SEABL Women

[coach_me]

The SEABL page getting a bit full. So here is who is playing where from what I have heard on the gossip lines. Players in bold are restricted

Bendigo - King, McLean (if fit) Chalmers, Finnigan and co. Wilson ?
lost - Richards

Ballarat - Lewis (Townsville) Francis (Adelaide)
Lost - Musclewhite & "Tuff"

Nunawading - O'Hea & McLeod (returning from Europe) Penaluna (Bulleen) Carr (Bulleen) Davis & Brentnall
Lost - Cunningham, Datsun, Parker

Knox - Dunlap (returning from USA) Graham (Logan) Keane (Waverley) Fryters (NW Tassie) Cunningham (D'nong)
Lost - Perera, Smith

Kilsyth - Denson (USA)
Lost - Glaubitz, Lonon

Frankston - Zavecz & Butler (Bendigo) Payne (Adelaide) Deer (D'nong) Brimingham (College & Nunawading)
Lost - Ofsoski

Albury - Edmundson & Wallbutton (both NZ)
Loss - ?

Southern Districts - Randall (Europe)
Lost - ?

Launceston - Price (Sydney & USA) Donkin (returning)
Lost - Hurst, Dalgliesh, Sinclair, Guest

NW Tasmania -
Lost - everything

Dandenong - unknown
Lost - ?

Sandringham - Perera
Lost - ?

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Knox - Dunlap (returning from USA) Graham (Logan) Keane (Waverley) Fryters (NW Tassie) Cunningham (D'nong)
Lost - Perera, Smith

Local talent :roll: When are they going to learn?

[basketballer999]

knox got julia tan back as well she was signed early on so add this to the teams nuna lost tan and knox got tan

[justlooking]

Bendigo - King, McLean (if fit) Chalmers, Finnigan and co. Wilson ? Love (Perth)
lost - Richards

Ballarat - Lewis (Townsville) Francis (Adelaide)
Lost - Musclewhite & "Tuff"

Nunawading - O'Hea & McLeod (returning from Europe) Penaluna (Bulleen) Carr (Bulleen) Davis & Brentnall
Lost - Cunningham, Datsun, Parker

Knox - Dunlap (returning from USA) Graham (Logan) Keane (Waverley) Fryters (NW Tassie) Cunningham (D'nong)
Lost - Perera, Smith

Kilsyth - Denson (USA), 1 more american to go
Lost - Glaubitz, Lonon

Frankston - Zavecz & Butler (Bendigo) Payne (Adelaide)Dover (Dand) Brimingham (College & Nunawading) , Jordan (Bulleen)
Lost - Ofsoski

Albury - Edmundson & Wallbutton (both NZ)
Loss - ?

Southern Districts - Randall (Europe)
Lost - ?

Launceston - Price (Sydney & USA) Donkin (returning)
Lost - Hurst, Dalgliesh, Sinclair, Guest

NW Tasmania -
Lost - everything

Dandenong - Probst (Dand), Todhunter (Dand), Leah Swaine (College) Benningfield (USA)
Lost - ?

Sandringham - Perera, Dombkins (Logan), Porter (O/S)
Lost - ?

[elton branded]

[quote="coach_me":3p2obup1]Knox - Dunlap (returning from USA) Graham (Logan) Keane (Waverley) Fryters (NW Tassie) Cunningham (D'nong)
Lost - Perera, Smith

Local talent :roll: When are they going to learn?[/quote:3p2obup1]

The rest of the team is local so i guess half and half is not good enough??? Your a goose, worry about your own backyard....

[elton branded]

Frankston - Zavecz & Butler (Bendigo) Payne (Adelaide)Dover (Dand) Brimingham (College & Nunawading) , Jordan (Bulleen)
Lost - Ofsoski

I hope you post the same thing UFR!!!

[basketballer999]

Knox Seabl women play Waverlys Big v Champ womens team on sunday at 2pm i think knox at full strength i think

[Knighty]

Knox were close to full strength, no Tan though. Easily beat Waverley by about 30pts.

[basketballer999]

knox didnt have caitlin cunningham as well
and sarah graham only arived that morning

[coach_me]

tips for round 1
Knox Allstars over Capless Tornadoes by 17
Reigning Champs over Bernieless Braves by 3
Brisbane Spartans (give me a break) over Still struggling Bandits by 19
Francis's Miners over the Spooks by 5
Frankston (introduce yourself to all your new team mates) Blues over Newbies Sandringham by 11
Spooks smashing the New Nongers by 23

[justlooking]

gee wonder which club your from?

And wonder which clubs you dont like??

