Lynx vs Danndernong tonight

[WilloWildWaves]

Looking foward to this one, the Lynx are back at the sweat box for the last home game ( the actual last last one being played in Kal for what ever reason) and they come up against a Dandy team that have just lost a close one to Adelaide last night. Both teams match up fairly well and though they are not big both have the ability to do some damage from mid to long range. IMO the Nongers played a pretty good game against adelaide and the Lynx will have to be on their best. Go Lynx :)

[George the Gragon]

What happened?

[Sherlock]

What happened?

what happened ? WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED more like it ...

I almost hope these rumours about Perth getting punted from the WNBL are true, because those midgets have no place in any Australian national sporting league with utterly disgraceful performances like that ... 38-110 , are you fucking serious ?!!

They were playing a tired team that had travelled the width of the country and was on the back end of a back to back, were they not ?!

If anyone from the Perth Lynx club has the wherewithall to navigate their way to this particular thread on this particular forum on this site, HANG YOUR MISERABLE HEADS IN SHAME ... not because you lost, teams lose sporting contests here there and everywhere, BUT BECAUSE YOU CLEARLY DIDN'T TRY ...

DISGRACEFUL .... SHAMEFUL ... INSIPID ...

[Ice]

I completely agree with you. It was a piss poor effort. I don't know if the girls won't play for the coach or the program but something was seriously wrong with their attitudes. How can they look at each other in the dressing room after playing a game like that? I mean dandy' only shot 56% from the feild so it wasn't like they were on fire. They certainly shouldn't have got 110 points. Plus what type of training are the Lynx doing that they only hit 15 of 65 shots? That's 23% and sadly not uncommon for the Lynx. Maybe instead of spending money on an American import they should hire a shotting coach because you'll see mini-ball games with a better shotting average than 23%. Something needs to be done and if that means punting perth from the league for a few years to get the excitement and passion back, not to mention some form of funding, then so be it.

[Leovia]

It was disgraceful and I had to laugh to stop myself from crying.

Joe McKay and Craig Mansfield: You are horrible, horrible coaches.

Deanna Smith: You are NOT a leader by any stretch of the imagination. If you are here next season, I strongly suggest you pass the mantle of 'captain' to Mel Marsh and just concentrate on getting your numbers.

You three people need to get your heads out of your a$$.

General chit chat amongst people says all three must go. Joe has NO idea how to coach in the womens game. Craig is like an immature little girl at high school the way he acts and holds grudges towards players and Deanna only cares about her stats and getting into the Opals team.

The only players who have a major role with the team that would ACTUALLY want to play for these two coaches would be Mel Moyle and Deanna, everyone else who plays a significant role looks like they can't stand the sight of Joe and Craig and I can't blame them.

As a member and being able to sit in close proximity to the bench, I get to hear quite a bit that goes on and it is completely mind boggling.

A team rundown from my view:

Joe McKay: Running a motion offense (or whatever the hell you're running) that is obviously run to isolate and use a teams dominant players to beat the defender one on one doesn't work! Why? Because you don't have any dominant players that can consistently beat their defenders! So what the end result is, is get the ball to Deanna and watch her dribble too much and shoot a bad, contested 20 foot jump shot.
When you actually ran some offense and set some screens in the 3rd quarter, you went 3 for 3 and got to the foul line... but alas, you went back to the 'Lets watch Deanna shoot' play. Seriously, the other 4 players on the court should be sitting back and sipping on a lovely refreshing alcoholic beverage. It's a team game Joe!

Craig Mansfield: My gosh! As I was told a few weeks ago, you control the subs. Doesn't matter why on earth you even run your team like that, but was that what all the fuss was about when yourself and Joe got in to a shouting match because he wanted to put Emma Lobb in and you didn't? At the time you were down 60. Why on earth wouldn't you play your youngsters when you're getting blown out? You're a tool.. of the highest order.

Deanna Smith: Only cares about her stats, which is not particuarly great coming from a captain. You can say all the right things when you're doing your speeches and interviews, but all I can say is you'd make a good salesperson.

Mel Marsh: The real leader of the team. Please, please, please make her the captain next season. She leads so well.

Kate Malpass: Young up and comer. Give her some time and she'll be fine! But is she a point guard or a shooting guard? Not sure she has the skills (yet) to be the floor general.

Kaye Tucker: Feel sorry for this one. Playing all season as the 4 or 5 when she has never played that position. Has worked her butt off all year and hopefully next season the Lynx 'management' will recruit some big girls to allow her to get back to her natural 3 spot.

Ash Gilmore: Same as Tucker, undersized 5. Does some good work around the basket, nice soft touch. Kudos to you for working your butt off also... but there is only so much one can do.

Mel Moyle: You're 6'1! Get the hell inside and use your height. YOU ARE NOT A POINT GUARD! You and your coaches obviously think you are, but you are not even close!

Rebecca Mercer: 3rd leading scorer yet gets no consistent time. Behind Deanna, she is the only natural offensive threat on the team, yet when the Lynx can't hit water from a boat, there's Rebecca sitting alongside coaches McKay and Mansfield.
Play the girl!

