves David Lee...

[Clips]

I'd be surprised to see that, D'Antoni loves David Lee...
Well thats the other thing I couldn't figure out. There were a few rumors last season that 'Antoni wanted to trade to bring Lee into his system.

[j-mac]

Nuggets traded little used (and mostly D-Leaguer) Cheik Samb to the Clippers for a future 2nd round pick, getting them under luxury tax, unless all players met their bonus entitlements.
They then traded Chucky Atkins and this year's first round pick (lottery protected) to OKC Thunder for Johan Petro and this year's 2nd round pick, getting them under luxury tax.

Gets the Nuggets a true big man, which they desperately needed and gets rid of Atkins who was being paid $3M+ to sit on the bench.
Not sure if Petro is quite what we were hoping for, but the team really just needed a genuine centre to give Nenê and Kenyon Martin rest. And he is still only 22, in his 4th NBA season.
As long as Petro grabs rebounds, plays D well and doesn't fuck up the offence (a 7-footer who shoots below 50% :shock: so far - not good), this is a good move. Actually in each of his first 2 seasons shot over 50%, in more minutes than he gets now. And with Billups passing instead of Westbrook scoring, could be better. Supposed to be a good defender of the pick-and-roll, which the Nuggets apparently still struggle with a bit. We'll see.

[Shannon Noll]

Cavs rout the Celtics 98-83. LeBron drops 38. You know who's going to the Finals. King James and his band of merry men.

[Voice(s)]

Great game to watch and a very good all around peformance today by the Suns with the beatdown on the Mavs. :)

[Shannon Noll]

LeBron and Pierce beef:

Oct. 28, 2008: In the season opener, the Cavs walk off the floor and stay in the locker room for the ceremony when the Celtics receive their championship rings and raise their championship banner.

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf ... ltics.html (http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2009/01/learning_from_the_best_celtics.html)

The article also explains a few other incidents in the Cavs-Celtics recent rivalry. Were people familiar with this? LeBron is so poised and professional it's hard to see him in a spat with anyone. Either way, he's gonna have the last laugh this season and down the track end up with more rings than Pierce, Allen, and Ticket.

[elton branded]

Great game to watch and a very good all around peformance today by the Suns with the beatdown on the Mavs. :)

I know the Suns were pretty good today, but i would like to go on record and suggest that we change the name of the city the Mavs play out of to Allas, clearly there is no D in them at all. They're all bad!!! And Jason Terry needs to shoot less. Dirk sooking all second half didn't help. Very impressed with J-Rich today.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Well we can't call them "Dallas", cos there's no "D", and we can't cal them "Pallas" because there's no fight in them either...

"Allas" is as good a name as any for them, but I'd prefer it spelt "Alice"... although "Tiffany" suits them well also, I don't know... doesn't sound as misleadingly macho as "Allas" or "Alice"...

[Shannon Noll]

LeBron punks Chris Bosh's girlfriend!

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=tSPecsG63 ... re=related (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=tSPecsG63EU&feature=related)

How good is this guy?!

[Voice(s)]

Well we can't call them "Dallas", cos there's no "D", and we can't cal them "Pallas" because there's no fight in them either...

"Allas" is as good a name as any for them, but I'd prefer it spelt "Alice"... although "Tiffany" suits them well also, I don't know... doesn't sound as misleadingly macho as "Allas" or "Alice"...

FYI, Dallas are one of the better defensive teams in the league this season.

[HunterPirates]

LeBron punks Chris Bosh's girlfriend!

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=tSPecsG63 ... re=related (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=tSPecsG63EU&feature=related)

How good is this guy?!


Well, let's not beat around the bush, he's the king of the universe...

[elton branded]

[quote="Da Houndawg #55":2folvwc5]Well we can't call them "Dallas", cos there's no "D", and we can't cal them "Pallas" because there's no fight in them either...

"Allas" is as good a name as any for them, but I'd prefer it spelt "Alice"... although "Tiffany" suits them well also, I don't know... doesn't sound as misleadingly macho as "Allas" or "Alice"...

FYI, Dallas are one of the better defensive teams in the league this season.[/quote:2folvwc5]

Not from what was shown on Saturday they aren't, facts or no facts. They plain stunk!!!

[smittys07]

FYI, Dallas are one of the better defensive teams in the league this season.

Uh, based on what exactly? The Mavs are an extremely middle-of-the-road team, sitting 15th in points allowed per game, with 97.8.
And their differential ain't much better, placing them 13th ... and they lost to Sacramento today. Not a good sign.
Playoffs? It's going to be really close, they're tied with Utah for the 8th spot and even if they do make it, they're not getting out of the first round.*

*Barring a trade bordering on grand larceny - ie: Ason Kidd for Devin Harris. Eh? Oh.

[Clips]

Someone check Mehmet's pulse because the man is unconscious.

At 3/4 time, he has played only 20 minutes for 41 points, (12-16 fg, 3-3 3s, 14-15 ft) to9 go with 8 boards, 3 assists and a steal. No turnovers either :shock:

[Voice(s)]

FYI, Dallas are one of the better defensive teams in the league this season.

Uh, based on what exactly? The Mavs are an extremely middle-of-the-road team, sitting 15th in points allowed per game, with 97.8.
And their differential ain't much better, placing them 13th ... and they lost to Sacramento today. Not a good sign.
Playoffs? It's going to be really close, they're tied with Utah for the 8th spot and even if they do make it, they're not getting out of the first round.*

*Barring a trade bordering on grand larceny - ie: Ason Kidd for Devin Harris. Eh? Oh.

Umm, based on the stats? Yes, they're middle of the road in opposition scoring but are also 7th in opposition FG%. Supposedly the game against Phoenix was just the second time this season anyone has shot 50% in a game against them too.