HAHAHAHA

[coach_me]

You would be shocked. Maybe I am with a club that I dont agree with the way they provide no chance for their own players. Next round I will use more simple names then

[Homer]

You would be shocked. Maybe I am with a club that I don't agree with the way they provide no chance
for their own players. Next round I will use more simple names then
No, don't change your tips Coach.
Not only do you justify your tips with a reason but they are also amusing with the nic names you come up with.

[justlooking]

coach i like it mate dont change!!!!

[coach_me]

Well week one over and some interesting results. Thought Cunningham was a bit lucky to win layer of the week, but who can ever guess that right.

Round two

Queens of an upset Nongers to beat Lori's golden oldies by 6 (word is Lori is going to recruit Regina Days next)
upset of the week the pumped up Albury tall ferns to knock of Bendigo Bernieless Braves by 5
Francis and her gold diggers to beat the foreign squad the is frankston by 16
Knox allstars to beat the "how quickly can O'Hea and McLeod get back from Europe" Spooks by 17
Brisbane Thunder over the home grows from down south by 11
Knox chequebooks over the Franga fly ins by 19. (the real battle will be spotting someone that played juniors at one of the clubs)
Cassells nuggets over the Kilsyth "bring back Glaubitz" cobras

player of the week toss up between Francis or Lewis

[Lolly_snack]

Cassells nuggets over the Kilsyth "bring back Glaubitz" cobras

player of the week toss up between Francis or Lewis

Is Lewis back this week? She didn't play last round?

[MrCoachman]

Some interesting results in the last round, what does everyone think?

[Da Houndawg #55]

Hey-YEAH yeah yeah, Mr Coachman... *snaps fingers and sways to old r and b beat*

[MrCoachman]

not quite the response i was expecting :D

[UserFriendlyRoll]

Firstly I will say sorry for backtracking but I don't visit the SEABL Women thread all that often. I notice a dozen or so posts back that Elton Branded had a go at me regarding my comments about local content at Knox. I thought I'd make a late reply. Firstly Knox is in my backyard and Knox have a long history of stacking their teams, both men and women, with outsiders. I can't wait for the latest crop of U/14s to come through as the junior program is really doing well. might see 8 /10 locals hit the floor.
Secondly regarding Frankston, Their history is by no means as full of outside players, year after year as Knox's although Frankston have had some very good "outside" players over the years. Knox just seem to do it all the time.
It's a shame the local kids cant see a pathway to the #1 team.

[MiSs_UnDaZtOoD]

But what if they arent up to the level of the number 1 team? Push them up anyway just so there is more local content?

[franga4eva]

But wouldn't your very best juniors not be around for SEABL?
The pathway seems to be they may be at the AIS around 16, and at 17-18 off to a US college for 3 to 4 years, then if good enough playing WNBA and/or Euroleague.
And those that are left maybe aren't up to the SEABL standard.
So teams fill up with imports and the spare older players that happen to be in the mix from year to year for various reasons.
I suppose then you could wonder why the older players don't come back to their original clubs after being away - but then that could probably be explained by careers, partners and families.
SEABL (and for that matter WNBL) seems to be a very intransient competition.
And loyalty doesn't seem to be sought, encouraged or given.
I am not quite sure which end of this situation is the cart and which is the horse though?

[MrCoachman]

Some more interesting results this weekend:
-Brisbane win over Bendigo but then lose to Ballarat(without francis firing)
-Launcestan notch up a win against nunawading
-knox win another 2 but seem to rely heavily on starters/their import looks like she had a good weekend
-whats going on at frankston? all that recruiting and little to show for it
should be an interesting remainder of the season.

[Dick Bavetta]

So what happened at Nunawading with the departure of Elise Penaluna. Mike Bainbridge must have been rubbing his hands together with her signing. Now I read she has gone.

[Knox City]

word is Dandenong are trying to signed her to play for the remainder of the season

[franga4eva]

-whats going on at frankston? all that recruiting and little to show for it.
Maybe the sponsor is having a direct effect on the players? :D

That is, old, slow, drink too much, and probably have a gambling problem.
The "Frankston RSL Lady Blues" says it all really.

[the snarling dog]

Has Nunawading's Womens team won Tattslotto ? Veal (flys down from Qld each week to play) Macleod O'Hea Carr I assume wouldn't be cheap. Kitchen I was told was living in Canberra and Nunawading weren't renown for paying big dollars. WHAT DID HAPPEN to Penaluna?

[UserFriendlyRoll]

So what happened at Nunawading with the departure of Elise Penaluna. Mike Bainbridge must have been rubbing his hands together with her signing. Now I read she has gone.word is Dandenong are trying to signed her to play for the remainder of the seasonThis is what is happening now but what made Elise walk, or was she told to walk?

