Coach movements!

[InfectiousS]

Coach movements... Or should i say.. lack of!

Well with Graf taking on Opals head role does this mean she will be giving up her Caps stint... my instincts say hell no... and for all those speculators out there that are hinting at her moving to Sydney... you can give that a rest... Apparently the Flames have signed Dalton for another 2 seasons... they must be rewarding her for ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL the success she has had over the past few years!!!! :twisted:

Hilarious!

[Hoopdog]

Can't see Waters lasting at Dandenong, he looks out of his depth..

[FeelinDaHeat]

Coach movements... Or should i say.. lack of!

Well with Graf taking on Opals head role does this mean she will be giving up her Caps stint... my instincts say hell no... and for all those speculators out there that are hinting at her moving to Sydney... you can give that a rest... Apparently the Flames have signed Dalton for another 2 seasons... they must be rewarding her for ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL the success she has had over the past few years!!!! :twisted:

Hilarious!

Speculation of Graf to Sydney? did I miss something? :shock: I do believe that she may forgo the Caps job as it has been a long while since the Opals head coach has remained a national league head coach- it may have become the accepted norm in the womens game unlike the mens.

And cmon, as for Dalton re-signing, if this is true... you should all know, Dalton is Sydney basketball!! :P :P

Other movements, too early in the piece with finals positions still to be locked in. Maybe Kinsman at the AIS, aren't they on 3 year deals there? I think this might be his third year so a review at season's end anyway. Waters... hmmm and Bendigo's Harrower but very unlikely (only if these 2 two teams miss play-offs). Perth's McKay may have just sealed another season out west with the big victory over Sydney. And Orlick- safe unless he gives it away I'd say.

[Off_the_bench]

Coach movements... Or should i say.. lack of!

Well with Graf taking on Opals head role does this mean she will be giving up her Caps stint... my instincts say hell no... and for all those speculators out there that are hinting at her moving to Sydney... you can give that a rest... Apparently the Flames have signed Dalton for another 2 seasons... they must be rewarding her for ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL the success she has had over the past few years!!!! :twisted:

Hilarious!

Filthy!!! was hoping that Mark's family influence may have seen Dalton come up here- with all due respect to Orlick. :wink: :wink: Oh well.

I say good on Sydney, it seriously can't be that bad as some of you portray there. Vealy has never had a bad word to say about Sydney and I know that the Thunder management actually sung Dalton's praises along with Vealy just after our big win against Adelaide. Sydney's a cut-throat sporting environment so if their management weren't happy with her work I'm sure she wouldn't be there. Mind you I've been out of Sydney a while now but they seem to be coming along bar the Perth loss.

But back to us, richard will be here for the long run, well i hope so anyway. He's moving on the right track with our very young playing group and with a few veteran additions next year and retaining our young stars, we'll be even better for the experience this year. still, I've got my fingers x for some wins- starting this Sunday! Qld'ers come out and support and if its anything like the last one at Cornubia, it'll be a definite cracker!!! Sydney here we come! :)

[dirtydigits]

Coach movements... Or should i say.. lack of!

Well with Graf taking on Opals head role does this mean she will be giving up her Caps stint... my instincts say hell no... and for all those speculators out there that are hinting at her moving to Sydney... you can give that a rest... Apparently the Flames have signed Dalton for another 2 seasons... they must be rewarding her for ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL the success she has had over the past few years!!!! :twisted:

Hilarious!

Sydney's a cut-throat sporting environment so if their management weren't happy with her work I'm sure she wouldn't be there.

sydney a cut throat sporting environment? yeah maybe in sprts that people care about like league or soccer but womens basketball? hate to break it to you but tnoones calling the papers demanding dalton be sacked. ha ha im still laughing at that one

[dirtydigits]

Coach movements... Or should i say.. lack of!

Well with Graf taking on Opals head role does this mean she will be giving up her Caps stint... my instincts say hell no... and for all those speculators out there that are hinting at her moving to Sydney... you can give that a rest... Apparently the Flames have signed Dalton for another 2 seasons... they must be rewarding her for ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL the success she has had over the past few years!!!! :twisted:

Hilarious!

Vealy has never had a bad word to say about Sydney and I know that the Thunder management actually sung Dalton's praises along with Vealy just after our big win against Adelaide.

ok u have given me to much to work with here. why would vealy say a bad word. that would make her look really bad as a player and would be totally unproffesional. i think the bigger sign is that juniors out of the institute dont want to go to sydney because of the culture. anyone else hearing that? but if graf wanted to come to sydney theyd have to grab her in a second. i think is not to many other options for coaches in sydney. i thought they might try to get maher back.

orlick has done a job though, agree with you on that one.

[Coachpete]

juniors out of the institute dont want to go to sydney because of the culture

Dombkins
Herrick
Smith
Lewis
Kennedy
Martin

Just in the last few years

[Off_the_bench]

Coach movements... Or should i say.. lack of!

Well with Graf taking on Opals head role does this mean she will be giving up her Caps stint... my instincts say hell no... and for all those speculators out there that are hinting at her moving to Sydney... you can give that a rest... Apparently the Flames have signed Dalton for another 2 seasons... they must be rewarding her for ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL the success she has had over the past few years!!!! :twisted:

Hilarious!

Sydney's a cut-throat sporting environment so if their management weren't happy with her work I'm sure she wouldn't be there.

sydney a cut throat sporting environment? yeah maybe in sprts that people care about like league or soccer but womens basketball? hate to break it to you but tnoones calling the papers demanding dalton be sacked. ha ha im still laughing at that one

No one calling for her to be sacked??? well at least we know you don't work in any type of media!!! :lol:

seriously, glad to have you back dirtydigits my old sparring partner!

Glad you seem to know a lot about the Sydney culture for a fan- sure you're just not joining the dots to come up with you're own conclusion there? But i bet I can come up with 2 or 3 others who feel the same way you do! Shame for you none of you (to my knowledge anyway) are part of the Flames management. And talking about giving something to work with- how many times have i told you to stuff running your fingers and typing crap??? Thank you to CP who so appropriately compiled a list of AIS grads who came to Sydney knowing that Dalton was coach!! :twisted:
Coach movements... Or should i say.. lack of!

Well with Graf taking on Opals head role does this mean she will be giving up her Caps stint... my instincts say hell no... and for all those speculators out there that are hinting at her moving to Sydney... you can give that a rest... Apparently the Flames have signed Dalton for another 2 seasons... they must be rewarding her for ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL the success she has had over the past few years!!!! :twisted:

Hilarious!

Vealy has never had a bad word to say about Sydney and I know that the Thunder management actually sung Dalton's praises along with Vealy just after our big win against Adelaide.

ok u have given me to much to work with here. why would vealy say a bad word. that would make her look really bad as a player and would be totally unproffesional. i think the bigger sign is that juniors out of the institute dont want to go to sydney because of the culture. anyone else hearing that?

orlick has done a job though, agree with you on that one.

Let's just say that everytime I've spoken to Vealy, she has been quite open and fortright about many a topic inclusive of her time with the Flames- seeing as you may or may not know her- let me give you the heads up- she's a straight shooter! so I got no reason to believe that she's running her mouth full of lies
about her time in sydney (and with Dalton or this supposed "culture" you refer to).

But kudos where kudos are due... you're spot on the money with Orlick- now that's more like it!! :wink:

[fan since the old snakepit]

juniors out of the institute dont want to go to sydney because of the culture

Dombkins
Herrick
Smith
Lewis
Kennedy
Martin

Just in the last few years

I dont have an opinion on the argument, but also would not be influenced in the argument by the list above going to the Flames. I doubt that any of them, apart from possibly Domkins would have been heavily recruited elsewhere and as all apart from Martin are locals ( or remotely locals) they probably had no other options.

[FeelinDaHeat]

juniors out of the institute dont want to go to sydney because of the culture

Dombkins
Herrick
Smith
Lewis
Kennedy
Martin

Just in the last few years

I dont have an opinion on the argument, but also would not be influenced in the argument by the list above going to the Flames. I doubt that any of them, apart from possibly Domkins would have been heavily recruited elsewhere and as all apart from Martin are locals ( or remotely locals) they probably had no other options.

