SEABL Women

[dribbles]

Has gone back to Nunawading after a season of WNBL at Dandenong.I think she pulled the pin there as well.Apparently Very difficult to fit into the established program...lol

Thats a shame she looked like a quality player that fitted in well with the team dynamic. I am sure the Knox girls will miss her valuable contribution. A major loss for Heath Anderson can she be replaced? If I was Heath I would call Lauren Jackson to see if she is available for the Knox roster in the absence of Caitlin.

[smittys07]

Thats a shame she looked like a quality player that fitted in well with the team dynamic. I am sure the Knox girls will miss her valuable contribution. A major loss for Heath Anderson can she be replaced? If I was Heath I would call Lauren Jackson to see if she is available for the Knox roster in the absence of Caitlin.

Just the tiniest hint of sarcasm there ...

[dribbles]

I was quite surprised to see Elli Lovelace playing for Frankston against Knox last weekend considering she was an integral part of the team last season. It must be very disappointing for the supporters, as players of the calibre of Cunningham and Lovelace departing can de-stabilise a team.

[Melb Wildcat]

Do you think Lovelace might of left to get more court time with a team with less talent? She is getting nearly 40 minutes a game this season so far, well up from her few minutes on court with Knox playing behind Graham and Tan.

Why the Knox hate?

[DiggyDawg]

Thats a shame she looked like a quality player that fitted in well with the team dynamic. I am sure the Knox girls will miss her valuable contribution. A major loss for Heath Anderson can she be replaced? If I was Heath I would call Lauren Jackson to see if she is available for the Knox roster in the absence of Caitlin.

Pretty sure he wouldnt be worrying about losing her at all, I would much rather have Denson on my team any day than Cunningham:D

Lizzie C to go for the scoring record this weekend V Hobart?? What is it? And who is the current holder anyone?

[DiggyDawg]

I managed to find the record holder for points and coincidently it is a Legend of the Tornadoes Mandy Bonney in 1995 Vs Illawarra and it was 59! Does Cambage have a chance of passing this 15yo record??

[upnorth]

Well she has 8 minutes less to do it in

[DiggyDawg]

I have a feeling she may just its only 12 to equal or 13 to break on top of what she scored against Dandy and she sat for a bit in that game! It would be an amzing performance if she could even if they are only playing Hobart!

[dribbles]

Do you think Lovelace might of left to get more court time with a team with less talent? She is getting nearly 40 minutes a game this season so far, well up from her few minutes on court with Knox playing behind Graham and Tan.

Why the Knox hate?

Sorry no Knox hate here. Just very disapointed as I spent $150 on my membership and wasn't aware that my 2 favourite players weren't playing. Had I been advised earlier, I might have paid $300 for it!
Pity for Lovelace as Graham is on one leg and Tan is going to QLD!

[Melb Wildcat]

$150 is enough to get a family membership at Knox.

Lovelace was a servicable player for Knox but no matter what, she was never going to get good minutes there. Im sure she would love to be playing for Knox but the opportunities for big minutes were with Frankston. She can develop her game more with bigger minutes which will be very valuable to her in the long run.

[dribbles]

$150 is enough to get a family membership at Knox.

Lovelace was a servicable player for Knox but no matter what, she was never going to get good minutes there. Im sure she would love to be playing for Knox but the opportunities for big minutes were with Frankston. She can develop her game more with bigger minutes which will be very valuable to her in the long run.

I would say Lovelace was more than serviceable according to the Knox press releases last year.

[dribbles]

I would say Lovelace was more than serviceable according to the Knox press releases last year.

Just for the record I played for the drifters in 87 and recently participated in the Brian goorjan coaching clinic, therefore making me a subject matter expert.

[MrCoachman]

a number of players appear to have left Knox after a some what successful season - could it be the coaching? The loss of Cunningham should be covered with the pick up of Denson but is it enough to carry injury plagued Fryters?

[jsballer]

Denson is a great addition to the Lady Raiders. Think they need another big still as Fryters is definitely injury prone. Her performance in last seasons Grand Final at the Aquatic Centre was very ordinary. One still wonders why after not playing for nearly two months she came in on the big day straight into the starting five and could barely move in the warm-up. Brisbane exploited her on the baseline massively.

[dribbles]

Denson is a great addition to the Lady Raiders. Think they need another big still as Fryters is definitely injury prone. Her performance in last seasons Grand Final at the Aquatic Centre was very ordinary. One still wonders why after not playing for nearly two months she came in on the big day straight into the starting five and could barely move in the warm-up. Brisbane exploited her on the baseline massively.

Are you serious about Fryters she is the Jimmy Stynes of the SEABL durable and reliable. I am pretty sure she was in Courage under fire with Denzel after playing with a mangled ankle in the GF. Robert Doyle (Melbourn Lord Mayor) was so impressed that asked her to be the Moomba monarch at this years Moomba festival, but she declined due to Basketball committments.

[smittys07]

Are you serious about Fryters she is the Jimmy Stynes of the SEABL durable and reliable. I am pretty sure she was in Courage under fire with Denzel after playing with a mangled ankle in the GF. Robert Doyle (Melbourn Lord Mayor) was so impressed that asked her to be the Moomba monarch at this years Moomba festival, but she declined due to Basketball committments.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA stop it!

...

No, seriously, stop it.

[dribbles]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA stop it!

...

No, seriously, stop it.

As per my previous post played for the drifters in 87, brian goorjan coaching clinic and watched the harlem globetrotters on gilligans island. That's my street cred. I am the voice of reason I can't stop I won't be silenced.

[The Professor]

I have watched the Knox Raiders over the last couple of weeks and have been dissapointed that i havent seen last years superstar Caitlin Cunningham in action. Can someone please tell me where she is playing and how she is going?

Coach's comments in the Nuna progamme for last week's game against Brisbane reports that Cunnigham is in the US on vacation and will miss a few weeks of the season

[dribbles]

Coach's comments in the Nuna progamme for last week's game against Brisbane reports that Cunnigham is in the US on vacation and will miss a few weeks of the season

Thanks for the info. Is she trying out for a WNBA team?

[The Professor]

Thanks for the info. Is she trying out for a WNBA team?

Don't know - got the impression she is expected to return, however.

[Melb Wildcat]

Yeah dribbles she is trying out for a WNBA team after not being able to make a WNBL team.

[opalswatcher]

Sorry no Knox hate here. Just very disapointed as I spent $150 on my membership and wasn't aware that my 2 favourite players weren't playing. Had I been advised earlier, I might have paid $300 for it!
Pity for Lovelace as Graham is on one leg and Tan is going to QLD!

Where is Tan going? Also graham? are they back after the break to play??

[patm]

...I spent $150 on my membership...
You must be a busy person with a partner and 5 kids ;)
It's no wonder you have such a fine sense of humour.

[patm]

Where is Tan going? Also graham? are they back after the break to play??
Tan has been playing and training all along - up until a few days ago anyway in the scratch match against the U18G Vic Metro - wasn't aware she was moving on.

[dribbles]

You must be a busy person with a partner and 5 kids ;)
It's no wonder you have such a fine sense of humour.

Nearly spot on patm. I have no partner and six kids and just about to finish high school. Tan definately goin to qld in a few weeks when Graham comes back to play. I think Cunningham would be well suited to wnba because you don't have to bounce the ball when you move.

[patm]

Tan definately goin to qld in a few weeks when Graham comes back to play.
So I suppose that explains why she looks so chunky this year. But she has lost none of her ability to read the play. Thems big shoes for Sarah Graham to fill.

[DiggyDawg]

Big Win by Launceston today with no Cambage! And Kern for Hobart hear shes Price's girlfriend but is she any good??? Anyone know anything about her??

[dribbles]

So I suppose that explains why she looks so chunky this year. But she has lost none of her ability to read the play. Thems big shoes for Sarah Graham to fill.

I dont think you are taking this forum seriously, it is for constructive comments indepth analysis and peoples free speech, you have taken liberties in this area as its not America's next Top Model.

mod note - leave the moderating for the mods. If you have an issue with a post, then report it using the report button

[opalswatcher]

Lets relax ladies and comment on the game. Cambage was going to europe and now isnt.

Look out league she is here for the whole season!!

[smittys07]

Lets relax ladies and comment on the game. Cambage was going to europe and now isnt.
Look out league she is here for the whole season!!

Except for those pesky Opals camps in May and June and the bothersome tour of China and overseas Opals camp in July.

[patm]

I dont think you are taking this forum seriously ...
Clearly an error in judgement on my part for engaging you. I shall retreat from my mistake and apologise for the inconvenience.

[patm]

Lets relax ladies and comment on the game...
Good on you.
Maybe we can't all reach your own lofty heights ;)

[Melb Wildcat]

Hobart girls team must be close to being the worst team ever to play in the SEABL. I knew they would be bad, but they are just very very bad.

Good to have SEABL back this week!

[bandwagon_jumper]

Do you not remember when Albury first came into the league. I recall a couple of 70-80 point loses to them.

Hobart are going to see a 30+ point margin in many of their games I think.

I little scary that Launceston didn't miss a beat with Cambage out for a game.

[Melb Wildcat]

Take away the imports for Hobart and I think we would already have a 100 point thrashing lol.

[The Jooce Caboose]

Dribbles i am a fan. You seem to know your stuff.
I think Knox will be very strong again this year and the loses of a couple of players will not make a big difference to the team.
The players respond well to Heath Anderson who is able to get the most out of his players. It is clear they have enormous respect for him and his committment to Knox and the program cannot be disputed.

[The Jooce Caboose]

Hobart should think about dumping there team in the James Boag's river as suggested in the commercial and see how much they improve.

[bandwagon_jumper]

The thing is Melb Wildcat is that they do have imports in Hobart. The right ones ??? I doubt it. There have been a few teams over the years that have been very average, but like Albury, Hobart will improve for 2011.

Knox has a good set up for senior basketball and if they can get Graham fit, then they will be a real danger. Without her fit they will need Fryters, Smith, Sinclair, Keane to step up and help Denson in the scoring department.

[smittys07]

So why did Cambage miss the game?

EDIT: OK, she had been cleared to play for an Italian team, but then the deal fell through. Her clearance back to Launceston didn't go through in time so she sat out.
Does anyone know which Italian team?
Oh, and apparently she's told the Tornadoes that she won't be playing SEABL from June onwards.

[cheapseats]

No idea on cambage no show. Save themselves some $$$ on flights maybe as she was hardly needed against Hobart.

Big games this weekend and we will soon see where several of the teams sit in the bigger picture.

Knox to beat D'nong by 7
Ballarat to beat Albury by 3
Bendigo to beat Knox by 4 in game of the round (too many injuries for knox)
Kilsyth to beat Frankston by 25
Albury to beat Nunawading by 8
Launceston to beat Brisbane by 17
Brisbane to beat Hobart by 28
Ballarat to beat Sandringham by 9

[opalswatcher]

cheapseats. who you think will be the top 4?

Your tips are interesting. I like!!!

[Melb Wildcat]

I think Nunawading should beat Albury. Albury play the night before and then have to travel up the next day. Nunawading have had a tough start to the season as well. Id say Nunawading will win by 12 points.

Apart from that I think cheapseats is pretty close with the tips.

[cheapseats]

in no real order
Launceston, Bendigo, Knox I think are ahead of the pack
Ballarat, Kilsyth under those with opals commitments playing a big role in final finishing positions
Albury, Nunawading, Dandenong and Brisbane behind them
Sandringham in limbo
and sorry but Frankston and Hobart a long way off the mark.