[ghost who walks]

Has Nunawading's Womens team won Tattslotto ? Veal (flys down from Qld each week to play) Macleod O'Hea Carr I assume wouldn't be cheap. Kitchen I was told was living in Canberra and Nunawading weren't renown for paying big dollars. WHAT DID HAPPEN to Penaluna?

Dont Believe So - Rumour has it that with Macleod and Ohea it was not about the money - more about going back to their junior club and putting back in - and of course playing together.

Guess they can fit Veal in due to Pennaluna quitting. That would definately have freed up some dollars.

As for Pennaluna quitting - heard that didnt take to kindly to some coaches criticism and had a little orange haired birdy telling her how green the grass is on the other side. Next thing you know she's in a Rangers Jacket - Go figure!

[Big Jim]

Penaluna cleared to Rangers.

[mama k]

Penaluna cleared to Rangers.

Cannot believe this - ridiculous that she has been cleared to play. Poor morals and ethics displayed by player and the ranger (read that any way you like) and the league.

Why have rules and laws if they aren't adhered to??

[the snarling dog]

What happened to Spectres with O"Hea, Carr, Davis, and Veal I thought they should be able to beat Albury???? Did some one see the game? My tips are going down the tube because some of these womens teams are very inconsistant.

[Big Jim]

Cannot believe this - ridiculous that she has been cleared to play. Poor morals and ethics displayed by player and the ranger (read that any way you like) and the league.

Why have rules and laws if they aren't adhered to??

I think because the rule would not have stood up as legal.

[theFraudulentone]

What happened to Spectres with O"Hea, Carr, Davis, and Veal I thought they should be able to beat Albury???? Did some one see the game? My tips are going down the tube because some of these womens teams are very inconsistant.

albury girls had a slow first half and looked as though spectres would cruise. Wallbutton struggled bigtime and O'Hea and Carr were fairly solid...kiwi coach must have given a fair pep talk at half time as the albury girls really came out firing on the defensive end! locked down bigtime! only person that looked threatening was Veal, but they didnt really use her that well!

was a pretty good game to watch and was great to see a very young and inexperienced team really take it to a fairly stacked team! hopefully we will see a few more wins from the lady bandits!!

would never have thought 3 kiwis would have such a big impact on a really struggling team!

[smittys07]

albury girls had a slow first half and looked as though spectres would cruise. Wallbutton struggled bigtime and O'Hea and Carr were fairly solid...kiwi coach must have given a fair pep talk at half time as the albury girls really came out firing on the defensive end! locked down bigtime! only person that looked threatening was Veal, but they didnt really use her that well!

was a pretty good game to watch and was great to see a very young and inexperienced team really take it to a fairly stacked team! hopefully we will see a few more wins from the lady bandits!!

would never have thought 3 kiwis would have such a big impact on a really struggling team!

Why not? It's not like any of them are just random Kiwis.
They've all been associated with the national team, why wouldn't they have an impact at this level?

[Andy K]

Yea! Go Albury, congrats so far on the season. Keep it up. Wallbutton is having a great season pulling down huge numbers of boards and shooting well, Adelaide must be looking forward to her joining their team in the WNBL.

[theFraudulentone]

Why not? It's not like any of them are just random Kiwis.
They've all been associated with the national team, why wouldn't they have an impact at this level?

because the lady bandits have had highly experienced players and staff, some with national team experience in all 3 of their seasons and only now are they actually lookin like a team that is worth watching!

it wasnt a dig, its just amazing how much they have transformed this club! the kiwi coach seems to be doin a great job with the local girls as well, actually gettin them to have a go for once!

its fantastic for the league!

[smittys07]

because the lady bandits have had highly experienced players and staff, some with national team experience in all 3 of their seasons and only now are they actually lookin like a team that is worth watching!

it wasnt a dig, its just amazing how much they have transformed this club! the kiwi coach seems to be doin a great job with the local girls as well, actually gettin them to have a go for once!

its fantastic for the league!

No I understand it wasn't a dig.
Pray tell though, who were the highly experienced players in years 1 and 3? And LJ doesn't count, she was there for one game. Ray Tomlinson quit after 5 games, so any experienced staff went out the window there too.
Only in year 2, with Bibby and Hurst there, did they have any experienced players, and even then, there was a player revolt and the coach (Scott Sinclair RIP) was given the flick.
They had no experienced players last year. None. OK, maybe Rachelle Sewell (Lowe) but she was coming back after having a baby. Their best player was an 18-year-old, and the coach got the best he could out of all those kids. They all had a go last year but they had limited experience and no height.

[armchair_coach]

With only 6 or 7 games to go, how do people see the finals series taking shape ? Who have been the standouts of 2009 ? who have been the big improvers ? Biggest disappoinment ?