So you admit that you are not sure yet you make implications that Sydney was all they had and perhaps with their limited choices no credence should be given to Coach's point????? :? :roll:

i think we should just stick to the facts and Coachpete's post is fact and yours is combo of doubt and possibles- too many maybes for comfort or influence to the argument! :wink:

[dirtydigits]

juniors out of the institute dont want to go to sydney because of the culture

Dombkins
Herrick
Smith
Lewis
Kennedy
Martin

Just in the last few years

yep your right BUT dombkins left after a couple of seasons, so did smith. and i dont think the circumstances on those departeres were great. as for lewis, kennedy and martin no exactly prized recruits wouldnt you agree? herrick... yeah whats she averaging now... 2mins a game?

[dirtydigits]

seriously, glad to have you back dirtydigits my old sparring partner!

Glad you seem to know a lot about the Sydney culture for a fan- sure you're just not joining the dots to come up with you're own conclusion there? But i bet I can come up with 2 or 3 others who feel the same way you do! Shame for you none of you (to my knowledge anyway) are part of the Flames management. And talking about giving something to work with- how many times have i told you to stuff running your fingers and typing crap??? Thank you to CP who so appropriately compiled a list of AIS grads who came to Sydney knowing that Dalton was coach!! :twisted:


Sorry Karen Dalton i forgot you consider yourself flames management. sometimes it is hard to see the forrest for the trees though.

would you like me to compile a list of AIS grads that have left the flames and on bad terms? i would say that is much longer than the lsit of those that have come. i have heard (from pretty reliable sources on this one) that a couple of good recruits that ended up in other wnbl teams this year according to my sources did not choose sydney because they did not like the culture. i did not say that karen sorry YOU were not an experienced coach. you are obviosly some kind of pyschic that knows what everyone everywhere says and thinks otherwise you wouldnt accuse me of typing crap. isnt it possible that you havent heard this. it makes sense that players that think the culture is crap wouldnt tell the HEAD COACH!

[Dunkin' Dan]

would you like me to compile a list of AIS grads that have left the flames and on bad terms? i would say that is much longer than the lsit of those that have come.
Is that mathematically possible? :wink:

[dirtydigits]

would you like me to compile a list of AIS grads that have left the flames and on bad terms? i would say that is much longer than the lsit of those that have come.
Is that mathematically possible? :wink:
ha ha mathematically im not sure but i am sure i could not be bothered as it would take way to long :D

[Keegan]

would you like me to compile a list of AIS grads that have left the flames and on bad terms? i would say that is much longer than the lsit of those that have come.
Is that mathematically possible? :wink:
ha ha mathematically im not sure but i am sure i could not be bothered as it would take way to long :D

Oh dear, that went straight over your head.

(pssst it's not possible for the list of AIS grads who have allegedly left the Flames on bad terms to be greater than the number of AIS grads who have come)

Dalts for another 2 years? I would have liked a change, but don't think there was anything particularly better waiting in the wings. Hopefully, she'll recruit a bit better in the offseason (at least one more player who can shoot somewhat consistently beyond 5 feet from the basket).

re: AIS coach - is there a credible alternative coach? A bit underwhelmed with Kinsman.

[The Rabbit]

Debbie Cook has been doing nothing since she left the tute. surely she has some credentials?
Tracy Samuels? She's been a succesful coach at ABA level.
what about her past assistants Turton, Ally and Alava. Any of those ready?

i dont think the problem is the coach. Kids dont want to come and play in sydney beacuse of certain players. (now thats a fact!)

just to remind coach pete that all those girls ba one Nikita are from NSW and where else would they want to go after wasting 2-3 down the tute. Why didnt Ebzery and camino come? Their the 2 we sydney should of wanted.

[Coachpete]

Debbie Cook has been doing nothing since she left the tute. surely she has some credentials?
Tracy Samuels? She's been a succesful coach at ABA level.
what about her past assistants Turton, Ally and Alava. Any of those ready?

i dont think the problem is the coach. Kids dont want to come and play in sydney beacuse of certain players. (now thats a fact!)

just to remind coach pete that all those girls ba one Nikita are from NSW and where else would they want to go after wasting 2-3 down the tute. Why didnt Ebzery and camino come? Their the 2 we sydney should of wanted.

I wasn't expressing an opinion. Just highlighting facts

[patm]

Can't see Waters lasting at Dandenong, he looks out of his depth..
Yes.
I was surprised at their level of success last year, but that seemed to me to be more due to Michelle Brogan and her presence.
This year is more like the result I expected last year.
It always seemed to me this was not an appointment for the betterment of the Rangers team, but for another objective.
If the betterment of the Rangers team was the priority, then why would you get rid of Gary Fox in the first place?
Did the real reason for his departure ever surface?

[ballwatcher05]

so with dalton being appointed for another 2 years and so much unhappiness in the flames camp/culture... this can only mean players would possibly depart.. who would you think would be departing the flames at seasons end... anyone contracted past this season?

[dirtydigits]

i didnt say there was unhappiness IN the camp just that it is viewed badly from other players in other teams. the team is so young the players there will be begging to stay. the prob is who will they get.

i thought fox was assistant to opals? i he isnt appointed again maybe dandy will take him back.

[InfectiousS]

Regarding the Flames action... which seems to dominate these boards... wonder why ??

I say "ACTIONS speak louder then WORDS." Surely the best indication of a team's playing environment is shown by the retention of players and other players wanting to play there.

For one, "off the bench" i don't know if Vealy would be all too thrilled with you constantly quoting her on the boards. Actually, if you know Vealy as well as you say you do, i think you would know that she would be quite pissed about it actually. Your right, she ain't one to say a bad word about anybody... like i said, actions speak louder then words. Who isn't she playing for this year... oh thats right.... the Flames!!!

I'm sure my best friend's lauren jackson, Roh Cox, Shelly Hammonds and Graffy (just to name a few), won't mind me quoting on these very accurate and legitimate boards everything they might have said (but probably didn't).... i'm sure they'll absolutely love it!!!

As for availability of other coaches. I really couldn't care less who else got the job. Just like a player, development starts somewhere. I would personally love to see one of the successful local ABA coaches get the gig. I would take a raw coach with fresh passion over someone who's led a team riddled with controversy and ridicule and has fallen short of the mark time and time again.

Some new blood might be all thats needed to take a, lets face it, a still very talented group, and instill a little bit of drive, and motivation into them.

[FeelinDaHeat]

Ok so I sense a little bit of anger here, I can't claim to know anyone of particular note but... ummm... does referring to Veal on one particular occasion constitute everytime???? :P :lol: That's all I can gather anyway... but there could be some PM action i don't know about! :twisted:

From what I can gather on watching the Flames at home this year, they do try hard and have come to surprise us with upset victories this year against Canberra and Townsville with Poto, another Townsville close loss without Poto and a near victory against Adelaide in the first game of the season where the ball did a lap of honour and came out.

I think Keegan got it right in another thread when he said that the Flames are shocking on the road.To me these are typical characteristics of a young team- you can't possibly accuse them of not being enthused by the coach collectively when we all know what it takes to beat the likes of Canberra and Townsville.
When a team lifts for the big occasion match up, what i consider Caps, Fire and Lightning- then loses to the teams below them in the ladder such as Perth, Logan and close calls with the AIS- I see that as a lack of experience. The big occasion teams rarely have these lapses because they are experienced and often loaded with veterans- Sydney has none of the both the latter and former.

I think the Flames are a victim of their own previous winning successes albeit that one title to show. Every team needs to rebuild and they are now in that phase of their team structure. As for your no care/successful aba coaches, if Dalton was to move on, I'm sure the replacement would be a tried and trusted WNBL coach- a Fox, Gooding, Lucas, heck even an O'Brien maybe. There would be no chance in hell that any of the ABA coaches would be ready for that jump.