[smittys07]

[quote="Voice(s)":skq4kq9v]FYI, Dallas are one of the better defensive teams in the league this season.

Uh, based on what exactly? The Mavs are an extremely middle-of-the-road team, sitting 15th in points allowed per game, with 97.8.
And their differential ain't much better, placing them 13th ... and they lost to Sacramento today. Not a good sign.
Playoffs? It's going to be really close, they're tied with Utah for the 8th spot and even if they do make it, they're not getting out of the first round.*

*Barring a trade bordering on grand larceny - ie: Ason Kidd for Devin Harris. Eh? Oh.

Umm, based on the stats? Yes, they're middle of the road in opposition scoring but are also 7th in opposition FG%. Supposedly the game against Phoenix was just the second time this season anyone has shot 50% in a game against them too.[/quote:skq4kq9v]

Point taken but I still don't consider them good defensively. They're giving up more points than they have since the 2003/04 season and their scoring is also down ever-so-slightly. When you talk about elite defensive teams, they're not one of the teams that immediately leap to mind. I just thought the description "one of the better defensive teams" was a bit of a stretch.

[Clips]

Someone check Mehmet's pulse because the man is unconscious.

At 3/4 time, he has played only 20 minutes for 41 points, (12-16 fg, 3-3 3s, 14-15 ft) to9 go with 8 boards, 3 assists and a steal. No turnovers either :shock: I hope they checked his pulse again afterwards, because he might as well have been dead.

4th qtr stats: 2 points, (1-6 fg, 0-1 3s, 0-0 fts) 1 boards, Blocked once, and a Tyrell Owens to top it off.

[j-mac]

[quote="Voice(s)":3v332n98]FYI, Dallas are one of the better defensive teams in the league this season.

Uh, based on what exactly? The Mavs are an extremely middle-of-the-road team, sitting 15th in points allowed per game, with 97.8.
And their differential ain't much better, placing them 13th ... and they lost to Sacramento today. Not a good sign.
Playoffs? It's going to be really close, they're tied with Utah for the 8th spot and even if they do make it, they're not getting out of the first round.*

*Barring a trade bordering on grand larceny - ie: Ason Kidd for Devin Harris. Eh? Oh.

Umm, based on the stats? Yes, they're middle of the road in opposition scoring but are also 7th in opposition FG%. Supposedly the game against Phoenix was just the second time this season anyone has shot 50% in a game against them too.

Point taken but I still don't consider them good defensively. They're giving up more points than they have since the 2003/04 season and their scoring is also down ever-so-slightly. When you talk about elite defensive teams, they're not one of the teams that immediately leap to mind. I just thought the description "one of the better defensive teams" was a bit of a stretch.[/quote:3v332n98]
Dallas give up 107.7 points per 100 possessions, 13th in the league.
Middle of the road.

[Mr bEn]

For those who didn't watch the Lakers @ Spurs game this afternoon, make sure you catch the replay tonight. One of the best games you will see in this regular season. The final thirty second is absolutely off the hook with thee 'game-winning' baskets sunk in succession.

[Shannon Noll]

On ESPN?

[Cussy]

For those who didn't watch the Lakers @ Spurs game this afternoon, make sure you catch the replay tonight. One of the best games you will see in this regular season. The final thirty second is absolutely off the hook with thee 'game-winning' baskets sunk in succession.
And one 'game-ruining' whistle too.

[Clips]

I caught the end of this one on Yahoo play by play, without taking into consideration there a would be a game on ESPN. :x


Nice long 3OT game in Golden State today..

[Shannon Noll]

Caught the second half of the Lakers Spurs game. Bonehead foul by Fisher after gambling and missing on the steal, fouling Mason from behind. I can't believe Kobe passed it off on the last possession! Thought he'd have thought, "There's no effing way I'm letting anyone else screw this up!" and took the shot. Jordan would have taken that shot. Except for that time he kicked it to Steve Kerr.

[Cussy]

I didn't see much of a foul from Fisher, more of a mid-air seizure by Mason. And Kobe was trapped on the sideline - he really had no option to pass it off. Ariza was bumped, took two steps and whistled for no reason.

[smittys07]

Jordan would have taken that shot. Except for that time he kicked it to Steve Kerr.
:roll: Or the time he tried to kick it to Pippen against Orlando in the 96 conference semis (and threw it away) ... or the time he did pass it to Pippen against Sacramento for the game winner ... or the time he dished off to Wennington for the game winning dunk against the Knicks (the double nickel game) ... can we please, pleasejust ditch the MJ/Kobe comparisons? I thought that was decided after the 2008 Finals.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Jordan would have taken that shot. Except for that time he kicked it to Steve Kerr.
:roll: Or the time he tried to kick it to Pippen against Orlando in the 96 conference semis (and threw it away) ... or the time he did pass it to Pippen against Sacramento for the game winner ... or the time he dished off to Wennington for the game winning dunk against the Knicks (the double nickel game) ... can we please, pleasejust ditch the MJ/Kobe comparisons? I thought that was decided after the 2008 Finals.
PAAAAAXSON! :argh:

I'll curse that name 'til the day I die!

[Cussy]

That wasn't MJ.

[smittys07]

[quote="Shannon Noll":3mn75e1s] Jordan would have taken that shot. Except for that time he kicked it to Steve Kerr.
:roll: Or the time he tried to kick it to Pippen against Orlando in the 96 conference semis (and threw it away) ... or the time he did pass it to Pippen against Sacramento for the game winner ... or the time he dished off to Wennington for the game winning dunk against the Knicks (the double nickel game) ... can we please, pleasejust ditch the MJ/Kobe comparisons? I thought that was decided after the 2008 Finals.
PAAAAAXSON! :argh:

I'll curse that name 'til the day I die![/quote:3mn75e1s]

You mean the 3-peat shot?
Didn't Horace panic and kick it to him?