[bandwagon_jumper]

Brisbane will need to win all their home games to go close to top four. They do get help up there though

[bandwagon_jumper]

What happened to Knox last night ????? Looks like Denson had a good game but lacked friends on the night. Now Bendigo game is a must win for them.

Dandenong must have played very well to get the W

[The Jooce Caboose]

Dribbles where are you? What a game last night knox and Bendigo two point win fantastic effort.

[bandwagon_jumper]

I also watched the Knox and Bendigo game. Exciting game that went down to the wire. Denson has really given Knox that extra scoring punch while Graham is on the mend. When they sort out their game a little more they will be tough to beat. Currently it always looks like three players are on one game plan and the other two or on a different one.
Bendigo have got the players but the defensive side of their game could do with just a bit of work. Haring impressive at the offesnive end.

[dribbles]

Dribbles where are you? What a game last night knox and Bendigo two point win fantastic effort.

Guess who's back, back again, tell a friend. Must agree with you Knox played a magnificent game and got up in a tight torrid affair. Denson was getting them in the basket from Boronia Train Station. Look out Brisbane. Reminds me of my debut year go Drifters 87.

[DiggyDawg]

Opals camp dates change again, all Opals squad players available for finals!!!does this make a difference to peoples top 4 teams & who might win the championship this year?

Tips for this week:

Sabres to smash Chargers by 30 Camino, Francis & Hunt to tear them apart
Rangers to beat Blues by 17
Cobras to beat Pioneers by 11
Raiders to beat Spartans by 15 Schatz a HUGE loss for Spartans
Tornadoes to beat Sabres by 11 Torns will come to play after last week
Pioneers to beat the Blues by 27
Miners to beat Spectres by 13 Ashby quite last week expect a big one from her!!

[Melb Wildcat]

When did the Pioneers get a female team?

[cheapseats]

Lori's Lightning over Hobart by 37
Dandenong over Frankston by 19
Bendigo to big for Kilsyth by 5
Knox over Brisbane by 9
Launceston allstars over Lori's Lightning by 15
Ballarat over Nunawading by 4
Bendigo over Frankston (welcome back Lukas) by 27

[patm]

All pioneers were sort of brave though

[bandwagon_jumper]

Some good games this week. I like the Bendigo V Kilsyth game as the game of the round with Brisbane and Knox a close second. Just hope the officials up north dont have too much say on the outcome of this game.
The other game that will be interesting will be Ballarat and Nunawading. Both teams will be locked into a battle to play finals.

[opalswatcher]

Knox and Bendigo better play some defence this weekend or Brisbane and Kilsyth will blow them off the court!

[patm]

Didn't Knox play defence against Bendigo :confused:
Or did the Braves just hand them the game?

[DiggyDawg]

When did the Pioneers get a female team?

Whoooppps my bad!

[bandwagon_jumper]

Nunawading and Knox continue to disappoint with their results. Couple of teams facing big games this weekend this keep them in finals contention.

[Swish83]

Dombkins goes 2-22 from the field. How is that even possible??? You throw up 22 shots (17 of those inside the 3 point line) and only hit TWO? Wow. She should get player of the week, that's an amazing effort!

[patm]

Has somebody just decided they can't actually shoot that well? :D

[Swish83]

Has somebody just decided they can't actually shoot that well? :D

That's what makes it so amazing - she's a great shooter! And still goes 2-22. Was she drunk?

[cheapseats]

that would take some skill swish.

this rounds tips (Opals camp on)
Albury over Smithless Cobras by 6
Brisbane over a very average Frankston by 29
Inconsistent Knox over Sandringham by 12
Ballarat over the Sorry Spooks by 18
Big Bad Bendigo over the Nongers by 16
Cambageless Launceston over Hobart by 31

[Melb Wildcat]

I think Lady Cobras will beat the Bandits. I think they might be a little bit too big with Manou and Kunek inside. The Lady Cobras have had a few of their bench players step up this season as well. The walbutton/manou match-up will be great to watch though. Id also like to see Moffat and Edmonson matched up together.

I think albury's biggest problem is scoring power. If you stop both Walbutton and edmonson they have very little offence left (especially with Duck gone).

The PG match-up of Collins/O'shea will be also interesting. Two young players getting decent minutes this season.

[opalswatcher]

I reckon the Cobras will beat Albury too but i also think that the rangers will beat Bendigo. To much athleticism.

[Melb Wildcat]

Rangers are like a box of chocolates, you never know what your going to get.

They have heaps of WNBL players on their list so they should always be competitve but lack an overall 'star player'.

I still think Bendigo will win, but could be very close.

[bandwagon_jumper]

I am sure you dont believe that Bendigo will get rolled by Dandenong Opalswatcher. I am tipping Bendigo

I think Kilsyth should beat Albury, but they have in the past two seasons to lift a cog at home. Close one.

Sandringham and Knox will be the close one with both teams very up and down with their form.

[opalswatcher]

bandwagon my friend i missed the result who won out of Bendigo or Dandenong? haha

[bandwagon_jumper]

well if they keep giving up 80+ points a game they will lose often. Blame the coach for not teaching any D ha ha ha ha

[opalswatcher]

Great point mate!! Hope he reads this.

Funny stuff!

[bandwagon_jumper]

Couple of really big games this weekend.

D-less Bendigo must beat the disappointing Nunawading to keep in touch with top four teams

Launceston and Dandenong game now has some interest with the Nongers getting a couple of wins of late

Albury weekend of Brosbane at home and Ballarat away might spell the end of their season with a pair of loses.

Sandringham and Kilsyth game could also be interesting.

[cheapseats]

Some close ones this week, my tips are

Brisbane over Albury by 7
Ballarat to make it a real bad weekend for Albury winning by 13
Kilsyth over Sandringham as Francis looks like she could care less. 8
Dandenong over Hobart by 22
Bendigo over Nunawading in a shootout by 5
Knox over a terrible Frankston by 20
Launceston to end Dandenongs run. 14

Question for all you hoopsters. Who has the best venue for both players and fans ?

[bandwagon_jumper]

I would say that best places for me would be Launceston or Ballarat. Helped by good crowds

[patm]

Yeah I'll have a crack at that. I haven't strayed too far from home, but from what I have seen;

- Dandenong should be the best with those 2 stands - but it lacks atmosphere - like the club generally - as I've said before, it's run more like a business than a club - it has never seemed to me to be a happy place at any time, even before the dark times, before the emporer - and losing peter pissercoff has done nothing to help their cause - and what about the corporate boxes this year, only 1, bet they miss their pushed out marketing manager that used to have 8 filled - but I must say I love the bar overlooking the court, although the view could be better, but after the 2nd one it doesn't seem to matter so much

- Frankston I don't like much as a venue - bugger all seating - not sure if it's because I hate those who run it so much that I am poisoned to it - but I reckon it's got the Beverly Hill Billies feel to it, like how the place is run generally - unprofessional

- While not the best venue, a bit of a rabbit warren, the announcing can be pretty bad and there is NO BAR courtside, I like Knox the best as it has the best atmosphere - I reckon that is a reflection of the club generally and their very large and successful domestic competition - people don't just go down for their game, they often watch the one before and after - some kids spend their whole day at the stadium on Saturdays - I think that flows on to watching their SEABL team - it's worth the drive

- I don't like Sandringham at all - doesn't suit my vertigo one little bit - I could go on - even the chips are bad - and everything is very very expensive

- Nunawading is again too small, too OLD and has no atmosphere

- I haven't been to Ballarat for a seabl game but it does seem to lack seating and has that OLD feel to it - however the full court length bar is magnificent - it's just a pity about the drive home afterwards

[opalswatcher]

Zavecz to sign with Kilsyth before the end of the week to take the last restricted position.

WOW.

[nomad]

The replay of Sat night's match is up on SEABL - click on Courtlive link

[bandwagon_jumper]

If Kilsyth's latest recruiting is true, then they are now surely clear cut favourites. They have recruited four very strong players to go with the local talent. They will take some beating I would think.

[Melb Wildcat]

Kilsyth doing extrememly well so far. Jordan Oshea has done an amazing job in her first year running the team at pg. Must be close to best 1st year player who hasnt played at this standard before? Her stats in SEABL are almsot better than her D-League stats. Also shooting at a very good 46% fg which is great for female basketball.

Moffat has also been good. Wouldnt be surprised to see some WNBL teams have a look at her soon although could lack size in WNBL.

Dandenong looking very good. I might of under-rated them but now think they are legit contenders. What has happended to Probst though? Seems to be struggling for minutes and just 4pts/3rbs a game on season. Injured?

papavs gets player of the week for Dandenongs wins in Tassie. A bit surprised Cambage, Smith or Jarry didnt get player of the week. They are probably sick of giving it to Cambage though is my guess and they lost.

[bandwagon_jumper]

Jarry was without doubt player of the week. But understand teh SEABL wanting to share it about a bit. Dandenong have been doing well and Papavs had a good weekend.

Jordy O'Shea has been very good to date. Moffatt has certainly stepped up again this season after putting in a couple of good seasons previously. New player to the mix will see a few minor changes but still now rate Kilsyth as the premiership favourites.

[cheapseats]

tips

Launceston to beat Knox by 11. Knox just hard to tip this year
Spooks to beat the Bandits by 4
Ballarat over Frankston like everyone else this season. by 19
Brisbane to beat Bendigo in game of the round by 3
Dandenong to beat an uninterested Sandringham by 16
Knox to beat Hobart by 26 - Welcome back Denson
Dandenong to continue Frankstons pain by 15
Kilsyth to beat Ballarat by 14

[Melb Wildcat]

I agree with all cheapseats tips. Except i think Knox will destroy Hobart by 45!

[DiggyDawg]

Is Fryters travelling to Tassie??? What is her injury??


Even though Papavs was solid I think Steph Cumming was hard done by & was player of the week with 2 really solid games! 26pts, 4Assts, 2Stls, & 15pts 2Assts, 5Rbds!

[smittys07]

Even though Papavs was solid I think Steph Cumming was hard done by & was player of the week with 2 really solid games! 26pts, 4Assts, 2Stls, & 15pts 2Assts, 5Rbds!

Disagree. Papavs did a stellar defensive job on Glaubitz, which went a long way to them knocking off the Torns. Steph had a good weekend, no doubt, but the game is played at both ends of the court and it was great to see a defensive job like that recognised.

[Melb Wildcat]

Quincy Henderson should win player of the week nearly every week in the mens now that the SEABL have decided to recognise defence.

[smittys07]

Quincy Henderson should win player of the week nearly every week in the mens now that the SEABL have decided to recognise defence.

Yeah, that's what I meant.

[opalswatcher]

Ouch - in comes zav and out goes a win!!

Bet the club must be proud as to how the ex coach is really fostering the juniors.

(Is that a tongue stuck in my cheek? - My bad!)

[bandwagon_jumper]

Just when I am about about to give Dandneong their first big pat on the back for the year, they almost drop a game to Frankston ??? What is with that ?

Launceston back on the winners list in a big way.

Ballarat are about to make Karen Ashby the mayor. Comes back after a baby and bang!!!! they are back in business with a win over the premeirship favourites Kilsyth.

What is going on at Knox ?? Constantly injured for the past two seasons ??? Fitness staff what are you doing there ??

Jarry P.O.W for me.

[Melb Wildcat]

As Ive said Dandenong are like a box of chocolates and you never know what your going to get. Last week they beat probably the best team in the league and this week nearly lose to Frankston! They do seem to have been under-rated though from what people (including me) were saying at the start of the season. I guess with 6 WNBL players they will always be good on their day.