In other teams... did anyone else see the Bendigo v Bulleen game and the cuts to the Spirit timeouts- I felt slightly tongue -tied on the number of occasions daughter commanded and changed daddy's plans. Mind you, any coach should be listening to what Kristi has to say. Waters from Dandy is another who has players yapping at timeouts.

[Off_the_bench]

Regarding the Flames action... which seems to dominate these boards... wonder why ??

I say "ACTIONS speak louder then WORDS." Surely the best indication of a team's playing environment is shown by the retention of players and other players wanting to play there.

For one, "off the bench" i don't know if Vealy would be all too thrilled with you constantly quoting her on the boards. Actually, if you know Vealy as well as you say you do, i think you would know that she would be quite pissed about it actually. Your right, she ain't one to say a bad word about anybody... like i said, actions speak louder then words. Who isn't she playing for this year... oh thats right.... the Flames!!!

I'm sure my best friend's lauren jackson, Roh Cox, Shelly Hammonds and Graffy (just to name a few), won't mind me quoting on these very accurate and legitimate boards everything they might have said (but probably didn't).... i'm sure they'll absolutely love it!!!

Some new blood might be all thats needed to take a, lets face it, a still very talented group, and instill a little bit of drive, and motivation into them.

Well well well.. how about that! Another one steps up from the bushes.

Firstly, I referred to one 3 second point in a conversation that I had with Vealy- off the cuff too- and the only reason I bought it up was to kill off the innuendo certain ppl here were putting that kept trying to rally that there was some big big conspiracy or falling out or giant story to tell of how the move was so so sour!! I'm sure that if she ever did read the Boards... she, unlike you would recognise that it was just the one statement- and that i didn't quote everything bar what her dog ate on the boards!!!! :wink:

And way too name drop there Infectiouss... nice set of friends- i leave it to you what you want to quote them on- I'm surely you'll have plenty to tell. :wink: I'll handle my business the way I choose to. In the meantime you enjoy spending time with your bff's! :lol:

Oh and just quietly... let me add on there that we won! great game for us to. Sarah was unstoppable and amazing at the same time surely a lock in for the ROY award. It was definitely smiles all around at the bar!!! :D

[Off_the_bench]

Debbie Cook has been doing nothing since she left the tute. surely she has some credentials?
Tracy Samuels? She's been a succesful coach at ABA level.
what about her past assistants Turton, Ally and Alava. Any of those ready?

i dont think the problem is the coach. Kids dont want to come and play in sydney beacuse of certain players. (now thats a fact!)

just to remind coach pete that all those girls ba one Nikita are from NSW and where else would they want to go after wasting 2-3 down the tute. Why didnt Ebzery and camino come? Their the 2 we sydney should of wanted.

tracy Samuels...now there's a blast from the past! the 3 time winning ABA coach! Still, nowhere near National League. Cookie... hmmm... another from the very very past! Great teacher of the game but there must be something in the fact that after 9 years in the Tute with Browny no gig- maybe she's happy in a well paid job.

as for certain players, please... enlighten us? and as for Camino, I can tell you... no way any club could have matched what Townsville offered her first year out of the tute- unless you were a russian club! :wink: and I'm not sure Sydney's education structured packages would suit her anyway. :wink:

ebzery may have gone for the familiarity of Waters having worked with him in junior teams.

[dirtydigits]

Vealy has never had a bad word to say about Sydney and I know that the Thunder management actually sung Dalton's praises along with Vealy just after our big win against Adelaide.



Let's just say that everytime I've spoken to Vealy, she has been quite open and fortright about many a topic inclusive of her time with the Flames- seeing as you may or may not know her- let me give you the heads up- she's a straight shooter! so I got no reason to believe that she's running her mouth full of lies
about her time in sydney (and with Dalton or this supposed "culture" you refer to).

ok so when you said vealy has NEVER had a bad word to say and that EVERYTIME youve spoke to vealy what you meant was "on the one time i spoke to vealy which was a 3 sec conversation she did not say anything bad about sydney. ok thanks for clearing that up. great stuff.

i did not say vealy said anything about her time in sydney. you are the one that said that. so if i was vealy i would be annoyed with you. unfortunately for me i am not vealy.

my point was that other players outside the club think there are issues at sydney and that is stopping us getting quality players. if it is because of the players i think anyone thats ever been at a flames game would be able to guess which player it is. and thats a shame because she got game

[dirtydigits]

I think the Flames are a victim of their own previous winning successes albeit that one title to show. Every team needs to rebuild and they are now in that phase of their team structure. As for your no care/successful aba coaches, if Dalton was to move on, I'm sure the replacement would be a tried and trusted WNBL coach- a Fox, Gooding, Lucas, heck even an O'Brien maybe. There would be no chance in hell that any of the ABA coaches would be ready for that jump.

In other teams... did anyone else see the Bendigo v Bulleen game and the cuts to the Spirit timeouts- I felt slightly tongue -tied on the number of occasions daughter commanded and changed daddy's plans. Mind you, any coach should be listening to what Kristi has to say. Waters from Dandy is another who has players yapping at timeouts.

why wouldnt you consider 1 of the assistants. dalton herself was mahers assistant before he went to china. they should be given the chance. alava seems to be the main assistant. why not him.

and as for the bedigo bulleen point. what is your point. your shocked yet you agree huh. kristi's points were good points. maybe save that point for another time. sometimes just like in karate kid the young one overtakes the sensei and it would be wise for the mentor to listen and learn.

[Off_the_bench]

[quote=Off_the_bench]
Vealy has never had a bad word to say about Sydney and I know that the Thunder management actually sung Dalton's praises along with Vealy just after our big win against Adelaide.



Let's just say that everytime I've spoken to Vealy, she has been quite open and fortright about many a topic inclusive of her time with the Flames- seeing as you may or may not know her- let me give you the heads up- she's a straight shooter! so I got no reason to believe that she's running her mouth full of lies
about her time in sydney (and with Dalton or this supposed "culture" you refer to).

ok so when you said vealy has NEVER had a bad word to say and that EVERYTIME youve spoke to vealy what you meant was "on the one time i spoke to vealy which was a 3 sec conversation she did not say anything bad about sydney. ok thanks for clearing that up. great stuff.

i did not say vealy said anything about her time in sydney. you are the one that said that. so if i was vealy i would be annoyed with you. unfortunately for me i am not vealy.

my point was that other players outside the club think there are issues at sydney and that is stopping us getting quality players. if it is because of the players i think anyone thats ever been at a flames game would be able to guess which player it is. and thats a shame because she got game[/quote:1l6p5tmo]

So I guess you caught me out telling the truth??? Oh good!!! Thanks! :lol: and yes... do clarify that... one convo and that every time, oops... one time! :wink: And for what its worth, the only thing anyone can gather from your contribution is that "other" players outside the club think there are issues with the team- well sounds like bitter and twisted players (or ex-players) with an agenda to me! maybe they should talk to people in the team. I know one thing I hope no new recruits talk to you for Sydney's sake... otherwise they will get the impression of someone already outside the team who listens to other people outside the team and then wants to pass it off as if its in the team!! :P Doesn't it sound like I'm talking crap??? :P

Heck talk to me... I'm Karen Dalton remember!! :lol: :lol: :lol: and if you're lucky I might even make up some S**t Dalton might say, seeing as I'm also "outside" the team.

[InfectiousS]

Well well well.. how about that! Another one steps up from the bushes.

