NSWSBL 2009

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

word is Wagga Wagga is pulling the pin, which is a shame to see a once great club, Div. 1 champs (now Waratah) in the mid 90's, leaving the League altogether...

[fan since the old snakepit]

If this is true that will only leave five teams in the south pool. Illawarra will only play if they are in a Sydney pool of if all Metro teams are included in with country teams. They feel it is unfair if they have to travel when metro sides do not. Also have heard that Sutho will not have a team in S/L men.
Queanbeyan
Griffith
Moss Vale
Wagga
Shoalhaven
Bathurst
Illawarra

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

Bathurst want out of South pool. Feel it's strong or something.

Teams are gonna be told where to play this year, or they forfiet some serious money

[Bushy]

not sure where your information came from regarding wagga, both men and women have been training for a few weeks with good numbers attending as usual both teams will put together competitive line ups.

[fan since the old snakepit]

Bathurst want out of South pool. Feel it's strong or something.

Teams are gonna be told where to play this year, or they forfiet some serious money
Illawarra will seek confirmation of pools and will withdraw before the cut off date in Feb if they are in a Sth only pool. All they want is fotrthe S/L to be a S/L and Metro teams to be involved with country teams. Leave Nth as they are because of the huge travel and split the rest into 2 pools. Fair for all.

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

[quote="A Really Bad Bass Player":1tpnyrlq]Bathurst want out of South pool. Feel it's strong or something.

Teams are gonna be told where to play this year, or they forfiet some serious money
Illawarra will seek confirmation of pools and will withdraw before the cut off date in Feb if they are in a Sth only pool. All they want is fotrthe S/L to be a S/L and Metro teams to be involved with country teams. Leave Nth as they are because of the huge travel and split the rest into 2 pools. Fair for all.[/quote:1tpnyrlq]

that I respect

[catstrat]

Hey all,

So do we know what the pools look like at the moment?

My problem with the mens pool system last year, despite the fact that pool D was the 'pool of death', was that teams from different pools did not get a look at each other before finals time. I think mid way through the season there should be some "crossover" games at a central venue over a weekend (instead of at the end of the season like last year) organised by ranking at the time, so that at least the top teams in the comp can get a look at, and a chance to play the top teams in the other pools before the finals weekend.

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

not sure where your information came from regarding wagga, both men and women have been training for a few weeks with good numbers attending as usual both teams will put together competitive line ups.

good to hear. heard that frm a BNSW staffer, so great news...

[The Oracle]

Scorchers line-up now up on their website.
Same old, same old with one new addition - Jason McBride (ex-Wildcats WABL 2007)

Jets appear to have already lost Adam Simpson after some talk of him moving from Penrith.
He's not staying at Penrith - rather moving o/s during the year.
Still have Paul Skinner and Bruce Wells from Penrith 2008 and Rhys Daley, Ben Hawkesley and Rob Crane (who came from Panthers 2007 and played with Jets 2008)

Penrith team not on website at last sighting but rumoured to have last year's squad (minus the three mentioned above) plus a couple of ex-YL and one outsider.

[Daevo]

Yeah, I heard about Simmo going o/s which is what my previous information was before he was linked with Hawkesbury. I hear they've put Scott P into the squad which he deserves after a good performance for the Jets last season.

The Penrith team has been selected & have already had a training session before Christmas.....reportedly with Jets new coaching staff sticking their heads in for a look :P :lol:.... so it's not like the team is top secret. I guess there is just nobody around to put the names onto the website.
Edit:
I must admit I didn't bother looking after reading your post Oracle but is this the list you wanted:
http://www.penrith.basketball.net.au/fs ... 29&O10c=29 (http://www.penrith.basketball.net.au/fs_newsitem.asp?id=82544&orgID=76&Oname=P%26DBA+Inc%2E&O1c=29&O10c=29)
A not-so-little birdie told me it's been there since 2 weeks before Christmas. With eyesight like that, you could be a ref :lol: :P :oops:

[Daevo]

Scorchers line-up now up on their website.
Same old, same old with one new addition - Jason McBride (ex-Wildcats WABL 2007)
I expect next year will bring some changes with whispers Vince is only stalking the sidelines for 1 more season & a pile of YL players going into their final year of eligibility for U22s.

[Trigger]

Yeah, I heard about Simmo going o/s which is what my previous information was before he was linked with Hawkesbury. I hear they've put Scott P into the squad which he deserves after a good performance for the Jets last season.

The Penrith team has been selected & have already had a training session before Christmas.....reportedly with Jets new coaching staff sticking their heads in for a look :P :lol:.... so it's not like the team is top secret. I guess there is just nobody around to put the names onto the website.
Edit:
I must admit I didn't bother looking after reading your post Oracle but is this the list you wanted:
http://www.penrith.basketball.net.au/fs ... 29&O10c=29 (http://www.penrith.basketball.net.au/fs_newsitem.asp?id=82544&orgID=76&Oname=P%26DBA+Inc%2E&O1c=29&O10c=29)
A not-so-little birdie told me it's been there since 2 weeks before Christmas. With eyesight like that, you could be a ref :lol: :P :oops:


I cant imagine penriff would be confident of defending their title with that team... it doesnt look much on paper

[The Unbias Bias]

Yeah, I heard about Simmo going o/s which is what my previous information was before he was linked with Hawkesbury. I hear they've put Scott P into the squad which he deserves after a good performance for the Jets last season.

The Penrith team has been selected & have already had a training session before Christmas.....reportedly with Jets new coaching staff sticking their heads in for a look :P :lol:.... so it's not like the team is top secret. I guess there is just nobody around to put the names onto the website.
Edit:
I must admit I didn't bother looking after reading your post Oracle but is this the list you wanted:
http://www.penrith.basketball.net.au/fs ... 29&O10c=29 (http://www.penrith.basketball.net.au/fs_newsitem.asp?id=82544&orgID=76&Oname=P%26DBA+Inc%2E&O1c=29&O10c=29)
A not-so-little birdie told me it's been there since 2 weeks before Christmas. With eyesight like that, you could be a ref :lol: :P :oops:


I cant imagine penriff would be confident of defending their title with that team... it doesnt look much on paper

As much as i dont want to see Penrith do a 3-peat and i think they wont, i wouldnt underestimate their team just based on their losses to hawkesbury or elsewhere. Dawson more than makes up for the loss of Wells, but the other 2 youth leaguers coming up dont make up for the loss of Simmo but the loss of Skinner is made up for by Pablo. The new guy i have no idea about but i saw his name of the youth league team for Hills? so who knows where he'll end up at??? In my opinion aslong as they have decent big men and in my opinion the most reliable PG in the comp in Morehead i wouldn't write them off completely, will be interesting to see how teams like hornsby & crewsaders shape up with the big personnel movements in their respective aba squads. The greatest concern for Penrith this season lies with their youth league squad, no real hope of making the semis for those guys i dont reckon, their centre is 6"4 and they only have 8-9 players named on the squad. Will be fun to see how it all panns out in panther land!

[Trigger]

As much as i dont want to see Penrith do a 3-peat and i think they wont, i wouldnt underestimate their team just based on their losses to hawkesbury or elsewhere. Dawson more than makes up for the loss of Wells, but the other 2 youth leaguers coming up dont make up for the loss of Simmo but the loss of Skinner is made up for by Pablo. The new guy i have no idea about but i saw his name of the youth league team for Hills? so who knows where he'll end up at??? In my opinion aslong as they have decent big men and in my opinion the most reliable PG in the comp in Morehead i wouldn't write them off completely, will be interesting to see how teams like hornsby & crewsaders shape up with the big personnel movements in their respective aba squads. The greatest concern for Penrith this season lies with their youth league squad, no real hope of making the semis for those guys i dont reckon, their centre is 6"4 and they only have 8-9 players named on the squad. Will be fun to see how it all panns out in panther land!


Panthers wont even go close to 3-peating with that squad. Not sure about Dawson but I do know Wells leaves a big hole in the roster, he carried them in the finals last year. The jury's still out on Moorehead as Ive heard in big games he has a habit of going AWOL. Penrith have to somehow stop the exodus of players leaving the association, its a long list of names that have picked up and left in the last few years...

My tip for the year: CC Crusaders by alot

[The Unbias Bias]

Panthers wont even go close to 3-peating with that squad. Not sure about Dawson but I do know Wells leaves a big hole in the roster, he carried them in the finals last year. The jury's still out on Moorehead as Ive heard in big games he has a habit of going AWOL. Penrith have to somehow stop the exodus of players leaving the association, its a long list of names that have picked up and left in the last few years...

My tip for the year: CC Crusaders by alot

Yeah im not saying they'll win it im just saying its not like they'll fold into a non-playoff team, i reckon they'll still be there or thereabouts on finals weekend. Dawson is better than Wells at some things and vice versa, so i dont see much change there although your right Wells did step up come finals time, when Cooper put his personal vendetta against him for prematurally knowing he was going to the jets aside and actually gave him the court time he deserves. I'm not too sure on how u can bag out Morehead, if he plays Penrith have lost 2 games over the past 2 seasons, although they've only lost 3 overall they mostlikely wouldnt have lost that third with him playing. But as far as stopping players from leaving, that wont change while they have a dictatorship consisting of Leonie and Jeff calling the shots because they are not-likeable or friendly people and when peopel get in their bad books and told to ride the bench what option is left but to leave? you only have to see the talent around sydney that as juniors played ball in penrith, so aslong as those qualified coaching staff yet complete dipshits are running the sidelines for penrith they'll never be back in aba and still be the only big 8 association with both of their senior rep teams in state league. Crewsaders will be tough to beat but if they do win they can thank their lack of money for aba resulting in buying them a state league title.

[Coachpete]

Perception is a funny thing isn't it? How people see other people is very interesting. I've known the 2 people referred to as complete dipshits for many years and have had lots of pleasant time spent in their company. Both, to me, are friendly,personable,honest, reliable and good people to know. I've never had to play for either of them though and...perhaps....hear things that I didn't want to hear, or be dealt with in a way other than I wanted. :wink:
I have loads of respect for both of them and they're both top flight coaches who's opinion I'v sought and valued many times

[Skindog the Hawk]

I guess one person's dipshit is another's friendly, personable, honest etc etc...

[Masterad]

Panthers wont even go close to 3-peating with that squad. Not sure about Dawson but I do know Wells leaves a big hole in the roster, he carried them in the finals last year. The jury's still out on Moorehead as Ive heard in big games he has a habit of going AWOL. Penrith have to somehow stop the exodus of players leaving the association, its a long list of names that have picked up and left in the last few years...

My tip for the year: CC Crusaders by alot

Yeah im not saying they'll win it im just saying its not like they'll fold into a non-playoff team, i reckon they'll still be there or thereabouts on finals weekend. Dawson is better than Wells at some things and vice versa, so i dont see much change there although your right Wells did step up come finals time, when Cooper put his personal vendetta against him for prematurally knowing he was going to the jets aside and actually gave him the court time he deserves. I'm not too sure on how u can bag out Morehead, if he plays Penrith have lost 2 games over the past 2 seasons, although they've only lost 3 overall they mostlikely wouldnt have lost that third with him playing. But as far as stopping players from leaving, that wont change while they have a dictatorship consisting of Leonie and Jeff calling the shots because they are not-likeable or friendly people and when peopel get in their bad books and told to ride the bench what option is left but to leave? you only have to see the talent around sydney that as juniors played ball in penrith, so aslong as those qualified coaching staff yet complete dipshits are running the sidelines for penrith they'll never be back in aba and still be the only big 8 association with both of their senior rep teams in state league. Crewsaders will be tough to beat but if they do win they can thank their lack of money for aba resulting in buying them a state league title.


WOW where did that come from.... fantasy land!!!

Wells left Penrith only to be with his origional State League coach in Barry Sutherland who was the Penrith coach before vacating the position through illness and has not applied for that postion of Head Coach at Penrith since getting better... and the Wells decision was obviously made after he in fact decided to take the position at Hawkesbury which was well after the finals... And anyone that was involved last season saw that Wells started playing a whole lot better towards the end of the regular season getting a team elected MVP performance in Newcastle. Wells is a confidence player and when his confidence is up he is a VERY hard player to contain and those that saw the finals saw exactly what I mean.

Comparing Wells and Dawson... They are different players. Wells is a 3 Dawson is a very athletic 5....

I dont think that Wells rode the bench at all but at times yeah given he could have played more minutes but he was doing what the team needed him to do, what was needed to win.

As to Penrith this season... We have selected our team and we will be competitive hopefully giving the Hawkesbury Dream Team a run for their money

[The Unbias Bias]

WOW where did that come from.... fantasy land!!!

Wells left Penrith only to be with his origional State League coach in Barry Sutherland who was the Penrith coach before vacating the position through illness and has not applied for that postion of Head Coach at Penrith since getting better... and the Wells decision was obviously made after he in fact decided to take the position at Hawkesbury which was well after the finals... And anyone that was involved last season saw that Wells started playing a whole lot better towards the end of the regular season getting a team elected MVP performance in Newcastle. Wells is a confidence player and when his confidence is up he is a VERY hard player to contain and those that saw the finals saw exactly what I mean.

Comparing Wells and Dawson... They are different players. Wells is a 3 Dawson is a very athletic 5....

I dont think that Wells rode the bench at all but at times yeah given he could have played more minutes but he was doing what the team needed him to do, what was needed to win.

As to Penrith this season... We have selected our team and we will be competitive hopefully giving the Hawkesbury Dream Team a run for their money

Geez shows how much u know about what the players really think at Penrith, rumours started and eventually eventuated into Sutherland becoming head coach at Hawkesbury way before the finals, Wells was already leaving before the playoffs began. To quote players from last season's state league team "Cooper isnt putting Bruce on the court once he found out he was leaving to go to hawkesbury." Skinner and Simmo didnt make their decision until later than Bruce. SO as far as ur obviously he made his decision stuff...... obviously u need to get to know the players better, or simply put: just the facts. I dont play for either team and even i knew Sutherland was the new jets coach around June-July.

Also my previous comments about Cooper and Leonie have nothing to do with their coaching abilities as i stated, just to do with their managerial and peopel skills in associating with players and making the players want to stay. A decent state of loyalty to penrith from its players will never happen while those 2 are running the show. I'm sorry but losing 50% of ur CHAMPIONSHIP squad over 2 years to a lesser known and lower profile association irregardless of its coach shows that players just dont want to put up with their shit.

[Daevo]

I guess one person's dipshit is another's friendly, personable, honest etc etc...

I've found that the view often depends on whether you were selected or not :wink:

All coaches have their detractors, whether it's those who weren't selected or those who didn't get the court time they thought they deserved or simply those who disagreed with the coach's game plan or training regime. There is no denying that Cooper has got some players offside over the years but he's also got many supporters both among players & his fellow coaches plus even some of those who've had issues with him in the past are happy to play for him again. I'm sure you'd find people who'd be just as critical of any coach you care to name, even those coaches from neighbouring associations who are the main recipients of players who supposedly left Penrith because they didn't like Cooper.

I've said for a while that Penrith has some problems & agree that as a "Big 8" association, they should have teams playing ABA but saying 2 coaches are the cause of all that is supposedly wrong at an association the size of Penrith is pretty shortsighted.

[crazybbr]

It should be noted that not only are players leaving Penrith but also coaches. This past year -

Four Junior Rep Div 1 Head coaches
One Junior Rep Div 1 Assistant coach
One Junior Rep Div 2 Head coach
State League Women's Head Coach

So there is something seriously wrong at Penrith!!!!!

[Trigger]

Panthers wont even go close to 3-peating with that squad. Not sure about Dawson but I do know Wells leaves a big hole in the roster, he carried them in the finals last year. The jury's still out on Moorehead as Ive heard in big games he has a habit of going AWOL. Penrith have to somehow stop the exodus of players leaving the association, its a long list of names that have picked up and left in the last few years...