Surprised the Cobras lost this week with Zavecz playing. Once they gel they will be very hard to beat. Cobras have had a few juniors step up this season with OShea and Moffat getting good minutes and both have been very good. Not a bad effort with a couple of juniors leaving in the off-season.

Albury once again struggled with height against a big Nunawading team, but a big offensive game for Stevens with 13pts. I think that must be a career high for her? Good to see a few of the local girls for Albury get points. Albury's lack of height against Tolo and Cunningham probably cost them being outrebounded 42 - 22. Coach might need to find another tall girl in the off-season i think.

[velvet Sledgehammer]

Just when I am about about to give Dandneong their first big pat on the back for the year, they almost drop a game to Frankston ??? What is with that ?

Launceston back on the winners list in a big way.

Ballarat are about to make Karen Ashby the mayor. Comes back after a baby and bang!!!! they are back in business with a win over the premeirship favourites Kilsyth.

What is going on at Knox ?? Constantly injured for the past two seasons ??? Fitness staff what are you doing there ??

Jarry P.O.W for me.

Overtrained?.professional conditioning staff?,Part time Physios?.....or recruitment of injured players who have no desperation to return to the court?

[bandwagon_jumper]

That is a good question Velvet.

Word is Duck returning to the court this weekend for the Bandits. Will certainly help them out.

[bambam33]

The word is wrong my friend ...

Not until AT LEAST next week, if not later.
She is in Albury however but still needs to be registered and begin training.
Soon, grasshopper, soon.

[opalswatcher]

Please she will be playing vs Bendigo this week. the coach made sure she was back to play against their strong guard rotation.

Everyone knows it.

[bandwagon_jumper]

I am sure the coach of Bendigo is smart enough to prepare his team as though Duck were playing in this one.

[bambam33]

If I have egg on my face by Sunday, so be it but ...

http://www.bordermail.com.au/news/local/sport/basketball/its-duck-season/1829132.aspx

Lady Bandits coach Ken Kereama said he would welcome Duck back with open arms but tempered his enthusiasm by saying she would have to earn her spot on the team at training over the next couple of weeks.
“She has to earn her way back, there’s always a singlet waiting here for her but she has to earn it,” Kereama said.
“She’ll have to work her way through over the next couple of weeks, she has to feel comfortable as well and it’s a matter of putting in the time, because all the other girls have been putting in the time too.

[bandwagon_jumper]

That is great news for Albury having her back.

[opalswatcher]

Is he smart enough bandwagon jumper?

She will play.

[smittys07]

She will play.

So essentially, you're calling the coach a liar. Interesting.
Given they haven't registered her, how do you expect her to take the court?

[DiggyDawg]

Soooo Ofsoski back for Frankston!! Was she not retired?? They do really need her!! Only thing that is saving Dombkins is her free throw shooting, IMO :eek:

[bambam33]

She will play.

http://www.fibalivestats.com/matches/10/01/63/07/56GN2hnphqVwA/

Like I said, no she won't.

If you've got any solid facts on where LeBron will play next year, please post them so I can dismiss that team immediately. :)

[smittys07]

http://www.fibalivestats.com/matches/10/01/63/07/56GN2hnphqVwA/

Like I said, no she won't.

If you've got any solid facts on where LeBron will play next year, please post them so I can dismiss that team immediately. :)

:)
The silence from both opalswatcher and bandwagonjumper is quite loud, almost deafening.

[opalswatcher]

well done. she didnt play. Was registered but didnt play.

You two are my heroes!

[smittys07]

well done. she didnt play. Was registered but didnt play.

You two are my heroes!

When was she registered? As of Friday at 5pm she wasn't.
You were adamant that she'd play - even after the coach said she wouldn't - and then wonder why people question your credibility.
Don't make statements you can't back up with hard facts.

[opalswatcher]

check ur facts mate.

[smittys07]

check ur facts mate.

In what way? If she's been registered since 5pm Friday, then fine, I'll happily admit I was wrong.
Is that what you're saying? That she was registered on Saturday?

[bandwagon_jumper]

Little look at the weekend games

Sandringham caused the upset of the round beating Ballarat. Knox back on the winners list in a big way smacking Albury. Launceston two good wins but still a bit Cambage focused for me.
Think Albury are gone from finals race, these two loses hurt them.

[smittys07]

Think Albury are gone from finals race, these two loses hurt them.
Yep, agree. They're not flying under the radar this year, teams know what to look for and how to exploit them now. Duck will help but they really need another quality big.

[bandwagon_jumper]

Agreed Smittys07, Duck will help, and like most teams they require one more player of size.

The thing I picked up over the season to date is while the league is stronger on paper, there are very few teams that have good chemistry. Very few are playing as a team at this stage of the season, although I have not seen every team play this year yet. Is it just me or do others get that feeling as well ?

[smittys07]

check ur facts mate.

Her rego form arrived at the SEABL office this morning.
Anything else you want me to check?

[Melb Wildcat]

Is Duck going back to college in the US next season? Why doesnt playing in the SEABL (profesional league) affect her college amatuer status or is it diferent in the womens league.

Im not too of of the rule. Im basically asking why can Duck play ncaa but ben healey had to play ncai or something?

[smittys07]

Is Duck going back to college in the US next season? Why doesnt playing in the SEABL (profesional league) affect her college amatuer status or is it diferent in the womens league.

Im not too of of the rule. Im basically asking why can Duck play ncaa but ben healey had to play ncai or something?

The rules have been changed quite recently allowing college players to come back and play for their SEABL teams without affecting their eligibility, I think Ballarat had a couple of male players able to play because of this rule change? I'm not 100% sure on that either.

But in Ducky's case, it's a moot point anyway, as she has decided not to go back to Murray State.

[Showtime_Basketball]

MW and Smitty - you guys are sort of on the right track.
The NCAA rules did change a few months back, but if Duck plays SEABL she can NOT go back and play at Murray State.

The new rule allows players to play in ANY LEAGUE so long as they are not paid BEFORE they go to college. The only catch is that you must go to college with 12 months of finishing school (the 12 mth rule will not come into effect until 2011).
Players who are already at NCAA Division I programs can only play in CERTIFIED summer leagues. The SEABL is not NCAA certified, there are no certified summer leagues in Australia.
For NCAA Div II players they can play so long as nobody gets paid in their team and they have their college coaches approval. Hope this helps.

MW - Ben Healy is playing for the University of Mobile - it is an NAIA school. It was the only level he could play as he had played SEABL which back then made him ineligible for NCAA schools.

[opalswatcher]

Thanks

I noticed that Carly Chatfield, Yana Dellevedova both played in the last couple of weeks and both want to go to college. how does that work?

[Showtime_Basketball]

So long as they weren't paid they will both be fine to go to college.

[bandwagon_jumper]

An interesting round of games.

Nunawading would be the biggest disappointment of the season. How are they not winning a few games ?

Ballarat drop a game where they were in front which was unusual, then smack Bendigo who keep giving up big scores.

Launceston are proving to be anything but unbeatable. Dropped more games on their home court than on the road.

Of course the Duck is back much to Albury's delight.

Brisbane keep pumping out the home wins

[bandwagon_jumper]

Can someone please explain to me how Brisbane can suit up Veal (logan captain and plenty of minutes) Purcell (NZ international player) and now Randall (ex Opal and played in France) ?????????

[The Professor]

Spectres coach tells the local press: I don't know what's wrong with 'em

http://whitehorse-leader.whereilive.com.au/sport/story/spectres-shocker-against-brisbane/

[ghost who walks]

Have seen and read the article and nothing of the sort was said - what it reads to me is - something like that they weren't ready for the physical contest and with such a young group - seem to struggle when the other team's intensity lifts. You cant buy experience in this league and they dont have enough. Bottom line!

[bandwagon_jumper]

How could you go to Brisbane and not think it is going to be a physical contest ??? No word form anyone yet on how they get to play Veal, Percell and Randall ? Maybe Percell is no longer a NZ national player.

Make or break weekend for Bendigo this weekend with Launceston and Kilsyth.

[Melb Wildcat]

I thought New Zealand players were classified as imports in the league whether they play for the national team or not (Edmondson). SEABL keep having exceptions to the rule every season so hard to keep up with the current rule. Could she of got Australian citizenship?

[bandwagon_jumper]

This weekend will be a good test of some teams depth (local and recruited) of talent with the Opals squad members all away.

Maybe an upset or two in the making.

[Melb Wildcat]

Saw the Cobras vs Bandits game on saturday night. I expected the game to be pretty close with the Cobras without their Opal players (Smith and Zavecz). However the Cobras kind of jumped them early in the 1st quarter and led 28 to 15 at the 1st change.

walbutton and Manou both got into early foul trouble but this impacted on Albury much more as they had no real size left once Walbutton had to sit. The undersized bandits were always going to struggle against kunek and moffat after this, but the cobras also had a couple of players step up in the absence of the opal players.

Turnovers and lack of height (which led to fouls/free throws) is what hurt the bandits in the end. Cobras made the bandits pay for their turnovers as well. Duck still looks a few weeks away from getting back to her best, but i thought stevens has really stepped up this season and had a good game (8 pts/4rbs) and did a great job on defence as well against Oshea.

Moffat with 18 points (8/12fg) 6 rbs 2 stls was my game MVP. She just keeps quietly putting up some good numbers this season. The best for Albury was probably Edmondson who played hard in big minutes for the game.

Bandits really need a 2nd quality big player (which has been said before) to help Walbutton. Against teams like the Cobras who have bigs suh as manou, Kunek, Moffat and Opals reps they are always going to struggle. Im not too sure how they can solve this unless they use a restricted spot on one next season.

[smittys07]

Good match review MW, Albury sorely missed Emma Mahady who was in Sydney with junior commitments. Add her back in along with the returning Holly Bawden and they're a little bigger but yeah, they really need another WNBL-quality big.

[bandwagon_jumper]

Think Albury may need to look at changing a few things for 2011 on their player list. They ceratinly need another big, but they may have to go have two restricted bigger bodies if need be.

Knox was the massive winner out of the weekend. They are all over the place this season and each time I see them they look very sore and fatigued. But two wins over two good opponents see's them move up to fifth.

Dandenong keep proving me wrong as they have become a very good team under Larissa. Worthy coach of the year.

Bendigo let a great chance slip against Launceston. They need to turn things around as they dont want to miss finals.

[Melb Wildcat]

I must agree that Dandenong do look very good. The additions of Cumming, Papavs and Terdich on last years team has really made them a good team. Will be hard to beat with 5 WNBL players.

Good to see caitlin Cunningham have a good game with 22pts and 10 rbs for nunawading too in the absence of tolo and wilson. If she can put up a few more games like that could have some wnbl teams looking at her.

[outer east]

Anyone provide details of last nights game between Kilsyth and Japan?

[bandwagon_jumper]

Japan by 23 or 25 so I am told.

Cunningham has just about burnt herself with WNBL clubs I would think. Brave coach to take her on when some of the country's best have shown her the door.

[mama k]

If she can put up a few more games like that could have some wnbl teams looking at her.

MW, which WNBL team would look at her given her previous performances in that league to date??

[Melb Wildcat]

Perth Lynx (or whatever they are going to be called) :D. Maybe Logan.

Not too sure but you also cannot teach height. Should be given another chance but not too sure who with.

[bandwagon_jumper]

No player of the week last week for the women but Denson 21 & 20 worth mention.

Huge game this weekend for Kilsyth minus one of their recruits in Zavec and a red hot Dandenong. Papavs Vs some of her old team mates and old club.