Firstly, I referred to one 3 second point in a conversation that I had with Vealy- off the cuff too- and the only reason I bought it up was to kill off the innuendo certain ppl here were putting that kept trying to rally that there was some big big conspiracy or falling out or giant story to tell of how the move was so so sour!! I'm sure that if she ever did read the Boards... she, unlike you would recognise that it was just the one statement- and that i didn't quote everything bar what her dog ate on the boards!!!! :wink:

And way too name drop there Infectiouss... nice set of friends- i leave it to you what you want to quote them on- I'm surely you'll have plenty to tell. :wink: I'll handle my business the way I choose to. In the meantime you enjoy spending time with your bff's! :lol:

Oh and just quietly... let me add on there that we won! great game for us to. Sarah was unstoppable and amazing at the same time surely a lock in for the ROY award. It was definitely smiles all around at the bar!!! :D

haha... yes "from the bushes". Considering i started the thread.. thats just a tad humerous (but i'm not laughing just yet)

Thanks for clearing all the innuendo up. I can now honestly say that because you quoted Kristen Veal, on these boards, that there is no longer a seed of doubt left in my mind that "the flames conspiracy" is a total sham in itself. (Please note my obvious sarcasm, which seems to be lost on you)!

Its quite obvious we are never going to agree on this point of conversation. And thankgod. Where is the fun in us all patting each other on the back, telling each other "What a wonderful insight and knowledge of the game we all have" and "isn't it wonderful how we all agree on every player, coach, and point of play".... *yawn* ... I'm happy that the Flames is covering up a huge Dalton conspiracy. Makes for a good read!

PS. Off_the_bench... I love the way you use your smiley faces in your posts. Totally animates what is otherwise quite a monotonous text. (see i can patt-patt on the back-back too)!

[Off_the_bench]

Well well well.. how about that! Another one steps up from the bushes.

Firstly, I referred to one 3 second point in a conversation that I had with Vealy- off the cuff too- and the only reason I bought it up was to kill off the innuendo certain ppl here were putting that kept trying to rally that there was some big big conspiracy or falling out or giant story to tell of how the move was so so sour!! I'm sure that if she ever did read the Boards... she, unlike you would recognise that it was just the one statement- and that i didn't quote everything bar what her dog ate on the boards!!!! :wink:

And way too name drop there Infectiouss... nice set of friends- i leave it to you what you want to quote them on- I'm surely you'll have plenty to tell. :wink: I'll handle my business the way I choose to. In the meantime you enjoy spending time with your bff's! :lol:

Oh and just quietly... let me add on there that we won! great game for us to. Sarah was unstoppable and amazing at the same time surely a lock in for the ROY award. It was definitely smiles all around at the bar!!! :D

haha... yes "from the bushes". Considering i started the thread.. thats just a tad humerous (but i'm not laughing just yet)

Thanks for clearing all the innuendo up. I can now honestly say that because you quoted Kristen Veal, on these boards, that there is no longer a seed of doubt left in my mind that "the flames conspiracy" is a total sham in itself. (Please note my obvious sarcasm, which seems to be lost on you)!

Its quite obvious we are never going to agree on this point of conversation. And thankgod. Where is the fun in us all patting each other on the back, telling each other "What a wonderful insight and knowledge of the game we all have" and "isn't it wonderful how we all agree on every player, coach, and point of play".... *yawn* ... I'm happy that the Flames is covering up a huge Dalton conspiracy. Makes for a good read!

PS. Off_the_bench... I love the way you use your smiley faces in your posts. Totally animates what is otherwise quite a monotonous text. (see i can patt-patt on the back-back too)!

The only sham I can gather is you trying to pass off this thread- seeing as you started it- as Coach Movements!- you've not tried to even come close outside of the cover of Graf and the Caps/Opals job to mentioning any other potential coach movements. Not an acknowledgement of any other coach doing a good job, who might (seeing as we're all speculators here) or might not be safe etc etc. But let me pat you on the back here, good job on commenting on stuff you obviously feel comfortable about. The title should read- Karen can't Coach can we move her please! (sorry couldn't fit 'ments' anywhere)

I get the impression you thrive on the Flames talk, how about an opinion on other teams??? Go on! or is that too monotonous for you and intellectually inferior seeing as its not about the Flames?? oops... :?: :?: :?: :lol:

Btw... It's all good, if we EVER agree on anything on here...I'll put this little emoti for you :espn: because it'll have to be the no. 1 play of the day on Sportscenter!

[dirtydigits]

Firstly, I referred to one 3 second point in a conversation that I had with Vealy- off the cuff too- and the only reason I bought it up was to kill off the innuendo certain ppl here were putting that kept trying to rally that there was some big big conspiracy or falling out or giant story to tell of how the move was so so sour!! I'm sure that if she ever did read the Boards... she, unlike you would recognise that it was just the one statement- and that i didn't quote everything bar what her dog ate on the boards!!!! :wink:


i hope i dont hjave to quote you again to clear this up but this was your last post stating one 3 sec conversation. i pulled out your old quotes to show that you have said EVERY TIME you speka to her and bla bla bla... clearly the truth lives somewhere deep inside you because you are full of it. but anyway moving on... this is tiresome.

[dirtydigits]

So I guess you caught me out telling the truth??? Oh good!!! Thanks! :lol: and yes... do clarify that... one convo and that every time, oops... one time! :wink: And for what its worth, the only thing anyone can gather from your contribution is that "other" players outside the club think there are issues with the team- well sounds like bitter and twisted players (or ex-players) with an agenda to me! maybe they should talk to people in the team. I know one thing I hope no new recruits talk to you for Sydney's sake... otherwise they will get the impression of someone already outside the team who listens to other people outside the team and then wants to pass it off as if its in the team!! :P Doesn't it sound like I'm talking crap??? :P


your really having trouble getting this one so im going to shout it. YOUNG PLAYERS AT THE INSTITUTE THINK THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE CULTURE AT SYDNEY! not ex players, not bitter and twisted, YOUNG PLAYERS LOOKING TO START THERE CAREERS.

i hope other people start talking about other potential coach movements but i am particularly interested in sydneys situation. not syaing there needs to be a change in coaches but something needs to change. noone has said anything about where fox is. but lets be honest with eacother does anyone even no who coaches the perth team??????

[Off_the_bench]

So I guess you caught me out telling the truth??? Oh good!!! Thanks! :lol: and yes... do clarify that... one convo and that every time, oops... one time! :wink: And for what its worth, the only thing anyone can gather from your contribution is that "other" players outside the club think there are issues with the team- well sounds like bitter and twisted players (or ex-players) with an agenda to me! maybe they should talk to people in the team. I know one thing I hope no new recruits talk to you for Sydney's sake... otherwise they will get the impression of someone already outside the team who listens to other people outside the team and then wants to pass it off as if its in the team!! :P Doesn't it sound like I'm talking crap??? :P


your really having trouble getting this one so im going to shout it. YOUNG PLAYERS AT THE INSTITUTE THINK THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE CULTURE AT SYDNEY! not ex players, not bitter and twisted, YOUNG PLAYERS LOOKING TO START THERE CAREERS.

i hope other people start talking about other potential coach movements but i am particularly interested in sydneys situation. not syaing there needs to be a change in coaches but something needs to change. noone has said anything about where fox is. but lets be honest with eacother does anyone even no who coaches the perth team??????

C'mon don't get tiresome... I absolutely love replying and reading your posts- keep up, chin up and keep bringing it!! I told you once, me tell you again, you're entertaining!! :lol:

Hmmm... thank you for yelling that out... you talk so much crap with your cryptic-style messages that no one on here would have thought AIS players were the ones that you referred to. Hope it didn't hurt to type that up.

Now how about doing all of us on the Boards here a favour... leave nothing to chance or imagination- seeing as you are obviously a firm believer (i mean you've mentioned it enough) that there is this "culture" HOW ABOUT TELLING US WHAT CULTURE YOU"RE TALKING ABOUT?? What is so bad in a team that you think AIS kids don't want to come to Sydney?? and how long has this culture cost Sydney AIS Grads.?
Humour me?? HEck humour us all...