So far I would rate the teams as :
Knox - tough team. Been a stand out but then again so they should after such heavy recruiting for their 09 team.

Brisbane - The Logan link has certainly helped them out. Really tough to beat in Brisbane and the addition of Randall gives them the best frontline in the league.

Bendigo - Starting to fall away after a strong start to the season. I reckon come finals teams will find a way to limit Wilson and Finnigan and its game over for the Braves.

Kilsyth - Coming home strong. Think they might get found wanting against the quality bigs of the league. But be silly to write them off after last year.

Ballarat - Much rests with Lewis and Francis. When they upset teams is when someone else stands up for them. Capable of beating anyone, but need more help for restricted players.

Albury - most improved team of the season. Like their game this year. Dont think they will truly go deep into finals, but certainly can see massive improvements on years gone by.

Nunawading - Disappointing to date for all spook fans. Have got a starting five that would compete in WNBL no problems. But have struggled to get wins this season. No idea what the problem is with this group ? The Hawthorn of the comp ?? Capable of winning, but just isnt

Dandenong - slip sliding away. Some may say sweet justice after luring Penaluna from Nunawading in the early part of the season. Karma is a wonderful thing :dance:

Sandringham - the could have been champions. Have great talent in their starting line up and still may make finals. But very up and down with the W's. They only all need to click and they can beat any team playing.

Frankston - For all the noise coming out of Frankston this preseason and all the recruiting they did, been very disappointing. They have struggled after a fast start. After cleaning out most of the roster, I am sure coach Carey would have been better results. Still in playoffs race.

Launceston - the only team out of the finals race. They have been able to compete this season without winning. Who knows where they would have ended up without Glaubitz coming on board. Coach Wiley will be hitting the recruiting path early for season 2010.

MVP : Denson (Kilsyth)
over Wilson (Bendigo) & Wallbutton (Albury)

[ghost who walks]

Armchair Coach, Totally agree with the Top 4 - Knox, Brisbane definately the standouts - closely followed by Kilsyth and Bendigo. Albury definately get most improved - teaming well together to get into finals. Nunawading will come home strongly now that Macloed, Ohea and Veal will be on court together. Ballarat's depth will be tested - but outside that rest are a long shot. Great to see Rangers fall from grace - karma definately a bitch - but have been without Probst and Moody for the last couple.

IMO - Final Six - no order - Knox , Brisbane, Bendigo, Kilsyth, Nunawading, Albury.

[armchair_coach]

Just wondering how the Spooks get to suit up two Opals and a captain of a WNBL team, plus Zoe Carr ??

When you consider two of the team play professionally almost 12 months a year, plus Veal who captains a WNBL team.

Just wondering ???:rolleyes:

[MrCoachman]

yeah thats right and yet people are quick to mention dandy and karma in the same sentence :confused:

[armchair_coach]

Sorry Mr Coachman but you will need to go a looooooooooong way to find some sympathy for the Rangers after the Penaluna rubbish earlier this year.

Everyone is use to nunawading finding loop holes by now :D

[ghost who walks]

armchair coach - from what i heard - macleod is not classed as a restricted player due to the European league she played in. That allows Ohea and Veal as their main Imports with Carr being a lower restricted player. More great scouting rather that finding loop holes in the system. ;)

Mr coachman- might have something to do with player injuries and avaliability than Karma. Agree with Arm chair there - no sympathy what so ever - i guess the results are speaking for themselves. Go Tornados!

[armchair_coach]

I went and watched the Kilsyth V Nunawading game last weekend. Very good game from two tough teams. Those two teams have had some great contests in the past couple of years. Who every says women's basketball is dead should watch these two teams go at it for forty minutes. One team had all the big names (MacLeod, O'Hea, Veal, Carr)and the other had Parsons and Denson leading the way for what can only be called a blue collar team.

Does anyone know if Denson has been signed by a WNBL team yet ? I mean if Price can play fr Sydney last year and Wallbutton is playing with Adelaide next year, then Denson must be a lock for one of the teams.

[Casein]

armchair coach - from what i heard - macleod is not classed as a restricted player due to the European league she played in. That allows Ohea and Veal as their main Imports with Carr being a lower restricted player. More great scouting rather that finding loop holes in the system. ;)

Just following the Rulezzz, you are allowed two restricted players, there is no "levels" of restriction, you are or aren't.

Macleod played in Hungary not on the list of countries in the rules for restriction classification.

Carr, averaged less than 35% of available court time for Bulleen.

So that would leave O'hea and Veal as only two with restricted status.

[ghost who walks]

Some big resuklts from the weekend/

Nuna got over both Sandy and Ballarat to secure 5th spot - both wins without O'Hea - and no Macleod vs Ballarat

Knox floored kilsyth - surprising when you look at who knox had missing.