Did anyone work out how Brisbane get to play Purcell, Veal and Randall in the same team ????

[Melb Wildcat]

Denson must be close to an WNBL contract? Ive seen a lot of imports who are no where near her.

I also hope Kilsyth smash the Dandy Caravan this week! :D

[opalswatcher]

Denson to sign at Dandenong

[bandwagon_jumper]

I doubt that very much. Money spent elsewhere I reckon

[cheapseats]

Dandenong proving many people wrong this season. Well done to Larissa Anderson great job. Less talent than last season on paper but getting more out of the playing roster

[Melb Wildcat]

I don't think Dandenong have less talent than last season. They gained Cumming, Terdich and Papavs on last seasons team. I didnt expect them to be doing this good though. They really only lost Penaluna on last seasons team that I recall.

[bandwagon_jumper]

Dandenong have lost Moody, Myer, Penaluna and Hunt so that is a bit to drop from a line up. Gains were Terdich, Cummings, Papav and Anderson.

[smittys07]

They really only lost Penaluna on last seasons team that I recall.

Megan Moody? And she was their leading scorer.

EDIT: Sorry, duplicated post.

[Melb Wildcat]

Yeah i forgot about Moody.

Even so I think with their additions (Terdich, Papavs and Cumming) they have not lost much apart from a bit of height. Could even be a more rounded team this season.

[The Professor]

Saw the Sepctres in action today as they smashed Frankston - Wilson and Tolo starred, as did Gourley (have I got that right?). Good win over Kilsyth too, apparently. They have turned the corner now.

[Coach D]

Saw the Sepctres in action today as they smashed Frankston - Wilson and Tolo starred, as did Gourley (have I got that right?). Good win over Kilsyth too, apparently. They have turned the corner now.

Frankston would not want to lose Dombkins, because they would be lucky to score 10pts per game!

[bandwagon_jumper]

Getting close. I see Brisbane making finals with home court accounting for a lot for them. But that leaves for teams fighting for three places with one win difference between them. going down to the wire.

Nunawading likely to shape the finals. Massive weekend ahead for Knox and Brisbane as they could both put themselves into the finals with to W's this weekend

Hobart Charges released Rhonda Price from her contract after she didn't want to return to play against Ballarat. For those that know anything about Hobart's women's team will not be overly shocked that coach Willie Joseph wasn't about when yet aother import left the team. These guys need some extrenal help to ensure they are strong enough to compete next season. Start your groundwork now.

[The Professor]

Thursday's game between Dandenong and Nunawading shapes up as very important, too, although more important for the Spectres to win if they want to make the finals. Should be a terrific game.

[smittys07]

Lady Chargers send Price packing:

http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2010/06/28/155131_tasmania-news.html

[Melb Wildcat]

The Price is wrong!

Chargers not getting the best reputation for imports with both Denson and Price gone already since the start of season. I was actually seeing a bit of improvement from the Lady Chargers team too so an interesting move.

Anyone know why they sacked Price - I mean what exactly happened that Price didnt go back on?

[Swish83]

The Price is wrong!

Chargers not getting the best reputation for imports with both Denson and Price gone already since the start of season. I was actually seeing a bit of improvement from the Lady Chargers team too so an interesting move.

Anyone know why they sacked Price - I mean what exactly happened that Price didnt go back on?

Having had a look at the box score, I suspect Price was probably unhappy with how many times she saw the ball. 11 minutes and 1 FG attempt. Given how many shots she usually takes per game, she was probably peed-off'd she wasn't getting all her shots. Of course, this is pure speculation.
I remember watching her play for a Flames 2 seasons ago and she just seemed like such an individual out on the court. Shame really, she had decent skills, was athletic, could shoot the mid range jumper consistently. But bball is a team game - not sure she's quite figured this out yet.

[bandwagon_jumper]

My mail is Price is no team player. She pulled out of a game for Launceston last season as well. I was amazed anyone picked her up this season.

I think the Hobart franchise has plenty to work on. A change or two required I feel.

[DiggyDawg]

The Price is wrong!

Anyone know why they sacked Price - I mean what exactly happened that Price didnt go back on?


Word on the street is that there has been ongoing tension in the team over frustration with Coach Josephs coaching styles and that there is also tension between Price & her girlfriend she brought to the team Jess Kern.

In regards to the game she played most of the first (& through a source) I heard her attitude towards the coach was very poor, So he sat her off for the entire second quarter and half of the third then received 3 fouls 1 being UnSportmanslike showing her disgust with Coach Joseph and his coacing in the game! She was then asked to go back on in the fourth which she refused resulting in an emergency meeting between club president & Price at the end of the game that ended in her being released from the remainder of her contract!!

In response to the comment that she was good for Sydney in the WNBL as a Flames supporter I would say that I was glad to see the back of her and that she was a waste of an import place in that season! But this is my personal opinion!

[DiggyDawg]

New word on the street from my Tassie source that Hobart had a board meeting last night to reinstate Price's contract to be back playing with them!!

Will wait for more word today!

Even though I dont like Price as a player, I think after all the coverage this has had both on SEABL and the main Tassie paper why would she want to play out her contract at a club that has tarnished her name/career! Mud sticks and what was said by the president not ideal for her playing career in Australia in the future for any club that might be looking at her!! IMPO

[Homer]

No "I" in team.

Bye Bye

I love a good dummy spit !!!

[Melb Wildcat]

If your paid to play basketball for a living then you have it pretty good anyway. Ive only seen her play in person 1 time but liked what I saw (even though they got spanked by 70 points in that game). Its funny though how some SEABL players do have big egos, while most WNBL players are pretty laid back.

Both parties look bad here as Hobart have not started their SEABL campaign that great with imports (Denson and Price gone) and Price looks like a spoilt child.

[KANTON]

Looking fwd to the Cobras match this Sat, will Turnover Smith be haunted by her last game against the Raiders where she recorded a season high 16 TO, with her opponent scoring at ease.

Im tipping a firey contest between the 2 teams with the Cobras looking to find form after a slump in recent times.

The Raiders will be looking for Denson to lead the way again but Im sure Manou will have something to say about that.

Should be a great contest..

[DiggyDawg]

Having seen her play last year for Launceston & then this year for Hobart she is definatly having a better season this year than last.

But she comes across as a very dominating person, In a game I saw she was abusing (as was Kern) the young players in her team about getting her the ball the right way, IMO there is a right way and a wrong way to do that & she goes about it totally wrong as does her girlfriend Kern! Constantly abusing your team isnt going to make them want to continue playing with you or even next season, Their behaviour is terrible for junior development at the club!

Latest whisper to come out is that Price was not sacked she quit but they are trying to lure her back!?! Not sure though

[DiggyDawg]

STROPPY IMPORTS FUTURE UNCLEAR

ADAM SMITH

June 30, 2010 12:01am

THE future of Lady Chargers import Rhonda Price remains in limbo after a meeting with the board on Monday night.

Price was sacked immediately after Sunday's loss against Ballarat, a match where she played just 11 minutes after removing herself from the game early in the first quarter and refused to come back onto court.

Despite the Lady Chargers struggling through their maiden SEABL campaign with a 0-18 record, Price was averaging 18.4 points and 10.3 rebounds a game before Sunday's debacle.

It is believed she met with board members to offer an apology and ask to be reinstated for the rest of the season.

The Lady Chargers have four more matches to register their first win. Their best chance is against Frankston at home next month.

However, both club officials and Price refused to comment yesterday.

Clubb president David Mole confirmed a meeting was held Monday but was unaware of any decision as he did not attend.

"There were some more discussions last night but I'm not sure of the outcome as I'm away for work at the moment," Mole said,

"The board is trying to get together and work through what went on on the weekend, but there is still some work to be done."

[Coach D]

Having seen her play last year for Launceston & then this year for Hobart she is definatly having a better season this year than last.

But she comes across as a very dominating person, In a game I saw she was abusing (as was Kern) the young players in her team about getting her the ball the right way, IMO there is a right way and a wrong way to do that & she goes about it totally wrong as does her girlfriend Kern! Constantly abusing your team isnt going to make them want to continue playing with you or even next season, Their behaviour is terrible for junior development at the club!

Latest whisper to come out is that Price was not sacked she quit but they are trying to lure her back!?! Not sure though

She is very self absorbed! It is all about her in offense and if you don't pass it to her then look out! I thought she was just too disruptive to the team. The Coach did not seem too interested in the game I watched and she was in his ear all the way to the locker room afterwards. Not a lot of love from her teamates.

[jsballer]

Interesting to hear the rumblings are beginning about Knox's seabl women coach from the higher ups in Raiderland.

[bandwagon_jumper]

IMO Hobart would be better off just cutting their loses and dumping Price. Should be two new restricted players there next season anyway. The coach, well my thoughts are they need a new one of those as well. Someone with some passion for the game and proven track record at building a team through the use of local content. Mabye Amy Denson should win the smartest player of teh year for getting out early.

As for Knox, either they have trouble with conditioning as they seem to have many players carrying injuries. Strange recruiting of already injured players, or they are the unluckiest team in the league. I am just not sure which one.

So what is everyone's picks for the final 6 teams for 2010? Who has been the biggest surprise ? Who has been most disappointing ? What player is MVP favourite and who is the most improved ?

[Melb Wildcat]

Even though Deanna Smith got 16 turnovers against Knox in their game earlier in the season she also got game MVP with 20 points/10 rbs and 6 assists and got the Cobras back into the game when they were behind by about 12 or so. In saying that it will be Denson's first game against Kilsyth atfer she missed the 1st. If the Cobras have Zavecz in this game I think they will win, just it will be very close.


Price might need to learn how to act from other restricted players in the league. Although I do not know the circumstances of her incident she doesnt sound like the type of player you want. Id much rather play the local girls for big minutes anyway and get them more experience even if they get blown away.


My top 6 would be ---Dandy (think they might choke in finals though), Launceston, Kilsyth, Brisbane, Bendigo and knox.

In terms of most improved i think Moffat has stepped up for Kilsyth and Stevens has done a great job for Albury this season. Cannot think of many others who have improved a great deal.

[bandwagon_jumper]

Sorry Wildcat, I must have been watching another game last time Knox played Kilsyth. Moffatt lifted to get them up along with 3 x 3's from McMenamin and finally Manou finished them off when Fryters fouled out. Smith scored, but from memory a lot from the foul line.

Either way with only a few games to go the win is very important to both.

[Melb Wildcat]

Yes Smith did score heaps from the free throw line, but just ask Kobe and those free throws add up to quick points.

You are right though manou and mcmenamin also came up big when it mattered, but I think Smith also got about 12 points in free throws.

[KANTON]

Sorry Wildcat, I must have been watching another game last time Knox played Kilsyth. Moffatt lifted to get them up along with 3 x 3's from McMenamin and finally Manou finished them off when Fryters fouled out. Smith scored, but from memory a lot from the foul line.

Either way with only a few games to go the win is very important to both.

Im with you on this one also, of more importance is how many points her opponent seems to score every week. Smith's defence certainly looks to be a worry for the team.

Its ok to score but you must have a defensive style to your game, Im not sure if Smith is too heavily focussed on scoring and forgets to defend.

Interesting to see Smith in the Dandy game complaining to her coach on the sidelines about her team mates, not a good sign..... Maybe more to her being out for last weeks game than meets the eye...

Looking forward to this weeks game should be a close one

[Melb Wildcat]

When Kilsyth last played against Dandenong, Smith got 29 points which was more than double any Dandy player. Who guarded smith in the Dandy game? Was it Cumming with 14 points and papavs with 2 points?