My tip for the year: CC Crusaders by alot

Yeah im not saying they'll win it im just saying its not like they'll fold into a non-playoff team, i reckon they'll still be there or thereabouts on finals weekend. Dawson is better than Wells at some things and vice versa, so i dont see much change there although your right Wells did step up come finals time, when Cooper put his personal vendetta against him for prematurally knowing he was going to the jets aside and actually gave him the court time he deserves. I'm not too sure on how u can bag out Morehead, if he plays Penrith have lost 2 games over the past 2 seasons, although they've only lost 3 overall they mostlikely wouldnt have lost that third with him playing. But as far as stopping players from leaving, that wont change while they have a dictatorship consisting of Leonie and Jeff calling the shots because they are not-likeable or friendly people and when peopel get in their bad books and told to ride the bench what option is left but to leave? you only have to see the talent around sydney that as juniors played ball in penrith, so aslong as those qualified coaching staff yet complete dipshits are running the sidelines for penrith they'll never be back in aba and still be the only big 8 association with both of their senior rep teams in state league. Crewsaders will be tough to beat but if they do win they can thank their lack of money for aba resulting in buying them a state league title.


WOW where did that come from.... fantasy land!!!

Wells left Penrith only to be with his origional State League coach in Barry Sutherland who was the Penrith coach before vacating the position through illness and has not applied for that postion of Head Coach at Penrith since getting better... and the Wells decision was obviously made after he in fact decided to take the position at Hawkesbury which was well after the finals... And anyone that was involved last season saw that Wells started playing a whole lot better towards the end of the regular season getting a team elected MVP performance in Newcastle. Wells is a confidence player and when his confidence is up he is a VERY hard player to contain and those that saw the finals saw exactly what I mean.

Comparing Wells and Dawson... They are different players. Wells is a 3 Dawson is a very athletic 5....

I dont think that Wells rode the bench at all but at times yeah given he could have played more minutes but he was doing what the team needed him to do, what was needed to win.

As to Penrith this season... We have selected our team and we will be competitive hopefully giving the Hawkesbury Dream Team a run for their money


The Hawkesbury Dream Team? is that a joke??? I still believe penriff will get them in the end this year. I know the jets beat them twice or three times last year in the home and away but who got the last laugh? penriff walked away with the silverware and thats how your measured as a team.
Im looking forward to watching the panthers jets stoushes this year though, does anybody know how they match up against each other? The bigs will be dominated by jets, but i think penriff have better guards...

[The Unbias Bias]

The Hawkesbury Dream Team? is that a joke??? I still believe penriff will get them in the end this year. I know the jets beat them twice or three times last year in the home and away but who got the last laugh? penriff walked away with the silverware and thats how your measured as a team.
Im looking forward to watching the panthers jets stoushes this year though, does anybody know how they match up against each other? The bigs will be dominated by jets, but i think penriff have better guards...

You're exactly right, hawkesbury won 2/3 but im sure they'd give up those 2 wins for the title penrith ended up winning, or ud think they would anyway. Except for the loss of Angus the quality overall of all the players involved in both of these teams appears to have risen a bit so the matches between the sides should be highly competitive with less than 10 points in every encounter high on the cards. The jets do have the better of the bigs but not by as much as what most will think, Slack and Dawson should be able to hold their own on defense against hawkesley and Goodwin one would think, although they might not put up the offensive numbers that those 2 will. The pg spot obviously belongs to penrith, whereas the sg role would definitely go to the jets if simo was playing, but without him either team could get the better of this on any given night. I really think predicting who will win any of these matches is a waste of time, looks to be a flip of the coin at this stage if you ask me. Hopefully they'll be as entertaining as last season's encounters, btw does anyone know what happened to that 7'0 centre from last season's jets squad? i know he wasnt much of a threat just wondering though...

[FeelinDaHeat]

It should be noted that not only are players leaving Penrith but also coaches. This past year -

Four Junior Rep Div 1 Head coaches
One Junior Rep Div 1 Assistant coach
One Junior Rep Div 2 Head coach
State League Women's Head Coach

So there is something seriously wrong at Penrith!!!!!

No chance of coincidence there! That's a huge turnover of staff in one year! I guess one person's dipshit is another's friendly, personable, honest etc etc...

I've said for a while that Penrith has some problems & agree that as a "Big 8" association, they should have teams playing ABA but saying 2 coaches are the cause of all that is supposedly wrong at an association the size of Penrith is pretty shortsighted.

Certain people at penrith have raved on and on since they were last in Waratah ABA that it was a cost cutting measure not to have a team in the competition- did they not play SEABL a couple of years back?

As for Moore and Cooper- yes there are many people who do not hold them in any type of esteem but there are also just as many who are intimidated into submission and tolerate their basketball existence because of the influence they do hold at Penrith. The old saying of its not what you know but who you know comes to mind so if you want any kind of gig up the mountain way- shut your mouth or say the right things!

[StiLL Momentum]

The Momentum has come to a halt....

I believe it will be some close games between Hawkes and Penrith, tho until Hawkes gets some good guards, Penriff will come out on top in my opinion, and for all that is good in the world, please dont claim that Reese Daly is that guard, he is too inconsistent to hold his own against some of the Penrith Guards (Moorehead, Simpson etc), they have a great interior game (Hawkes) but yeah they need the guards to help them, give them someone to pass out to that will help stop the double teams. Penriff is quite strong as well with Dawson and Slack, Then there is the Cooper factor, freaking idiot, the main reason Penrith has lost so many good players, I have personally at least 5 of my friends now playing ABA who have left because of that coach. Penrith has lost at least 4 players to Hawkes because of the So called genius that is Cooper. I guess though without his work at ruining the Penriff organisation there wouldnt be this good rivalry between Hawkes and Riff as the good players wouldnt have gone there and Riff would have continued to kick the crap outta them, so I guess we thank Cooper for making it a good rivalry in that sense.

In the end, I really dont care who wins, I just like watching the games as its pretty much always close and played physical. Great to watch

One thing though would be to see both of the teams not in such and easy pool as last season, I mean they pretty much had a walk to the semis.

Ah well, the 09 season will be a good season and one to watch.

Time for the Momentum to look like a Gnome and move

EDIT: Ok, just found out that Simpson went to Hawkes (congrats Cooper) and has quit as of holidays. He would have made a big change obviously for Hawkes as for a consistent 3 point and Mid range threat. That would have been good to see him play with that, I would actually tip it towards Hawkes getting the W just for opening up the game for the Hawkes bigs

[StiLL Momentum]

It should be noted that not only are players leaving Penrith but also coaches. This past year -

Four Junior Rep Div 1 Head coaches
One Junior Rep Div 1 Assistant coach
One Junior Rep Div 2 Head coach
State League Women's Head Coach

So there is something seriously wrong at Penrith!!!!!

There is, its amazing some of the choices that has been made for coaches, in that place its not about your knowledge and what you can bring its all about who you know, its sad too as Ive seen some good coaches come through there that werent given the time or place as he was in the "in" crowd, same with players also

[The Unbias Bias]

It should be noted that not only are players leaving Penrith but also coaches. This past year -

Four Junior Rep Div 1 Head coaches
One Junior Rep Div 1 Assistant coach
One Junior Rep Div 2 Head coach
State League Women's Head Coach

So there is something seriously wrong at Penrith!!!!!

No chance of coincidence there! That's a huge turnover of staff in one year! I guess one person's dipshit is another's friendly, personable, honest etc etc...

I've said for a while that Penrith has some problems & agree that as a "Big 8" association, they should have teams playing ABA but saying 2 coaches are the cause of all that is supposedly wrong at an association the size of Penrith is pretty shortsighted.

Certain people at penrith have raved on and on since they were last in Waratah ABA that it was a cost cutting measure not to have a team in the competition- did they not play SEABL a couple of years back?

As for Moore and Cooper- yes there are many people who do not hold them in any type of esteem but there are also just as many who are intimidated into submission and tolerate their basketball existence because of the influence they do hold at Penrith. The old saying of its not what you know but who you know comes to mind so if you want any kind of gig up the mountain way- shut your mouth or say the right things!

That's exactly what i've been saying, couldnt have written it any better if i tried. I mean for the SL team 10/12 of those chosen are there on skill i reckon, the other 2 are because of who they know, but as far as coaching appointments and players they pick elsewhere its all about who u know, and many people still there tolerate their shit but always remain unhappy behind the scenes. If they'd have kept a good relationship with players who have left to go to aba penrith would have a more than competitive aba side these days, thus making their money angle as an excuse to only play SL almost non-existent if they had a competitive team.

[stylin]

Well this was the draw at the meeting. (Teams with a W is also fielding a womens team)

Pool A
Grafton
Tamworth - W
Port Macquarie
Ballina - W
Lismore - W
Coffs Harbour - W

Pool B
Queanbeyan
Griifith
Moss Vale
Wagga Wagga - W
Shoalhaven - W
Bathurst - W
Illawarra - W

Pool C
Penrith - W
Hawkesbury - W
Newcastle - W
Dubbo - W
CC Power - W
CC Crusaders - W

Pool D
Macarthur
Springwood
Sutherland
Norths
Hornsby
Maitland

This is what was made up by NSW. But from there i hear that Sutherland has dropped out due to $$.

[Daevo]

It should be noted that not only are players leaving Penrith but also coaches. This past year -

Four Junior Rep Div 1 Head coaches
One Junior Rep Div 1 Assistant coach
One Junior Rep Div 2 Head coach
State League Women's Head Coach

So there is something seriously wrong at Penrith!!!!!

No chance of coincidence there! That's a huge turnover of staff in one year! [quote="Skindog the Hawk":1zn4dayo]I guess one person's dipshit is another's friendly, personable, honest etc etc...

I've said for a while that Penrith has some problems & agree that as a "Big 8" association, they should have teams playing ABA but saying 2 coaches are the cause of all that is supposedly wrong at an association the size of Penrith is pretty shortsighted.

Certain people at penrith have raved on and on since they were last in Waratah ABA that it was a cost cutting measure not to have a team in the competition- did they not play SEABL a couple of years back?

As for Moore and Cooper- yes there are many people who do not hold them in any type of esteem but there are also just as many who are intimidated into submission and tolerate their basketball existence because of the influence they do hold at Penrith. The old saying of its not what you know but who you know comes to mind so if you want any kind of gig up the mountain way- shut your mouth or say the right things!

That's exactly what i've been saying, couldnt have written it any better if i tried. I mean for the SL team 10/12 of those chosen are there on skill i reckon, the other 2 are because of who they know, but as far as coaching appointments and players they pick elsewhere its all about who u know, and many people still there tolerate their shit but always remain unhappy behind the scenes. If they'd have kept a good relationship with players who have left to go to aba penrith would have a more than competitive aba side these days, thus making their money angle as an excuse to only play SL almost non-existent if they had a competitive team.[/quote:1zn4dayo]
So which 2 players do you think didn't deserve selection? (PM me if you don't want to post).

As to coaches leaving last year, does that list crazybbr posted include:
- the 2 coaches who moved away from the area?
- the coach who changed jobs & now works weekends (but is still involved at penriff in a supporting role)?
- the State League Women's Head Coach who got an ABA gig?

It's hard to see how any association could stop departures like those. As for the remainder, in a program of 40-odd coaches, you'd expect to turnover a few each year & it's no different to what you'd see at other associations (e.g. see Sutherland's turnover in the past couple of years). All associations lose players & coaches from time to time....sure, some leave because they've had issues with the place & others simply because they think the grass is greener elsewhere. I don't think Penrith is all that different & I know that there have been some bitter departures at one of the nearby rivals discussed in this thread (also ask yourself why some of those who left Penrith went to one nearby rival when they actually live much closer to the other). It's not always one-sided either & quite often the association might have been happy to see the backs of a few who leave, especially given some of the bitterness they subsequently display.

There is a lot of what Penrith has or hasn't done over the years that I don't agree with (I left the place long ago) but it seems a few people posting here have an axe to grind & are being a little unfair in their criticism. Anyway, let's cut the anonymous sniping at individuals & look forward to what should be a good season including some local derbies with more than the usual passion.

[Skindog the Hawk]

Well this was the draw at the meeting....

I'm intrigued to see Illawarra in Pool B without any other Metro teams and an Illawarra State League Womens' side... :?

As for the Penrith woes...I tend to agree with Daevo here...in such a large program, changes are inevitable...

SD.

[fan since the old snakepit]

Hawks men unlikely to play if they remain in that pool. Women almost zero chance. Tentative nom only , lack of numbers to field a team at present.

[coachsteve]

Daevo,

not to mention the coaches who have been promoted from head coaching positions one level down to assistant coaches the next level up!
so there is some internal movement as well as external.
Funny though that there are always people who think they could do a better job, yet never a) apply for the position or b) never undertake the training required by BNSW and PDBA for coaching accred.
At least Penrith can claim to be a leader in expectations of coaches actually knowing how to coach and not just pacing the sideline screaming out B/S.

does the status of junior coaches departing include the junior head coach who departed mid-state-championship time due to illness? who is now coaching at another association.

To unbias - well i wonder why Wells got more court time in the run to the playoffs... could it have something to do with Angus Brandt departing to go to the States 3 weeks before finals? The whole team was required to lift - which is albeit a Penrith trait.

its always hard to return a championship team on paper player for player due simply to demographics, friendships, personal challenges, staff changes or whatever.
Its not the NBL where players are on 2-3 year contracts. Losing 50% of players over two years seems to be the norm in most associations.
i wonder how (the outed) hawkesbury players feel losing 50% of their players over the past two years!

at the end of the day, Penrith have 12 players on paper and a strong coach who's focus id suggest seems to be more about rebuilding with a chance for a fresh look, and develop a championship calibre team, not a team of championship players.
Penrith SL may not win it again in 2009, but unlike other one-hit associations, Penrith will be around for a long time yet in the competitive circles.

i do agree however with you Unbias on the quality of the YLM program - could have something to do with a fourth head coach in 4 years?
(the last three head coaches now in the Penrith SLM program - both SLM assistants having done the assistant first year, head coach next at YL level)

Finally,
This trend of Penrith to Hawkesbury seems to be pure financial.
Penrith keep their money in Juniors, with Juniors the association focus - thus the seniors have to put into their pockets to play.
Hawkesbury Seniors seemingly are the association focus - thus Juniors are offsetting the seniors costs

[The Unbias Bias]

Daevo,
not to mention the coaches who have been promoted from head coaching positions one level down to assistant coaches the next level up!
so there is some internal movement as well as external.
Funny though that there are always people who think they could do a better job, yet never a) apply for the position or b) never undertake the training required by BNSW and PDBA for coaching accred.
At least Penrith can claim to be a leader in expectations of coaches actually knowing how to coach and not just pacing the sideline screaming out B/S.

does the status of junior coaches departing include the junior head coach who departed mid-state-championship time due to illness? who is now coaching at another association.

To unbias - well i wonder why Wells got more court time in the run to the playoffs... could it have something to do with Angus Brandt departing to go to the States 3 weeks before finals? The whole team was required to lift - which is albeit a Penrith trait.

its always hard to return a championship team on paper player for player due simply to demographics, friendships, personal challenges, staff changes or whatever.
Its not the NBL where players are on 2-3 year contracts. Losing 50% of players over two years seems to be the norm in most associations.
i wonder how (the outed) hawkesbury players feel losing 50% of their players over the past two years!

at the end of the day, Penrith have 12 players on paper and a strong coach who's focus id suggest seems to be more about rebuilding with a chance for a fresh look, and develop a championship calibre team, not a team of championship players.
Penrith SL may not win it again in 2009, but unlike other one-hit associations, Penrith will be around for a long time yet in the competitive circles.

i do agree however with you Unbias on the quality of the YLM program - could have something to do with a fourth head coach in 4 years?
(the last three head coaches now in the Penrith SLM program - both SLM assistants having done the assistant first year, head coach next at YL level)

Finally,
This trend of Penrith to Hawkesbury seems to be pure financial.
Penrith keep their money in Juniors, with Juniors the association focus - thus the seniors have to put into their pockets to play.
Hawkesbury Seniors seemingly are the association focus - thus Juniors are offsetting the seniors costs

Yeah steve i wonder who ur comment about coaches being promoted refers to....... i dunno if a certain coach quitting on a team half way through the season to hanging off cooper for the second half of a state league season deserves any accolades or acknowledgment. From what ive seen there has been a greater movement outwards of higher level coaches than inward, doesnt take a genius to notice that.

And obviously there are going to be peopel placing criticism, but for the renumeration ud get for working at penrith its not worth the time or argument, since coaches are voluntary and the rep coordinators pay is hardly attractive. Furthermore, whats the point in taking higher level training when people who are in the 'in-crowd' at penrith get promoted above those who apply for the same position, based on the who they know not what they know philosophy. And you can claim to be a leader in expectations of coaches, which to me makes no sense when year after year penrith have been the weakest big 8 association program around for juniors.