[Shannon Noll]

Haha, couldn't remember if it was Kerr or Paxson, took a stab.

[Da Houndawg #55]

[quote="Shannon Noll":3fwe68bz] Jordan would have taken that shot. Except for that time he kicked it to Steve Kerr.
:roll: Or the time he tried to kick it to Pippen against Orlando in the 96 conference semis (and threw it away) ... or the time he did pass it to Pippen against Sacramento for the game winner ... or the time he dished off to Wennington for the game winning dunk against the Knicks (the double nickel game) ... can we please, pleasejust ditch the MJ/Kobe comparisons? I thought that was decided after the 2008 Finals.
PAAAAAXSON! :argh:

I'll curse that name 'til the day I die!

You mean the 3-peat shot?
Didn't Horace panic and kick it to him?[/quote:3fwe68bz]
Yes, but Kobe never would have given it up to Pip with too little time to get the ball back either...

[smittys07]

[quote=smittys07][quote="Shannon Noll":3t16p4a6] Jordan would have taken that shot. Except for that time he kicked it to Steve Kerr.
:roll: Or the time he tried to kick it to Pippen against Orlando in the 96 conference semis (and threw it away) ... or the time he did pass it to Pippen against Sacramento for the game winner ... or the time he dished off to Wennington for the game winning dunk against the Knicks (the double nickel game) ... can we please, pleasejust ditch the MJ/Kobe comparisons? I thought that was decided after the 2008 Finals.
PAAAAAXSON! :argh:

I'll curse that name 'til the day I die!

You mean the 3-peat shot?
Didn't Horace panic and kick it to him?[/quote:3t16p4a6]
Yes, but Kobe never would have given it up to Pip with too little time to get the ball back either...[/quote:3t16p4a6]
You mean MJ to Pip?

[Da Houndawg #55]

[quote=smittys07][quote="Shannon Noll":27vu38td] Jordan would have taken that shot. Except for that time he kicked it to Steve Kerr.
:roll: Or the time he tried to kick it to Pippen against Orlando in the 96 conference semis (and threw it away) ... or the time he did pass it to Pippen against Sacramento for the game winner ... or the time he dished off to Wennington for the game winning dunk against the Knicks (the double nickel game) ... can we please, pleasejust ditch the MJ/Kobe comparisons? I thought that was decided after the 2008 Finals.
PAAAAAXSON! :argh:

I'll curse that name 'til the day I die!

You mean the 3-peat shot?
Didn't Horace panic and kick it to him?
Yes, but Kobe never would have given it up to Pip with too little time to get the ball back either...[/quote:27vu38td]
You mean MJ to Pip?[/quote:27vu38td]
No, MJ did give it to Pip... I'm saying Kobe wouldn't have.

[smittys07]

No, MJ did give it to Pip... I'm saying Kobe wouldn't have.
Ah OK, I get it now ... apparently the Chicago coaches couldn't believe how quickly Horace got rid of the ball, basically saying he wanted no part of being responsible for taking what would have been a game-tying shot, albeit it would have been a dunk given how close to the basket he was. Given that he hit Pax, who had an unforgiveable amount of space around him, well, it turned out pretty OK.
Having said that, what everyone forgets is that he subsequently blocked KJ at the other end on the final play, ensuring the Suns never even got a shot up.

[Cussy]

Here's the footage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMzY3n0S4-4

[Da Houndawg #55]

I assure you I didn't forget that either... I've been festering on it for 15 years...

[Cussy]

I don't look at what Horace did as panicking. He was in a good spot but perhaps not a comfortable scoring position, he knew Paxson was wide open so he kicked it straight to him.

[Shannon Noll]

Haha good for Horace, this is the play I was talking about though...

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=S2BlOTeoZ ... re=related (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=S2BlOTeoZVE&feature=related)

Steve... KERR!

[Shannon Noll]

Kobe Bryant wants to sell you ankle insurance...

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=cPnRFkPWyDM

[smittys07]

I don't look at what Horace did as panicking. He was in a good spot but perhaps not a comfortable scoring position, he knew Paxson was wide open so he kicked it straight to him.
No I didn't either, but I thought it was interesting that the Bulls coaches thought he did ... for whatever reason MJ never thought highly of Horace, deriding his intelligence (or lack thereof) and was heard to say that the second 3-peat would never have happened if Horace was still with the Bulls, that Grant went missing in the big games.

[Cussy]

Lack of intellegence? He wore glasses on the court - how can he be unintelligent??

[anonymouse]

how to fix the pistons: iverson comes off the bench in the sixth man role.

i dont care if he doesnt like coming off the bench. isnt he 30 now? 31? and he STILL hasnt grown up?

[Shannon Noll]

how to fix the pistons: iverson comes off the bench in the sixth man role.

i dont care if he doesnt like coming off the bench. isnt he 30 now? 31? and he STILL hasnt grown up?

"I ain't never seen no four-time scoring champ - comin' off the bench.
I ain't never seen no seven-time all-star - comin' off the bench.
I ain't never seen no MVP - comin' off the bench."

[Clips]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/0a/fullj.e166f496735bb173a22e0d6ec9b3c1f7/e166f496735bb173a22e0d6ec9b3c1f7-getty-82991209ng026_wolves_clips.jpg
LOS ANGELES - JANUARY 19: (L-R) Marcus Camby #23, Jason Hart #6, Chris Kaman #35, Mike Taylor #4, Baron Davis #1, and Ricky Davis #31 of the Los Angeles Clippers watch from the bench during a game against the Minnesota Timberwolves at Staples Center on January 19, 2009 in Los Angeles, California.