Last season:

Nic Hunt- Dandenong- Vic Country kid
Cayla Francis- Adelaide- SA Metro
Mia Newley- Adelaide- SA Metro
Emma Langford- US College- SA Country
Nikita Lee Martin- Flames- SA Metro
Jamiee Kennedy- Flames- NSW Country
Marianna Tolo- Caps- Nth Qld
Molly Lewis- Flames- NSW Country
Kate Ebzery- Dandenong- NSW Country
Bec Schatz- Townsville- Qld

Of the 9 girls who left to sign WNBL contracts, 6 went back home to their home states. Perhaps there was something wrong with the culture of all the clubs collectively as it seems very hard to twist the arm of kids coming out of the Tute to go anywhere else but their home clubs?? To me, it looks more like a case of wanting to go home after being away at the Tute. Do your homework dirty... do your homework! :lol:

In times like these that the Flames are going through, they need their fans support, not people stabbing the knife in. Perhaps Sydney fans have been spoiled from years of winning seasons and numerous GF appearances. Reminds me of New York fans really, so fickle!

And here's some more food for thought if you actually stopped with the Flames bashing and showed some interest in the other teams.

*Gary Fox is currently unattached to a WNBL club and his position as Opals assistant is up for revue as is protocol with the appointment of a new Opals HC.
*Joe Mckay is the name of the Perth Coach- second year this year and might I add I believe has done well with the group he has out west. He too I'm sure is learning having previously been a mens coach.

Now I eagerly await another opportunity to put you in your box... but only if you step out of line! :wink: :P

[dirtydigits]

C'mon don't get tiresome... I absolutely love replying and reading your posts- keep up, chin up and keep bringing it!! I told you once, me tell you again, you're entertaining!! :lol:

Hmmm... thank you for yelling that out... you talk so much crap with your cryptic-style messages that no one on here would have thought AIS players were the ones that you referred to. Hope it didn't hurt to type that up.

Now how about doing all of us on the Boards here a favour... leave nothing to chance or imagination- seeing as you are obviously a firm believer (i mean you've mentioned it enough) that there is this "culture" HOW ABOUT TELLING US WHAT CULTURE YOU"RE TALKING ABOUT?? What is so bad in a team that you think AIS kids don't want to come to Sydney?? and how long has this culture cost Sydney AIS Grads.?
Humour me?? HEck humour us all...

Last season:

Nic Hunt- Dandenong- Vic Country kid
Cayla Francis- Adelaide- SA Metro
Mia Newley- Adelaide- SA Metro
Emma Langford- US College- SA Country
Nikita Lee Martin- Flames- SA Metro
Jamiee Kennedy- Flames- NSW Country
Marianna Tolo- Caps- Nth Qld
Molly Lewis- Flames- NSW Country
Kate Ebzery- Dandenong- NSW Country
Bec Schatz- Townsville- Qld

Of the 9 girls who left to sign WNBL contracts, 6 went back home to their home states. Perhaps there was something wrong with the culture of all the clubs collectively as it seems very hard to twist the arm of kids coming out of the Tute to go anywhere else but their home clubs?? To me, it looks more like a case of wanting to go home after being away at the Tute. Do your homework dirty... do your homework! :lol:

In times like these that the Flames are going through, they need their fans support, not people stabbing the knife in. Perhaps Sydney fans have been spoiled from years of winning seasons and numerous GF appearances. Reminds me of New York fans really, so fickle!

And here's some more food for thought if you actually stopped with the Flames bashing and showed some interest in the other teams.

*Gary Fox is currently unattached to a WNBL club and his position as Opals assistant is up for revue as is protocol with the appointment of a new Opals HC.
*Joe Mckay is the name of the Perth Coach- second year this year and might I add I believe has done well with the group he has out west. He too I'm sure is learning having previously been a mens coach.

Now I eagerly await another opportunity to put you in your box... but only if you step out of line! :wink: :P

now now if it has taken you this many posts to get it as well as the private message you sent me a few days ago you seriously have problems. the culture is a 'percieved problem' concerning negativity and simply not a place they want to be. this is not me making it up (as i said in the private messge response) this is what the kids have said. unlike you I am not going to name names on this one because it would only make the players look bad and im not up for that. however i will name some names because i have done some homework just like you asked.

in that private message you told me you were at the flames two years ago. now seeing as you are a flames lover and didnt seem to leave on bad terms i have researched the team and that left me a bit confused. but with a bit of extra research i found out who you are.
im so sorry for calling you Karen Dalton i was wrong. you are leanne dalton. dont bother denying it i wont believe you anyway.

as for the flames bashing i dont see it that way this is construcytive talk about what the problem is and how it can be solved. you seem to be very sensative about it but given your connection its understandable. im sorry if i hurt your feelings.

thats what i said fox was doing so thanks for confirming that one.

[FeelinDaHeat]

I think the Flames are a victim of their own previous winning successes albeit that one title to show. Every team needs to rebuild and they are now in that phase of their team structure. As for your no care/successful aba coaches, if Dalton was to move on, I'm sure the replacement would be a tried and trusted WNBL coach- a Fox, Gooding, Lucas, heck even an O'Brien maybe. There would be no chance in hell that any of the ABA coaches would be ready for that jump.

In other teams... did anyone else see the Bendigo v Bulleen game and the cuts to the Spirit timeouts- I felt slightly tongue -tied on the number of occasions daughter commanded and changed daddy's plans. Mind you, any coach should be listening to what Kristi has to say. Waters from Dandy is another who has players yapping at timeouts.

why wouldnt you consider 1 of the assistants. dalton herself was mahers assistant before he went to china. they should be given the chance. alava seems to be the main assistant. why not him.

and as for the bedigo bulleen point. what is your point. your shocked yet you agree huh. kristi's points were good points. maybe save that point for another time. sometimes just like in karate kid the young one overtakes the sensei and it would be wise for the mentor to listen and learn.

I'm not saying that Alava or Turton can't do the job. I'm just saying that about the only time assistants get the gig is when a Head Coach willingly moves on or retires, not when they are sacked- which is what i think the circumstance you might be referring to. can't see dalton moving on voluntarily.

I'll put another name out there that could do the gig- Peter Lonergan. He's a current Opals Assistant, has international experience, would be well versed with what the current trends are, and he's in NSW- all the ingredients are there. I've met him on a few occasions and he seems to be a relaxed kind of guy. In fact the more I think about it, the more he seems to be the best candidate.

As for my point about kristi, yes it is a little shocking to see a player over rule the coach to the extent that all that is left for him to say is "Spirit" with the hands in- but yes I do agree with what she said. That ok?

[FeelinDaHeat]

C'mon don't get tiresome... I absolutely love replying and reading your posts- keep up, chin up and keep bringing it!! I told you once, me tell you again, you're entertaining!! :lol:

Hmmm... thank you for yelling that out... you talk so much crap with your cryptic-style messages that no one on here would have thought AIS players were the ones that you referred to. Hope it didn't hurt to type that up.

Now how about doing all of us on the Boards here a favour... leave nothing to chance or imagination- seeing as you are obviously a firm believer (i mean you've mentioned it enough) that there is this "culture" HOW ABOUT TELLING US WHAT CULTURE YOU"RE TALKING ABOUT?? What is so bad in a team that you think AIS kids don't want to come to Sydney?? and how long has this culture cost Sydney AIS Grads.?
Humour me?? HEck humour us all...

Last season:

Nic Hunt- Dandenong- Vic Country kid
Cayla Francis- Adelaide- SA Metro
Mia Newley- Adelaide- SA Metro
Emma Langford- US College- SA Country
Nikita Lee Martin- Flames- SA Metro
Jamiee Kennedy- Flames- NSW Country
Marianna Tolo- Caps- Nth Qld
Molly Lewis- Flames- NSW Country
Kate Ebzery- Dandenong- NSW Country
Bec Schatz- Townsville- Qld

Of the 9 girls who left to sign WNBL contracts, 6 went back home to their home states. Perhaps there was something wrong with the culture of all the clubs collectively as it seems very hard to twist the arm of kids coming out of the Tute to go anywhere else but their home clubs?? To me, it looks more like a case of wanting to go home after being away at the Tute. Do your homework dirty... do your homework! :lol:

In times like these that the Flames are going through, they need their fans support, not people stabbing the knife in. Perhaps Sydney fans have been spoiled from years of winning seasons and numerous GF appearances. Reminds me of New York fans really, so fickle!