And regarding Wells your contradicting urself there - ur stating that there was no other choice but to play him and place any personal greivances aside because the player infront of him had left... and ur way off on it being hard to return a championship team on paper - if ur winning consistantly doesnt that make it easier????? and ur wrong again about it being the norm for other associations losing 50% of there players, springwood havent had that problem and even hawkesbury havent, those players who have been ousted by the influx of ex-panthers are still on the training squad and appear to be remaining loyal to their association of choice. i.e. not leaving.

I agree that cooper will do his best with the talented roster he has and penrith will be competitive yet again, and of course they'll remain competitive in SL as the only big-8 association with their primary senior team at this level. As far as the costs go i have no idea of the differences or philosophies the 2 associations take towards this, i know SL costs are alot higher than that of juniors and since we're dealing with adults they should be able to make up this financial difference in my view, not rely on the association to make it easier on them at the expense of juniors.

[Daevo]

So enough of the westie bitch session, what's the news with other teams? I'd like to know what players the Crusaders have picked up with the collapse of their ABA program (gee, fancy a big, successful association not having an ABA presence :P) since I know their 4 big names are playing ABA at Hornsby. Speaking of Hornsby, their state league program appointed a very handy coaching duo who I hear are keen to restore the Spiders to their former SBL glory. Are Illawarra & Sutho in or out? What news from the south west stylin - are you guys a strong chance for the playoffs this year?

[FeelinDaHeat]

So enough of the westie bitch session, what's the news with other teams? I'd like to know what players the Crusaders have picked up with the collapse of their ABA program (gee, fancy a big, successful association not having an ABA presence :P) since I know their stars are all playing ABA at Hornsby. Speaking of Hornsby, their state league program appointed a very handy coaching duo who I hear are keen to restore the Spiders to their former SBL glory. Are Illawarra & Sutho in or out? What news from the south west stylin - are you guys a strong chance for the playoffs this year?

Crusaders hanging on to Noman Shoaib is a huge plus- the guy is a flat out scoring machine who was practically unguardable in ABA for the last 3 seasons! He could do some serious damage in SL! In fact, he WILL do some serious damage, lock him in for the scoring title! Finlay and Green will be an interesting player/coach combo. I'm sure Green will dominate like Bruce dominates the senior mens comps! :D

[stylin]

Are Illawarra & Sutho in or out? What news from the south west stylin - are you guys a strong chance for the playoffs this year?
Im not sure at all whats going on around the city associations... But i do know way to much about Penrith and Hawkesbury now... :lol: We have some new players who will make a HUGE case in SBL. I wont name him yet as he isnt 100% but towards "FeelinDaHeats" comment of Noman Shoaib... We will have a player who is just as capable. So a showdown in the finals again? On terms of that our YL team is stacked! We have a very good seniors program going on at the moment.

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

we've got a tentative commitment from someone who will win the scoring title at SBL level. We should have him for April, and it depends on his SEABL commitments if we can get him for a full season.

We also are talking to a former NBL development player to come home. A few ex ABAers, Shoalhaven will not be the same team as last year at all. Only 1 starter returning, as jealousy is in full swing!

[coachsteve]

Yeah steve i wonder who ur comment about coaches being promoted refers to....... i dunno if a certain coach quitting on a team half way through the season to hanging off cooper for the second half of a state league season deserves any accolades or acknowledgment. From what ive seen there has been a greater movement outwards of higher level coaches than inward, doesnt take a genius to notice that.

Wonder if thats the same coach who had to leave due to work reasons as Daevo suggested... having to work sundays or something? would that also be the same coach who gave the association six weeks notice and suggested three names as replacement coaches, and left a fully detailed development and training plan for the team to follow as to not be disadvantaged...
and would the team we be referring to be the team that then picked up a state coach to finish off the season?

[coachsteve]

Stylin, good to hear Macarthur has a strong program going in the seniors - then again you always have.
im sure if the stadium issue wasnt there, Macarthur would defiantely have a strong case for an ABA side.

Hmm, would that be three "strong" associations that dont have ABA programs that have the talent, but not the financial backing of the community.

[StiLL Momentum]

It's sad all this talk about Cooper and about how good he is, (yes they won 2 SL titles, but even some of the players themselves say they dont listen to a word he says), I mean he is in this purely for himself and self gratification. I mean he leaves a 12's team which he was supposed to stay and help develop all the way to 18's but left the season after they came dead last. Wow, thats commitment, Please that guy is a joke, 5 Players I know personally have left Penrith due to him, ABA players too, Then the rest who have gone to Hawkes because of him, and 3 of those players have said so personally to me. Penrith has and always be about who you know to move up in that place. There are coaches that are always on their knees around Cooper but the few that actually have the guts to stand up to him get pushed away. It's sad, some good coaches have gone to other associations purely because of this one person.

Off the bitch session on my side. Ive said wat I have too.

Good to hear Macarthur seniors, I have a friend Luke that plays there and he was telling me the SL team is looking quite strong this season. good to hear.

Personally I'm looking forward to the Hawkes v Penrith games this season, for me as a fan, it will be great to watch.

[FeelinDaHeat]

we've got a tentative commitment from someone who will win the scoring title at SBL level. We should have him for April, and it depends on his SEABL commitments if we can get him for a full season.

We also are talking to a former NBL development player to come home. A few ex ABAers, Shoalhaven will not be the same team as last year at all. Only 1 starter returning, as jealousy is in full swing!

Is the Pope coming back is he? and Riley-Henderson?Are Illawarra & Sutho in or out? What news from the south west stylin - are you guys a strong chance for the playoffs this year?
Im not sure at all whats going on around the city associations... But i do know way to much about Penrith and Hawkesbury now... :lol: We have some new players who will make a HUGE case in SBL. I wont name him yet as he isnt 100% but towards "FeelinDaHeats" comment of Noman Shoaib... We will have a player who is just as capable. So a showdown in the finals again? On terms of that our YL team is stacked! We have a very good seniors program going on at the moment.

is your mate Steve coming back again for the annual cameo?

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

eww, I am not from Illawarra! :argh: :wink:

[Daevo]

Sorry but I can't let this one slide...
he leaves a 12's team which he was supposed to stay and help develop all the way to 18's

That would be a 1st in the Penrith or any other rep program I know of - you just don't get the same coach sticking with a team for that long & you wouldn't want to since kids need to develop under a range of different influences & styles.

[fan since the old snakepit]

we've got a tentative commitment from someone who will win the scoring title at SBL level. We should have him for April, and it depends on his SEABL commitments if we can get him for a full season.

We also are talking to a former NBL development player to come home. A few ex ABAers, Shoalhaven will not be the same team as last year at all. Only 1 starter returning, as jealousy is in full swing!
I'd say the NBL development guy Bass is talking about is pretty Goode.

[Coachpete]

Sorry but I can't let this one slide...
he leaves a 12's team which he was supposed to stay and help develop all the way to 18's

That would be a 1st in the Penrith or any other rep program I know of - you just don't get the same coach sticking with a team for that long & you wouldn't want to since kids need to develop under a range of different influences & styles.

C'mon......don't let reason and sense intrude on mindless personal attacks on a decent bloke who's not here (and probably wouldn't be bothered wasting his time) to defend himself

[coachsteve]

Sorry but I can't let this one slide...
he leaves a 12's team which he was supposed to stay and help develop all the way to 18's

That would be a 1st in the Penrith or any other rep program I know of - you just don't get the same coach sticking with a team for that long & you wouldn't want to since kids need to develop under a range of different influences & styles.

C'mon......don't let reason and sense intrude on mindless personal attacks on a decent bloke who's not here (and probably wouldn't be bothered wasting his time) to defend himself
I was thinking along the lines similar to that Coachpete - this Coops bashing b/s is getting to a defamatory level and i hope that Ozhoops moderators are consulting their legal department on whats acceptable comment for online publication.

Fair enough lets talk about teams this and teams that; and how bad penrith look on paper, but are able to win etc etc... but starting to point the finger at someone, especially from people who are 'observing' this action and not a part of his day to day team etc is beginning to become a joke.

Has anyone stopped and thought that the "mass defections" from the association may not just be from two people's "agendas", but from the rumours, bickering and backstabbing from disgruntled punters during their time within the association, who, mostly, are no longer there.
Which brings to the age-old point - if you dont like it, leave.

[The Unbias Bias]

Sorry but I can't let this one slide...
he leaves a 12's team which he was supposed to stay and help develop all the way to 18's

That would be a 1st in the Penrith or any other rep program I know of - you just don't get the same coach sticking with a team for that long & you wouldn't want to since kids need to develop under a range of different influences & styles.

Yeah most people take ur view Daevo but that was Cooper's plan, to take one team from u/12 through to u/18s, apparently to enforce some form of consistant level of coaching from someone who on paper knows more, didnt last very long though. I'm sure in the next few posts we'll hear the obvious disagreements or excuses for why this didnt eventuate...

[stylin]

Stylin, good to hear Macarthur has a strong program going in the seniors - then again you always have.
im sure if the stadium issue wasnt there, Macarthur would defiantely have a strong case for an ABA side.
Hmm, would that be three "strong" associations that dont have ABA programs that have the talent, but not the financial backing of the community.

To true Steve! Our seniors are only still strong as we all have got a few more years and our youth are strong too. But if you were to see our junior teams then you could see that we are going to struggle badly in the future! Its a shame as we have a great record for bball in Syd.

As speaking before about a new player who will be up there for scoring title... Then it might not happen. He looks to be picked up to Parra ABA. But come training next week we are still hopefulle.... :?

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

[quote="A Really Bad Bass Player":2v23upne]we've got a tentative commitment from someone who will win the scoring title at SBL level. We should have him for April, and it depends on his SEABL commitments if we can get him for a full season.

We also are talking to a former NBL development player to come home. A few ex ABAers, Shoalhaven will not be the same team as last year at all. Only 1 starter returning, as jealousy is in full swing!
I'd say the NBL development guy Bass is talking about is pretty Goode.[/quote:2v23upne]

oh, that was terrible...but we do want him

[StiLL Momentum]

this Coops bashing b/s is getting to a defamatory level and i hope that Ozhoops moderators are consulting their legal department on whats acceptable comment for online publication.

LOL, grow up

If someone cant take criticism thats pretty pathetic, I am not bashing on Cooper, Im stating facts, just because you attached to his pockets is not my fault, the association about 10 years ago was filled with great players, People came to watch games purely to see some of these players, I was one to come watch, Due to the infuence of your Cooper, they left. NOT all, but most.

This is not slander its just straight facts. We are all grown men on here, we arent little kids, if we cant handle some criticism then nothing will change and no one can vent their feelings. I believe Penrith needs some major changes in the association starting with your best friend Cooper and some of the people running the organisation, but that association has been going into the ground and will continue until change is made. its sad, I actually liked playing there, still do. but changes has to be made on the Senior level.


Has anyone stopped and thought that the "mass defections" from the association may not just be from two people's "agendas", but from the rumours, bickering and backstabbing from disgruntled punters during their time within the association, who, mostly, are no longer there.
Which brings to the age-old point - if you dont like it, leave.

Sorry Steve, your wrong, these people who have left have said BEFORE and after that it was mainly because of your friend that they left. I take their word over a biased one as yours. Why should I leave? so people can stay quiet and watch some guy run a place into the ground? Look its clear you only see it one way as I see it from a more broad view. So its like talking to a brick wall.

I will leave the Cooper "bashing" as you say at that.

I see this is a basketball forum and not one for bashing on a particular person. so yeah I will leave it at that, so Coachsteve doesnt get his legal team on me, lol. but for real, ill keep it to ball

As speaking before about a new player who will be up there for scoring title... Then it might not happen. He looks to be picked up to Parra ABA. But come training next week we are still hopefulle.... :?

Who would that be? Im serious, lol, as I dont know

[stylin]

As speaking before about a new player who will be up there for scoring title... Then it might not happen. He looks to be picked up to Parra ABA. But come training next week we are still hopefulle.... :?

Who would that be? Im serious, lol, as I dont know

I will let you know soon. I believe Daevo has worked it out... :roll:

[The Unbias Bias]

Sorry but I can't let this one slide...
he leaves a 12's team which he was supposed to stay and help develop all the way to 18's

That would be a 1st in the Penrith or any other rep program I know of - you just don't get the same coach sticking with a team for that long & you wouldn't want to since kids need to develop under a range of different influences & styles.

C'mon......don't let reason and sense intrude on mindless personal attacks on a decent bloke who's not here (and probably wouldn't be bothered wasting his time) to defend himself
I was thinking along the lines similar to that Coachpete - this Coops bashing b/s is getting to a defamatory level and i hope that Ozhoops moderators are consulting their legal department on whats acceptable comment for online publication.

Fair enough lets talk about teams this and teams that; and how bad penrith look on paper, but are able to win etc etc... but starting to point the finger at someone, especially from people who are 'observing' this action and not a part of his day to day team etc is beginning to become a joke.

Has anyone stopped and thought that the "mass defections" from the association may not just be from two people's "agendas", but from the rumours, bickering and backstabbing from disgruntled punters during their time within the association, who, mostly, are no longer there.
Which brings to the age-old point - if you dont like it, leave.

Well considering its only constructive criticism and not deflammatory or abusive language towards Cooper i dont see a problem with it, and since when has anyone bagged out penrith on paper? dont recall seeing any quotes from anyone suggesting that, signs of a desperate individual to me. its only the coach we're discussing here, and to quote from ur most recent post coach steve "if you dont like it, leave." perhaps you should put those words into practice if you cant handle criticism of ur beloved cooper! I think to anyone if u observe his actions and see how he influences an association and individuals, good or bad, u have the right to voice your opinion.

And as far as ur mass defections from penrith being based on rumours, bickering etc. i have one word for that suggestion - nah! close but way off once again mate, for someone who's intertwined in the jeff-leonie saga up to his neck i wouldve expected more. And if everyone based their decisions on ur "age old point ' if u dont like it, leave" than we'd just have a dictatorship that is known as penrith basketball on our hands, not open to new suggestions or ideas on how to improve themselves, i didnt realise penrith took such a harsh and egotistical approach like u suggest?
Here's a suggestion u might wanna take under ur wing steve - learn to coach, be critical of those ur at the mercy of and dont get the legal team on me if u disagree with what i've said!

[StiLL Momentum]

As speaking before about a new player who will be up there for scoring title... Then it might not happen. He looks to be picked up to Parra ABA. But come training next week we are still hopefulle.... :?

Who would that be? Im serious, lol, as I dont know

I will let you know soon. I believe Daevo has worked it out... :roll:

Now thats just unfair, lol.

[Coachpete]

[quote]As speaking before about a new player who will be up there for scoring title... Then it might not happen. He looks to be picked up to Parra ABA. But come training next week we are still hopefulle.... :?

Who would that be? Im serious, lol, as I dont know

I will let you know soon. I believe Daevo has worked it out... :roll:

Now thats just unfair, lol.[/quote:1fd4b53s]

TL??

[stylin]

[quote]As speaking before about a new player who will be up there for scoring title... Then it might not happen. He looks to be picked up to Parra ABA. But come training next week we are still hopefulle.... :?
Who would that be? Im serious, lol, as I dont know
I will let you know soon. I believe Daevo has worked it out... :roll:
Now thats just unfair, lol.
TL??[/quote:1b9n9opb]
Okay okay! Everyone seems to know except still momentum :lol: Timmy labka. But like i said it may not be happening now... :(

[StiLL Momentum]

[quote]As speaking before about a new player who will be up there for scoring title... Then it might not happen. He looks to be picked up to Parra ABA. But come training next week we are still hopefulle.... :?
Who would that be? Im serious, lol, as I dont know
I will let you know soon. I believe Daevo has worked it out... :roll:
Now thats just unfair, lol.
TL??
Okay okay! Everyone seems to know except still momentum :lol: Timmy labka. But like i said it may not be happening now... :([/quote:2udjvpye]

Ahh, that sux. if it doesnt work out

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

ok, my info on Wagga was wrong but from what I am hearing now it is Griffith in major money troubles...no team for them this season

[The Unbias Bias]

Hey just wondering if anyone on here has any idea of the rep fees payable this year compared to last, since we've been told of the aba ones are potentially coming down just curious to see if state league has any changes???
Also any news on which teams have pulled out or are thinking of it, last i heard was sutherland are gone???