I actually rate Smith a pretty good defensive player. Im not too sure her opponents have scored much against her - except for Dombkins who jacked up 25 shots at 36% to score 22 points.

My only critism would be she has had some games where she has been a bit turnover prone - eg Knox game and a few others to a lesser extent.

[baller42]

in regards to price... i remember hearing of a similar situation when she was with the flames. refusing to go back on after being subbed off and she missed the following game after..
i agree she has some great athleticism, however sulking incidents like this dont deserve a spot on a wnbl roster or seabl for that matter.

[KANTON]

When Kilsyth last played against Dandenong, Smith got 29 points which was more than double any Dandy player. Who guarded smith in the Dandy game? Was it Cumming with 14 points and papavs with 2 points?

I actually rate Smith a pretty good defensive player. Im not too sure her opponents have scored much against her - except for Dombkins who jacked up 25 shots at 36% to score 22 points.

My only critism would be she has had some games where she has been a bit turnover prone - eg Knox game and a few others to a lesser extent.

Not sure you are exactly right with all your points there... but anyway this forum is not just about Smith, wouldn't want her to feel like there is a set against her.

Its more to do with her manner on the court and the constant negative body language and comments to her coach on the side. Be more of a team player and Im sure things will improve for everyone.

Im sure this weeks game will go down to the wire.

[bandwagon_jumper]

Who will end Dandenongs run ? they have
Albury A
Bendigo H
Brisbane H
Kilsyth A
Albury H
Brisbane A

[Melb Wildcat]

I think Dandenong's run will end soon in the game against Kilsyth. If Kilsyth are at full strength they will be hard to beat, especially if they can gel in the next few games. In saying that Albury seemed to match up pretty well with Dandy last season (every game was close) although Dandy appear a better team this season. I might be wrong but just feel Dandy will choke soon enough ---and hope they do lol.

In regards to Smith Ive just seen her play 3 games this season either due to her Opals commitments and not playing, or Smith playing and me not being able to make it. I cannot really comment on her body language etc.

[patm]

Smith scored, but from memory a lot from the foul line.
In my memory of the game Smith did stand out with her offensive rebounds and putbacks that led to her being fouled and going to the line.

[smittys07]

In terms of most improved i think Moffat has stepped up for Kilsyth and Stevens has done a great job for Albury this season. Cannot think of many others who have improved a great deal.

Elli Lovelace? Admittedly is playing on a bad Frankston team but has pretty much doubled anything she'd done previously.
I can only go on stats with her though, haven't seen her play in person this season (yet).
As much as Stevens has improved, there's no way she's the most improved in the league, prob not on her own team either.
"A great job" would be a stretch MW (and yes, I know she had big shoes to fill), she's been OK (given her age and experience, or lack thereof) but the numbers don't lie either.
Her college stint should help immensely.

[Melb Wildcat]

I also thought about Lovelace but I think the only improvement has been her minutes. She is playing about 35 minutes a game this season for a team that is struggling. While her stats have improved, she is playing about 3 times the minutes she did at Knox as well. Id say her opportunities have improved, but not so sure she has.

The reason I said stevens is because since about the 6th game of the season to now she is averaging about 7 points a game in about 22 mnutes. Id play her more if I was the coach ahead of Collins (3.5ppg at 25%). At least give her one game where she plays 30 minutes and see what she does. I also like Stevens defence for a short player. Hopefully she comes back from college a very good player.

Im guessing you think mahady has been Albury's most improved smitty?

[smittys07]

Yeah, Mahady for sure. Has gotten stronger, better and more confident as the season has progressed. Possible Youth Player of the Year? Might be a stretch but would be in the mix at the very least.

In terms of Stevens, I agree with everything you say - she's been good, her defence is solid for a small guard etc - but your criteria for judging the relative merits of both her and Lovelace should be the same.
I agree that Elli's increased output is the result of better minutes but couldn't you say the same thing about Stevens? More minutes, struggling team etc etc. Without Duck there, she was always going to get more minutes, hence a higher production.

[theFraudulentone]

it will be interesting to see how the lady bandits go next season...they have an interesting off season comin up! Coach Kereama has said he wont be returning...would think this will have an effect on the chances of gettin the 2 kiwi girls back, along with this a few girls are headin to college...will be a very busy off season on the border...

[bandwagon_jumper]

Albury looking for a new coachin 2011 ? who else might be looking for a change ?

[Melb Wildcat]

Well a very busy off-season with players leaving!

As you said I think it will be unlikely that both restricted players will return now that Kereama is leaving. Could be very hard to attract players to replace these two as well due to the location and $ offered. In saying that it could be beneficial to a young player looking for minutes next season (eg Briglia in men's comp and Lovelace in female comp). If they did lose wallbutton (only real dominant player with height) could be a long season next year.

Will be interesting to see who they get to replace him. Would Allen McCowan be considered?

[bandwagon_jumper]

MW - don't think there is much worry about Al throwing his hat in the ring for coaching there after the last time he had the role. Might be some ill feelings still. Although I am sure someone will pop up.

Launceston V Kilsyth looks to be a huge game this weekend. McMenamin equals club record for games played.

Also Bendigo has a massive danger game against Sandringham and dandenong and Brisbane will be tough.

Great weekend for sports nutz

[Melb Wildcat]

The Kilsyth and Launceston game is definately game of the week. Should be some great match-ups in this game as well (manou/cambage, Smith/Glaubitz). Game could go either way depending on this.

Does McCowan still go to Bandit games? In his coaching stint he was also playing for the men which probably wasnt the best situation and didnt have the luxuary of having 2 restricted players that I recall. Some of the young Bandits at the time (Duck, Gleeson) got some good exposure when he was coach (although they didnt win many). Not saying he is the best candidate but with the current restricted players they would of gone better.

A good write up too by smitty on SEABL. A lot of former Bandit players are key players for their current teams now (Dowdell, Lockett and Rice) :D

[theFraudulentone]

The Kilsyth and Launceston game is definately game of the week. Should be some great match-ups in this game as well (manou/cambage, Smith/Glaubitz). Game could go either way depending on this.

Does McCowan still go to Bandit games? In his coaching stint he was also playing for the men which probably wasnt the best situation and didnt have the luxuary of having 2 restricted players that I recall. Some of the young Bandits at the time (Duck, Gleeson) got some good exposure when he was coach (although they didnt win many). Not saying he is the best candidate but with the current restricted players they would of gone better.

A good write up too by smitty on SEABL. A lot of former Bandit players are key players for their current teams now (Dowdell, Lockett and Rice) :D

Al does still go to the bandits games...actually had his #24 retired last weekend just before the mens game against frankston...he could be a possibility, but i believe he is looking at heading to the states to get a coaching gig...hopefully the bandits are already on the hunt for a new coach...or maybe they can sort out a better package to entice coach kereama back? lookin more like both kiwi's wont be back though...could be tough to find replacements!

[mama k]

The Kilsyth and Launceston game is definately game of the week. Should be some great match-ups in this game as well (manou/cambage, Smith/Glaubitz). Game could go either way depending on this.

According to seabl website, cambage will be away with opals commitments.
will be interesting to hear how this game goes.

[Melb Wildcat]

What about the Cobras's Opals reps? Are they playing?

The game will not be the same without Cambage playing.

[mama k]

What about the Cobras's Opals reps? Are they playing?

The game will not be the same without Cambage playing.

Zavecz made the team, smith didn't.

[mama k]

Nunawading & launceston go into double overtime - looked like Nunawading nearly blew them out of the water at the end and then Launceston came back again.

would be interested to hear who reffed the game - seems a 'local' blonde always 'happens' to get a go.

[Melb Wildcat]

Caitlin Cunningham has another huge game with 27pts and 16 rbs. Not a bad days work helping get the spectres a win. Seems to play much better when tolo isnt there.

Brisbane beat Dandy. Dandy seem to be ch ch choking as finals approach. Most of the dandy girls probably will not be in the wnbl next season id imagine wih all of the wnbl rangers signings at the moment. Happy to see dandy lose anyway.

A good win by kilsyth on saturday night. Smith the standout with 34pts.

[bandwagon_jumper]

Dandenong could be in trouble with Steph Cummings injury.

Launceston will certainly be keen to get their big back on the court this week as they looked a little average and out of sync this weekend. A couple of really bad calls would have seen Launceston V Nunawading not go into overtime, but I am sure the two refs would have been told about that after the game as a few of the errors were match changing and very obvious to everyone but the two in control. Launceston had some interesting defensive stuff going on as Carly Wilson allowed many open looks and at times seemed unguarded.

Both top teams had a big hiccup as the finals get closer. Kilsyth and Brisbane I think have done enough now to qualify which just leaves Bendigo, Ballarat, and Knox to fill two spots.

What I have noticed is most of the top teams only going to 6 or maybe 7, which could cause headaches down the stretch if teams get into foul trouble or injuries.

[Mixmaster]

Just new to this site and I thought I would give my breakdown for next two weeks and the final top six.

Launceston I feel should end up with a win and a loss. Depending on Cambage availability could be 2 wins. Either 16-6 or 17-5

Brisbane should win both games as they are hard to beat at home and have
albury and Dandenong 16-6


Dandenong I feel have peaked and wil probably loose next 2games ending up at 16-6, leaving them 3rd for and against brisbane.

Kilsyth have a good run and should 2 of next 3 leaving them with 15-7 and 4th spot.

Bendigo have one game left at home and I think thet will beat Ballarat, so they finish with 15-7. Not sure for and against with Kilsyth.

Knox I think should win next 2 games leaving them with 14-8. If they drop 1 they could end up equal with ballarat on 13-9 and as long as they beat ballarat or loose by less than 8 they get 6th.

Ballarat have the hardest road to finals and I think they could loose all 3 games. They must beat knox to go into 6.


The top three could end up with either Launceston,Brisbane or Dandenong in top spot. Knox or Ballarat could end up sixth. This is a tight finish to the regular season. Good to see.

[bandwagon_jumper]

If teh whispers are true, then how did Dandenong get away with approval to play MacLeod for the rest of teh regular season ? I thought players had to be able to qualify for finals to act as a replacement player. Obviously I am wrong. Great get in a very tight race for finals, but not so sure how happy the other 6 teams fighting for finals place would be.

[smittys07]

If teh whispers are true, then how did Dandenong get away with approval to play MacLeod for the rest of teh regular season ? I thought players had to be able to qualify for finals to act as a replacement player. Obviously I am wrong. Great get in a very tight race for finals, but not so sure how happy the other 6 teams fighting for finals place would be.

Injury waiver? Same as Hobart with Mark Nash (filling in for Corey Davie) I assume.

[Melb Wildcat]

I checked out the Kilsyth vs Dandenong game and it was one of the best games Ive seen this season. Dandenong looked the better team early with Macleod doing most of the early scoring. At quarter time the scores were Dandenong 26 to 17 with the Lady Cobras struggling both on offence and defence.

Dandenong started the 2nd quarter well and got the margin out to about 10 points and things were looking a bit bleak. However after this the Cobras were led by smith (26pts, 8rbs and 13 assists) and manou 22pts and 14rebs). After quarter time Dandenong shot 30% (15/50fg) and it was really only some open looks from Todhunter and Macleod that kept the scoreboard ticking for the Rangers.

Smith delivered some of the best passes Ive seen in SEABL for a while and set up teammates a few times, especially Manou under the basket. Manou was a monster on the boards all night with Kunek in foul trouble. The Rangers talls (Anderson, Terdich) had no answer for her. For a team with 5 or 6 WNBL players on it the Rangers did not look too good after the first quarter.