Add Snack Randolph to this, and we may have the best injured list of the season.. :(

[Shannon Noll]

Dallas cop an absolute education from a Bogut-less Mavs.

http://www.nba.com/games/20090121/DALMI ... 0020800621 (http://www.nba.com/games/20090121/DALMIL/gameinfo.html?ls=gt1hp0020800621)

[Durbansandshark]

Mike Iaveroni gets sacked by the Memphis Grizzlies last night. How many coaches that franchise had since its inception in Vancouver, where they should still be in, that started play in 1995? Let's see: Brian Winters, Stu Jackson, Brian Hill, Lionel Hollins (best coach in the Vancouver era), Sidney Lowe, Hubie Brown, Mike Fratello, Tony Barone, Mike Iaveroni, and now...

Perhaps he'll reunite with D'Antoni and join the Knicks staff next season.

[Durbansandshark]

Johnny Davis gets to be interim coach after Marc Iavaroni's head rolled out of Memphis. But I'm hearing from ESPN that Memphis is going to bringing back Lionel Hollins as the new coach. Hollins should've been the Vancouver coach after having being the interim and had the best winning percentage for any Vancouver coach in that dismal era instead of Michael Heisley and Dick Versace hiring Sidney Lowe for the 2000-2001 season.

Nonetheless, the losing continues with a 108-88 loss to the Knicks on the road because, well, Memphis just isn't good simple because they're young.

[smittys07]

Johnny Davis gets to be interim coach after Marc Iavaroni's head rolled out of Memphis. But I'm hearing from ESPN that Memphis is going to bringing back Lionel Hollins as the new coach. Hollins should've been the Vancouver coach after having being the interim and had the best winning percentage for any Vancouver coach in that dismal era instead of Michael Heisley and Dick Versace hiring Sidney Lowe for the 2000-2001 season.

Nonetheless, the losing continues with a 108-88 loss to the Knicks on the road because, well, Memphis just isn't good simple because they're young.

I'm not quite sure Hollins was that good was he? Admittedly he didn't have much to work with (the more things change, the more they stay etc etc) but wasn't his winning percentage something like 28%?
And he wasn't even Heisley's first choice this time apparently. Marc Stein at ESPN.com said Heisley wanted Avery Johnson who said thanks but no thanks.

[angry ant]

Nathan Jawai's statline in the game today- 1:49 minutes, 0-1 Fiel Goals, 1 Foul, 1 Block Against, -1 +/-.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=NC8UPK4JZwA All 1:49 minutes!

[Shannon Noll]

Talk of a Jason Kidd for AI trade. The Mavs are blowing this thing up.

[Shannon Noll]

Anyone know what the go is when a team has the rights to another team's draft pick? Say it's Oklahoma City Thunder who have the rights to San Antonio's first round draft pick next season. Surely OKC would have discussions with the Spurs on which player is taken with that pick? Otherwise the Spurs could pick some scrub and say, "There you go, there's your first-rounder."

[Cussy]

I didn’t think it works like that. I think the “rights” to the pick are conditional on where that pick falls. If it’s a lottery pick, the pick owner may have put a clause saying that we won’t give up a lottery pick, so then it goes to next year. On the other side, if SA has pick #29, OKC may be seeking something earlier so they will pass on the rights for that year and use it the following year.

[j-mac]

I think you've got the terminology mixed up a little.

In a trade, you can acquire a draft pick. It is then your draft pick and you choose who is drafted with that pick.

You can also trade for the draft rights to a certain player. This is where a player is drafted, but not yet signed. The team acquiring his rights can then sign him.
Like with Jawai - drafted by Indiana, rights traded to Toronto, signed there.

[The Glove]

Anyone know what the go is when a team has the rights to another team's draft pick? Say it's Oklahoma City Thunder who have the rights to San Antonio's first round draft pick next season. Surely OKC would have discussions with the Spurs on which player is taken with that pick? Otherwise the Spurs could pick some scrub and say, "There you go, there's your first-rounder."

If its a unconditional pick, then the Pick is automatically given to the Thunder and they just select who they want just like any other pick.

Off the top of my head, the Sonics (I know) have 8 or 9 first round picks over the next 3 years.

As Customer said, some picks Via trades come with terms and conditions attached to them (ie , they cant have the pick, if it falls in the top 3, top 10 etc)

[Voice(s)]

Unfortunately the Suns lost to the Spurs today but both Shaq and Nash made history. Shaq was selected to his 15th All-Star game and thus moved into second outright for most all-star selections in NBA history passing Michael Jordan, Karl Malone and Jerry West. Last season is the only time in his career he has missed all-star selection. During the game Shaq also passed Hakeem Olajuwon by moving into 7th on the NBA's all-time scoring list and also during the game Nash passed their coach Terry Porter in moving into 11th on the NBA's all-time assists list.

[stellation]

Bogut back today (coming off the bench) against the Raptors, and Jawai should apparently be active too (but obviously a slim chance to play).

[Shannon Noll]

Awesome interview: http://espn.go.com/nba/

15-time all-star Shaq claims that the Shaq vs. Kobe feud was "all marketing baby".

Also that he has never had a beef with Phil Jackson, all marketing. And that if he'd stayed in LA they would've had 6 or 7 championships by now. And that him and Kobe were the best big man - little man combination ever in the history of the game.