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

I've heard Sutherland (only on here), Griffith (due to somebody spending way too much money last year), and probably Illawarra as NSWB are refusing to let them play in Pool D...I hope they reconsider.

Queanbeyan is going to be a lot weaker, as Shoalhaven have picked up a few of their navy boys ( :mrgreen: ), and some guys going to ABA Nationals and Gunners. Also without ACC happening at end of ABA season, their will be a lot less national exposure for ABA teams, so some players may jus avoid the extra cost and stick to State League. Also, the ABA costs should only be coming down because ACC is done. So it should not affect the NSWSBL costs. SHOULD...

[The Unbias Bias]

I've heard Sutherland (only on here), Griffith (due to somebody spending way too much money last year), and probably Illawarra as NSWB are refusing to let them play in Pool D...I hope they reconsider.

Queanbeyan is going to be a lot weaker, as Shoalhaven have picked up a few of their navy boys ( :mrgreen: ), and some guys going to ABA Nationals and Gunners. Also without ACC happening at end of ABA season, their will be a lot less national exposure for ABA teams, so some players may jus avoid the extra cost and stick to State League. Also, the ABA costs should only be coming down because ACC is done. So it should not affect the NSWSBL costs. SHOULD...

Yeah that's not good to hear about either sutherland or illawarra, as they are both strong associations who always provide tough competition. The general impression im getting from what i read on here is that some teams have just wilted and others are getting vastly better because of this. I wonder whether bnsw will reconsider the configuration of their pools to try and encourage teams to stay, like illawarra as u mentioned. Surely its to their benefit, and everyone involved, and isnt that hard to re-do a draw 2 months before the season to get the extra $$$ they will from them staying in the comp? It'll be interesting to see which former aba players drop down to state league, im guessing it'll happen just before the season starts from the associations who field both teams.

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

I'd love to see BNSW do something similar to what they did in 2001/2002 by placing an equal number of metro teams with Country teams. For us our biggest game were the local derby vs Goulburn and the games against metro teams

[The Unbias Bias]

I'd love to see BNSW do something similar to what they did in 2001/2002 by placing an equal number of metro teams with Country teams. For us our biggest game were the local derby vs Goulburn and the games against metro teams

I havent been involved with state league that long so i didnt know that they ever did that, would be different but has both its pros and cons, at least everyone would have more exposure to other teams in the comp, unlike last season when we hadnt layed eyes on our semi-final opposition until the jump ball. I think asking wagga to ever travel to ballina or vice versa is unrealistic, if you could keep the country teams within 4-5 hours of the metro ones though i think its doable, also i love the local derbies and we havent got to play our 2 closest rivals since 2 seasons back, so them being in a different pool is annoying as well. Lets just hope bnsw come to some agreement with illawaraa so they dont pussy out over the travel.

[Daevo]

The 2-halves draw was north & south right? I seem to recall that working pretty well except some metro teams complaining about the road-trip doubles to Wagga/Goulburn & Bathurst/Dubbo. The Sunday games were always toughest as I recall :wink:

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

The 2-halves draw was north & south right? I seem to recall that working pretty well except some metro teams complaining about the road-trip doubles to Wagga/Goulburn & Bathurst/Dubbo. The Sunday games were always toughest as I recall :wink:

yeah, those weekends were tough. we changed it to be a Griffith/Wagga Wagga. Road doubles are always tough, but, they cut down costs for those long distance trips.

Also, metro teams are ALWAYS soft when it comes to real travel. Coachpete and I had a big chat about this years ago. He wanted to know why, at that time, country teams always won against metro. Times have changed however, it is more 50/50 than ever if not a complete power shift.

[roadie]

Travel is a bitch for he country teams, but a fact of life. I'm old enough to remember the Albury/Wagga road double from LISMORE! Now we can't get metro teams to travel 2 hrs up the F3 without whining.

[stylin]

Travel is a bitch for he country teams, but a fact of life. I'm old enough to remember the Albury/Wagga road double from LISMORE! Now we can't get metro teams to travel 2 hrs up the F3 without whining.
Good to see someone say how its a fact of life. Cause it really is as you are country towns not cities and takes hours to other associations. With Macarthur we havent really complained about the travel. We do prefer driving less as its easier but back 3 years ago when SBL changed all our road trips we just took it as being better as our weekends arnt completly taken up now. But we all miss the Dubbo and Bathurst roadie and the long drive down to Wagga and Griffith. With so many teams competing now its much easier to break us up into pools where you come from. I guess that will just happen cause there is more then 12 teams like it used to be.

[FeelinDaHeat]

Is Anthony Labka suiting up this year?

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

we had our first session for the year tonight. the boys worked hard. 20 players! Massive turnout

[stylin]

Is Anthony Labka suiting up this year?
Nah both Labkas are out. Tim is playing at Parra ABA. Anthony is working weekends so he hasnt been to a session yet. So more likely to be no :cry:

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

just thought I'd post the news. I've been sacked from the State League program at Shoalhaven.

The new coach wanted a fresh direction, and my role in establishing the program was not enough.

Kerrianne Floyd is the new coach. Possibly the woman coahcing men at the hihgest level around?

Anyway, guess I won't be in this thread that much anymore. Far out I am pissed about it. I'd even started the training sessions when she didn't turn up

[Coachpete]

just thought I'd post the news. I've been sacked from the State League program at Shoalhaven.

The new coach wanted a fresh direction, and my role in establishing the program was not enough.

Kerrianne Floyd is the new coach. Possibly the woman coahcing men at the hihgest level around?

Anyway, guess I won't be in this thread that much anymore. Far out I am pissed about it. I'd even started the training sessions when she didn't turn up

Bad luck mate. Now that you've been screwed over by your association you can really call yourself a coach :wink:

[stylin]

just thought I'd post the news. I've been sacked from the State League program at Shoalhaven.
The new coach wanted a fresh direction, and my role in establishing the program was not enough.
Kerrianne Floyd is the new coach. Possibly the woman coahcing men at the hihgest level around?
Anyway, guess I won't be in this thread that much anymore. Far out I am pissed about it. I'd even started the training sessions when she didn't turn up
Man that sux! Esp when your running and starting the sessions... We are still struggling to get a coach and you guys are sacking and recruiting... lol! :lol:

[The Unbias Bias]

just thought I'd post the news. I've been sacked from the State League program at Shoalhaven.
The new coach wanted a fresh direction, and my role in establishing the program was not enough.
Kerrianne Floyd is the new coach. Possibly the woman coahcing men at the hihgest level around?
Anyway, guess I won't be in this thread that much anymore. Far out I am pissed about it. I'd even started the training sessions when she didn't turn up
Man that sux! Esp when your running and starting the sessions... We are still struggling to get a coach and you guys are sacking and recruiting... lol! :lol:

If you guys dont get a coach that'd make it 3/4 years u havent had one? correct me if im wrong on those numbers. I dont get why a team with such a good recent track record, as far as winning goes, struggles to get a decent coach? Do you think it's an organisation thing or perhaps location?

[stylin]

If you guys dont get a coach that'd make it 3/4 years u havent had one? correct me if im wrong on those numbers. I dont get why a team with such a good recent track record, as far as winning goes, struggles to get a decent coach? Do you think it's an organisation thing or perhaps location?
Yeh i know! We had a coach in 2005 and didnt in 04, 06 and 07. Last year 08 we did but it didnt work out to well for us. The last 3 years we have made the final 4 and just hit a bump. With a coach that has demands and a drive we could easily of stepped up. I dont understand aswell? It seems that Macarthur has a stigma that we cant shake and its tuff to get outside people involved. Esp in the coaching. I would say its more organisation then location. Our stadium has had alot of money problems over the past 10years. So everyone works volunteer for the basketball.

[fan since the old snakepit]

Bring back Pete Rowsell

[stylin]

Bring back Pete Rowsell
Wow! :D Thats a great idea! Where is that guy. Last we heard he moved to Queensland. Is he back in Wollongong?

[fan since the old snakepit]

Still in QLD. Great guy.Just threw it in for a laugh because he played for and coached (?)you guys a few years ago.


Hawks men to nominate and will play (begrudgeingly) in S/L south.

[stylin]

Still in QLD. Great guy.Just threw it in for a laugh because he played for and coached (?)you guys a few years ago.
Hawks men to nominate and will play (begrudgeingly) in S/L south.

Dam! Way to get my hopes up! :cry:

[Bob Mc]

Meeting at Newcastle Basketball on Wednesday night on if State League Mens team would go ahead ! ! ! ! !

[stylin]

Meeting at Newcastle Basketball on Wednesday night on if State League Mens team would go ahead ! ! ! ! !
So Newcastle might be gone aswell?...

On other news we have secured a coach. He played for Razorbacks and also for Colorado in college. So this should hopefully help us alot!

[CGG]

Armidale and UNE are joining forces to enter a State League team in the Northern Competition in 2009. This is Armidale’s first foray into this higher league and we look forward to some great competition. This is exciting news for those players who are now too old for the NJL. The team will have 9 home games and 9 away games and we hope that the basketball community will get behind the team and attend their home games. Once the draw for the competition is completed by NSW, we will have more information for our spectators and sponsors.

Got this through on an e-mail with the draw for next week. Interesting?

[Daevo]

Interesting indeed....any hints who might be in the team?

[CGG]

God knows! Everyone I know has left town for uni by the end of this weekend.

[Daevo]

Hang on, don't you have a uni in....oh right, a real uni :P
(LC is probably gonna kill me for that :wink:)

[CGG]

Hang on, don't you have a uni in....oh right, a real uni :P
(LC is probably gonna kill me for that :wink:)

Excuse me! UNE doesn't run the particular courses that others do - so we share our quality youth with other less fortunate population centres. :P

[stylin]

Armidale and UNE are joining forces to enter a State League team in the Northern Competition in 2009. This is Armidale’s first foray into this higher league and we look forward to some great competition. This is exciting news for those players who are now too old for the NJL. The team will have 9 home games and 9 away games and we hope that the basketball community will get behind the team and attend their home games. Once the draw for the competition is completed by NSW, we will have more information for our spectators and sponsors.
Excellent. The more teams the better. Hopefully they will add some strength to the North Pool.

[The Unbias Bias]

Yeah considering how a few teams have dropped out its good to hear of someone taking the plunge into state league, it'll be intersting to see if anyone can topple grafton from their northern throne this season, from the sound of it that is highly unlikely though.

[Daevo]

I hear that Hawkesbury has withdrawn their nomination for a state league women's team so we'll have to live with just the rivalry between the men's teams in the riverlands for another year.

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

Eurobudalla (sic) are in South men is what I've heard...good news with Griffith out

[stylin]

Anyone have when the first week is starting? No draw has been sent out to Macarthur...

[Skindog the Hawk]

I'd heard a rumour that Youth League 1 will start in the same weekend as ABA (7-8 March), Youth League Men 2 will be the weekend after probably. As for State League Men/Women, I'd say we may have to wait till the last weekend of March?

[Bob Mc]

Final nominations where due yesterday for state league with Newcastle pulling the pin on the male state league side and rumour is so did 2 other teams. So you would think a draw could be done by the end of next week seen the comp was to be starting the week after ABA.

[Daevo]

Eurobudalla (sic) are in South men
Where are they based?

[Coachpete]

Eurobudalla (sic) are in South men
Where are they based?

Eurobodalla Shire is Batemans Bay/Moruya area so I imagine that's them

[Daevo]

Yeah....my brother lives down that way which is why I wondered where they play

[Coachpete]

I'll take a guess and say Batemans Bay

[The Unbias Bias]

Just wondering if anyone can tell us who all the teams were that pulled the pin and wont be playing this season? I heard recently that hawkesbury girls are out so hawkesbury men might be moving to pool d from pool c? If anyone knows this for sure it'd be great to find out.

[CGG]

Or when the draw might be out? Be interesting to watch our first timers run.

[The Oracle]

Hawkesbury now linked with the other teams which don't have women's teams.
7-Mar Sat 1 1066 BHSSC 0 0 MD Springwood Scorchers v Hawkesbury Jets
14-Mar Sat 2 1069 MFC 0 0 MD Maitland Mustangs v Hawkesbury Jets
21-Mar Sat 3 1003 HIS 0 0 MD Hawkesbury Jets v Bye
28-Mar Sat 4 1062 HIS 0 0 MD Hawkesbury Jets v Norths Bears
4-Apr Sat 5 1052 HIS 0 0 MD Hawkesbury Jets v Maitland Mustangs
18-Apr Sat 6 1068 BP 0 0 MD Illawarra Hawks v Hawkesbury Jets
19-Apr Sun 6 1048 HIS 0 0 MD Hawkesbury Jets v Springwood Scorchers
25-Apr Sat 7 1044 B'PIT 0 0 MD Hornsby Spiders v Hawkesbury Jets
2-May Sat 8 1056 HIS 0 0 MD Hawkesbury Jets v Macarthur Heat
9-May Sat 9 1039 HIS 0 0 MD Hawkesbury Jets v Bye
10-May Sun 9 1082 HIS 0 0 MD Illawarra Hawks v Hawkesbury Jets
16-May Sat 10 1077 NSISC 0 0 MD Norths Bears v Hawkesbury Jets
23-May Sat 11 1012 BHSSC 0 0 MD Springwood Scorchers v Hawkesbury Jets
30-May Sat 12 1032 BP 0 0 MD Hawkesbury Jets v Illawarra Hawks
13-Jun Sat 13 1080 HIS 0 0 MD Hawkesbury Jets v Hornsby Spiders
14-Jun Sun 13 1020 MISC 0 0 MD Macarthur Heat v Hawkesbury Jets
20-Jun Sat 14 1026 HIS 0 0 MD Hawkesbury Jets v Norths Bears
27-Jun Sat 15 1075 HIS 0 0 MD Hawkesbury Jets v Bye
4-Jul Sat 16 1016 MFC 0 0 MD Maitland Mustangs v Hawkesbury Jets
11-Jul Sat 17 1008 HIS 0 0 MD Hawkesbury Jets v Hornsby Spiders
12-Jul Sun 17 1072 HIS 0 0 MD Hawkesbury Jets v Macarthur Heat

[Skindog the Hawk]

So in other words, Pool D =

Hawkesbury
Macarthur
Hornsby
Illawarra
Maitland
Norths
Springwood

Play each team 3 times for 18 games...not a bad deal IMHO.

SD.

[stylin]

So in other words, Pool D =
Hawkesbury
Macarthur
Hornsby
Illawarra
Maitland
Norths
Springwood
Play each team 3 times for 18 games...not a bad deal IMHO.
SD.
Yeh thats correct. Saw this on Saturday. Abit strange when theyve completely changed what was said at the meeting. Im not sure about the 3rd game which is either home or away... Doesnt really fit. I mean if every pool has the same amount of teams why not just a home and away game? Oh well its NSW bball... I guess this is thie first of many strange things this season... :lol: But seems like it could be still a tuff pool. Esp with Illawarra and Hawkesbury back.
Does anyone know what the other pools look like now that teams have dropped out etc? Cause if Hawkesbury and Newcastle have left pool C then how many teams are there?

[The Unbias Bias]

OK so can someone please clarify that pools C & D now have 4 & 7 teams respectively? Have i forgotten someone or does pool C now only have Penrith, Crewsaders, Power and Dubbo? And pool D has jumped from 5 to 7 teams (with the inclusions of hawkesbury and Illawarra and the loss of sutherland.) From my view this is shaping up as a near repeat of last year with respect of those 2 pools if what i've written is accurate, thus pool D being the pool of death (again) and pool C lying somewhere between a walk in the park and a joke.