This game belonged to Deanna Smith who should go close to back to back player of the week awards after this game (depends on how the nunawading gme goes). She hit clutch shots when needed, rebounded when needed and set up players with some bullet passes. She helped the Cobras from 10 points down to overcome the rangers to win 80 to 68 after the game was basically level for the most part until the last few minutes.

MVP - Deanna Smith
2nd - Ellie Manou
3rd - Kathleen McLeod

[bandwagon_jumper]

Kilsyth played well after quarter time. D.Smith played to what the refs allowed her to. You can read into that what you will.

Thought Dandenong played very poorly against Kilsyth's zone defense.

Kilsyth undid their good work Saturday night by dropping to the Spooks Sunday.
Last round will settle all finals positions

[Melb Wildcat]

Explain what you mean regarding Smith and the refs?

[bandwagon_jumper]

Mate blind freddy can see that she gets away with a lot. Now I haven't watched all their games this season but every game I have seen has seen her make all the contact on the defenders and she lives on the foul line. Each game I have seen her give up at least one offensive foul that is not called either due to ref's being scared of her, they make a really bad no call or they ar reffing the name and not the game. Any player who drives baseline and jumps back into the D and creates all the contact, should not get rewarded by free trips to teh foul line.

That being said she is a quality player, who at times has done very well for her new club. I don't think they would be where they are without her, but I am happy to say she gets a great ride from the whistle blowers.

[The Professor]

I saw the Nuna v Kilsyth game. The turning point came when Deanna Smith collected her fourth foul in the second quarter and sat the game out until the last 4 minutes. In that time the Spectres went from trailing by as much as 10 points at one stage to getting slightly ahead. Marianna Tolo had a day out, although Ellie Manou did a terrific job in the Kilsyth defence as well as racking up some points (about 25 I think). She is a class act. The Cobras could have won it at the end of the game with about 30 seconds to go, but they couldn't find the basket. Nuna won it and, as Carly Wilson implied to the crowd in her end-of-home-games for the season speech, we were all left wondering what the Sepctres might have achieved had they played like this from the beginning of the season. A cracking game!

[DiggyDawg]

Can I ask dos anyone know what is wrong with Dombkins? I cant find any info anywhere about here :)

[DiggyDawg]

BWJ you have hit the nail on the head there with that last comment! I went along to the Kilsyth V Launceston game last week to have a squiz, Yes Smith was great in that game but like BWJ said she is constantly the one making the hard contact not the defence!

The umpiring in that game was absolutly attrocious and like BWJ said they umpire to the name of the player not the game! at one stage the foul count was 17-5 against Launceston It was terribly one sided! As an example on one occasion Smith drove jumped into the stationry player who was in perfect defence the ball came loose from the contact and she flopped, she created alll the contact herself threw herself on the floor but still got the call!!

I dont want to take anything away from Kilsyth's game as they were right on the money and Launceston looked sluggish after their enforced 2wk break, But to say it was evenly umpired would have been wrong, The foul count was 24-15 Launcestons Favour but the big discrepency I felt was the foul shots Kilsyth went to the line 25 times compared to Launcestons 8! I feel the way the game was umpired was purely protecting the named player had this not have happened it may have been a closer game and IMO the foul count ALOT more even!!

In regards to Player of the Week I think it would be hard to go past Tolo for her match winning performance or maybe even Jarry after their split weekend

[DiggyDawg]

Nunawading & launceston go into double overtime - looked like Nunawading nearly blew them out of the water at the end and then Launceston came back again.

would be interested to hear who reffed the game - seems a 'local' blonde always 'happens' to get a go.

Yes Mama K you would be correct that umpire was officiating in that game wouldve been lucky to blow her whistle let alone know what she was doing/calling!!

[Melb Wildcat]

Surely Ellie manou would be player of the week after 2 very good games that resulted in a win and a loss over the weekend. If Manou stays out of foul trouble she can put up some big numbers.

With finals coming up very shortly almost any of the teams in the finals can win it. Could be a very interesting finals series.

[mama k]

Yes Mama K you would be correct that umpire was officiating in that game wouldve been lucky to blow her whistle let alone know what she was doing/calling!!

apparently she reffed yet another Nunawading home game - are there any Nunawading home games she doesn't ref??
INCREDIBLY biased reffing whenever I've seen her!!!!

[DiggyDawg]

apparently she reffed yet another Nunawading home game - are there any Nunawading home games she doesn't ref??
INCREDIBLY biased reffing whenever I've seen her!!!!

Yeah I went and had a look at that game to see if Launceston were any better than the night previos against Kilsyth and she was pretty bad, One call she made standing right in front of what happened was just ridiculous Id say the whole stadium could see it! It was winding down to the end of the game b4 the OT's (And had she made the correct call I dare say there would not have been any OT as Launceston wouldve converted and won!) A Launceston player dived from well inside the sideline to save the ball knocked it back in court straight off the Nunawading player and out of court and she gave the ball back to them! It was just unreal that she could make a game changing obvious (to everyone in the stadium) call such as that!

And then to top it all off the atrocious male ref who had the howler of a game at Kilsyth then reffed the mens Nunawading V North West Tassie game, Arrr hello people...He couldnt even umpire women right!!

Where do these refs come from??

[bandwagon_jumper]

interesting to see that Kilsyth lose to Ballarat they are over and out for 2010! Logic says Knox beats Albury.
Launceston wins and they are minor premiers
Brisbane/Dandneong result will just work out who is 2nd and 3rd
but the big game will be Ballarat and Kilsyth Saturday night, with the loser out for the season. I forget how many years now these two teams have battled the last game of the season for a spot in the finals. Amazing really. Can the old tried and true Ballarat Miners beat the Fresh faces at Kilsyth ?

Going to be a big weekend

[opalswatcher]

amazing with all the money being spent by kilsyth on coaches and players that they may miss finals.

Pressure surely on cheryl with almost no Kilsyth juniors getting minutes, discontent with the training from some of their stars and now possibly no finals.

A lot riding on this weeks game for the past WNBL coach of the year.

[Melb Wildcat]

A lot of Kilsyth juniors have gotten a taste of minutes in SEABL this season. As mentioned before O'Shea is getting about 25 minutes a game (not bad for a 1st season). Name another first year player who plays 25 minutes a game? O'Donnell and Ebzery also got a taste early in the year but are being developed more in the D-league --Id expect them on the SEABL team next season. Moffat is another young player who has also played big minutes (around 33 a game).

Add to this that Zavecz has barely played any games and Smith has also missed a chunk then the so called 'powerhouse' isnt as strong as people percieve it to be.

Even Nunawading missed with 2 Opals so Id be asking questions about them.

I wouldnt be surprised if Dandenong spent more money on their women's team with their 23 WNBL players :D.

[bandwagon_jumper]

whack!!!! Don't be shy at venting there Opalswatcher. :D

There is a lot riding on the game. two things I know is
1. Ballarat will be up for it for Cassell's last home game as coach.
2. Deanna Smith will get plenty of foul shots.

[DiggyDawg]

Hopefully Smith gets in foul trouble early like she did with Nunawading on the weekend & then Ballarat take the W @ The Minerdome and we can say See Ya Cobras :D

[Melb Wildcat]

The refs who did the Nunawading game will NOT be doing the Cobras game. This can only be good for basketball.

[bandwagon_jumper]

Any thoughts on who will miss out on the finals ?

[bandwagon_jumper]

Kilsyth have resigned Chambers for 2011 in recognition for her work with Kilsyth locals and juniors as well as providing a new professionalism to the SEABL team.

New coaches are needed at possibly three clubs, any ideas who might get those ?

[opalswatcher]

3 clubs?

Ballarat and Albury - Who is the third?

[theFraudulentone]

will be interesting to see if albury will go for an outsider for the coaching position or if they are jsut gonna promote one of their assistants from the last 2 years...will be tough considering the drop off in results this season, going from a contender week in week out last eyar to a side that has an average losin margin of 20 points this year...also the lack of budget and the knowledge that 1 definitely and most likely both restricteds wont return next year and 2 locals girls goin to college, which leaves a very depleted squad for next season already!

interesting times ahead on the border!

[opalswatcher]

also without kennedy does that mean a stop to the New Zealand influence in the team?

[Melb Wildcat]

Yeah more like worrying times on the border :p

I didnt really expect the Bandits to do that well this season anyway. It seemed most other teams improved their roster in the off-season, but the Bandits got weaker especially with Duck missing most of the year. They also probably over-achieved last season.

Im not too sure about the Bandits assistants (think they have 3 different ones) as they always seem to have a different one when they travel so not sure about their availability. However with a small budget they will be limited in who they can get.

The good news is Duck should have a better season next year with a pre-season behind her.

[opalswatcher]

I missed the results from the round just gone and missed out on who ended up seventh? (hehe) Anyone care to elaborate?

[smittys07]

also without kennedy does that mean a stop to the New Zealand influence in the team?

Not necessarily.

[Melb Wildcat]

Maybe sam McDonald can keep one of them there? :p

[bandwagon_jumper]

Was a great last round of the regular season.

This weeks games look very good as well. I think for the first time in a while that any of the remaining six teams could win the championship.

Larissa Anderson coach of the year
Natalie Purcell defensive player of the year
Either Deanna Smith or Rachael Jarry for MVP
Stinker of the year Hobart coaching staff for losing an import before the season started and recruiting Price who also didn't see the season out.
Most disappointing team of the year - exclude Hobart, but every other team that didn't make the finals all underachieved.
will miss you award goes to Kym Cassells who has been an outstanding contributor to the SEABL. Biggest shoes to fill in recent SEABL history I think.

[smittys07]

Most disappointing team of the year - exclude Hobart, but every other team that didn't make the finals all underachieved.

While I agree that Kilsyth, Sandy and Nuna all underachieved (and Frankston were just horrible), there's no way you can put Albury in the same basket.
They probably overachieved last year to make finals, they lost Duck to college for a good portion of the season, as well as several key role players.
5 wins was right about on the money for them, given the way a lot of other teams loaded up. They beat Hobart and Frankston twice each - and they should have - but they also beat Sandringham after trailing by 20, and were generally competitive in every match they played (the 50-point loss to Knox the glaring exception).
They'll need to recruit well next year, they lose Stevens and Gleeson to college, as well as Edmondson and possibly/probably/maybe Wallbutton. And they need a new coach.

[bandwagon_jumper]

Smitty's I think I may have been a little hard on Albury. But I still thought they might have been knocking on the door of finals a little more. Duck I thought was no where near what she was the previous season, and losing Smith really hurt the team. Some major work to be done for 2011 I would think. New coach and need to bring in a core to build around.

[Melb Wildcat]

I must agree that I thought Duck would play better than what she did. A pre-season with the team next season will be beneficial to her. Blair and smith were also 2 other starters who left on the previos season.

I think Albury need to get some height in their team (try to keep walbutton) and also a shooting guard who can score. The losses of Stevens and Gleeson will also be hard to replace. I dont really rate any of the guards at Albury besides duck and stevens (who they have lost).

Could be a long season ahead for the bandits. At least Mahady looks to be a good young player coming through ---and has some height!

[falcon]

Unless Mahady has grown significantly since top-age 18's she'd be 5'9 tops I'd have said! I also heard she had signed with a Div 2 college at the same time as Gleeson but maybe that has since changed.

[bandwagon_jumper]

Someone will have to explain to me why so many young men and women want to rush over to the USA to play for little known college's. The boys I understand in a small way with relation to the fact many of the current Boomers have been through college hoops. But the same cannot be said about our Opals squad, most have gone through AIS and leagues like SEABL on their way to national league and then either Europe or WNBA.