Rangers over Albury - trying to stay in the hunt - to little to late

Bendigo -backon the winners list over Frankston

Interesting weekend ahead - Brisbane V Nuna - Nuna seem to be starting a put things together.

Also see reports about maybe Randalls last game for Brisbane - whats the go there?

[Homer]

The Aus Gems play Kilsyth SEABL women on Wednesday night at 7.30 at the snakepit.
Should be a good work out for both teams.
Also good to see Australia's emerging talent.

[armchair_coach]

Lets hope that the competitve Kilsyth women step onto the court. last Saturday night against Knox they were no good.

Randall's last game not sure why that is. I know there is an Opals camp around finals time which will hit a few teams hard.

[UserFriendlyRoll]

Lucky the Gems vs Kilsyth was free entry. Ouch !!! Gems defeated Kilsyth 89 - 59.

[the voice #31]

Full Kilsyth team?

[Showtime_Basketball]

No Denson for Kilsyth.
Hollie Grima filled in.

Full stats at www.kilsythbasketball.com.au

[armchair_coach]

No Denson, no Moffatt.

Dont want to call it after seeing some of last years finals series, but the Kilsyth team look like they might be finishing their finals campaign early this year. Nunawading roll them, Knox killed them and apparently last night they were not good either. What's happening out east ??? :(

[MiSs_UnDaZtOoD]

On sat against knox papavs, denson and a few others seemed too busy bitching at eachother to worry about the opposition

[smittys07]

No Denson, no Moffatt.

Dont want to call it after seeing some of last years finals series, but the Kilsyth team look like they might be finishing their finals campaign early this year. Nunawading roll them, Knox killed them and apparently last night they were not good either. What's happening out east ??? :(

Losing by 16 last night probably didn't help either ;)

[Melb Wildcat]

A very good win by Albury girls even against a below par Kilsyth team. Unfortunately for the Lady Bandits other results didnt go their way with I think Sandy winning against Brisbane. From the boxscore looks like the NZers played much better than what they did at Kilsyth. Im really liking the Albury girls team ----seem to be best mates off court too, which makes a big change from some other teams going around. Kennedy has gotten the best out of them and they are really playing like a team it seems.

[smittys07]

A very good win by Albury girls even against a below par Kilsyth team. Unfortunately for the Lady Bandits other results didnt go their way with I think Sandy winning against Brisbane. Im really liking the Albury girls team ----seem to be best mates off court too, which makes a big change from some other teams going around. Kennedy has gotten the best out of them and they are really playing like a team it seems.

It's not that Kilsyth were bad (although they missed Papavs), more that Albury never let them establish any kind of offensive rhythm.
But you're right, they very much play as a team. They probably would've preferred Dandy to have lost to Brisbane today but they're still fifth (on percentage) with two games to play.
They've got Sandy at home this week coming and then finish at Ballarat in the final round. It's going to be extraordinarily tight, if Kilsyth keep losing - although having to play Frankston, that's unlikely - it could mean there's four teams fighting for three spots.
The more likely scenario however is three teams battling for the last two spots.
Nunawading have Knox and Brisbane to play, that probably puts them behind the eight ball, whereas Dandenong have Ballarat and, crucially, Kilsyth.
You would think Dandy would beat Ballarat and Albury to hopefully (discarding any editorial objectivity I'm supposed to have ;)) beat Sandy which would almost guarantee those two teams the final spots.
Of course, that almost certainly means that none of the above will happen and it will come down to the final games!

[Melb Wildcat]

Can anyone list the percentages of the SEABL womens ladder. The seabl site lists the ladder but not the important percenatge of teams esp at this time of the season. Its almost make or break for a few teams ---Dandy, albury and Nunawading. I think Kilsyth are pretty safe.

Hope Albury make it.

[armchair_coach]

percentage doesn't materr. It is all about head to head.

Like to see Albury make it as they have done a great job this season.

As bad as Kilsyth have been in the past month you would be a brave person to say they cant do the amazing come finals as they have beaten all but Knox of the teams likely to be heading into finals.

Dandneong and Nunawading is a 50/50 thing for me. Dont want Dandenong in there for the rubbish events of Penaluna, and Nunawading have made the most out of the fact McLeod is non restricted (as stupid as a rule that a professional player can be non restricted in any semi professional league)

there is also a big battle for 2nd and 3rd with Bendigo and Brisbane.

[Melb Wildcat]

So if it comes down to head to head then -

Albury I think have beaten Nunawading boh times?

Dandy have beaten Albury both times?

Anyone know about the Nuna vs Dandy season resuls?


As Albury have a better head to head record than Nuna they really only have to win 1 more game, unless of course Nuna win both against knox and Brisbane (unlikely).