[stylin]

OK so can someone please clarify that pools C & D now have 4 & 7 teams respectively? Have i forgotten someone or does pool C now only have Penrith, Crewsaders, Power and Dubbo? And pool D has jumped from 5 to 7 teams (with the inclusions of hawkesbury and Illawarra and the loss of sutherland.) From my view this is shaping up as a near repeat of last year with respect of those 2 pools if what i've written is accurate, thus pool D being the pool of death (again) and pool C lying somewhere between a walk in the park and a joke.
Im guessing its like that. Im waiting to see the pools. When someone does please post them up for us. If so then one team either Springwood, Hawkesbury or Maitland should move into pool C. "Apparently" Hawkesbvury was moved out due to them not having a womens team... They have to just make all the pools even before the let the womens comp affect the draw :argh:

[Daevo]

It was always a stupid idea to organise the men's pools on the basis of women's teams & now it's gone from bad to worse. They left Hawkesbury in Pool C last year without them having a women's team (after the farcical St George combination thing fell over) so I can't see why they couldn't do the same again. It's going to be a bloody boring season for the 4 teams in Pool C (although I wouldn't exactly call last year's pool a walk in the park UB).

[The Unbias Bias]

It was always a stupid idea to organise the men's pools on the basis of women's teams & now it's gone from bad to worse. They left Hawkesbury in Pool C last year without them having a women's team (after the farcical St George combination thing fell over) so I can't see why they couldn't do the same again. It's going to be a bloody boring season for the 4 teams in Pool C (although I wouldn't exactly call last year's pool a walk in the park UB).
I didnt say last year was, at least it was a 3 horse race for 1st and 2nd. But come on, 2 teams now vying for 1st-2nd and when they play the others it most likely will be a blow out everytime? If pool C stays at 4 teams they should only get 1 team into div 1 semis and perhaps pools A or D should get 3. What's fairer 2/4 making div 1 and 2/2 making div 2 along with 2/7 making div 1 and 2/5 remaining making div 2? Or 1/3 making div 1 and 2/3 making div 2 along with 3/7 making div 1 and 2/4 making div 2?

Furthermore, doesnt it seem only logical to put maitland in with the other central coastal teams? I mean how can illawarra be considered for another pool when they're closer to all of the teams in pool D than what maitland are? In terms of compeition and travel maitland should be in pool C.

[Daevo]

Yeah, the whole thing should be based on regions with no regard to whether clubs have both men's & women's teams or not (geez, some have YL & ABA as well....why not take that into account too :roll:). The number of playoff spots per pool should definitely take into account the number of teams - not sure if that means a 7 team pool deserves 3 spots (regardless of its strength) but only 1 from a 4 team pool sounds right.

[stylin]

I didnt say last year was, at least it was a 3 horse race for 1st and 2nd. But come on, 2 teams now vying for 1st-2nd and when they play the others it most likely will be a blow out everytime? If pool C stays at 4 teams they should only get 1 team into div 1 semis and perhaps pools A or D should get 3. What's fairer 2/4 making div 1 and 2/2 making div 2 along with 2/7 making div 1 and 2/5 remaining making div 2? Or 1/3 making div 1 and 2/3 making div 2 along with 3/7 making div 1 and 2/4 making div 2?

Furthermore, doesnt it seem only logical to put maitland in with the other central coastal teams? I mean how can illawarra be considered for another pool when they're closer to all of the teams in pool D than what maitland are? In terms of compeition and travel maitland should be in pool C.

This makes sense. If only 4 teams then only the top spot would go through. Although CC and Penrith both are strong enough for the finals! They should balance it up so they have another team in their pool. This would solve all issues and problems making most pools have 6 teams. Im just dying to see the way the pool shave been constrcuted. Maybe if its uneven i will send a fax to the associations and try get some sort of agreement with the pools that this will be affected by this. Im sure all 4 teams in one pool would be happy to have an extra few games balancing with the otehr pools!

[The Unbias Bias]

I didnt say last year was, at least it was a 3 horse race for 1st and 2nd. But come on, 2 teams now vying for 1st-2nd and when they play the others it most likely will be a blow out everytime? If pool C stays at 4 teams they should only get 1 team into div 1 semis and perhaps pools A or D should get 3. What's fairer 2/4 making div 1 and 2/2 making div 2 along with 2/7 making div 1 and 2/5 remaining making div 2? Or 1/3 making div 1 and 2/3 making div 2 along with 3/7 making div 1 and 2/4 making div 2?

Furthermore, doesnt it seem only logical to put maitland in with the other central coastal teams? I mean how can illawarra be considered for another pool when they're closer to all of the teams in pool D than what maitland are? In terms of compeition and travel maitland should be in pool C.

This makes sense. If only 4 teams then only the top spot would go through. Although CC and Penrith both are strong enough for the finals! They should balance it up so they have another team in their pool. This would solve all issues and problems making most pools have 6 teams. Im just dying to see the way the pool shave been constrcuted. Maybe if its uneven i will send a fax to the associations and try get some sort of agreement with the pools that this will be affected by this. Im sure all 4 teams in one pool would be happy to have an extra few games balancing with the otehr pools!

Yeah mate i agree totally, i thought last season us (Pool D) having 8 teams compared to 5 in Pool C was a joke, than they turn it around and give out the semi final spots evenly to every pool. This wasnt only unfair to pool D but both A & B as well. And to make it worse it looked like they'd initially fixed pool C somewhat this year, now they're 2 teams down and down to 4? I mean come on, this mens and womens crap is beyond a joke now, just about every other sport bases its pools regionally except for these ##*#** people, I'm sure penrith dont want to be playing the same team every 3-4 weeks, most likely the same feelings ud think every team in that pool would have.

[catstrat]

This draw is ridiculous.

There are two considerations that must take precedence when creating a draw:

1. Geography
2. Results

Last year pool D was a travesty. Sutherland, Mcarthur, Central Coast and Springwood were all legitimate title contenders, yet only 2 teams were able to progress. Whereas in Pool C only Penrith, Hawkesbury and Newcastle had a chance of advancing to the finals with Penrith and Hawkesbury doing so.

The draw as it supposedly stands now will have the same effect. Legitimate title contenders will miss out simply because of the numbers game.

I am sympathetic with country teams who have womens programs wanting to travel together to reduce costs on road trips. However, this should not enter into the discussion when the quality (not to mention fairness) of the competition is called in to question.

6 legitimate title contenders this year are in Pools C & D - Penrith, Hawkesbury, Hornsby (ie: Central Coast 2008), Springwood, Newcastle and Mcarthur.

These 6 teams should be split evenly between the two pools. This would result in 3 teams in each pool playing for 2 finals spots.

Instead we have a situation where 4 of these teams are located in Pool D (the '08 pool of death) fighting for the 2 finals spots, and the other two in Pool C essentially engaging in a weekly training session in preparation for the finals.

If NSW basketball cant get involved enough to suss out which teams are viable contenders and arrange the draw so as to give each of them a fair crack then its no wonder basketball in this state (not to mention the rest of the country) is falling by the wayside.

Anyway, thats my $0.02 as I see it at the moment. Lets hope this doesnt turn out to be the case.

[The Unbias Bias]

Almost everything ur saying is fair and accurate, except that you left out the crewsaders and illawarra as contenders, as it stands the crew are the title favourites to most atm arent they? And hornsby title contenders? is there something going on that the rest of us dont know there?

[catstrat]

Almost everything ur saying is fair and accurate, except that you left out the crewsaders and illawarra as contenders, as it stands the crew are the title favourites to most atm arent they? And hornsby title contenders? is there something going on that the rest of us dont know there?

I heard that the Crewsaders had capitulated and all their players had gone to Hornsby. Am I misinformed?

Illawarra are solid too.

[Daevo]

I hadn't heard about Crusaders SL players heading to Hornsby....4 of their ABA men moved down the F3 is all I heard.

I heard today that even with this business of Pool C teams being from associations that also have women's teams, the draw is not even coordinated so they play at the same venue with Penriff women playing Power on 7 March while the men play 14 March....pure genius at work there :roll:

[Sheed]

I heard Bathurst have a mens & womens team, so they will also be in pool c making 6 teams in that pool.

The problem i have with this pool system is the 3 rounds? Meaning you play some teams twice away & some teams twice at home? As you know playing at home is a fair advantage, & depending on how the draw falls for your team it can be unfair, esp how the final system is set up. Example- Hawkesbury played newcastle & penrith away twice, & at home once. Newcastle played both penrith & Hawkesbury at home twice. To make a long story short, this set up was a fair advantage for newcastle & a disadvantage for hawkesbury. I could be said this might of cost hawkesbury top spot, as 1st place in your pool, & a semi final win takes you straight to the finals weekend. 2nd place in the pool & a semi final win gives you a semi final in Grafton? Also at one stage it looked like there could of been a 3 way, or 2 way tie in the standings, thus meaning semi final spots would have been decided on a count back? Also if your looking at costs, in pool c some teams had to travell to dubbo twice & others once? I dont think this set up is fair! If its a home & away draw, it fair & there can be no arguments?
If they run it with the 4 pools i feel they should have more teams in the semi finals, maybe even allow a couple more weeks in the draw for semis, & get rid of the div 2 rubbish?

I thought all these points we're talking about were raised at the sbl meeting? I thought the majority of the teams agreed on these points? Im glad bbnsw were listening, & took our imput into consideration? Why bother having a meeting then?

[stylin]

I thought all these points we're talking about were raised at the sbl meeting? I thought the majority of the teams agreed on these points? Im glad bbnsw were listening, & took our imput into consideration? Why bother having a meeting then?Exactly! Whats the point of having all the associatons waste their time travelling for a meeting only to have it changed... Cant believe its changed so much from the meeting...

Almost everything ur saying is fair and accurate, except that you left out the crewsaders and illawarra as contenders, as it stands the crew are the title favourites to most atm arent they?
And yes Illawarra and Central Coast Crusaders are VERY good teams! In Pool D last year we had a 4 way tie for 2nd place. Macarthur, Springwood, Sutherland & Illawarra all have the same win / loss. Ive heard from Crusaders that they are atleast 2 players stronger. No idea about Illawarra this year but they are always good.

I heard today that even with this business of Pool C teams being from associations that also have women's teams, the draw is not even coordinated so they play at the same venue with Penriff women playing Power on 7 March while the men play 14 March....pure genius at work there HAHA! Are you for real!! Then why are the womens teams such a big reason! We are constantly finding more and more... :roll:

[stylin]

Okay another spanner to the works... If you saw your draw and in Pool D you had a bye. Then its changed. The bye is a new team which is Glebe.

So Pool D is - Macarthur, Hawkesbury, Norths, Hornsby, Maitland, Springwood, Illawarra and Glebe. A total of 8 teams.

I would love to see the other pools now... This is what im guessing?

Pool A 7 teams.
Grafton
Tamworth
Port Macquarie
Ballina
Lismore
Coffs Harbour
Also Armidale and UNE?

Pool B 6 teams.
Queanbeyan
Griifith (Changed to Eurobudalla)
Moss Vale
Wagga Wagga
Shoalhaven
Bathurst

Pool C 4 teams.
Penrith
Dubbo
CC Power
CC Crusaders

Pool D 8 teams.
Macarthur
Springwood
Norths
Hornsby
Maitland
Hawkesbury
Illawarra
Glebe

[Coachpete]

Yeah...good luck with a fair and equitable draw from that fucking shambles :lol:

[The Unbias Bias]

So after all of this supposed equality of pools shit it appears to have resulted in 4 teams in C and now 8 in D? Where does their stupidity end, and this news on glebe is interesting, i wonder if their home games will be played at glebe pcyc like their juniors do. if so they need to invest in a new court and rings cause those ones are woeful.

[fan since the old snakepit]

I still think they should go with three pools. North 7-9 teams as is.
Divide the other lot into two pools with the country teams evenly distributed into each one ( 9 teams each) Two rounds with an 8 team playoff format (2 nth, 3 each from the other pools.)

[Daevo]

this news on glebe is interesting, i wonder if their home games will be played at glebe pcyc like their juniors do. if so they need to invest in a new court and rings cause those ones are woeful.
I hope they fixed the hole in the floor....I remember a few years back it was so bad we were concerned that we could lose players down the thing :lol:

[Skindog the Hawk]

Agreed re: Glebe - certain Sydney clubs have requested an OHS audit on the venue as they have threatened not to play there until/unless it's fixed. :?

SD.

[The Oracle]

Okay another spanner to the works... If you saw your draw and in Pool D you had a bye. Then its changed. The bye is a new team which is Glebe.

So Pool D is - Macarthur, Hawkesbury, Norths, Hornsby, Maitland, Springwood, Illawarra and Glebe. A total of 8 teams.

I would love to see the other pools now... This is what im guessing?

Pool A 7 teams.
Grafton
Tamworth
Port Macquarie
Ballina
Lismore
Coffs Harbour
Also Armidale and UNE?

Pool B 6 teams.
Queanbeyan
Griifith (Changed to Eurobudalla)
Moss Vale
Wagga Wagga
Shoalhaven
Bathurst

Pool C 4 teams.
Penrith
Dubbo
CC Power
CC Crusaders

Pool D 8 teams.
Macarthur
Springwood
Norths
Hornsby
Maitland
Hawkesbury
Illawarra
Glebe

At least one change to these lists - Bathurst are in Pool C

[stylin]

so Bathurst in pool c. They need to evaluate the hole situation. If they want 2make it fair & even teams move illawarra to pool b & maitland to pool c. Then all wil hav about 6teams. We really need 2c the nsw website updatd! Ahh!

[Skindog the Hawk]

I would assume that Illawarra want to remain in Pool D due to their aversion to travel (hence they're in Pool D or they're out), but moving Maitland to Pool C (making 6 teams in C) would be a wise move (as a start). Maybe an invitation to the Canberra Nationals Men (who aren't playing Waratah ABA this season I believe) to play in Pool B might've been worth a phone call???

SD.

[stylin]

So we are guessing the pools will be like this now? To make it completely balanced we need a team from Pool D to move to Pool B. Then all teams should just play on a home and away basis. Then the comp will work very even and smooth. Just like it was "spoken" about at the meeting. By the way Illawarra is only like 30minutes from Shoalhaven and Mossvale. Just over an hour from Queanbeyan and the new team Eurobodalla is down the coast past Batemans Bay. So only a few hours aswell. The only real travel is Wagga Wagga. I think they want better games as they said in 2007.
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2971/pools.jpg

[Daevo]

That makes a lot of sense Stylin (you need a job? :P :wink: ) although I think I'd still rather be anywhere but Pool D....it's going to be tough.

[Skindog the Hawk]

Illawarra an hour from Queanbeyan??? Maybe if you fly dude...QBN is basically Canberra, so 2.5 hour trip ;)

Wollongong is actually one hour (not half an hour) from both Moss Vale and Shoalhaven...and as for Eurobodalla...ummm, maybe 2.5-3 hours?

Admittedly the travel in Pool D won't be much better - Macarthur is Illawarra's closest competitor (45 minutes) - but nothing over 1.5 hours if Maitland move to Pool C (I thought this was more our idea than anyone else's) and only 1 x 3 hour trip if Maitland remain in Pool D.

SD.

[Daevo]

Illawarra an hour from Queanbeyan??? Maybe if you fly dude...QBN is basically Canberra, so 2.5 hour trip ;)
I've told you before mate, you need a new car :P :wink:

[stylin]

That makes a lot of sense Stylin (you need a job? :P :wink: ) although I think I'd still rather be anywhere but Pool D....it's going to be tough.http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2971/pools.jpg
Haha. Thanks D. I might just hit up BNSW for a job soon? :shock: But there would probably more headaches then what we see... :roll: And sorry but yes a slight exaggeration of travel times there. W'gong is about 40minutes to Shoalhaven and Mossvale. Then about 2hrs to Queanbeyan. But isnt Illawarra used to playing them teams in the younger ages. In the juniors you all play the teams in Pool B. So why should it change come to seniors? :idea:

[Coachpete]

That makes a lot of sense Stylin (you need a job? :P :wink: ) although I think I'd still rather be anywhere but Pool D....it's going to be tough.http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2971/pools.jpg
Haha. Thanks D. I might just hit up BNSW for a job soon? :shock: But there would probably more headaches then what we see... :roll: And sorry but yes a slight exaggeration of travel times there. W'gong is about 40minutes to Shoalhaven and Mossvale. Then about 2hrs to Queanbeyan. But isnt Illawarra used to playing them teams in the younger ages. In the juniors you all play the teams in Pool B. So why should it change come to seniors? :idea:

It shouldn't. Anyone with a smattering of intelligence (ie not a ref or a BNSW employee) can plainly see that Illawarra belongs in Pool B geographically

[catstrat]

The fact still remains that Pool D is again the 'pool of death' with Hawkesbury, McCarthur, Springwood and Illawarra all legitimate contenders vying for only 2 playoff spots, whereas the other pools have no more than 2 legit contenders essentially ensuring them a place in the finals.