Who is pushing all our kids with a little tallent to the college system ?

[rook]

Someone will have to explain to me why so many young men and women want to rush over to the USA to play for little known college's. The boys I understand in a small way with relation to the fact many of the current Boomers have been through college hoops. But the same cannot be said about our Opals squad, most have gone through AIS and leagues like SEABL on their way to national league and then either Europe or WNBA.

Who is pushing all our kids with a little tallent to the college system ?

If you choose the college pathway you also get a free education along the way, in addition to excellent exposure worldwide. For many, it is the equivalent of the AIS but not limited to 10 or 12 spots. In the larger scheme of life, surely it makes sense to consider college as an option.

[Melb Wildcat]

I agree there are many reasons to head to the USA for college. Even if its just a small school you still get a free education, more exposure and the experience would be great. Its great to see many of the Albury girls giving college a try.

I guess with female players they can get discovered by WNBA teams etc playing in the WNBL/AIS than what a guy would with the NBA.


Mahady even at 5'9 would be considered a tall for Albury. Think she is the 3rd tallest on team as well.

[falcon]

As someone who has a daughter looking at the college option, perhaps some insight from my perspective. There's a sentiment amongst some at BA that US Colleges are the evil empire - no development, all about the team, cant practice during their summer, out of sight out of mind in terms of National teams, etc.

From a player's/parent's persepctive I'd ask what are the benefits of staying here. Assume two players from each single-year age group are going to make the Opals (a reasonable standard in terms of being able to make a good living from the game?). So you better be pretty good if you want to a) make a genuine living and b) have those opportunities afforded to you in Australia.

So...am I good enough to be one of those two, or do I pursue another possibility, acknowledge that my basketball maturity is a little way away from my 18th birthday and if I'm smart, develop a back-up plan. If that's the case, let's compare the two scenarios purely from a financial point of view - stay here, pay my own money to play the game (for most outside those top two), go to Uni (maybe locally but probably not if you are trying to play as well - not many home-grown WNBL programs) and finish in four years with a HECS debt of maybe $40,000+?

OR commit myself to basketball and for 95% of the basketball playing population, being in a position of 'starting over' with a career, academically or otherwise.

OR - head to the US, pick a degree which is compatible (sometimes easier said than done) play in relatively luxurious circumstances (free gear, good travel, crowds, on-campus recognition - all relative to the player's ability and consequently their standards both here and in the US) and come home debt-free, still able to pursue basketball in this country if desired but also able to move into the professional world if that is now calling?

Its horses for courses - the life experience of four years OS following the dream has more value to some than others - some of my daughter's peers have already closed the door on the college option, just as the value of staying close to home has more value to some than to others.

Back in the day, I turned down the US option because I had started college here and didn't want to go backwards educationally. BUT - there were no HECS debts then - yeah, that long ago! :)

[Lolly_snack]

Going to college I believe really depends on what you want at the end of it. One one hand - you do get the bonus of a debt free education when you return but on the other - what about the playing side of it? Isn't that real reason you go to the college; because you can play, or am I wrong?

If you are serious about playing at a national level and persuing a 'career' (or what is possible in the Australian leagues or potential good Euro leagues) in the basketball arena the ratio of female players (as it is different from males to females) that come back and have developed a game that can take them to the next step is very slim!

I believe there are only a handful of players that have acheived this (please name and correct me if I'm wrong as I'm not familiar outside of Vic who may have done this elsewhere; I'm manily using local girls for this examples)!

There are many girls who have been within the institute and then gone O/S and made the next step (obviously the tute is a big factor here) but the ratio of girls who have gone over and been 'influenced' by the college lifestyle and either a) lasted 1-2 years before they get home sick and return to a league they were already capable of playing and have to work twice as hard to get back into shape and then hit their straps in the higher leagues. Or b) they go the full 4 years and then return and still aren't stand outs; is on the higher end of the scale!

Main thing is - it's what you put in on the floor as to what you get out of it and there's every opportunity right here in Aus; coaches, stadiums, etc, with the right mentality, that will allow the hard working female to make the next step into the big leagues without heading US!

Along with this many of these hard working players work just as hard off the floor to create a career that they will persue when their playing careers are over; worked hard at a degree, worked hard to pay off their debts and can still enjoy the pleasure of travelling around this great nation and possibly internationally should that opprtunity arise.

If you want to experience the 'college' way of life and 'just' play basketball - then head to the US!

[falcon]

It'd be an interesting exercise to do the numbers but my point is that the current Australian basketball landscape doesn't provide too much opportunity to develop both basketball and career (unless you are good enough to step straight from school to the WNBL - predominantly AIS athletes).

That's fine - but there are other options where it is possible to do both.

I sense though, that your evaluation of the merits of both systems is based exclusively on the basketball outcomes - did they come back a better player or not "isn't that the real reason you go to college". I'm sure it is for many but I'm also sure there are many others for whom the motivation is education, life experience and basketball. Elyse Penaluna, Ellie Manou, Hannah Zavecz, Alison Lacey (I'm sure there are others) have all returned from college to become good contributors at NBL/National Team level, so I dont think college has to stop your basketball development.

I think the current argument is skewed because at the momemnt the cream of the crop go through the AIS and then onto professional careers. Would they have followed the same path if they went to college instead and then lent weight to the other side of the argument? I'm guessing Jackson, Taylor, Batkovic, Summerton, Harrower and others would have.

My question is - do you think the numbers below that AIS level are reasonable evenly represented on our Senior National squad? Are 'second-tier' kids equally well-served by staying here or going to college? Is there an Alison Lacey for every Sarah Graham?

[mama k]

It'd be an interesting exercise to do the numbers but my point is that the current Australian basketball landscape doesn't provide too much opportunity to develop both basketball and career (unless you are good enough to step straight from school to the WNBL - predominantly AIS athletes).

That's fine - but there are other options where it is possible to do both.

I sense though, that your evaluation of the merits of both systems is based exclusively on the basketball outcomes - did they come back a better player or not "isn't that the real reason you go to college". I'm sure it is for many but I'm also sure there are many others for whom the motivation is education, life experience and basketball. Elyse Penaluna, Ellie Manou, Hannah Zavecz, Alison Lacey (I'm sure there are others) have all returned from college to become good contributors at NBL/National Team level, so I dont think college has to stop your basketball development.

I think the current argument is skewed because at the momemnt the cream of the crop go through the AIS and then onto professional careers. Would they have followed the same path if they went to college instead and then lent weight to the other side of the argument? I'm guessing Jackson, Taylor, Batkovic, Summerton, Harrower and others would have.

My question is - do you think the numbers below that AIS level are reasonable evenly represented on our Senior National squad? Are 'second-tier' kids equally well-served by staying here or going to college? Is there an Alison Lacey for every Sarah Graham?

I'm not entirely sure about your last point here - you would like to see players who aren't selected for the AIS more represented in our senior team? Isn't the national team selected from the best players, and as a consequence the best players have come out of the AIS program??

So we don't want the cream of the crop going through the AIS because it skews the argument? Sorry I'm not sure I understand your point there either.

And even 3 out of the 4 players that you've used as examples show the advantage that the AIS has presented in previous years - Zavecz, Penaluna & Manou are all scholarship recipients of the AIS program.

I would agree that the Australian basketball landscape doesn't provide much in terms of career, due to the lack of funding that is associated with it. However I have not seen evidence that attending college has vastly improved career options either, as I know of other players who have had to complete further tertiary study in Australia to become qualified in their chosen field.

Lots of arguments for and against I guess.

[falcon]

Seems you didn't get much of my argument at all Mama K!:)

The notion was that lots of female players who go to college don't come back and contribute at a high level locally. The evidence to support this was that the majority of the Opals squad haven't gone the college pathway.

My point is that while the AIS take the top rung of players and look after them as well as they do, then the college pathway will always look like the inferior option when evaluated on that basis. And that is how it should be, but it shouldn't be used as an anti-college argument until that opportunity is afforded to a much broader range of players, which it is currently not. Those same players would have progressed to the same level whether or not they went to college - see Zavecz, Penaluna and Manou. I guess the question is did going to college hamper the development of these players?

Of course the best players should go through the AIS. The original question was why would a kid go to the US when they can stay in Australia and develop in the same way (and the Opals were used as that example). My point (which you agreed with) is that there isn't much for the fringe Aussie kid if they stay at home and do it their way.

I hear what you are saying about the US options as well but that is an individual choice on enrolment - working out what articulates here and what doesn't and again comes back to the priorities for going. You can go somewhere and play a lot of minutes, do a mickey mouse course and come back with neither career nor basketball developed, just as you can here, living on the smell of an oily rag, warming the bench and doing part-time study to accommodate your sport.

Not trying to make the case either way - as you say - lots :)of arguments for and against. I was simply responding to the question - why would somebody go?

[Showtime_Basketball]

There are three benefits for Australian players heading to the US.

1. To improve their basketball.
Playing in SEABL or any otehr ABA league players practcie maybe 6 hours a week - in college they practise 20 hours a week. Sure, they can't practice during the summer, but they can go and shoot around anytime they like when they are on campus in the US with first rate facilities and the majority of players that head home practice with ABA or SEABL teams anyway.
If you practice 20 hours a week, simple math tells me you have 3 times the chance to improve your game compared to if you practise 6 hours a week.

2. Life experience
This benefit has already been outlined several times in this forum, so I don't really need too say much more. It is basically a working holiday for college players - go to class, practice, study, play ball. They get to see many of the USA's sights and meet plenty of people they will become friends with for life. Who would want to life for free and play ball in a foreign country!!

3. Education
Again, much of this has been outlined already. Players get a degree at next to no cost. Sure, some courses require conversion once players get home, but think of players in these two circumstances

- Below average students
Would they get into an Australian university??
So long as they meet the minimum requirements, they can enter a college and work towards a college degree. Inturn the get a better job than they ever could by staying in Australia

- Outstanding academic students
Staying in Australia they have to manage their time playing, study, classes and working and pay for the privliage.
In the US, they get everything paid for, they don't have jobs and they often do very well academcally as they have less commitments.

The US college system is great for some players, while the Australian system is better for others.

Some points that have already been discussed in this topic need some further discussion I feel -

Falcon Elyse Penaluna - never went to US college
Ellie Manou, Hannah Zavecz - both played college ball after playing at the AIS. College is generally seen as an alternative for players how do not make the AIS as we are well aware. These two attended the AIS then college-
Zavecz - would she have been a starter on a dominant WNBL team staright out of the AIS? Probably not. Would she have deleveloped into one with four years in a WNBL program after AIS - we'll never know. College did develop her into this though.
Manou - she left college due to circumstances. New coach, new uptempo style - she could see her opportunities would be limited. A wise choice by Manou.

Alison Lacey - most of us know this is a success story for a kid never in consideration for an AIS scholarship. She is the prototpye for who US colleges are a good fit for.


Bandwagon_ jumper-
The Opals squad has, and will continue to be made up of AIS players - when one program has the best 12 players in the country every year, of course they are going to make up the Natioanl team.

Can you name the one current Opals squad member who didn't attend the AIS - its Natalie Hurst, she has come through the Australian club system.

In the past 15 years, how many Olympic Opals have not been through the AIS - I can think of one - Natalie Hughes....by the way she is a University of Oregon alum.

Look at the WNBL, look at the perctange of players that go to the US college sytem and have an impact in the WNBL compared to the number that stay in Australia and try and make rosters. Here are some interesting stats based on the 2009-10 WNBL season.