And here's some more food for thought if you actually stopped with the Flames bashing and showed some interest in the other teams.

*Gary Fox is currently unattached to a WNBL club and his position as Opals assistant is up for revue as is protocol with the appointment of a new Opals HC.
*Joe Mckay is the name of the Perth Coach- second year this year and might I add I believe has done well with the group he has out west. He too I'm sure is learning having previously been a mens coach.

Now I eagerly await another opportunity to put you in your box... but only if you step out of line! :wink: :P

now now if it has taken you this many posts to get it as well as the private message you sent me a few days ago you seriously have problems. the culture is a 'percieved problem' concerning negativity and simply not a place they want to be. this is not me making it up (as i said in the private messge response) this is what the kids have said. unlike you I am not going to name names on this one because it would only make the players look bad and im not up for that. however i will name some names because i have done some homework just like you asked.

in that private message you told me you were at the flames two years ago. now seeing as you are a flames lover and didnt seem to leave on bad terms i have researched the team and that left me a bit confused. but with a bit of extra research i found out who you are.
im so sorry for calling you Karen Dalton i was wrong. you are leanne dalton. dont bother denying it i wont believe you anyway.

as for the flames bashing i dont see it that way this is construcytive talk about what the problem is and how it can be solved. you seem to be very sensative about it but given your connection its understandable. im sorry if i hurt your feelings.

thats what i said fox was doing so thanks for confirming that one.

Ok now, don't mean to be getting into other ppl's business dd and otb, but leanne dalton left the flames 6 years ago.. did she make a comeback? and unless i'm wrong and was seeing things at Flames home games, leanne is very much in sydney and not qld where i gather otb is.

very confused? but then again thought i might just add a sighting.

[Off_the_bench]

now now if it has taken you this many posts to get it as well as the private message you sent me a few days ago you seriously have problems. the culture is a 'percieved problem' concerning negativity and simply not a place they want to be. this is not me making it up (as i said in the private messge response) this is what the kids have said. unlike you I am not going to name names on this one because it would only make the players look bad and im not up for that. however i will name some names because i have done some homework just like you asked.

in that private message you told me you were at the flames two years ago. now seeing as you are a flames lover and didnt seem to leave on bad terms i have researched the team and that left me a bit confused. but with a bit of extra research i found out who you are.
im so sorry for calling you Karen Dalton i was wrong. you are leanne dalton. dont bother denying it i wont believe you anyway.

as for the flames bashing i dont see it that way this is construcytive talk about what the problem is and how it can be solved. you seem to be very sensative about it but given your connection its understandable. im sorry if i hurt your feelings.

thats what i said fox was doing so thanks for confirming that one.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: you make it so fun so easy!!! well now that i'm leanne dalton, i'll give you that seeing as i told you that I could be grandpa!!

you're such a clown! now in that private message where i tried to see why the hate- why the bad mouthing i did tell you that I was in Sydney 2 years ago- living you idiot!! :lol: in fact I'm was sydney-sider up until the move to qld! the only reason i know so much about Sydney basketball (if you can actually call what i know "much" at all) is because I use to coach juniors and did a few development programs there. Now here's a bit of advice sensei... to ASSUME things makes an ass out of u and me- but in this case- its all you!! I never once said that i was an ex-player. You also claim to be fan- yet you've done nothing but rip into "your" team on the boards. You're no fan- you're a stench- where you go- it smells bad! and you've gone at the Flames like a busted sewerage pipe.

Now my turn to live in LaLa land, in my heart of hearts, if you were a wnbl player looking at sydney with all the hate you have for the team and add on to the hate the coach thing- i see that you would be no chance in that program even if you're fav person was the coach of you're choice as you wouldn't fit the "study at uni package" due to lack of intellect.

hey its your choice to name and yadda yadda yadda... from the same person who i once read "Name you're sources!" oh dear...

but let's get back to the facts- and they are:

1. you keep talking about being told- yet you have no argument to the lovely list i compiled for you- shame on those other wnbl clubs for not recruiting and stealing ais grads from their home states. review your culture i say!!!

2. i might put up for sydney, but as i once said to you- where's there's crap talking on the boards- the garbage man will clean-up- and you my friend make it so easy to clean up.

now somebody call Australia Post- I have a boxed package to send!! :lol:

luv leanne

ps. its not sensitive... i seriously find you entertaining! you are the rose to my thorn but you are also my mr. miyagi- wax on, wax off!

Btw... in keeping with the topic, Mckay- safe, Harrower- safe, Waters- hmmm, Kinsman- Goooonnnne!

[madballer]

I must say that you two are very entertaining and keep these boards alive...so keep up the good work !!

As far as whatz been said re; Flames & Dalton...I also do support digits about a certain culture at the Flames and I will say it..that young kids seem to b scared to go and play for a team where the pt guard constantly rants and raves at them & that the head coach and pt guard seem to have a bond that unfortunatel excludes her from any discipline for her disgraceful behaviour. Having said that though, I do have alot of respect for Dalton as she has alot of experience in basketball especially for Australia and if she could only somewhat remove herself from her current situation, step back and take a deep look at whats going on she could find her secret succesful mojo again.

off the bench I still find it hard to believe that you are not connected somehow...as it sure does smell a lil fishy seeing as though you have close links to both the Flames and the Thunder...hmmm two daltons...ex flames players...maybe you are somewhat torn and i often get confused by your posts...i think you should just pick one team and stick with that.

but as i said...you two keep me entertained...so please dont stop :lol:

[dirtydigits]

I must say that you two are very entertaining and keep these boards alive...so keep up the good work !!

As far as whatz been said re; Flames & Dalton...I also do support digits about a certain culture at the Flames and I will say it..that young kids seem to b scared to go and play for a team where the pt guard constantly rants and raves at them & that the head coach and pt guard seem to have a bond that unfortunatel excludes her from any discipline for her disgraceful behaviour. Having said that though, I do have alot of respect for Dalton as she has alot of experience in basketball especially for Australia and if she could only somewhat remove herself from her current situation, step back and take a deep look at whats going on she could find her secret succesful mojo again.

off the bench I still find it hard to believe that you are not connected somehow...as it sure does smell a lil fishy seeing as though you have close links to both the Flames and the Thunder...hmmm two daltons...ex flames players...maybe you are somewhat torn and i often get confused by your posts...i think you should just pick one team and stick with that.

but as i said...you two keep me entertained...so please dont stop :lol:

a voice from above. thank you madballer. as for dalt and the mojo you are spot on. if only off the bench could see that to instead of just arguing with me on that one.
leanne worked for flames 2 years ago but stopped playing before that not sure when. off the bench, when did you stop playing again. she thinks i hate the flames so much but it doesnt make sense if she was a thunder fan does it. but fair enuff since her brother is up there to so maybe we should let her have her two teams

[FeelinDaHeat]

I must say that you two are very entertaining and keep these boards alive...so keep up the good work !!

As far as whatz been said re; Flames & Dalton...I also do support digits about a certain culture at the Flames and I will say it..that young kids seem to b scared to go and play for a team where the pt guard constantly rants and raves at them & that the head coach and pt guard seem to have a bond that unfortunatel excludes her from any discipline for her disgraceful behaviour. Having said that though, I do have alot of respect for Dalton as she has alot of experience in basketball especially for Australia and if she could only somewhat remove herself from her current situation, step back and take a deep look at whats going on she could find her secret succesful mojo again.

off the bench I still find it hard to believe that you are not connected somehow...as it sure does smell a lil fishy seeing as though you have close links to both the Flames and the Thunder...hmmm two daltons...ex flames players...maybe you are somewhat torn and i often get confused by your posts...i think you should just pick one team and stick with that.

but as i said...you two keep me entertained...so please dont stop :lol:

They are both very entertaining aren't they? :lol: its like a different type of tennis, back and forth, back and forth. bet they're secretly meant for each other! :P just kidding

Madballer i trust that you must have been to some home games to notice poto's rants and raves close up? a little skew-if in that our two love birds above are going at it about potential recruits- you're saying that the young kids in the team are also scared to play? She is quite the animated little general and she does yell at her team mates in games like a rabid rottweiller at times but i'd still rather be on her team rather than play against her.