[stylin]

It shouldn't. Anyone with a smattering of intelligence (ie not a ref or a BNSW employee) can plainly see that Illawarra belongs in Pool B geographically
Why is it that only Illawarra want to change that then? Shouldnt BNSW see that.
The fact still remains that Pool D is again the 'pool of death' with Hawkesbury, McCarthur, Springwood and Illawarra all legitimate contenders vying for only 2 playoff spots, whereas the other pools have no more than 2 legit contenders essentially ensuring them a place in the finals.
Very true. If we go by last years results. The top 2 quite comfortable should be.
Pool A - Grafton with Tamworth and Port Mac fighting for 2nd.
Pool B - Queanbeyan looks like the only "stronger team" with possibly Wagga.
Pool C - CC Crusaders and Penrith.
Pool D - Macarthur, Illawarra, Hawkesbury, Springwood all going for 1st and 2nd place so anyones game.
But that being said i hope all the other teams have got tuffer this season.

[The Unbias Bias]

After the first sniff of the news pools i was hoping pool C would get some of what all of us in pool D did last season, but my how the tables have turned, and it looks as hard if not more difficult in pool D this year.

[catstrat]

[quote]It shouldn't. Anyone with a smattering of intelligence (ie not a ref or a BNSW employee) can plainly see that Illawarra belongs in Pool B geographically
Why is it that only Illawarra want to change that then? Shouldnt BNSW see that.
The fact still remains that Pool D is again the 'pool of death' with Hawkesbury, McCarthur, Springwood and Illawarra all legitimate contenders vying for only 2 playoff spots, whereas the other pools have no more than 2 legit contenders essentially ensuring them a place in the finals.
Very true. If we go by last years results. The top 2 quite comfortable should be.
Pool A - Grafton with Tamworth and Port Mac fighting for 2nd.
Pool B - Queanbeyan looks like the only "stronger team" with possibly Wagga.
Pool C - CC Crusaders and Penrith.
Pool D - Macarthur, Illawarra, Hawkesbury, Springwood all going for 1st and 2nd place so anyones game.
But that being said i hope all the other teams have got tuffer this season.[/quote:1h3n7ynz]

Agreed.

Thats not to mention the fact that the other teams in Pool D are essentially paying to turn each up and get whallopped by the better teams in the comp. Not much fun, I can tell you from experience.

[Daevo]

I think Hornsby & Norths would both like to think they could be competitive this year...not sure what Glebe will have. Still, I think you're right that the difference between top & bottom is typically pretty big so it begs the question, why not have a Div 1 & 2 (from the outset, not the bogus consolation finals like last year)?

[stylin]

Yeh i believe Norths and Hornsby will be easily able to compete... They arnt as easy as everyone seems.

Im still not sure about the 3game system though. I mean if Pool D has 3 games then that will be 21 games... Compared to if Pool B and C with 5 teams of 12 games.

Pool D should just play each other on a home and away basis...

[The Oracle]

Pool C teams have 15 games

[stylin]

Pool C teams have 15 games
Im sorry but i think your wrong. If there is 5 teams then only 4games. 4 x 3 = 12. Newcastle isnt in the comp so thats 3 byes... And a bye isnt a game. So that would be 12games for Pool B & C.

Pool A has 6 teams so 15games if you play each other 3 times.

Pool D has 8 teams so 21 games if they play each other 3 times. So it would make sense for them to only play each other twice so then its 14games.

Then all the pools roughly play the same amount of games.

[catstrat]

Full draw http://www.nswbasketball.net.au/events/2009/SBL/Men/documents/SBLMen.pdf

Pool D teams are playing 21 games.

Pool A and B and C teams only 16.

Fucking outrageous. We have one pool having to play a 1/3 as many more games as the rest of the competition without a week of rest, including a double header in the final week for a number of teams!

This is unfair to the teams in Pool D and I think there should be some serious complaining going on to whatever dickhead at NSW Basketball put this draw together.

[stylin]

Pool D teams are playing 21 games.
Pool A and B and C teams only 16.
(Extremely Naughty Word!) outrageous. We have one pool having to play a 1/3 as many more games as the rest of the competition without a week of rest, including a double header in the final week for a number of teams!
This is unfair to the teams in Pool D and I think there should be some serious complaining going on to whatever dickhead at NSW Basketball put this draw together.
Im glad someone is agreeing with me! And they only have 16 games cause they are including 3 byes for all the teams on Pools A,B and C. So really they are playing 12 games or 15 games compared to Pool D's 21. Its ridiculous as playing them extra games can cause injuries etc... Not to mention the prcie! Its gonna cost our players in Macarthur nearly $650 for the season to play. The players arnt gonna want to pay that! Esp with no sponosrs around!! Its just not neccesary to play nearly double the amount of games to the other pools. Pool D should only play each other twice. It cant be that hard for NSW to take away that extra game in Pool D. I mean they just have to delete the game! :x

[Daevo]

Maybe you should act on their new slogan: Basketball New South Wales - Get Into It

Somebody sure as hell needs to get into them over this mess. What a joke! :roll:

[StiLL Momentum]

Maybe you should act on their new slogan: Basketball New South Wales - Get Into It

Somebody sure as hell needs to get into them over this mess. What a joke! :roll:

Agree totally. Its amazing how the pools work out, it just doesnt make sense. make one pool much harder for teams to qualify and others is pretty much a walk in for the top 2 teams

[stylin]

Maybe you should act on their new slogan: Basketball New South Wales - Get Into It
Somebody sure as hell needs to get into them over this mess. What a joke! :roll:
Agree totally. Its amazing how the pools work out, it just doesnt make sense. make one pool much harder for teams to qualify and others is pretty much a walk in for the top 2 teams
Alot of it is coming down to teams like Illawarra that are telling NSW that if they are not in Pool D they will pull there team out. Its ridiculous. I mean they grow up travelling to all them areas. To be honest i think they are the only teams complaining about travel. And the womens teams etc... Thats just ruining the mens side of competition. It should be 6 teams in each pool.

[The Unbias Bias]

Its gotten to the stage where im expecting them to just skip the whole finals process, say pool D isnt worthy, and just say the top 2 from Pools A and C make the div 1 finals. i mean 12 or 15 games vs 21? thats not fair to anyone in pool d, like stylin mentioned with the added costs, travel and potential injury concerns involved. What other comps in nsw have a rep level comp where some teams play 40% more games when other teams that are relatively close (penrith, CC and co.) play so much less. the regular season is pretty much wasted for the penrith and crewsader teams, apart from when they play eachother they can take relatively nothing out of playing the other teams, getting away uninjured will be their biggest concern. How hard is it, honestly? the other pools play between 12-15 games so pool d should also? wow pool D has 8 teams, they play eachother twice and that equals......................... 14 games? perhaps those idiots at bnsw cant afford a calculator to add these complex situations together, if we all put in 50c each perhaps this might clear up this problem. and lastly, im sick of this Pool C so the guys and girls are in the same region shit, its nothing but crap, they dont travel together most of the time, they hardly play away at the same venue and i dont think encouraging the support of your local girls should be the sole reason to run a representative competition. Everyone who talks on here is from different associations mostly and we all agree on this common problem, why cant the people controlling this see something so blaitantly obvious?

[stylin]

Its weird how everyone can see the same problem but NSW wont see it or change it. We had one of our players contact them about it and asked about the 14games... They said that no-one else is so they wont change it. But i heard Springwood isnt happy aswell. So if someone from each team enquires about it then maybe they might take out the 3rd game...

This weekends games are...
Pool D
Springwood Scorchers v Hawkesbury Jets
Illawarra Hawks v Glebe Magic
Hornsby Spiders v Norths Bears
Maitland Mustangs v Macarthur Heat
Pool C
Power v Penrith Panthers
Pool B
Queanbeyan Roadrunners v Griffith Demons
Pool A
Coffs Harbour Suns v Port Macquarie Dolphins

[The Unbias Bias]

Its weird how everyone can see the same problem but NSW wont see it or change it. We had one of our players contact them about it and asked about the 14games... They said that no-one else is so they wont change it. But i heard Springwood isnt happy aswell. So if someone from each team enquires about it then maybe they might take out the 3rd game...

This weekends games are...
Pool D
Springwood Scorchers v Hawkesbury Jets
Illawarra Hawks v Glebe Magic
Hornsby Spiders v Norths Bears
Maitland Mustangs v Macarthur Heat
Pool C
Power v Penrith Panthers
Pool B
Queanbeyan Roadrunners v Griffith Demons
Pool A
Coffs Harbour Suns v Port Macquarie Dolphins

I've heard that from up north Port have lost their big youngster Compton to Qld aba i believe, so it'd be hard to imagine they'll compete at the same level this year. Also last week up in newcastle Norths were sporting a very weak team without Van Spanje, as we were told that he's gone back to aba with another player from last season's team. Without Troy i wouldnt expect to hear much from norths this season, they appeared to be very weak on the offensive end. Hornsby is still everyones enigma, who knows what's going on with their state league squad, and the effects their new aba team will have on the players available for their state league team.

Obviously this 3 game shit should be changed, even if we only played eachother twice wouldnt that mean we would've still played more total games than pool C? If they only give Pool D 2 div 1 spots as they did last year everyone from bnsw should be fired for incompetence, because this season will be like 2008 where you have pool D having 2 div 1 quality teams missing out on the finals and from the sounds of it 2 teams from pool B which would be at the lower part of Pool D making the div 1 semis.

[stylin]

Obviously this 3 game shit should be changed, even if we only played eachother twice wouldnt that mean we would've still played more total games than pool C? If they only give Pool D 2 div 1 spots as they did last year everyone from bnsw should be fired for incompetence, because this season will be like 2008 where you have pool D having 2 div 1 quality teams missing out on the finals and from the sounds of it 2 teams from pool B which would be at the lower part of Pool D making the div 1 semis.

Its strange how this is worked out around the womens comp... When last night it was pointed out to me that Pool A in the womens play each other 3times as there is Coffs Harbour, Grafton, Tamworth, Lismore so its 9games. In the womens Pool B they only play each other TWICE! so there is Goulburn, Wagga Wagga, Newcastle, Central Coast Power, Dubbo, Penrith, Central Coast Crusaders, Bathurst. So that is 14games. How come this cant be done in the Pool D of mens if we are "following" the womens comp???

And yes with Trapsy out of Norths they cant be that strong? He was averaging like 30 a game and being heavily guarded... So they will seem to struggle on Offence. I heard that Illawarra dropped out of ABA?? If so im guessing the SBL team is gonna be very tuff!

[howey]

hello again guys.

News from the north. Ballina is out. You haver all else covered. Armidale are somewhat of a mystery as they are a UNI based team (hope we get them in the holidays lol) so they will vary considerably year to year. They picked a couple of ex local boys from Tamworth I hear. Lismore will be tough this year too with Ballina out. I hope Armidale can stay in as we seem to be picking one up and losing one each year up here so comp is not growing. I think ballina may be back in a year or two.

Talk later
Howey

[Skindog the Hawk]

I heard that Illawarra dropped out of ABA?? If so im guessing the SBL team is gonna be very tuff!
Yes Illawarra have withdrawn their team from the ABA. No, it shouldn't make any changes to the SBL team. ;)

SD.

[Daevo]

So what's happening to the Hawks ABA players skindog? I know a few are overseas & in Qld but there should be a few left in town. If they aren't playing SL, are any making the treck up the F6 to the Shire?

[Skindog the Hawk]

You'd be better off asking Stanley there Daevo... ;)

[Daevo]

A depleted Penrith men's team scored a big win over Power 101-55.

Hornsby doing it comfortably over Norths it seemed.

[catstrat]

Depleted Springwood roster went down to Hawkesbury by 30 at Springwood.

[The Oracle]

Good start by the Jets 93-62.
They also brought their cheer squad to bolster the crowd numbers so it was also a good start to the season in regards to interest from the fans.

[The Oracle]

Depleted Springwood roster went down to Hawkesbury by 30 at Springwood.

Let's all make a pact - no more talk of an understrength / depleted / short-handed Scorchers team this season.
They've played this card for the past two years and it's wearing a bit thin.
You sign players who want to play and are fit and get on with it - not choose players who may or may not be able to play before the end of the season or may or may not be thinking of making a comeback or may or may not be thinking of breakfast/lunch/dinner/whatever ahead of the team/program.

[The Unbias Bias]

Depleted Springwood roster went down to Hawkesbury by 30 at Springwood.

Let's all make a pact - no more talk of an understrength / depleted / short-handed Scorchers team this season.
They've played this card for the past two years and it's wearing a bit thin.
You sign players who want to play and are fit and get on with it - not choose players who may or may not be able to play before the end of the season or may or may not be thinking of making a comeback or may or may not be thinking of breakfast/lunch/dinner/whatever ahead of the team/program.

I agree that has been the case in the past, mainly due to injuries and player reliability, but last night springwood was missing 4 regular players, 2 who were there but injured, and another 2 (including last seasons top point scorer for them) both only missed due to the fact that they had planned weeks ago alternate engagements down the city, both which could have been avoided and leaving us with no excuses IF bnsw had put the damn draw up more than 8 days before the season started.

[The Oracle]

[quote=catstrat]Depleted Springwood roster went down to Hawkesbury by 30 at Springwood.

Let's all make a pact - no more talk of an understrength / depleted / short-handed Scorchers team this season.
They've played this card for the past two years and it's wearing a bit thin.
You sign players who want to play and are fit and get on with it - not choose players who may or may not be able to play before the end of the season or may or may not be thinking of making a comeback or may or may not be thinking of breakfast/lunch/dinner/whatever ahead of the team/program.

I agree that has been the case in the past, mainly due to injuries and player reliability, but last night springwood was missing 4 regular players, 2 who were there but injured, and another 2 (including last seasons top point scorer for them) both only missed due to the fact that they had planned weeks ago alternate engagements down the city, both which could have been avoided and leaving us with no excuses IF bnsw had put the damn draw up more than 8 days before the season started.[/quote:34736mv5]

OUCH!
Putting the Gay & Lesbian Mardi Gras ahead of the team

[Coachpete]

IF bnsw had put the damn draw up more than 8 days before the season started

:lol: :lol: :lol:
You're fucking spoilt. Eight days before.....that's a bloody record for BNSW. Try being involved in junior reps where the draw for the 1st round came out the Thursday before we started and there's still not a draw for the season

[The Unbias Bias]

IF bnsw had put the damn draw up more than 8 days before the season started

:lol: :lol: :lol:
You're (Extremely Naughty Word!) spoilt. Eight days before.....that's a bloody record for BNSW. Try being involved in junior reps where the draw for the 1st round came out the Thursday before we started and there's still not a draw for the season

I have been involved in junior reps and from my experience due to the trials and such they finalise the draw inbetween the trial weeks and the 1st game of the season. The timing is probly pretty similar to what we get in state league, although 2-3 days before is just a joke, people do have a life outside basketball, im sure these gits at bnsw do because doing their job is properly is obviously not high on their agenda.

[fan since the old snakepit]

Go easy on them. They're real busy at the moment making sure that everyone has the new logo on their shorts and insuring that a perfectly good set of uniforms cant be worn by a (struggling for finances) YL team because they have an ABA logo on them.

[The Oracle]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarghhhhh

[howey]

Coffs 70 beat Port 62

[howey]

both depleted LMAO!!!!!!!

[catstrat]

Depleted Springwood roster went down to Hawkesbury by 30 at Springwood.

Let's all make a pact - no more talk of an understrength / depleted / short-handed Scorchers team this season.
They've played this card for the past two years and it's wearing a bit thin.
You sign players who want to play and are fit and get on with it - not choose players who may or may not be able to play before the end of the season or may or may not be thinking of making a comeback or may or may not be thinking of breakfast/lunch/dinner/whatever ahead of the team/program.

I think that any team that is missing a couple of starters qualifies as depleted.

[StiLL Momentum]

Depleted Springwood roster went down to Hawkesbury by 30 at Springwood.

Let's all make a pact - no more talk of an understrength / depleted / short-handed Scorchers team this season.
They've played this card for the past two years and it's wearing a bit thin.
You sign players who want to play and are fit and get on with it - not choose players who may or may not be able to play before the end of the season or may or may not be thinking of making a comeback or may or may not be thinking of breakfast/lunch/dinner/whatever ahead of the team/program.