[Mike]

Shaq: "I'm the smartest player in the world" haha awsome interview

[j-mac]

Bynum out 8-12 weeks with ACL strain. (http://www.nba.com/2009/news/02/02/bynum.update.20090202/index.html?rss=true) Although theys said last year when he did his knee he'd be out for a similar period, but he didn't come back at all. Karma for his hit on G. Wallace? Wallace BTW is allowed to travel back to Charlotte now, but must travel by bus. (http://www.nba.com/2009/news/02/03/bobcats.wallace.ap/index.html?rss=true)

Jameer Nelson is out for at least several weeks and possibly the season with a shoulder injury. (http://www.nba.com/2009/news/02/03/magic.nelson.20090203.ap/index.html?rss=true) Magic looking for a trade. Is Tinsley a possibility?

[j-mac]

Sorry, torn MCL for Bynum.

Also, Chris Paul strained his groin and is expected to miss several games (http://www.nba.com/2009/news/02/03/chris.paul.20090209.ap/index.html?rss=true). His injury hurt the team, turning a 17 point late 3rd quarter lead when he got injured into an 8 point loss.

Deron Williams has a quad strain and missed one game but should be back soon.

[j-mac]

Steven A. Smith had a story the other day that Bosh has told Colangelo that he won't be re-signing with Toronto in 2010.
Smith cited no sources, copped some flack, but stands by the story.

[Cussy]

Jameer Nelson is out for at least several weeks and possibly the season with a shoulder injury
At least that solves the Mo Williams snub.

[Clips]

Basketbawful (http://basketbawful.blogspot.com/2009/02/weekend-lacktion-report.html) are already mentioning Jawai's name as their "Top Lacktion Rooke"

[j-mac]

Earl Watson is likely to be traded with several point guards going down.
Also, the Kings are apparently open to trading anyone excpet Kevin Martin, so Beno Udrih could leave soon too.
I even read one story wondering whether the Magic should go for Stephon Marbury.

[j-mac]

After Bryant scored 61 the other day, much was made of what LeBron could do at MSG today:
52 points, 11 assists, 10 rebounds, 2 blocks. Fair effort.

[j-mac]

Bosh sprained his knee (http://www.nba.com/2009/news/02/04/bosh.ap/index.html?rss=true) today. No word yet on whether it's serious. This will hurt.. oh wait they suck anyway. Maybe if he misses any games it will open up some more court time for Jawai.

[Voice(s)]

Warriors @ Suns on :espn: this afternoon. Supposedly everyone bar Nash is on the block and they're actively shopping Amare. The Suns are coming off of a loss at Golden State where they were beaten comfortably. The defense has gone out the window (Nash was lit up yet again) and who knows this could be the last time we see this current Suns team.

[stellation]

Bosh sprained his knee (http://www.nba.com/2009/news/02/04/bosh.ap/index.html?rss=true) today. No word yet on whether it's serious. This will hurt.. oh wait they suck anyway. Maybe if he misses any games it will open up some more court time for Jawai.
They played today sans Bosh and Nate saw zero time, they just went with playoff style rotations and only played a few guys off the bench. I don't expect Nate to get much playing time until after the trade deadline if they are shopping JO.

[Mike]

After Bryant scored 61 the other day, much was made of what LeBron could do at MSG today:
52 points, 11 assists, 10 rebounds, 2 blocks. Fair effort.

NBA stats dudeymen denied him a rebound in the final minute, no triple double for him

[David]

[quote="j-mac":210ppy7o]Jameer Nelson is out for at least several weeks and possibly the season with a shoulder injury
At least that solves the Mo Williams snub.[/quote:210ppy7o]

No it does'nt. As Ray Allen has been chosen by David Stern to replace Nelson at the All-star game.

[David]

Forward Adam Morrison and reserve guard Shannon Brown to the Los Angeles Lakers for forward Vladimir Radmanovic. If thats not a concession from michael Jordan that he has made a mistake taking Morrison with the 3rd pick in 2006 draft then I don't know what is.

To be fair to jordan and morrison I don't blame them for all of it though. 2006 draft was a very weak draft. And their has never been an absoulute domiant franchise player come out of it. Brandon Roy is a star but not a superstar, Rudy Gay is a very good player. But their was'nt really a whole lot diamonds that jordan missed in the 2006 draft.

It's hard to say weather Morrison will get out of his funk. He had a so-so rookie year, then he had a year out with injury. Only to come back to play for a coach who inherted you but never really wanted you. And has a coaching philsophy where he does'nt like the 3 point shot. That's pretty hard when it's your biggest strength. For Morrison playing for score first, defense 2nd coaches like Don neldon or mike dantoni would probably be a better fit for him. He should get a lot open looks with the lakers. But with Odom, bryant, Gasol and when healthy bynum alsl getting shots he probably won't be nothing more then a very minor role player. It's very hard to crack Jacksons rotation, If Mitch Richmond can be in Jackson's Doghouse anyone can.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Forward Adam Morrison and reserve guard Shannon Brown to the Los Angeles Lakers for forward Vladimir Radmanovic. If thats not a concession from michael Jordan that he has made a mistake taking Morrison with the 3rd pick in 2006 draft then I don't know what is.

To be fair to jordan and morrison I don't blame them for all of it though. 2006 draft was a very weak draft. And their has never been an absoulute domiant franchise player come out of it. Brandon Roy is a star but not a superstar, Rudy Gay is a very good player. But their was'nt really a whole lot diamonds that jordan missed in the 2006 draft.