Emma Pass: All heart! If Marsh isn't the captain next season then Emma should be. Only ever hear positive words come out of her mouth. A great team player!

If the Lynx don't shake up this team then I put money on the fact that I won't be the only person not renewing their membership.

[Dunkin' Dan]

If the Lynx don't shake up this team then I put money on the fact that I won't be the only person not renewing their membership.
Well you don't need to worry yourself then. Look at the rosters over the last few years and apart from Marsh, you would not recognise any one year's team from the next. The team is so shaken up it is ridiculous. Who were our prime movers last season? Richards, Wilson, Marsh, Cooke, Haring ... and we pissed all of them off apart from Min, who is just a trooper.

I agree with most of what you say, and I'm a step ahead of you in that this season was the first in a long time that I did not renew as a member.

Having said that, I didn't see this game as I was in Adelaide watching a different Perth basketball team disappoint me, but I think you're overreacting in one area - Deanna Smith. I don't know what she did in this game to upset you so much, but previously I would say she has been anything but selfish. We should have been running stuff for her more, not less, as we aren't exactly blessed with scoring options on this team. From what I've seen she has handled things pretty well.
I'm not privvy to the politics though - I know only what I see and hear for myself on game nights.
If Doc has Opals aspirations - and she should have because she is good enough to be playing for them - then for her own sake she really should get herself back to the eastern states because no achievements for the Lynx will ever be taken very seriously with the state the team is currently in. Why she is here is beyond me, but I certainly appreciate her being here and I truly believe that her presence in the team will have been benefical to some of the girls because (1) she knows what she is doing out on that court, and (2) without her we would be getting blown out even more on a regular basis, and you don't learn anything when you're getting smashed so badly that you're unable to even stick to a game plan.
Aside from that, I think your player summaries are pretty much on the mark. It's not all negative by any stretch. I guess those mismatch issues wouldn't have proved nearly so severe had Boyanich stayed healthy and our import not completely sucked beyond belief. As for Malpass I think she has done ok as a point guard under the circumstances. Seems to me to have the right mentality for the position in terms of seeing the floor and playing a pass-first game.

[WilloWildWaves]

Well that was a verry disapointing effort indeed.Leovia I can see where you may get that impression of Smith but to say she only care's about her stats is going a bit too far, if you have been to every home game you would have noticed on more than a few occasions she has also handed out a handfull of assists or ( trying) to set up shots for her team mates. Sometimes it would seem that she has forgoten her team mates but ( epecialy at times like last night) she would be under a lot of presure being the captain and so called star player. Bottom line she has had some rather average games but also more than a few verry good games, she is a great player and at the end of the day I would rather have her on the team than be playing against her. Also she could have gone to any high paying WNBL team not to mention the big$$ in Europe but she chose to return to Perth and a strugling team, is that being selfish I don't think so :? I do agree about Joe and Craig though, Joe is a nice guy and all but him and Craig together is not working. I think we need to get away from the'"SBL"coaches, unfortunatly I don't think that will happen while BWA are owners

[Rick Morcom]

What a load of crap you speak. Doccy is a true team player who makes a huge effort to involve her team mates. She is a natural leader, leads from the front. To say her own stats are what she is about is garbage. Deanna wants to win, nothing else. WIN. Do not come on here and put people down, unless
1/ You actually know something
2/ Are prepared to identify yourself
I actually happen to know what I say is correct, as I have been involved with Doccy for the past 12 months. So don't put her down without the facts.

[FeelinDaHeat]

That's one hell of a blast Leovia.

I must say that having seen Deanna here in Sydney and watching some games on tv, i think you are being very very harsh. she is the complete package and gets her fair share of assists for a 2-3 man. She would be a priority for any team and yet she decides to go back to perth- showing some loyalty, where she commands the best defender/s from the opposition week in and week out.

consider yourself lucky to have her, she's a great player and i have to disagree... a great leader!!!

[Lukosius]

...( the actual last last one being played in Kal for what ever reason)...
As you should know being an SBL supporter, we draw some of the biggest SBL crowds up here in Kal, and will most likely draw a bigger crowd than if the game was played at Perry Lakes.

[Knighty]

Only Macca could post 0 points in a 72 point rout by the nongers...

[WilloWildWaves]

...( the actual last last one being played in Kal for what ever reason)...
As you should know being an SBL supporter, we draw some of the biggest SBL crowds up here in Kal, and will most likely draw a bigger crowd than if the game was played at Perry Lakes.Iknow, you guys have a verry good suport base for the SBL. I hope they get a good crowd over there and just for the record we get pretty good crowds at Perry Lakes 8)

[madballer]

she is the complete package

FDH I dont know what your definition of a complete package is to you but mine definately has DEFENCE in it...and that is definately not something Smith does. I agree that she only cares about her stats and making a point to the Opals, however in saying that Perth dont have too many other legitamite options so she may aswell hog it.