I think that any team that is missing a couple of starters qualifies as depleted.

Agreed.

The atmosphere was great though at the game, Tho it was more a home game for the Jets as they had more fans there, lol.

I was cheering and I was like ok, we scored it was loud, they scored and the roof is going off this place....something wrong here, lol

but yeah will be a good game with the full squad, and yeah thats a big OUCH!!!! for being ditched for the Mardi Gras, lol

[stylin]

Mac Heat beat Maitland 92 to 68. Heat only had 8 players with a depleted roster aswell.... Reffing was insane! They called 56 fouls in our game! :shock:

I heard Illawarra beat Glebe by 32. So the first 4 games of Pool D look as though they were one sided.

[catstrat]

Mac Heat beat Maitland 92 to 68. Heat only had 8 players with a depleted roster aswell.... Reffing was insane! They called 56 fouls in our game! :shock:

I heard Illawarra beat Glebe by 32. So the first 4 games of Pool D look as though they were one sided.

Yeah big wins all round during the first week.

[Daevo]

Good to see results on BNSW website nice & early:

Macarthur Heat 92 def Maitland Mustangs 68

Hornsby Spiders 76 def Norths Bears 63

Coffs Harbour Suns 70 def Port Macquarie Dolphins 62

Hawkesbury Jets 98 def Springwood Scorchers 62

Penrith Panthers 101 def Power 55

Illawarra Hawks 107 def Glebe Magic 75

Queanbeyan Roadrunnes v Griffith Demons result not recieved

[stylin]

Good to see results on BNSW website nice & early:
Macarthur Heat 92 def Maitland Mustangs 68
Hornsby Spiders 76 def Norths Bears 63
Coffs Harbour Suns 70 def Port Macquarie Dolphins 62
Hawkesbury Jets 98 def Springwood Scorchers 62
Penrith Panthers 101 def Power 55
Illawarra Hawks 107 def Glebe Magic 75
Queanbeyan Roadrunnes v Griffith Demons result not recieved
Nice to see it updated so fast, maybe thats were our extra money is going... Faster scores? :lol:
So who else played in the other Pools??? Oh thats right! Hardly any of them as their season is half the amount of Pool D :roll:

[The Unbias Bias]

Good to see results on BNSW website nice & early:
Macarthur Heat 92 def Maitland Mustangs 68
Hornsby Spiders 76 def Norths Bears 63
Coffs Harbour Suns 70 def Port Macquarie Dolphins 62
Hawkesbury Jets 98 def Springwood Scorchers 62
Penrith Panthers 101 def Power 55
Illawarra Hawks 107 def Glebe Magic 75
Queanbeyan Roadrunnes v Griffith Demons result not recieved
Nice to see it updated so fast, maybe thats were our extra money is going... Faster scores? :lol:
So who else played in the other Pools??? Oh thats right! Hardly any of them as their season is half the amount of Pool D :roll:

Oh us in pool D hear ya mate, obviously we're in for the long run now, we have 4 double headers this season as opposed to one last year. Three of them are alright, but one has us playing in maitland on the sat, than at windsor on the sunday, fun b-ball weekends all around for pool D!

[howey]

Oh us in pool D hear ya mate, obviously we're in for the long run now, we have 4 double headers this season as opposed to one last year. Three of them are alright, but one has us playing in maitland on the sat, than at windsor on the sunday, fun b-ball weekends all around for pool D!

True you have a tough season ahead. Our crap DH is Coffs on anzac day (how disrespectful is that!!!) andf then Port on the Sunday. Going further away each game love it!!

[The Oracle]

[Oh us in pool D hear ya mate, obviously we're in for the long run now, we have 4 double headers this season as opposed to one last year. Three of them are alright, but one has us playing in maitland on the sat, than at windsor on the sunday, fun b-ball weekends all around for pool D!

True you have a tough season ahead. Our crap DH is Coffs on anzac day (how disrespectful is that!!!) andf then Port on the Sunday. Going further away each game love it!!


Howey I agree with you 100%.
How many other teams are being asked to play on Anzac Day?
Just because the NRL and AFL do it - doesn't mean we have to follow their lead.

[Coachpete]

After 12 noon on Anzac Day it's open slather for anything and everything. Are the Diggers going to be offended by a game of hoops?
I'm training on Anzac Day. Didn't see any reason not to

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

After 12 noon on Anzac Day it's open slather for anything and everything. Are the Diggers going to be offended by a game of hoops?
I'm training on Anzac Day. Didn't see any reason not to

I'm with you Pete, it might even give families a chance to get to a game...

sorry it steals your getting pissed time...how disrespectful is that!

[Skindog the Hawk]

Agreed. Only reason why we won't be running junior domestic games on Anzac Day is because it's still the school holidays...we'll start back the week after.

SD.

[howey]

After 12 noon on Anzac Day it's open slather for anything and everything. Are the Diggers going to be offended by a game of hoops?
I'm training on Anzac Day. Didn't see any reason not to

I'm with you Pete, it might even give families a chance to get to a game...

sorry it steals your getting pissed time...how disrespectful is that!

Sorry mate I dont drink on ANZAC day. My day is usually dawn service (grandfather was in WW1 and 2, father is vietnam vet) then midday service with kids so they learn respect. I then usually spend the arvo driving my old man around and home because he is one who is entitled to piss up and remember dead mates. So be careful what you say!!!!

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

Sorry mate I dont drink on ANZAC day. My day is usually dawn service (grandfather was in WW1 and 2, father is vietnam vet) then midday service with kids so they learn respect. I then usually spend the arvo driving my old man around and home because he is one who is entitled to piss up and remember dead mates. So be careful what you say!!!!

My ANZAC Day is very much the same. I'm the first generation of my family not to join full-time ADF (Dad has served overseas on about 3 occasions now, Grandfather was RAN in Malaya, Korea and Vietnam, Great-Grandfatherwas deemed unfit for actice service in WWI, so after doing admin for Army, was transferred to Tassie Police, other GGF fought in South Africa War, formally known as the Bo'er War), so I understand where you were coming from.

Surely as a man with an understanding of history, you would know that most diggers we are remembering would have been teenagers and 20-somethings who would love to be playing sport every chance they had. If the proper respect is paid at everygame, which means a full mins silence, and a proper rendition of the national anthem, perhaps also the ode read by either a current (like Wagga Wagga) or former member of the ADF/RSL, then the game can actually become a fitting tribute.

My rant there is more directed at the bogan type who is hijacking Australian Patriotism and disrespecting our flag and our way of life, the type of dickhead getting drunk on ANZAC day

[howey]

Sorry mate I dont drink on ANZAC day. My day is usually dawn service (grandfather was in WW1 and 2, father is vietnam vet) then midday service with kids so they learn respect. I then usually spend the arvo driving my old man around and home because he is one who is entitled to piss up and remember dead mates. So be careful what you say!!!!

My ANZAC Day is very much the same. I'm the first generation of my family not to join full-time ADF (Dad has served overseas on about 3 occasions now, Grandfather was RAN in Malaya, Korea and Vietnam, Great-Grandfatherwas deemed unfit for actice service in WWI, so after doing admin for Army, was transferred to Tassie Police, other GGF fought in South Africa War, formally known as the Bo'er War), so I understand where you were coming from.

Surely as a man with an understanding of history, you would know that most diggers we are remembering would have been teenagers and 20-somethings who would love to be playing sport every chance they had. If the proper respect is paid at everygame, which means a full mins silence, and a proper rendition of the national anthem, perhaps also the ode read by either a current (like Wagga Wagga) or former member of the ADF/RSL, then the game can actually become a fitting tribute.

My rant there is more directed at the bogan type who is hijacking Australian Patriotism and disrespecting our flag and our way of life, the type of dickhead getting drunk on ANZAC day

Fair comments and fair enough. I agree.

[The Oracle]

Scorchers 82 def Bears 54

[howey]

Tamworth heaps Coffs not many. Lismore over armidale by 30.

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

Roadrunners beat Tigers by 23...even I only lost to them by 2

[Lemon Custard]

Tamworth heaps Coffs not many. Lismore over armidale by 30.

31 and shit it was depressing... They were down by 40 at one point and Lismore weren't exactly at their best. They play again in 20 minutes. I doubt that will be pretty either.

[The Oracle]

This looks like being an ugly season right up to the playoffs.
Hawkesbury over Maitland by 50-odd confirms this competition is going to feature plenty of lop-sided results (in each pool) and we won't get too many real contests until the playoffs.

[Lemon Custard]

And Armidale are well on their way to proving that theory. They're down by 17 against Coffs already...

[Daevo]

Tamworth heaps Coffs not many. Lismore over armidale by 30.

31 and shit it was depressing... They were down by 40 at one point and Lismore weren't exactly at their best. They play again in 20 minutes.
So they play twice in the same weekend? :?

[Lemon Custard]

Yep. Then not for 2 weeks. It's a little random like that, really.

Not that I mind, two losses like that might take that long to get over!

[stylin]

Mac Heat over Glebe by 20+. Up by 30 at one stage but just played crap and not consistent. Glebe and Maitland will battle it out for last place in pool D.

[Skindog the Hawk]

Mac Heat over Glebe by 20+. Up by 30 at one stage but just played crap and not consistent. Glebe and Maitland will battle it out for last place in pool D.
Glebe should be playing Youth League, but apparently didn't like the concept of having to play Division 2... :?

[The Unbias Bias]

So is the glebe SL team pretty much their YL team from the past 1-2 years? If so, i think maitland could be well on their way to their 1st pool D victory (disregarding last season's win over tamworth obviously)

[CallisoH8R]

So is the glebe SL team pretty much their YL team from the past 1-2 years? If so, i think maitland could be well on their way to their 1st pool D victory (disregarding last season's win over tamworth obviously)

Minus a couple, plus a couple of older guys.

[stylin]

In Pool A Lismore is destroying teams!! Even easily over Tamworth who were an easy 2nd in their pool in the last few years... When do they play Pool A champions Grafton?

Still strange to see teams havent even played a game yet! Some teams have played 3 games already! Still cant get over the structure of BNSW :shock:

[howey]

In Pool A Lismore is destroying teams!! Even easily over Tamworth who were an easy 2nd in their pool in the last few years... When do they play Pool A champions Grafton?

Still strange to see teams havent even played a game yet! Some teams have played 3 games already! Still cant get over the structure of BNSW :shock:


SATURDAY 8)

[howey]

In Pool A Lismore is destroying teams!! Even easily over Tamworth who were an easy 2nd in their pool in the last few years... When do they play Pool A champions Grafton?

Still strange to see teams havent even played a game yet! Some teams have played 3 games already! Still cant get over the structure of BNSW :shock:


SATURDAY 8)

Tamworth had Skilton out that game also. They destroyed Coffs the previous. That said with Ballina out Lismore are real contenders this year.

[The Unbias Bias]

So is there any chance that Grafton might be dethroned from their pool A mantle??? All i know is come semi final time if we had to drive there its closer than lismore lol

[Lemon Custard]

The goss from Armidale (you've all been hanging out for this all week, I'm sure) is that their coach was ejected during a junior competition game. Afterwards, he stormed in and made a rather large scene, both sides have put in complaints and now there's a fair bit of tension in the Armidale Basketball camp. I can't wait to see him explode like that in a State League game - but it's unlikely they will ever get close enough to warrant it... Gee they're crap.

[THE VIKING]

So is there any chance that Grafton might be dethroned from their pool A mantle??? All i know is come semi final time if we had to drive there its closer than lismore lol

Sure is they got us the other week by a small margin. They were better on the night. It needs to be said though that they had played two or three games and we had played none. It will be a good contest again next time.

PS I was Howey but being next to useless on puters I couldnt change password so opened new accout and morphed into THE VIKING!!:cool::dance:

[stylin]

Well Pool D is a little different as thought. Hornsby is playing some very good ball and are having tight games with everyone. They beat Macarthur the other week by 5. (Not to say that Hornsby hit every shot they through up and a tech foul with a minute left to Heat made a 1 point leadgo to 5 points down)

Springwood have been playing quite bad. Not as usual....

[THE VIKING]

looking at signature lol

[The Unbias Bias]

Well Pool D is a little different as thought. Hornsby is playing some very good ball and are having tight games with everyone. They beat Macarthur the other week by 5. (Not to say that Hornsby hit every shot they through up and a tech foul with a minute left to Heat made a 1 point leadgo to 5 points down)

Springwood have been playing quite bad. Not as usual....

Yeah i wish there was something we could say but quite bad sums up most of our games, tough weekend ahead with the overacheiving spiders (well against macarthur anyway) and the jets on sunday, only good thing about sunday is the jets have to travel to illawarra on saturday night, so at least everyone in pool D will be having back to backs this weekend. Penrith v Crewsaders on saturday would be a good match i reckon, crewsaders should win by 10-15 though, with the team they have on paper anyway.

[stylin]

Penrith v Crewsaders on saturday would be a good match i reckon, crewsaders should win by 10-15 though, with the team they have on paper anyway.
So who has came down from ABA to play with Central Coast State League? I have heard Terry Johnson has...

[THE VIKING]

So who has came down from ABA to play with Central Coast State League? I have heard Terry Johnson has...

I don't think TJ is playing for them. He may be but my info is that he is not. Anyone know for sure? His old knees wont keep up anyway LOL.

[The Unbias Bias]

I don't think TJ is playing for them. He may be but my info is that he is not. Anyone know for sure? His old knees wont keep up anyway LOL.

Ah ok well if TJ isnt that takes a bit out of the team i thought they had, i havent seen their top point scorer from last year (liubinskas) on there yet, does anyone know if he's playing? How about someone from the crewsaders just posts their roster online, that'll be easier.

[THE VIKING]

Ah ok well if TJ isnt that takes a bit out of the team i thought they had, i havent seen their top point scorer from last year (liubinskas) on there yet, does anyone know if he's playing? How about someone from the crewsaders just posts their roster online, that'll be easier.

This is team list off their website.

Lee Anderson Clayton Parker
Tim Anderson Earvin Pepito
Cameron Clayton Dan Pratt
David Cracknell Ian Robilliard
Matt Cranney Noman Shoaib
Jason Dye Sam Stephenson
Ryan Liubinskas James Thomas
Kieran Matheson Michael Tyrrell
Levi McFadden Eddie Whitmore

[The Unbias Bias]

This is team list off their website.

Lee Anderson Clayton Parker
Tim Anderson Earvin Pepito
Cameron Clayton Dan Pratt
David Cracknell Ian Robilliard
Matt Cranney Noman Shoaib
Jason Dye Sam Stephenson
Ryan Liubinskas James Thomas
Kieran Matheson Michael Tyrrell
Levi McFadden Eddie Whitmore

Gee 18 players? They should be running 2 teams if that's the case dont you reckon?

[THE VIKING]

Gee 18 players? They should be running 2 teams if that's the case dont you reckon?

Unless they cut more from this list they are dropping at least 6 per game. tnhey may not hang around for the season.

[EightyEight]

TJ played against Dubbo. and as far as I am aware is that he is playing.

[THE VIKING]

TJ played against Dubbo. and as far as I am aware is that he is playing.

That makes them a lot tougher. Like I said if his creaky old knees hold up. Robilliards did last year so I guess Terry's will too. It will be fun to have him here if it gets to that cause he played and lived here for a few years. he is a good bloke.

[Daevo]

TJ played against Penrith too.....Coast won by 7 or 8ish I'm told. Springwood defeated Hornsby by a similar margin & Hawkesbury beat Illawarra by 10ish.

[stylin]

No matter what TJ would make any team better. He can flat out play! Doesnt mater how old he is!

Macarthur beat Norths by 50+ and then Maitland by 60+

Glebe beat Maitland by 10 aswell.

[THE VIKING]

No matter what TJ would make any team better. He can flat out play! Doesnt mater how old he is!

Macarthur beat Norths by 50+ and then Maitland by 60+

Glebe beat Maitland by 10 aswell.

Yes he can play.

Vikings are back with an 18point win over Port Mac and followed that up with a 81-55 demo job on Tamworth (with skilton).