It's hard to say weather Morrison will get out of his funk. He had a so-so rookie year, then he had a year out with injury. Only to come back to play for a coach who inherted you but never really wanted you. And has a coaching philsophy where he does'nt like the 3 point shot. That's pretty hard when it's your biggest strength. For Morrison playing for score first, defense 2nd coaches like Don neldon or mike dantoni would probably be a better fit for him. He should get a lot open looks with the lakers. But with Odom, bryant, Gasol and when healthy bynum alsl getting shots he probably won't be nothing more then a very minor role player. It's very hard to crack Jacksons rotation, If Mitch Richmond can be in Jackson's Doghouse anyone can.
Its more the fact that coaches aren't going to go out of their way to run a system to suit Morrison (nor should they, they have others on board as well) and a number of coaches confused about how he actually plays in the first place.

This gets highlighted even more when the first person to care enough to bring this up says 3 point shooting is his biggest strength...

[David]

Forward Adam Morrison and reserve guard Shannon Brown to the Los Angeles Lakers for forward Vladimir Radmanovic. If thats not a concession from michael Jordan that he has made a mistake taking Morrison with the 3rd pick in 2006 draft then I don't know what is.

To be fair to jordan and morrison I don't blame them for all of it though. 2006 draft was a very weak draft. And their has never been an absoulute domiant franchise player come out of it. Brandon Roy is a star but not a superstar, Rudy Gay is a very good player. But their was'nt really a whole lot diamonds that jordan missed in the 2006 draft.

It's hard to say weather Morrison will get out of his funk. He had a so-so rookie year, then he had a year out with injury. Only to come back to play for a coach who inherted you but never really wanted you. And has a coaching philsophy where he does'nt like the 3 point shot. That's pretty hard when it's your biggest strength. For Morrison playing for score first, defense 2nd coaches like Don neldon or mike dantoni would probably be a better fit for him. He should get a lot open looks with the lakers. But with Odom, bryant, Gasol and when healthy bynum alsl getting shots he probably won't be nothing more then a very minor role player. It's very hard to crack Jacksons rotation, If Mitch Richmond can be in Jackson's Doghouse anyone can.
Its more the fact that coaches aren't going to go out of their way to run a system to suit Morrison (nor should they, they have others on board as well) and a number of coaches confused about how he actually plays in the first place.

This gets highlighted even more when the first person to care enough to bring this up says 3 point shooting is his biggest strength...

Adam morrison outside shooting is his biggest strength. What are you saying that his outside shooting is not his biggest strength ? YOu think Adam Morrison is a Slasher and Defensive Stopper like Shawn Marion?

And I did'nt say that the coaches should change their philophy for one player. Just saying that some players suit coaches offense more then other's.

[Shannon Noll]

As if LeBron isn't gonna go to New York in 2010...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqYpupgN ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqYpupgNP-o&feature=related)

[Clips]

As if LeBron isn't gonna go to New York in 2010...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqYpupgN ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqYpupgNP-o&feature=related)
From that video, how so?

[smittys07]

It's very hard to crack Jacksons rotation, If Mitch Richmond can be in Jackson's Doghouse anyone can.

Uh, and how much gas, exactly, did Mitch have left in his tank by the time he signed with the Lakers?
That, and an almost complete inability to adjust to the triangle meant he was always going to be an afterthought.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Forward Adam Morrison and reserve guard Shannon Brown to the Los Angeles Lakers for forward Vladimir Radmanovic. If thats not a concession from michael Jordan that he has made a mistake taking Morrison with the 3rd pick in 2006 draft then I don't know what is.

To be fair to jordan and morrison I don't blame them for all of it though. 2006 draft was a very weak draft. And their has never been an absoulute domiant franchise player come out of it. Brandon Roy is a star but not a superstar, Rudy Gay is a very good player. But their was'nt really a whole lot diamonds that jordan missed in the 2006 draft.

It's hard to say weather Morrison will get out of his funk. He had a so-so rookie year, then he had a year out with injury. Only to come back to play for a coach who inherted you but never really wanted you. And has a coaching philsophy where he does'nt like the 3 point shot. That's pretty hard when it's your biggest strength. For Morrison playing for score first, defense 2nd coaches like Don neldon or mike dantoni would probably be a better fit for him. He should get a lot open looks with the lakers. But with Odom, bryant, Gasol and when healthy bynum alsl getting shots he probably won't be nothing more then a very minor role player. It's very hard to crack Jacksons rotation, If Mitch Richmond can be in Jackson's Doghouse anyone can.
Its more the fact that coaches aren't going to go out of their way to run a system to suit Morrison (nor should they, they have others on board as well) and a number of coaches confused about how he actually plays in the first place.

This gets highlighted even more when the first person to care enough to bring this up says 3 point shooting is his biggest strength...

Adam morrison outside shooting is his biggest strength. What are you saying that his outside shooting is not his biggest strength ? YOu think Adam Morrison is a Slasher and Defensive Stopper like Shawn Marion?
I'll take:
C. None of the Above

Thanks.

He was NEVER a great outside shooter, even in college. His game in college was widely built off of off the ball movement and creating midrange jumpers. He wasn't a great outside shooter, even when he was a national player of the year. Anyone that says otherwise rarely watches him.

And I did'nt say that the coaches should change their philophy for one player. Just saying that some players suit coaches offense more then other's.
I know you didn't, but having the system go with ball movement and letting Morrison go to work mid-range... which would involve geting a bunch of professional athletes to go against their own individual interests to cater to the whims of some new kid who doesn't exactly pack an NBA STAR styled game... wasn't going to happen.

It's not just the coach... he has to make the players buy into a successful system and make the guys he has work as well as a team as possible. Morrison, depite being one hell of a good college player (and likely a good player if ever he were to play over here in this league) was only ever going to be an outside chance as a very good college player because he'd need too much support.

[Durbansandshark]

Mo Williams is going to the All Star Game after all. Toronto's Chris Bosh's sprained right knee won't heal in time for Phoenix. I can see why Stern chose Ray Allen to replace Jameer: Allen, when compared to Mo, is producing a better all around season. So it was the right call then. But it's good to see Mo in finally.