[Melb Wildcat]

Looks like Albury will make the finals. They just need to beat Ballarat next week. However if they lose and Nuna win then they will miss out as dandenong would go through ahead of them (have a better head to head with bandits).

So basically as Albury have a better h to h than Nunawading they will go through if they win.

Kilsyth are in after beating Frankston easily today.

Knox were very bad last night against Nuna though. Have not seen them play that bad in a long time. Caitlng Cunningham had a great 1st half but bad 2nd. Graham was Knox's best.

[MrCoachman]

I have to agree, we went along last night anticipating a terrific game but right from the start it was never going to be a contest. If knox do not have a good shooting night they are never going to win, their defence and their matchups are just not great. With some questionable things going on last night perhaps knox want nunawading to make finals ?!?!?
Went to the kilsyth game today, good to see they are finding some form close to the finals again.

[armchair_coach]

From what I understand all of Dandneong, Albury, Nunawading and Kilsyth can drop out of the finals. Just depends on who wins this weekend. Very exciting finish to the season.

Just to even it up I hope that any final played in Brisbane doesnt have Brisbane ref's.

Think it will end up
Knox
Brisbane
Bendigo
Kilsyth
Albury
Dandenong
and Nunawading just missing out

[Andy K]

Wow, what an awesome finish it will be, One team will be very dissapointed after this weekends round. I really hope Albury/NZ win and make the finals. It would be a huge effort if Dandy make the finals after their increadble winning run late in the season.

[Melb Wildcat]

Yeah should be a great last round in the womens league. The teams are so even this year which makes for a great finish to the year. Dandenong have started to play some good basketball at the right time of the year and if Nunawading make it I think they will be a big threat especially how they cleaned up Knox last week (albeit with Knox not having a full team).

Pretty much any team can win it this season - it just comes down to making the finals.

Might even head to Ballarat for the games this week - Miners v Albury girls and then Miners v Kilsyth men.

[rook]

Yeah should be a great last round in the womens league. The teams are so even this year which makes for a great finish to the year. Dandenong have started to play some good basketball at the right time of the year and if Nunawading make it I think they will be a big threat especially how they cleaned up Knox last week (albeit with Knox not having a full team).

Pretty much any team can win it this season - it just comes down to making the finals.

Might even head to Ballarat for the games this week - Miners v Albury girls and then Miners v Kilsyth men.

Nunawading Women were minus McLeod & Veal in their win over Knox, so far from full strength themselves.

[Melb Wildcat]

Yeah true but where Nuna won the game was that Knox had no match-up for that big girl from Nuna. Dunlap tried but was beaten every time - on rebounds and in terms of points.

Nuna are a very good team that has under performed but if they do make finals will be a very big threat.

[armchair_coach]

in a weekend thats great for women's hoops junkies. I think I will take in the Kilsyth V Dandenong game Saturday and Nunawading V Brisbane Sunday.

Anyone know why the ladder isnt just run on wins and overall percentage ? this head to head / mini ladder between 4 possible teams sounds like way too much hard work. Surely win/loss record over the season and percentage over the entire season sounds like something all fans can get their heads around.

[Andy K]

in a weekend thats great for women's hoops junkies. I think I will take in the Kilsyth V Dandenong game Saturday and Nunawading V Brisbane Sunday.

Anyone know why the ladder isnt just run on wins and overall percentage ? this head to head / mini ladder between 4 possible teams sounds like way too much hard work. Surely win/loss record over the season and percentage over the entire season sounds like something all fans can get their heads around.


Yes i agree about the percentage thing, Most other leagues and sports use percentage to determine positions, in doing this it rewards teams who play the game to the final whistle and keep their winning margings great or their losing margins close.

[Melb Wildcat]

Sounds like the Lady Bandits coach was not too impressed with Knox 'losing' last week.

In a way he has a point as I have not seen Knox play that bad in a long time. A month ago the Knox team destroyed the bandits and played hard, a complete contrast to last week.

[Andy K]

Nunawading shot at over 60% from the field, any team that shoots a percentage that high would be hard to beat.

[the voice #31]

Sounds like the Lady Bandits coach was not too impressed with Knox 'losing' last week.

In a way he has a point as I have not seen Knox play that bad in a long time. A month ago the Knox team destroyed the bandits and played hard, a complete contrast to last week.

No Fryters didn't help. With Dunlap and Cunningham outplayed by Carr and O'hea it really did leave Brentnall to her own devices as Knox really didn't have the third option on the boards like they've had all year. Take nothing from Nuna last week, they were exceptional, never seen a women's team shoot like that before.

[Melb Wildcat]

Dandenong beat Cobras tonight by a about 15 points meaning Cobras are in big danger of missing.