So I guess, without running around it and calling a spade a spade, people are saying that Poto is the problem. That she is responsible for why athletes don't want to go to sydney and that the coach has lost total control of her?

[FeelinDaHeat]

as for dalt and the mojo you are spot on. if only off the bench could see that to instead of just arguing with me on that one.
leanne worked for flames 2 years ago but stopped playing before that not sure when. off the bench, when did you stop playing again. she thinks i hate the flames so much but it doesnt make sense if she was a thunder fan does it. but fair enuff since her brother is up there to so maybe we should let her have her two teams

I'm not totally convinced that its a Leanne there- OTB has to some definite opinions on all things Thunder including home games and like i said, I see Leanne at the majority of Sydney's home games. May be there's another sister we don't know about??? :P If it is her, can you imagine picking between a brother and a sister- I'd be backing both teams too! :lol:

[madballer]

Yes I have attended a few Flames games, and have also watched many ABC games and witnessed how bad potos body language is towards her teammates and dalton...it is quite appauling and is only an embarassment on herself. And yes I do think that young players are scared of poto, not so much dalton...but we all know that dalton will go into bat for her most important player so I think that scares potential recruits.
A player wants to know that a coach treats each player equally (although this doesnt happen in many teams or sports) and it can play a big factor in deciding on which team to play for...

But in getting back to the topic...people are suggesting that maybe a flames assitant would be eligible for the job, but for me Poto is more of an assistant that Alava or Turton so maybe she is ready for the gig??? :P

[Off_the_bench]

I must say that you two are very entertaining and keep these boards alive...so keep up the good work !!

As far as whatz been said re; Flames & Dalton...I also do support digits about a certain culture at the Flames and I will say it..that young kids seem to b scared to go and play for a team where the pt guard constantly rants and raves at them & that the head coach and pt guard seem to have a bond that unfortunatel excludes her from any discipline for her disgraceful behaviour. Having said that though, I do have alot of respect for Dalton as she has alot of experience in basketball especially for Australia and if she could only somewhat remove herself from her current situation, step back and take a deep look at whats going on she could find her secret succesful mojo again.

off the bench I still find it hard to believe that you are not connected somehow...as it sure does smell a lil fishy seeing as though you have close links to both the Flames and the Thunder...hmmm two daltons...ex flames players...maybe you are somewhat torn and i often get confused by your posts...i think you should just pick one team and stick with that.

but as i said...you two keep me entertained...so please dont stop :lol:

Thank you madballer, glad that my sparring partner and me can offer you some light entertainment. 8)

As for your statement above- it would seem that you know the group quite well. for all my knowledge of the flames over the years- or the family bbq's if you believe dirty, i can't claim to have an innate knowledge of the relationship dynamic of that group. obviously, you seeing them in a number of home games would expose you to that group more than those of us who are unable to watch.

and make no mistake- I'm Logan through and through. Seeing as they are the new team in the block and are my local team- its an opportunity to get on board the team from inception. With my formative years as a Sydney-sider, of course I took a keen interest in the Flames, and the Kings too for that matter.

If there is something that smells fishy, it'd be the draft from the bin, when i took out the rubbish! :wink:

I'm not totally convinced that its a Leanne there- OTB has to some definite opinions on all things Thunder including home games and like i said, I see Leanne at the majority of Sydney's home games.

C'mon Feelindaheat, don't you know I have a DeLorean?? allows me to travelback and forward in time- depending on who plays first- i get to be in all places! stole it off Marty McFly! Of course i can be in Qld and NSW at the same time! :lol:

off the bench, when did you stop playing again. she thinks i hate the flames so much but it doesnt make sense if she was a thunder fan does it. but fair enuff since her brother is up there to so maybe we should let her have her two teams

I'm totally flattered that you think I used to play. But let me tell you outright, and disappointingly, I was never ever a chance of playing WNBL! local comp however, is totally different- i stopped playing that 2 years ago. :wink: and don't get confused- i hate it when people talk crap- and that wouldn't matter whether i was a Thunder, Flames, Lynx, Spirit or whatever fan. if you take that on board and see some of our great convos, there really is nothing that doesn't make sense with my stance on the Flames, or perhaps more directly- you at times.

I know you'll be here, you know i'll be waiting... so let's just deal with it- bring it and keep it real! :D :P

[reason]

i thought fox was assistant to opals? i he isnt appointed again maybe dandy will take him back.

Won't be taken back as long as the Earth rotates on its axis.

You can count him out of contention for any team. :twisted:

[roadie]

Reason - why?

[The Rabbit]

i don't mean to rude but i thought their were only 3 daltons ?

Who's leanne and where and when did she play WNBL?

have to agree wholeheartedly on the poto comment. Porter also didn't give out much praise to her players on the court when things weren't going her way. Both of them are definitely not leaders in my books.

[hellcat]

I'm pretty sure Leanne is the 4th Dalton sibling. From memory, she has played for both the Brisbane Blazers and the Sydney Flames.

[madballer]

There are 5 Daltons...4 of whom where fantastic basketballers in there hay day!!

Poto and Porter were both fiery last season, and seem to be typical passionate players. However if you dropped both of them from last seasons line up I'm not sure who would have lead that team. Poto however seems to stop playing when things don't go her way, and seems more disrespectful with her body language towards Dalton. Porter on the otherhand, didn't seem to stop playing just seemed to get more frustrated with her teammates not getting her the ball.

I put this one to you Off The Bench seeing as though you know all things 'Logan,' will Orlick be around for the 09/10 season or do you think he has done his dash this season?

[Off_the_bench]

I put this one to you Off The Bench seeing as though you know all things 'Logan,' will Orlick be around for the 09/10 season or do you think he has done his dash this season?

He's done an outstanding job and as I have said so in the past- another thread actually i think- he will be back and I'm sure that the only he way he will be relieved of his duties is if he gave it up himself. He is in charge of a well renowned school basketball program up here which i believe he still does full time.

Great manner with the girls and very much well respected and held in high esteem.

[dirtydigits]

I put this one to you Off The Bench seeing as though you know all things 'Logan,' will Orlick be around for the 09/10 season or do you think he has done his dash this season?

He's done an outstanding job and as I have said so in the past- another thread actually i think- he will be back and I'm sure that the only he way he will be relieved of his duties is if he gave it up himself. He is in charge of a well renowned school basketball program up here which i believe he still does full time.

Great manner with the girls and very much well respected and held in high esteem.

translation: "my brother Mark really likes him plus hes got another gig that helps pay the bills. anyway my sister karen already has a job."

sorry couldnt resist. but i do think orlick has done a good job with a team that looked alot like a aba team at the start of the season.

[Off_the_bench]

I put this one to you Off The Bench seeing as though you know all things 'Logan,' will Orlick be around for the 09/10 season or do you think he has done his dash this season?

He's done an outstanding job and as I have said so in the past- another thread actually i think- he will be back and I'm sure that the only he way he will be relieved of his duties is if he gave it up himself. He is in charge of a well renowned school basketball program up here which i believe he still does full time.

Great manner with the girls and very much well respected and held in high esteem.

translation: "my brother Mark really likes him plus hes got another gig that helps pay the bills. anyway my sister karen already has a job."

sorry couldnt resist. but i do think orlick has done a good job with a team that looked alot like a aba team at the start of the season.

Dial 1800 PLUMBER... it stinks again! Geez you bring new meaning to DIAL A DUMP! :wink:

Hang on... could it be- intelligence in dd land??? :lol:

Keep bringing it dd... Keep bringing it! :P

[dirtydigits]

Dial 1800 PLUMBER... it stinks again! Geez you bring new meaning to DIAL A DUMP! :wink:

Hang on... could it be- intelligence in dd land??? :lol:

Keep bringing it dd... Keep bringing it! :P

translation: "I'm going to take the higher intellectual grounds by making poo jokes"

[Off_the_bench]

only when appropriate... and with you... it fits like a glove. 8)

the higher intellectual ground? do you even know what that means? you set some pretty low standards, not hard really.

now how about you comment more about the subject, show us that you aren't just full of s**t and I might leave you alone. :lol:

[misty hyman]

Does anyone know which coaches have signed for next season, or are carrying over a multi-year contract?

