T's

Player get 2 Techs.. is he out?

*there was a rule change with this.. what is it?

[revolution]

Not necessarily. The disqualification of a player for multiple technical fouls is left to the referees' discretion.

For example, a player is given a technical foul for "mouthing off" in the first quarter. Later in the match, the same player is given another technical foul for excessively swinging on the ring. Disqualifying the player in this situation would seem heavy-handed.

However, if a player receives a technical foul for throwing the ball at an opponent and another for mouthing off - all within a short timeframe - you could reasonably conclude the match would benefit from the player's exclusion.

That said, article 37.1.2 does state a player is to be disqualified if he is assessed two unsportsmanlike fouls in a match.

Hope this helps ...

cheers..

[the_referee]

A player can get upto 5 technical fouls theres no rule saying you have to disqualify a player after two. If a player mouths off at me and i give him one tech and he continues mouthing off at me ill show him the stadium door. But if i tech him in the first quarter for mouthing off at me and then he mouths of at me again in the fourth quarter i wont get rid off him ill just politley tell him to get out of my face or go :lol:

[revolution]

is there an echo in here? :wink:

[Bobby]

The technical foul rule in FIBA and NBA is designed to prevent illogical disqualifications which can happen in other forms of ball where a player can be disqualified for two (or three) delay of game technical fouls.

There is no reason for a player to be disqualified for three delay of game penalties.

[t_flex101]

On the subject of T's

In our game the other day, a player was teched for slapping the ball away after a call went against us. He was at about the 3 point line when our PG got called for travel (how can you go up for a shot, have the ball stripped with plenty of body contact and the other guy ends up with it before hit the floor with your arse, and still get called for travel?) Anyway he was obviously angry and slapped the ball towards the baseline.

Shouldn't that be a delay of game warning, not an instant T?

[Skindog the Hawk]

Shouldn't that be a delay of game warning, not an instant T?

As with all "T" situations there is no definitive requirement for the referee to give a warning, although it generally does occur.

SD.

[Hogsbreath]

What about Bench T's. The other day in an ABA game the bench was slapped with a T for a player abusing a ref. Then later in the game the Assistant Coach went off and was T'd as well. My understanding is the coach should have been ejected and this was not the case.

[revolution]

The coach the coach is ejected after receiving two personal (C) technical fouls. However, the coach will also be ejected if the bench receives three (both C & B) technical fouls.

In your situation, another bench tech (either C or B) would have seen the coach walk.

[the_referee]

The coach the coach is ejected after receiving two personal (C) technical fouls. However, the coach will also be ejected if the bench receives three (both C & B) technical fouls.

In your situation, another bench tech (either C or B) would have seen the coach walk.

Not neccesarily if the assistant coach recieved a technical foul that would be charged to the assistant coach rather than a bench tech on the coach.

[RandyOrton]

Assistant Coach = bench tech.

speaking of tech's wow, I have had to give out a few lately.. 3 tonite, 3 last night, had a very good partner on thursday night and he took care of them all :P,... Some people really just don't understand do they... how a E grade player can imply he is superior to the referees really astounds me... how can one lack such self awareness...

now im not saying refs are superior to lower grade players, but you would think some common sense, self awareness and decency would be more prominant!!!!

[Btdg]

Its not a matter of superiority though Coach X. Its possible for people to have genuine greivances with referees - through missed calls, or simply because they don't understand the calls given (particularly E-grade). At certain grades a degree of leniency in calls is required (ie travels in E-grade); and if refs don't adjust from the game before that can cause problems. And just because they are E-grade doesn't mean they aren't passionate about their game, and players at all grades will argue even when the ref is right just out of passion/frustration.

I've found that in general refs give a lot more respect to A-grade players than they do the E-grade teams I've coached; in an A-grade game you can talk or argue almost anything, as long as you don't swear or cross a line. At E-grade, open your mouth and get T'ed straight away. Plus refs seem to cruise through E-grade, using it as a break in a heavy schedule, so anything that makes them have to sweat is likely to be frowned upon.

If you can't tell I'm not particularly happy with the standard of reffing my E-graders cop - usually from very good refs...

[Splinters]

Maybe the travel occurred before the contact - in effect the game has now stopped (due to the travel) and the contact while not necessary and unless the refs see it as 'over the top' then it is let go.

On the subject of T's

In our game the other day, a player was teched for slapping the ball away after a call went against us. He was at about the 3 point line when our PG got called for travel (how can you go up for a shot, have the ball stripped with plenty of body contact and the other guy ends up with it before hit the floor with your arse, and still get called for travel?) Anyway he was obviously angry and slapped the ball towards the baseline.

Shouldn't that be a delay of game warning, not an instant T?

Its not a matter of superiority though Coach X. Its possible for people to have genuine greivances with referees - through missed calls, or simply because they don't understand the calls given (particularly E-grade). At certain grades a degree of leniency in calls is required (ie travels in E-grade); and if refs don't adjust from the game before that can cause problems. And just because they are E-grade doesn't mean they aren't passionate about their game, and players at all grades will argue even when the ref is right just out of passion/frustration.

I've found that in general refs give a lot more respect to A-grade players than they do the E-grade teams I've coached; in an A-grade game you can talk or argue almost anything, as long as you don't swear or cross a line. At E-grade, open your mouth and get T'ed straight away. Plus refs seem to cruise through E-grade, using it as a break in a heavy schedule, so anything that makes them have to sweat is likely to be frowned upon.

If you can't tell I'm not particularly happy with the standard of reffing my E-graders cop - usually from very good refs...

of course players at every age and grade will disagree with decisons... however how people express those disagreements is terrible!!!! watching a game of e grade last week as a coach who stood on the sideline all night and did nothing (no time outs, they ha no subs) but disagree with referees calls and tell the ref he has no idea how to referee is just tupid however... how can someone be so stupid as to do that?

[revolution]

Sounds like you are back reffing at Dandenong Coach X .... if so, welcome back. I hope to see you around the traps.

[Ups]

I got 1 tonight! :( Everyone was up the other end on the court and I jumped up a graped the ring 2 handed reverse style, the let go and it made a snap and the old female Ref called a T on me, she didn't see it at all and called a T on me for pulling the net!

So flamming inconsistant Refs just piss me off, other guys on the other team did it aswell but nothing and she gave some players T's for swearing and not others! :evil:


ps. We lost by 1 point, but that doesn't worry me at all! :|

[Demented Referee]

The coach the coach is ejected after receiving two personal (C) technical fouls. However, the coach will also be ejected if the bench receives three (both C & B) technical fouls.

In your situation, another bench tech (either C or B) would have seen the coach walk.

Not neccesarily if the assistant coach recieved a technical foul that would be charged to the assistant coach rather than a bench tech on the coach.

No the coach wears all the techs until he is gone then the A starts accruing