[Durbansandshark]

Sports fans everywhere, not just NBA ones, should pay a very happy 75the birthday to Bill Russell today. One of the greatest team players and an NBA legend! Happy birthday, Bill! Enjoy the NBA All-Star Weekend in Phoenix! :D

[Lethal Vertical]

Anyone see Z's first quarter against the Lakers!? Sheesh.

Could the time have come for Lebron and his Cavs?

[Voice(s)]

Supposedly Toronto have sent Jermaine O' Neal, Jamario Moon and a first rounder to Miami for Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks.

[stellation]

With JO going Nathan obviously moves one step up the depth chart, if they bomb the next 10 games and truly drop out of playoff contention I imagine he might start getting seeing some more game time.

[singy]

Great dunk contest today, but the usual judging anomalies happen again. I thought Rudy's dunks were good, but he only scored 8s and 9s. Dwight's first dunk was OK, he gets all 10s. Then Dwight dunks easily on a 12 foot high ring, and again he gets all 10s (this time fair enough). That's why the judges have to be careful about giving a 50 - there's no going up from there. All in all, it was a very creative showing from Nate Robinson & Dwight today - good to watch.

[Voice(s)]

I thought it was horrible. The dunk comp these days is just a farce. Like singy said the judges were trying hard to get Howard up but even his dunks bar one were lacklustre. The supposed 12ft ring looked 11ft at best and the amount of props and gimmicks has turned the whole thing into a joke. I've seen everyone since '91 and really think they should consider scrapping it again. I appreciate bringing it back in 2000 just to watch the incredible spectacle that was Vince Carter which obviously could never be topped and they should've put it away again. Last year's dunk comp had some good moments but this one I felt showed how badly the players are now struggling creativity wise.

The supposed big news was that LeBron says he's going to go in next year's comp. The guy has almost no creativity on dunks and if you've ever seen LeBron in a dunk comp before you'll know this. It will be a joke like it is most years and hopefully the NBA pulls the pin on it all next year.

[bucky]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/dunkcontest/images/08_nate_howard_winner.jpg

[bucky]

I loved the dunk comp! There is only so much creativity a person can do on a dunk that hasn't been done before so I like the fact that they are using props to make it more enjoyable. The judging has always been terrible, If the lowest score given all night is an 8 then there are problems.

[Dunkin' Dan]

There is only so much creativity a person can do on a dunk that hasn't been done before
Exactly right. That's why they should do a dunk contest say every 3 years instead of every year. Make it special, so it's something that the best dunkers actually want to be in, and put some effort into.

[Clips]

Terry Porter to be fired as Suns coach on Monday. An assistant will step in as interim coach, but there are rumors of Steve Kerr stepping up to the sideline too...

[Cussy]

Terry Porter to be fired as Suns coach on Monday. An assistant will step in as interim coach, but there are rumors of Steve Kerr stepping up to the sideline too...
Such a pity that only a few seasons ago, they were one big man away from topping the Spurs. Letting Kurt Thomas go was the worst move for them and they have slowly unravelled since then.

[Clips]

Alvin Gentry is said to be the assistant who will replace Porter, who will reportedly bring back run and gun.

How does this affect the imminent Amare trade? Will Shaq and his '10 cap space move instead?

[Clips]

Mens and Womens Team USA receiving rings for winning at the Olympics at half time of the All Star game. The gold medals aren't enough? :roll:

[j-mac]

Mens and Womens Team USA receiving rings for winning at the Olympics at half time of the All Star game. The gold medals aren't enough? :roll:
That's what I thought. Stupid Americans.

[UserFriendlyRoll]

Mens and Womens Team USA receiving rings for winning at the Olympics at half time of the All Star game. The gold medals aren't enough? :roll:They just love patting themselves on the back. :roll:

[Clips]

Shaq and Kobe split MVP. Saw that coming :P

[Da Houndawg #55]

Spent three hours of my life liveblogging on that, Chris Paul should feel hosed but he's too nice.

[Voice(s)]

Finally a decent all-star game for a change. It was fitting too that Shaq ahould at least get a share of the MVP with a dominant performance in such little court time. He looked great and despite being almost 37 put on some great moves especially that give and go on Howard. Kobe was obviously trying his hardest to get it (as usual) and given their history of dominance with the Lakers seemed a suitable result.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Yeah, but your idea of a good Allstar game is when Shaq plays well...

And I didn't think Kobe was going hard as usual, to be honest.

[Voice(s)]

No, my idea of a good all-star game is one that's entertaining.

Kobe put up more shots in the first quarter then Shaq did for the entire game so..

[Da Houndawg #55]

Shaq was underplayed... dramatically underplayed, doesn't change the fact that Kobe wasn't going as hard as past occasions.

How Shaq was used less than 11 minutes is beyond me (although he's 37 so I'm sure he wasn't compaining too much)

[Voice(s)]

doesn't change the fact that Kobe wasn't going as hard as past occasions.

In your opinion.

He put up 10 shots in the first quarter alone and 23 for the game including attempting 8 three's.

[Da Houndawg #55]

There were bunches of threes, nobody played anything resembling defence, even for an allstar game. Wade's first baseline dunk had no-one within 1.5 metres in any direction from the second he caught it to the time he dunked it... in a lay from a half court set. Guys had forever to shoot.

I would say for a lot of people it would look like he was going hard, but this is Kobe we're talking about...