[insideout]

I'm guessing there is more than a little female venom on this thread. The Flames success like all others is based on funds available. Camino got big dollars from both Townsville and Adelaide (which surely we can measure success by dollars spent.) Veall headed north for money, Porter also quickly followed by Dombkins. Ebzery is obviously being paid in cash and kind niether are availble in Sydney.
Dalton is clearly limited by a young team with its experience limitations. The Flames have a lack of consistant shooters outside the paint and no WNBL team can hope to make the top 4 without an outside threat.
Last year the domestics on the court did not help. This year the lack of experience is hurting. Throw some real money into recruitment and I am sure that KD will come up roses. She like all coaches has some weakness but her competitveness and experience will bring the team back to the top. So put your claws away and send money.

[Left Field]

If any coach should be moving it's Vicki Valk. How can a team with that much talent be heading backwards?? I'm not entirely convinced that she is a WNBL calibre coach, she and her team looked lost a few weeks ago when thumped in Canberra, she sounded bereft of ideas in last weeks TV game against Logan and god knows what happened against Townsville. It would have to rate as one of the worst performance by an Adelaide team in history.

[Dunkin' Dan]

Yeah, they have certainly taken a major nosedive recently. I don't know how much is VV's doing, but a team with that much talent should be doing a lot better.

[rondo]

Adelaide should never have gotten rid of Chris Lucas

[Left Field]

Adelaide should never have gotten rid of Chris Lucas

Exactly. If the rumours were true and he was sacked because Angela was not the starting PG, then that is one of the most degraceful acts I've ever heard from a team owner. Angela should work to earn her spot in the starting line-up, something I think she has done this season.

[Left Field]

According to WIN News tonight Graf is close to signing a new 4 year deal with Capitals. It seems BA is allowing Graf to combine National and WNBL duties.

[misty hyman]

According to WIN News tonight Graf is close to signing a new 4 year deal with Capitals. It seems BA is allowing Graf to combine National and WNBL duties.

While that may be great for those who enjoy watching a great team play basketball out of Canberra, not a great Canberra team, since it should be remembered that only Hurst is from here, and it might see players like Tolo and Bishop remain, though I doubt the latter would be silly enough to pass up any European offers to stay, it is bad news for ACT basketball. Fees are going ever upwards for no discernible improvement in services!

In some ways she is a huge phucking liability. At least Dalton and Valk, for example, don't screw associations to assemble a team.

Now I wait LF and Observer to throw the vitriol.

[Left Field]

[quote="Left Field":15aac2fb]According to WIN News tonight Graf is close to signing a new 4 year deal with Capitals. It seems BA is allowing Graf to combine National and WNBL duties.

While that may be great for those who enjoy watching a great team play basketball out of Canberra, not a great Canberra team, since it should be remembered that only Hurst is from here, and it might see players like Tolo and Bishop remain, though I doubt the latter would be silly enough to pass up any European offers to stay, it is bad news for ACT basketball. Fees are going ever upwards for no discernible improvement in services!

In some ways she is a huge phucking liability. At least Dalton and Valk, for example, don't screw associations to assemble a team.

Now I wait LF and Observer to throw the vitriol.[/quote:15aac2fb]

You forgot Lauren Jansen. And Michaela's mother is a former Caps player, that has to give her some 'local' rights as well.

As your comment re 'screwing associations' I'd like more info (evidence) before I comment.

[misty hyman]

[quote="misty hyman":6dqxou7y][quote="Left Field":6dqxou7y]According to WIN News tonight Graf is close to signing a new 4 year deal with Capitals. It seems BA is allowing Graf to combine National and WNBL duties.

While that may be great for those who enjoy watching a great team play basketball out of Canberra, not a great Canberra team, since it should be remembered that only Hurst is from here, and it might see players like Tolo and Bishop remain, though I doubt the latter would be silly enough to pass up any European offers to stay, it is bad news for ACT basketball. Fees are going ever upwards for no discernible improvement in services!

In some ways she is a huge phucking liability. At least Dalton and Valk, for example, don't screw associations to assemble a team.

Now I wait LF and Observer to throw the vitriol.[/quote:6dqxou7y]

You forgot Lauren Jansen. And Michaela's mother is a former Caps player, that has to give her some 'local' rights as well.

As your comment re 'screwing associations' I'd like more info (evidence) before I comment.[/quote:6dqxou7y]

Jansen and Dalgleish are not WNBL standard and are not part of the regular rotation. Graf believes the former has talent, this is highly debatable, and is there because Graf was told by ACT Basketball to put a local in the squad. Dalgleish is a more interesting case, still crap though, and gets her spot to meet other obligations.


As to be screwed over, despite Observer's protestations, everything is geared towards the Capitals, such as staff, and fees for domestic and rep are going ever upwards to help cover their costs.

[Dene15]

MH, I think it's a bit unfair of you to expect that Canberra has to be selecting more players from the A.C.T when there are only 350,000 people who live there. This is compared to Sydney, who have the whole of New South Wales, Townsville and Logan who have all of Queensland, Adelaide who have SA etc.

The capitals represent a small area and small population so it's ridiculous to expect that they are going to have a team full of ACT talent. I'd like to see the any other team choose from a pool of only 350,000 people...

In regards to your comments about Graf, I am happy to pay a bit extra to see the Caps strive. Did you bother to watch the game tonight? A 6th championship in front of 5000 people. You wouldn't see that with any other team. You can say what you want about Graf, I'm damn glad we have her!

BTW Congratulations Capitals! Truly one of the best teams in WNBL history!! Great to see it held at a sold-out AIS arena also!

[Observer]

Okay Misty you asked for it.

1. The Capitals program is self funding and actullay makes a profit. Without the Capitals the Gunners would not exist.

2. As for staff, once again, you are wrong. The Capitals have their own staff (one) plus coaches and the own Basketball canberra staff help out from time to time just as they do with the junior represenative teams etc.

3. As for fees going up, I think you should really ahev a scoend look at what you have said. The incrase in fess is annual and is simply reflecting the CPI increase. Surely that is not not too much to expect. I think if you actually sit down you will see that for a senior grade team, with 8 players in the team, works out at about $11 per game. Which is comparable to most other indoor sports.

4. You also mention that that is not a "great Canberra Team". It is a Canberra team just like the Brumbies and Raiders how many of them are Canberra Locals? How many of the Cannons were Canberra locals in the end? When the Caps started they were Canberra Locals and look where they finished the same place as our ACT sides finish in National Championships! As Dene has stated we do not have the population to have the type of team that is reuired in a professional league. I would also suggest that while the team may not be Canberra products they now call Canberra home just like the large number of past Cannons and Capitals who have come and stayed here. Tully has set up home here for example as has Abrams who has stayed here after her stint at the AIS. Look at all the Cannons players such as Simon Dwight, Tad, Herb, Jerry Lee, David Close, Brad Williams, Murrray Shields, Barry Barnes to name a few and who are now puuting back into Juniro Basketball.

5. What proff have you got that Graf has "screwed the local association". It is very easy to come out with such comments but when you are asked to support it you cannot. If you can put together some "facts" on how this has happended please do.

I remember that you also said that the Caps would die once LJ left. You were wrong then and you are wrong again!

[Left Field]

I don't think Townsville have too many locals in their team either, and I think more than half of Adelaide's team is made up of 'outsiders', and Adelaide has three times the population of Canberra, it's a pathetic arguement. Even the Sydney team has a large number of players born outside Sydney. Also just because they weren't born in Canberra doesn't mean they aren't locals, Abrams has been living here for 13/14 years, she is as local as me and I wasn't born here either.