[Mike]

Joe McKay and Craig Mansfield: You are horrible, horrible coaches.


wooo please i know that was a crap effort but cmon, have u ever been coached by these 2 guys, are u gna say that Woosha is a bad coach because the Eagles had a bad yr last yr, forgetting the fact he led em to the premiership 2 yrs back. please dont say such crap on this forum

[Space man]

Excuse me but i think Leovia is spot on. If Woosha got rid of his top ten players (40% of the list) and then lost by 72 i think people would call him an idiot. Wilson, Richards, Haring, Samuels (4/10) Top 40% of last years team. That was a good move!!

[Leovia]

wooo please i know that was a crap effort but cmon, have u ever been coached by these 2 guys, are u gna say that Woosha is a bad coach because the Eagles had a bad yr last yr, forgetting the fact he led em to the premiership 2 yrs back. please dont say such crap on this forum

Ok, I have calmed down and have realised that I was a bit harsh with the comments on coach Joe. He is by all accounts a very good mens coach, but I feel that he doesn't have the right game plan for the womens game.
And "don't write such crap on this forum"??? Sorry, I didn't know that this forum was different to others where you can't have an opinion. You think he's a good ladies coach, I don't. Differing opinions, no biggie.

And with the comments about Deanna, well it's just a body language thing. I'm no expert on it, but gee I have teenage daughters and I know when there's a bit of bitchiness going on... Have a look, take note and see what you think.

I do believe still, that she shouldn't be the captain. If she is going to be the star player on this team, then let her be and when she is leaving her team mates behind (which she can do) then the captain can pull her into line.

Anyway, I apologise for my brash remarks, I was at the time a very, very disappointed member. However, I don't believe I was wrong with the points I made, just wrong in the way I wrote them down.

[FeelinDaHeat]

she is the complete package

FDH I dont know what your definition of a complete package is to you but mine definately has DEFENCE in it...and that is definately not something Smith does. I agree that she only cares about her stats and making a point to the Opals, however in saying that Perth dont have too many other legitamite options so she may aswell hog it.

Good point madballer, which makes me ponder why you bring it up with regards to Deanna Smith. Move with the times and watch the girl play sometime this year, not from memory 3 years ago perhaps. she is a much better defender and is definitely not a liability on defense. maybe her instant offense has you bamboozled? :wink:

[Mike]

wooo please i know that was a crap effort but cmon, have u ever been coached by these 2 guys, are u gna say that Woosha is a bad coach because the Eagles had a bad yr last yr, forgetting the fact he led em to the premiership 2 yrs back. please dont say such crap on this forum

Ok, I have calmed down and have realised that I was a bit harsh with the comments on coach Joe. He is by all accounts a very good mens coach, but I feel that he doesn't have the right game plan for the womens game.
And "don't write such crap on this forum"??? Sorry, I didn't know that this forum was different to others where you can't have an opinion. You think he's a good ladies coach, I don't. Differing opinions, no biggie.


thats fair enough, but if i went on saying such shit about a former coach of urs and a guy u respect greatly as a coach, im sure u would like to defend him aswell

[RandyOrton]

Mike.

No doubt Joe is a good, if not great, junior boys coach. But he hasn't got the results on the board in 2 years of WNBL, and has resigned after one year of MSBL as well.

[Mike]

im not saying he hasnt been unsuccesful at WNBL Level or at MSBL level (but it was eastern suns we were talking about), but just to say to someone they are a horrible coach is a bit harsh

[RandyOrton]

You dont need to suck up to Joe anymore, Mike. You never did and never will make a state team.

[Mike]

OK deleted, have u ever seen me play? , there is a bunch of SBL and a few AIS that would have rather had me as their team mate on their state teams than some of their other team mates and surprised ive never made a team. I also have won 4 state championships with my team where i was starter and the most recent one i played the whole game and we won by a point. And i actually have played for WA as a squad member in a tournament before nationals. So i would rather be a winner and get peer recognition than some guy on a forum, who's name is one of a WWE wrestler.

So if u dont respect Joe as a coach, thats fine, but I do, so if u wanna disagree with me on that, that's fine, but dont tell me im a crap player, coz unless u've seen everyone of my reps games, i dont care what u think.

[RandyOrton]

Thats funny, i seem to recall you playing for a hawks team at the most recent state champs that got belted by lakeside.. hardly a 1 point win where you played every minute. :?

Also, if you read my post properly, and stopped bignoting yourself to all and sundry, you would understand that I do respect Joe as a coach. A junior boys coach.

[Mike]

Big deal, so we lost a weekend carnival, to a game reffed by the quality that is lakeside refs. with our starting backcourt not playing. So just why were u watching our game? wern't your team good enough to make the final, or do you just make habit going down to junior basketball tournaments and watching all the kiddies run around

[RandyOrton]

But you said this:
I also have won 4 state championships with my team where i was starter and the most recent one i played the whole game and we won by a point.

So which is it?

You lost a 30 minute running clock game by 20, and you blame the refs?

lol

amazing.

So everyone who watches an Under 19 basketball game is there to watch the kiddies?

[Julian]

So just why were u watching our game?
He is a ref.

[Mike]

I owe DD $5 now