Finals will be decided in tomorrows games.

[Andy K]

Congrat's to Albury, The elimination final against Dandy should be a great game. Dandy did an amazing job for making the finals and will be hard to beat.

[Lolly_snack]

Congrat's to Albury, The elimination final against Dandy should be a great game. Dandy did an amazing job for making the finals and will be hard to beat.

"Amazing" I'm not quite sure that's the right word to use....!!!

Albury give them credit, Dandenong....not so sure!

[Andy K]

6 straight wins to just scrape into the finals is a good effort in my book.

[tjh085]

I thinks it got more to di with the way they went about it all.
With the whole Penaluna deal and everything like that, just seems very hollow when you compare it to the season last year where Kilsyth had a team made up mainly of juniors.
Is it just me or does it seem like clubs are just trying to buy championships? Its no point having regulations if they give acceptions to them.

Something has to be done about the reffing too, Im not just talking about the past weekend, i mean the whole season. It is really embarrasing for the refs when it becomes so obvious that they have their favorite players. I dont know how they will ever have 3 refs when they cant even get 2 that are up to scratch.

[League]

You wont have 3 refs for women anyway so i wouldnt worry about it.

[Big Jim]

"Is it just me or does it seem like clubs are just trying to buy championships? Its no point having regulations if they give acceptions to them."

Yeah, Knox have been doing it for a while now.

[Melb Wildcat]

Yeah I agree if Dandenong didnt make the finals based on their roster Id be very shocked. I expected both them and Nunawading to be dominant teams this season and its only now they are looking like a championship contending team.

Albury did an amazing job to make the finals - shows the benefits of playing like a team. The Dandenong game should be very good, but think Dandy might just be too good due to their size.

I think Brisbane are looking very shaky at the moment. Have not had the best past month. They would want to start playing a bit better soon.

[the voice #31]

"Is it just me or does it seem like clubs are just trying to buy championships? Its no point having regulations if they give acceptions to them."

Yeah, Knox have been doing it for a while now.


Boring comment, Big Jim! We've been down this road before... :)

[Big Jim]

Sorry, I must have missed the discussion

[armchair_coach]

Dont worry Big Jim. Many rules have been twisted during this season. Oh and for the record those teams that we able to get something out of the twists and changes to rules are all in the finals.

Come on Albury !!!!!!!

[ghost who walks]

[QUOTE=armchair_coach;178168]Dont worry Big Jim. Many rules have been twisted during this season. Oh and for the record those teams that we able to get something out of the twists and changes to rules are all in the finals.

So which team are we talking about twisting the rules that are in finals - the only one i see is Dandenong with Penaluna.

Please enlighten me!

[Big Jim]

Didn't Dandenong "twist" a rule that was illegal? So not really a twist?

[Dick Bavetta]

Something has to be done about the reffing too, Im not just talking about the past weekend, i mean the whole season. It is really embarrasing for the refs when it becomes so obvious that they have their favorite players. I dont know how they will ever have 3 refs when they cant even get 2 that are up to scratch.So who do you think is looking after whom? I have my ideas but I'm wondering what others may think.

[mama k]

Didn't Dandenong "twist" a rule that was illegal? So not really a twist?

You give me one example of a pro, semi-pro or domestic competition that has allowed a player to start playing for one team in a competition then quit it and go play for another in the same competition??? In any sport, it doesn't happen. This has opened for the flood gates for perhaps the junior representative competition hasn't it??

[Big Jim]

The rule was a restraint of trade. This has been accepted and the rules are being re written. In the ABA days you could always transfer in the first 60 days.

[armchair_coach]

ABA days ???? Big Jim remind me what century that was again as I forget ! What Dandenong did was poach a player of another club, and then cover it all up through "restraint of trade" But I guess if I was a WNBL club playing SEABL if I was worried about winning within the rules I would want them changed too. Ask anyone from any other team if this paints Dandenong in a good light ?

After leaving the Big V as they did and their first action in SEABL is this. Wow classy joint IMO

[Big Jim]

ABA days - lasy year. In fact the rule used by SEABL contradicted the ABA by laws.

Obviosly you know Dandenong poached Penaluna.

[armchair_coach]

Thanks Big Jim, as a matter of fact I do know thanks.

[Big Jim]

So can you detail it then because I've heard lots of different versions of this event????

[armchair_coach]

lets just say when coaching staff from one club are in the ear of a player telling them where to go and not to go it doesnt look good.

[Big Jim]

Lets just say you could jump to that conclusion but obviously you know that what doesn't look good is actual fact.

Anyhow she actually has a track record of doing this without the help of anyone in her ear!!

[upnorth]

I may have missed this in the thread somewhere but why is the Dandenong v Albury game being held at Knox?