These US college numbers DO NOT include in former AIS players that played college - it's only players with US college as their background.

Backgrounds of players in the WNBL
Former AIS 43%
Australian club 31%
US College 12%
Internatioanls 11%

Background of RESTRICTED (13+ mins) players in the WNBL
Former AIS 66% - no surpirse here
Australian club 16% - around half of total players in the WNBL
US College 14% - simialr to total WNBL numbers

Australian club players in the WNBL
Restricted 13 (28%)
Un-restricted 32 (72%)

US college players in the WNBL
Restricted 11 (65%) - almost an indentical number to those coming through the club system
Un-restricted 6 (35%)

The stats outline players with a US college background have do have better success in the WNBL than players coming from Australian clubs. This is not to say that the US college system is for all players, but it is a viable option for players to consider and reap the benefits when they return home.

By the way, I don't think there have been Opals that have worked their way up from SEABL. They have either been at the AIS as mentioned or been on WNBL rosters from such as young age.

[Melb Wildcat]

The women's AIS team is also a bit different in that they play in the highest league in the counrty (WNBL) so they get a taste of how good the best players are. After their AIS stay many are then offered conracts by other WNBL teams or head overseas if good enough.

The boys team who play in the SEABL take a bit longer to develop in most cases so a college stay after AIS is a great way to achieve all the benefits mentioned previously. Many of them would just sit on the bench in the NBL anyway so they may as well head to college where they can actually play good minutes in most cases.

A lot of it just has to do with girls developing before boys etc.

[mama k]

As admitted on the Showtime Basketball website, even one of their players (Bermingham) admitted that it took a bit of getting used to playing the US style of game - as its a lot slower (typically) than in Australia. This might account for the fact that it takes a while for players to "adjust back" when they return from college.

As displayed by the figures provided it shows that by staying within Australia in the club system, a player would have a higher likelihood of playing in the WNBL, as opposed to returning college players (31% vs 12%)
Quote - "The stats outline players with a US college background have do have better success in the WNBL than players coming from Australian clubs." - not sure how as all the stats provided point for representation of Aust club vs college being either equal or higher for Aust club.
Where am I missing something??

A more recent Opal that has not been through the AIS system (and arguably more prominent than Natalie Hughes, who I think may have just been in a squad not in a travelling team) is Tully Bevilaqua. She would be a great example to young players that persistence & a tough work ethic can produce great results. And also because i think she was a WA native.

I don't think there's been any players come through SEABL into the Opals as the identification process and network of coaches identifying potential has produced strong and sound evaluations of players in the past.

Again - some like college, some like Aust club system.
Would like to know what Kirsty Baker - current AIS assistant coach thinks of this debate given her experience is very diverse - both coaching & playing wise.

Falcon - "My point (which you agreed with) is that there isn't much for the fringe Aussie kid if they stay at home and do it their way." - what I meant with regards to how much they will get paid playing. However playing basketball here (and doing well) can provide an opportunity to play O/S and then get paid quite well to that.

I don't think I have missed out any points that I wanted to make :)

[bandwagon_jumper]

So week two of finals, any thoughts people ? Who will win
Launceston or Dandenong ?
Knox or Brisbane ?

Carly Wilson defensive player of the year by a vote over Sarah Parsons. Both very worthy IMO

[DiggyDawg]

Wow to very big games this weekend! I think Maybe Launceston in a tight one over Dandy but Launceston missing Cambage to Aus camp there second string talls need to step up & do the job!! Anderson the X Factor!!

And I think that the other game will be alot tougher tk choose who wins that Knox def the smokey & may have come to play at the right end of the season!! Denson V Randall should be interesting & someone really needs to stop Denson in the current form she is currently on!! Graham V Veal another. Big contest right there! Purcell the X factor and Smith could have one out of the bag! Knox may lack more than 2 scorers which could bw their downfall!!

And having seen both Wilson & Parsons play this year a very deserved ending only having the 1 vote between!!

[Melb Wildcat]

I think that Launceston and Dandenong are very similar in that when their best player does not play they tend to struggle. Dandenong lost a few in the time that Cumming was out and Launceston do not look that good wihout Cambage. For this reason Im tipping Dandenong to win.

Knox are starting to gel at the right time ---like every year it seems. Not sure if its an upset but Im tipping the Raiders to win. It obviously depends on how Denson goes and if they can stop her.

[Melb Wildcat]

Heard Dandy destroyed Launceston 80 to 57! No Cambage, no Launceston!

[upnorth]

Was anyone at the Knox v Brisbane game? I couldn't make it out there, but could keep an eye on the stats. Megan Sinclair seemed to be running hot in the 3rd as Knox started to close in on Brisbane, but then found herself on the pine to kick off the 4th?

What happened out there?

[bandwagon_jumper]

A few people have commented that a couple of Knox players watched often and didn't play enough.

If Launceston can't get Cambage in uniform this week their season is over. Cannot see them beating the heavily loaded Brisbane team.

I am still scratching the head over how SEABL have allowed them to field that team

[DiggyDawg]

Launceston beat Brisbane leading at all changes ouch!! I'm sure being so stacked Lady Spartans would not be happy!! Sarah Parsons player of the game for me BOOM!!!!

[bandwagon_jumper]

Massive game for people who like watching great talent this weekend. Not all grand finals look great on paper as the last few years one side has appeared more talented on paper than the other. This year you again in many ways have a team (dandenong) Vs talent (launceston)

Cant wait for teh game to begin. Whom is tipping who ?

[Melb Wildcat]

Launceston should win if Cambage plays, Dandy should win if she doesnt.

I just do not see anyone on Dandy being able to stop Cambage (Anderson would be only real option Id say and even then she should dominate). Dandy will need Cumming to play well as they also had their winning streak ended when she was out.

Could be an interesting game though

[bandwagon_jumper]

I might be wrong but I think only three of them have won SEABL titles before (not sure if Anderson did or not)

[The Professor]

Congratulations to Elli Manou for being Youth Player of the Year. She's a star!

[Melb Wildcat]

Good win by Dandy over Launceston. It appears from the boxscore that Todhunter completely outplayed Milner (3pts 1/9fg, 40 mins) which is a bit surprising. Dandy have been the best team all season, except I still think a full strength Kilsyth team that had time to gel would beat them. :D

A great season overall for the womens SEABL competition with so many WNBL players playing this season.

[springman8]

ok i know at times i seem a tad "simple" but how does jarry "NOT" win youth player of the year but win "MVP" ????? am i missing something in the cross over ???

[mama k]

Well if I just watched the future of Aust womens basketball future tonight - it is going to suck!!! How on earth a player thinks that it is okay to call the shots - yell at her coach from the court to plead for him not to take her off, scream again to get taken off and then finally scream at the team manager & go missing into the change rooms for vital minutes in the final quarter. Money just plainly thrown down the drain. A disgusting display.
Well done to dandenong women - a great team effort. Just shows you a championship can't be bought, it has to be earnt.

[Melb Wildcat]

you dont even need to name the player for most people to know who you mean.

[starfish]

Liz looked injured.

I thought off to the changerooms was injury related.

[Lolly_snack]

ok i know at times i seem a tad "simple" but how does jarry "NOT" win youth player of the year but win "MVP" ????? am i missing something in the cross over ???

My understanding is that Youth Players aren't restricted; Jarry was restricted so therefore ineligible.

[mama k]

Liz looked injured.

I thought off to the changerooms was injury related.

I disagree - she showed no signs of being injured. Only small heart muscle!!

Not only did she yell at her coach & team manager, but she also spent majority of the warm up time complaining to the court announcer about the selection of music - apparently it wasn't up to "grand final" standard. Maybe she should look in the mirror before going off at other people.

[opalswatcher]

also quoted on her facebook that the 'league she is playing in is sh1thouse and pathetic'.

Future of Australian basketball. SURE!

[Melb Wildcat]

Did she cry again?

Im sure she was more than happy to accept the money that she got playing in a shyt league. Maybe she will donate it to charity if thats the case.

[bandwagon_jumper]

Watched the grand final and Dandenong minus a few very average flops did a really good job.
Launceston had just too many players that did not play to anywhere near the level they can. Liz may have scored points in the game but left a lasting impression to many that she is just not a good person to have in a team. She looked bad IMO and sent a horrible message to any juniors watching. Very disappointing.

Well donr to Larissa as Dandenong certainkly the best team for most of the year.

MWC any of the top 7 tams on their day would be at home in the grand final, Kilsyth didn't get time "to gel" (your words) I don't think was an issue. If it is then maybe a question needs to be asked why they didn't gel ??

[Melb Wildcat]

My comments with Kilsyth involved having a full team that gelled. This would include having Zavecz play more than the 6 games she did. If you add her to the Cobras team I think they would have won it pretty easy.

In saying that I guess if you recruit players that have Opals commitments (like Smith also did) then you have to be ready when they are not in uniform. Maybe a better idea would be to have Smith and another WNBL player who isnt part of the Opals next season.

I wonder how many teams will persist with flayers flying in and out for games next season? It didnt seem to work well with Frankston with Dombkins, but other teams did alright with it with Manou (Cobras) and Cambage (Launceston) --although people seem to no be a fan of her attitude.

[DiggyDawg]

Well well like others I also witnessed the absolutely disgusting display put on by this certain player!! I was speechless sitting there & watching that display it made me want to grab her & shake her like the spoilt brat that she is!! I find it quite amusing that the media refer to her as the next best thing in Australian Basketball & the next up & coming Jackson & probably even better than Jackson, Pffft from what I witnessed on Saturday night I'm sorry but she is an absolute infinity away from being anything remotely close to Lauren Jackson, I can't say that I have ever seen Jackson behave like that!!I have seen an angry Jackson but never taking it out on her own team mates or her coaching staff!!

She clearly has no respect for anyone other than herself!! Made it clear she was definatly only playing at Launceston for the money & nothing else!! I'm guessing they will be elated to see the back of her!!!
God help us if she is the future of Australian Womens Basketball!!

[keeping it real]

Got to admit. I thought i had seen it all. I don't know what people are feeding cambage but there was a definate air of someone thinking they are bigger and better than the game. With the money thrown at her by launceston she should have learnt to keep her mouth shut, play the game and respect her team mates. None of which i seem at the grand final - very poor display. The girl has nothing on jackson who can run and play the court, bring team mates into a game and deliver on the big stage. Cambage runs (slowly) from one end to the other, stands directly under the net, lets her team mates do all the hard work and wants all the accolades of other peoples back. Sorry but as a player, boring to watch. Well done Dandenong, great game Larissa and co. Team over individual. Well done to Downie MVP, great final, well deserved although Cambages laughter at the announcement was all to much for me. Cambage - Lengend in her own mind.

[sizeably magic abba]

She might post that SEABL is crap but what does that say about the rest of the ladies who bust their butts every week – and get about 1/100 of the publicity at best!

She is the main reason that Launceston lost as her behaviour totally destroyed their great start. Dandenong were a TEAM - not a TEAM and one!

She is simply not a big game player see her effort in the WNBL Grand Final? She is a petulant, arrogant, immature, big noter who at best will be a novelty act before people tire of her circus antics.

One only hopes that BA saw it and cuts their losses.

Send her to the WNBA to earn some money or she could take up down hill skiing as she would certainly be good at that!

Where is her RESPECT for Desiree and Sharin - Bulleen team mates or the other hard working Launceston ladies - her friends - get me a vomit bucket!

PATHETIC!

[opalswatcher]

greatest post i have ever read on here!!

Well done.