[THE VIKING]

This is a copy of an email I sent to Christie Graham re referee appointments. Does anyone else have these type of issues. I am not talking about whether they ref well or not I am talking about the appointments giving them the chance to be at their best.

Christie,

I am not sure that you are the person to talk to but if not you might pass this on for me. I am very disappointed at the refereeing appointments for out games over the weekend. Before I start I would say that the refereeing was fair but it could have been better.

My points of concern are:

1. On Saturday we had a one referee do two games in a row (youth league and SL Men), in itself this is not unusual, HOWEVER, Simon Fletcher was sitting in the grand stand and had not been appointed to a game that night. This is ridiculous to have arguably one of the better SL refs not refereeing when another does two in a row.

2. On Sunday we had a referee who played a fairly tough SL women game right before refereeing (12 minuted break) our SL men game and it was obvious she was tired!!! Once again Justin from Coffs was at the game as an evaluator, he refereed us the previous game. Would his time not been better spent refereeing not watching.

3. The Grafton v Tamworth game looked to be the toughest game of the round and yet the highest ranked referee up here (Simon Fletcher) was sent to referee Lismore v Port Macquarie, a game which was obviously not going to be too difficult.

I say all of this because the referees are paid to do a job, and are the ONLY ones paid to do a job. For the money I would expect where practically possible fresh referees be appointed to games not doing two in a row or playing then refereeing. It WAS possible over the weekend as two of the better referees did not get games on one or both of the days.

thanks

Craig Howe
Coach Grafton Vikings

[The Unbias Bias]

This is a copy of an email I sent to Christie Graham re referee appointments. Does anyone else have these type of issues. I am not talking about whether they ref well or not I am talking about the appointments giving them the chance to be at their best.

Christie,

I am not sure that you are the person to talk to but if not you might pass this on for me. I am very disappointed at the refereeing appointments for out games over the weekend. Before I start I would say that the refereeing was fair but it could have been better.

My points of concern are:

1. On Saturday we had a one referee do two games in a row (youth league and SL Men), in itself this is not unusual, HOWEVER, Simon Fletcher was sitting in the grand stand and had not been appointed to a game that night. This is ridiculous to have arguably one of the better SL refs not refereeing when another does two in a row.

2. On Sunday we had a referee who played a fairly tough SL women game right before refereeing (12 minuted break) our SL men game and it was obvious she was tired!!! Once again Justin from Coffs was at the game as an evaluator, he refereed us the previous game. Would his time not been better spent refereeing not watching.

3. The Grafton v Tamworth game looked to be the toughest game of the round and yet the highest ranked referee up here (Simon Fletcher) was sent to referee Lismore v Port Macquarie, a game which was obviously not going to be too difficult.

I say all of this because the referees are paid to do a job, and are the ONLY ones paid to do a job. For the money I would expect where practically possible fresh referees be appointed to games not doing two in a row or playing then refereeing. It WAS possible over the weekend as two of the better referees did not get games on one or both of the days.

thanks

Craig Howe
Coach Grafton Vikings

In theory you might be right, but you cant demand a 'better referee' in your opinion to ref what you think is a harder game, you're only being subjective towards what you think demands a higher quality referee. Are you saying armidale, who pay the same costs as grafton, should get a lesser or lower grade ref because they're a much worser team? No one in their right mind would agree with that, but as far as you being disapointed in getting a ref who had just played when another higher grade one was in the stands i agree totally. I had a similar argument with a local court controller once since div 1 constantly got 1 ref and divs 2-3 in the local comp were getting 2, at the time i thought well i play div 1 i deserve more but thats not the case, financially everyone is out of pocket the same amount so who gets what is up to a higher power (bnsw being that power for state league which is scary, i know)

[Lemon Custard]

That's funny, the Armidale players were particularly miffed after their last game against Grafton in Grafton, when it turned out the ref for their game was from.. wait for it.. Grafton. Yet they suffer the same annoying chick from the coast every home game. They won't ever win a game, but that's not the point.

The fact is, the appointment system for State League is utterly ridiculous. They make you put your availability down months and months beforehand, don't tell you if you're on the panel until they suddenly decide it's time for you to do a game (so of course you're entirely unprepared and don't even have the right uniform), they rarely have the roster done on time so you never have notice of possibly long travel and if you can't do a game, it's up to you to find a replacement, which is probably what happened in Grafton.

[THE VIKING]

but you cant demand a 'better referee' in your opinion to ref what you think is a harder game, you're only being subjective towards what you think demands a higher quality referee. Are you saying armidale, who pay the same costs as grafton, should get a lesser or lower grade ref because they're a much worser team?

Never meant to even alude to that. My point was that at both games there WAS a fresh qualified and of standard referee in the stands and they did not get the game. I agree with your above comments.

[Lemon Custard]

Are you saying armidale, who pay the same costs as grafton, should get a lesser or lower grade ref because they're a much worser team?


Why not? Their nominated referee is a much worser ref.

[Skindog the Hawk]

They make you put your availability down months and months beforehand, don't tell you if you're on the panel until they suddenly decide it's time for you to do a game (so of course you're entirely unprepared and don't even have the right uniform), they rarely have the roster done on time so you never have notice of possibly long travel and if you can't do a game, it's up to you to find a replacement, which is probably what happened in Grafton.

Let me clear a couple of inconsistencies here.

The NSW SBL & ABA rosters are done on a 4-week basis, i.e. Rounds 1-4, 5-8 etc. The roster is generally released once the previous one has expired, and generally they will only roster you if you have said that you're available. If you want to change your availability then you are directed to inform the referees' commissioner (Jarrod Greedy for SBL, Albert Josephs for ABA).

If you nominated in for SBL as a referee then you needed to purchase a shirt and you would know your schedule at least 3 days before (running on the assumption that your travel would be the first week of the new roster), if not more!

In terms of who gets rostered to what game, there have definitely been some concerns raised at my own Association as to referees' being rostered to several weeks but not others - the key point coming back is that BNSW are trying to roster them as best they can.

SD.

[THE VIKING]

Let me clear a couple of inconsistencies here.

The NSW SBL & ABA rosters are done on a 4-week basis, i.e. Rounds 1-4, 5-8 etc. The roster is generally released once the previous one has expired, and generally they will only roster you if you have said that you're available. If you want to change your availability then you are directed to inform the referees' commissioner (Jarrod Greedy for SBL, Albert Josephs for ABA).

If you nominated in for SBL as a referee then you needed to purchase a shirt and you would know your schedule at least 3 days before (running on the assumption that your travel would be the first week of the new roster), if not more!

In terms of who gets rostered to what game, there have definitely been some concerns raised at my own Association as to referees' being rostered to several weeks but not others - the key point coming back is that BNSW are trying to roster them as best they can.

SD.

I do not agree they are trying to roster as best they can. Once again I reiterate we had on Saturday our own nominated referee who WAS available and has been rostered to do ABA womens games this year so he is definitely of standard sitting in the stands spectating cause he was not roatered on while a referee did BOTH the YL and SL mens games i.e two in a row, this is NOT best practice. On the Sunday we had another referee who has done one of our games this year sent to evaluate instead of referee, and he also WAS avauilable to referee, HOWEVER one of the referees appointed to ref the SL men game had played the SL women's and had a 12 minute break between that and refereeing a SL mans game, once again this is NOT best practice. So I disagree they are not trying to roster as best they can it seems they are making it up ad hoc.

[THE VIKING]

Once again I remind you that the referees are in most cases in SL the ONLY people getting paid to do a job. Everyone else is voluntary. SO I EXPECT that at least the roster will give them the best opportunity to referee at their best and in our case last weekend this was certainly not the case.

[Lemon Custard]

Like I said SD, they never have the roster done ON TIME. Sure it's designed to be planned in 3 or 4 week intervals, but so far it hasn't worked out like that. They have it done late, change it when it's done and leave weeks out and add them later. It's ridiculous!

You might have nominated SBL, but how do you know you made the panel? What if you're woefully underqualified but put down SBL just because you wanted to, or, theoretically, just theoretically, your team wanted to avoid the extra cash payment they would have had to fork out for not having a referee on the panel, so they found the highest qualified referee they could find and sent her along. They say, "Congratulations, you passed the open book test, you genius" but they don't say, "Hey PS, you're on the panel, so you might want a shirt and, if you're that way inclined, a puffy green jacket".

The availability IS the very problem that's open for discussion here. You have to declare whether you *think* you will be available months in advance. My plans change every couple of days, but you don't see me emailing Jarrod every 5 minutes. Then, when you can't make it to a game you've been rostered on to, you have to find someone as a replacement (difficult when you're the only referee from a club), which is why good referees, as in the case of what happened at Grafton, are continually left sitting in the stands.

[THE VIKING]

We recently received a letter forwarded from NSWBA regarding the NSW Cancer Council's "Call to Arms" to raise money and awareness for men's cancer. The Vikings are going to donate $1 for every paying spectator at our home games as well as putting a donation tin in our stadium. The event is officially June/july but we are starting at our next home game on 2nd May and continuing through to our YL last home game on July 18. We challenge you all to get involved in this. For more info go to www.calltoarms.com.au The Vikings are answering the Call to Arms what about you??

[THE VIKING]

I would like to say the questions I put regarding refereeing appointments were answered promptly and acceptably by Jarrod Greedy. I would suggest if you have reasonable queries regardinmg refereeing apppointments and the like he seems to be quite on the ball and willing to talk.

[stylin]

Heat lost to Hawks by 14. Had a disgusting game. Didnt play well at all with players not gelling. No intensity. A few players not there and one turned up at halftime. Had a better 2nd half beating the Hawks but the 1st half had the Hawks over them by heaps! Heat will win the next matchup comfortable. Hawks were a better team last year.

[EightyEight]

Heat will win the next matchup comfortable. Hawks were a better team last year.

I would have to disagree on both points.

The Hawks won this game in the first 5 minutes and didn't have to win the second half. I actually think Macarthur are not as good as last years team.

Hawks are a deeper team then last years team......

[stylin]

I would have to disagree on both points.
The Hawks won this game in the first 5 minutes and didn't have to win the second half. I actually think Macarthur are not as good as last years team.
Hawks are a deeper team then last years team......

I can definetly see why you can think that. Heat missing 3 players though. 1 starter, other 2 are usually first few subs. They will be back for the next game.

Also is this right? In pool A Lismore lost to Port Macquarie?? 83 to 60! Wow they had beaten Grafton and Tamworth easy.

[Daevo]

Watch out Stylin - the Jets are a bit bruised after a closer than expected win over Hornsby so are likely to try to prove a point against you guys. Hawker is carrying an injury I hear but still expected to play.

[THE VIKING]

I can definetly see why you can think that. Heat missing 3 players though. 1 starter, other 2 are usually first few subs. They will be back for the next game.

Also is this right? In pool A Lismore lost to Port Macquarie?? 83 to 60! Wow they had beaten Grafton and Tamworth easy.

Yes thats true they lost. They had two players out. Whitby was at a school game. Can't be serious contenders when you can't win the winnables with a player missing. saying that Port are tougher with a couple older guys coming back. The Vikings beat Port on Sunday with Moran (arguably our best) out.

[EightyEight]

Should be some interesting results coming from the games today.....in every pool!!!

[THE VIKING]

Should be some interesting results coming from the games today.....in every pool!!!

Tamworth 61 beat Vikings 49. We played ok but they were way too good last night. Thunderbolts have regrouped and hopefully will beat Lismore today.

[EightyEight]

Illawarra beat Springwood by 20 odd pts. It will be a different game up at Blaxland though....

[THE VIKING]

Tamworth 61 beat Vikings 49. We played ok but they were way too good last night. Thunderbolts have regrouped and hopefully will beat Lismore today.

Tamworth beat lismore by 11. Word is Skilton damaged ankle pretty bad. That is a problem for Tamworth.

[Skindog the Hawk]

Shoalhaven d. Wagga 86-66 last night at the Tigers' Den. Tigers led by about 30-ish before Wagga made it a tad more respectable in the fourth quarter.

Moss Vale lost to Griffith 56-52 last night up in the frozen-ness of the Southern Highlands.

SD.

[Daevo]

Panthers beat Dubbo 94-74 last night & Hawkesbury thumped Macarthur 88-67 today.

[stylin]

Hawkesbury got us. Beat us in the 2nd quarter. Down by 2 with 1.30 seconds to go before the half. Then they put 11-0 on us in 90seconds! Down by 16 at half time. Would get it a little closer but not enough. Beat us by 21 in the end. They are a REALLY good team. Very balanced and big. Although they dont go deep so it would be good to get them into foul trouble early. I would have to say they will be in the final 4 weekend. They are a very good team. Props to them.

Back to the drawing board for Heat, need some big wins and need to make sure we beat Illawarra next time!

So Grafton and us (Macarthur) seem to be in different positions then the previous few years!

[THE VIKING]

word is Skilton broke his ankle. Tamworth may struggle without his scoring. Although their D the other night v vikings was red hot.

[THE VIKING]

Vikings 79 d Lismore 66. Both teams at full strength in Lismore.

[stylin]

Mac Heat 77 to 68 v Springwood.
Mac Heat 71 to 61 v Norths.

[Daevo]

Hawkesbury got the double-w. Some interesting shenanigans reported from the game at Glebe :confused:

[Skindog the Hawk]

Hawkesbury got the double-w. Some interesting shenanigans reported from the game at Glebe :confused:

This comment is nothing without detail Daevo....spill please!

SD.

[Daevo]

It's not my story to tell but I heard it went over time by about 30 minutes due some Monty Pythoneque shenanigans on the bench.

[stylin]

It's not my story to tell but I heard it went over time by about 30 minutes due some Monty Pythoneque shenanigans on the bench.

And what does this mean?? Bench scored wrong or the clock was wrong?? Cant really understand what you mean here... lol!

Was there a fight or people sighted?

Who was at home?

[Skindog the Hawk]

No fight or people cited, however me thinkeths there may be a complaint or two headed in BNSW's direction if Daevo's version of events is to be believed.

SD.

[The Unbias Bias]

The only good thing about playing at Glebe pcyc is that for state league u shouldnt be getting their refs or parents running the show as i saw once in u/18 mens, was the second worst i've encountered behind ryde at the kings school, dont want to relive that day anytime soon. We had a few problems at Glebe our first time round though as well with their bench.

[CallisoH8R]

I've had more than a few problems with bench at Glebe...

[A Higher Authority]

All is apparently not well in the Lower Blue Mountains of Sydney, if the amount of emails and text messages crossing the airwaves are to be believed.
The coach and some (no idea how few or how many) players from the Springwood Scorchers have all apparently decided to leave the team (in the heat of two losses on the weekend).
I haven't heard from anyone close to the team so it's unclear whether Monday morning brought everyone back to earth or tempers remained heated.
Training apparently occurs on a Friday night so maybe there'll be news tomorrow.

[Daevo]

I've heard the same reports with some players saying they will go if the coach doesn't. Some attribute the loss to a 5-strong Spiders outfit last Sunday to the drama in the team which began after the loss to the Heat. Hopefully things are resolved so they can finish the season.

[Lemon Custard]

I'm glad the Armidale team doesn't crack it after every loss, then they'd have no team (though, a complete overhaul may well be helpful...). They're playing Tamworth tomorrow. No surprise as to who I'm tipping, even if Tamworth aren't at full strength.

[Daevo]

A big defensive effort from Penrith men beating the Crusaders by 15.

[A Higher Authority]

A "full-strength" Scorchers edged past the Glebe Magic by 5.
No coach but he hasn't gone away - just other commitments tonight

[EightyEight]

Illawarra snuck past a "new" Maitland team by 4pts, they had two ABA players filling in.

[Lemon Custard]

word is Skilton broke his ankle. Tamworth may struggle without his scoring.

Skilton played last night. He just sprained his ankle and was out for a week.

I don't know if this counts as Monthy Pythonesque shenanigans, but how about rescheduling a game, picking a date and time, telling the two teams, the scorebench, the local paper and the residential colleges, organising a bar, getting pre games together and then not telling Basketball NSW, so there's a huge (drunk) crowd, two pumped up teams and no referees... The manager is also their starting point guard, so I guess you could say he's useless all round. Go Armidale!

[stylin]

Hornsby only had 7 players in the game against Heat. Kept well in it until after the half and then got beaten by 15 to 20ish...

Wow! Maitland nearly got over Illawarra. We have them this week. Should be an interesting game then.