[WilloWildWaves]

[quote="Voice(s)". It was fitting too that Shaq ahould at least get a share of the MVP with a dominant performance in such little court time.[/quote]yeah but not for that tragic dance rutine he put on before the show :lol:

[HunterPirates]

That dance routine was epic. SHAQ FTW

http://www.popcrunch.com/shaq-jabbawockeez-dance-nba-all-star-game-2009-video/

[bucky]

Terry Porter to be fired as Suns coach on Monday. An assistant will step in as interim coach, but there are rumors of Steve Kerr stepping up to the sideline too...
Such a pity that only a few seasons ago, they were one big man away from topping the Spurs. Letting Kurt Thomas go was the worst move for them and they have slowly unravelled since then.


Letting Thomas go was just one of many stupid moves done since Robert Sarver bought the team. Letting Thomas go for nothing, selling draft picks ( we could have had Rajon Rondo as steve Nash's backup :cry: ) and lowballing Joe Johnson were all moves done to save Sarver some cash and it has only resulted in the team going downhill. Then he hires his buddy Steve Kerr to change things around and all he can do is clash with a successful coach, prompting him to leave town, trades a guy who wasn't happy but still fit in with what the team was doing for someone who couldn't fit in with the Suns style unless he was 20 years younger and the payroll is still sky high!!

I feel bad for Porter, he was brought in to do a job and he did it as well as could be expected. The problem was never Porter, nor was it his defensive philosophies. The problem is Steve Kerr and his lack of intelligence. Who takes a successful team and tries to run it the complete opposite way?? Gentry was always the man for the job after D'Antoni left, but Kerr wanted things done his way and now his mistake is costing sarver $6 million. Now it looks like its too late for the Suns...

[bucky]

Article on Sarver (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AjHrXlEXqM6oNGXIEiiYJsu8vLYF?slug=jy-sarversuns021309&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

[Clips]

A good eye opener on Sarver. I have noticed before, his name pops up a lot more than nearly every other owner. Cuban-lite?

[Voice(s)]

Terry Porter to be fired as Suns coach on Monday. An assistant will step in as interim coach, but there are rumors of Steve Kerr stepping up to the sideline too...
Such a pity that only a few seasons ago, they were one big man away from topping the Spurs. Letting Kurt Thomas go was the worst move for them and they have slowly unravelled since then.


Letting Thomas go was just one of many stupid moves done since Robert Sarver bought the team. Letting Thomas go for nothing, selling draft picks ( we could have had Rajon Rondo as steve Nash's backup :cry: ) and lowballing Joe Johnson were all moves done to save Sarver some cash and it has only resulted in the team going downhill. Then he hires his buddy Steve Kerr to change things around and all he can do is clash with a successful coach, prompting him to leave town, trades a guy who wasn't happy but still fit in with what the team was doing for someone who couldn't fit in with the Suns style unless he was 20 years younger and the payroll is still sky high!!

I feel bad for Porter, he was brought in to do a job and he did it as well as could be expected. The problem was never Porter, nor was it his defensive philosophies. The problem is Steve Kerr and his lack of intelligence. Who takes a successful team and tries to run it the complete opposite way?? Gentry was always the man for the job after D'Antoni left, but Kerr wanted things done his way and now his mistake is costing sarver $6 million. Now it looks like its too late for the Suns...

I think giving up a few first round draft picks to save money too (Rudy Fernandez, Nate Robinson etc). There is no doubt Sarver has done more harm than good. I'm not trying to start a stumpy-esque post-a-thon here but just want to mention a few things. D'Antoni's system was and still is flawed. Yes it hid Nash's, Marion's and Amare's flaws to a degree but it unravelled in the playoffs every time. Something had to be done. He was asked to include a defensive coach on his staff and refused. See ya later. Marion wanted out, got his wish and as expected has sailed off into oblivion. A lot of people like to think Shaq can't handle run and gun despite the fact he plays well in it and plays well against it. The Suns fast break points actually went up after the Shaq trade last season.

Of course Porter is the scapegoat here. The Suns were 11-5 under his style but Nash wasn't having fun so was bitching to the media the whole time. Porter's loosened it up but to no avail Nash and Amare had already started to quit on him. The problem was he was hired as a cheap puppet for Sarver/Kerr. It's not Kerr who's being making moves, he's the fall guy covering for his boss who is known for being very hands on despite knowing SFA. The players (mainly Nash) knew Porter had no authority and treated him with contempt from the start of training camp. Kerr had convinced Sarver that they had to start addrssing the defensive issues and Sarver being Sarver wanted to do it on the cheap (Porter). Nash knows he's the face of the franchise and a demi-god to their fans and this was only confirmed when Sarver put everyone on the trading block (except Nash) even though his lack of defence and inability to play anything other than run and gun is their biggest problem.

Gentry's just a stooge to keep Nash and the fans happy. He's already said they'll play "breakneck" pace basketball which means there's no hope for success this season.

[Mike]

i didnt mind the allstar weekend, but it is ecoming a lil tedious. my favourite from the weekends highlights was the game of horse, the skills challenge is really getting on my nerve, because none of the players look like they give a shit, but i did like rose's dunk to celebrate his win

[j-mac]

Tyson Chandler traded to OKC for Joe Smith and Chris Wilcox. (http://www.nba.com/2009/news/02/17/thunderhornetsdeal.20090217/index.html)
Saves money for the Hornets, which they wanted; gets the Thunder a very good, young centre.

[j-mac]

On the Suns, I don't see how they couldn't incorporate at least some D into their game, while maintaining their fast offence system. Plus better D probably leads to more turnovers and poorer shooting by the opposition, leading to more fast break opportunities.

[Clips]

Well the Gentry project is working well... My team is getting smashed.

Suns shooting 70% to be up 118 - 72 at 3 quarter time... and yes those numbers are correct.