[smittys07]

I may have missed this in the thread somewhere but why is the Dandenong v Albury game being held at Knox?

Volleyball tournament or somesuch already booked at Dandy Stadium all weekend.
Rangers offered to play the game late on Sunday evening, both Bandits and league office baulked at that.
At one stage, it appeared Albury would be hosting the game before Dandy worked out a last-minute arrangement (they had a 5pm deadline on Monday) to use the Knox stadium.

[Melb Wildcat]

You heading down to support your girls Smitty?

Should be a good game but Dandy will be very tough to beat.

[smittys07]

You heading down to support your girls Smitty?

Should be a good game but Dandy will be very tough to beat.

Would love to, but have to work tomorrow, which means I'll be covering them, albeit on Live Stats!

[Andy K]

Bad luck to the Albury girls, It must have been a very exciting game.

[Lolly_snack]

Bad luck to the Albury girls, It must have been a very exciting game.

Dandenong were up at the end of the first quarter by 6 but a great second quarter Albury levelled it up at half time and with control in the third put them in front going into the last.

Both teams missed opportunities in the final minutes, Albury to extend their lead and Dandenong to get closer & even tie it up minutes earlier; after an albury t/o dandenong with the last rushed shot & with a big three pointer on the buzzer!

Not sure what others thoughts were but was there an error prior to the made shot? No call on a fumble (possible travel) and then pass to finish the game and 'the shot'!

Great job by Albury!! The girls should be really proud for what they've achieved this year and something to build on!

[Big Jim]

Albury were terrific, well coached and played hard. Duck was great as were the NZ girls.

Saw the "fumble" but thought it was OK.

Rangers were led by Moody but I thought Penaluna struggled. Todhunter struggled with her decision making and I thought that Fitzgerald and Guest played with good intensity.

I can't see Rangers getting over Bendigo.

[Melb Wildcat]

I personally thought Todhunter travelled when she got the ball, then passed it for the open three to Moody (?) to sink Albury on the buzzer again. Albury played a great game and led by 5 points with 1.10 to go in the final quarter. However they basically choked under a Dandenong full court press in that time and made a couple of bad passes and shots.

The best for Albury was Walbutton, Duck and Smith but the whole team played good. Edmondson struggled for the game due to foul trouble so didnt really get a chance to get into the game.

Dandenong were led by Moody who dominated the game and hit a couple of three pointers and got a few boards. Dandenong had a huge height advantage in this game which meant Albury had to keep their talls on (Walbutton, Smith) for the majority of the game.

A lot of good match-ups in this game though -Duck/Todhunter, Walbutton/Penaluna and Edmondson/Moody.

Albury were unlucky to win but still did a very good job against a team with so many WNBL players. I find it a bit ironic that in the games played between Dandenong and Albury this season, it has been an Albury girl (Todhunter) who has been part of plays that have sunk Albury on the buzzer.

If Albury can keep their team together (especially the local players) they will be very good in a few years. They are all pretty young and can only get better. Im pretty sure both NZ 'imports' are returning next season.

Now if the Albury mens team can......nevermind. :p

[theFraudulentone]

bandits v dandenong was a great game! great crew there supporting the lady bandits in their first visit to the finals! the club can take a lot out of their efforts at the weekend and so can quite a few of the girls!

moody was pretty impressive...lit it up early and was a constant on the o boards...i think dandy just had a lil too much height for the lady bandits...

smith and wallbutton did a great job against the bigger moody and penaluna! smith has really stood up last 2 games and can hopefully continue that next year...was disappointing duck and edmondson got into foul trouble...could have put a different spin on the game...

just gotta look forward to 2010 season now and hopefully most of the crew can return next season...will have to find a replacement for duck though who has gone play college at Murray State this season...hopefully the 3 kiwi recommit...

just throwing it out there, but who does everyone think for MVP?

Wallbutton, Denson and Wilson would be my favourites...

[the voice #31]

just throwing it out there, but who does everyone think for MVP?

Wallbutton, Denson and Wilson would be my favourites...

Wilson will probably get it, but would love to see Wallbutton get it.

[Melb Wildcat]

Albury should be more worried about keeping their current Aussie players than the New Zealanders. Im pretty positive all the Kiwis are coming back next season but not sure about a couple of their better local players - will not name names. Without sounding too negative I think Albury missed a huge opportnity this season as they had Dandy on the ropes but failed to knock them out. Could struggle again next season, but have a lot of young (16 -19 year olds getting experience).

I think Wallbutton deserves MVP as only had a couple of poor games this season and got a 0-22 team the previous year into the finals. Id say Denson has been probably the best player, esecially for the 1st half of the year, but the Lady Cobras went from Champions to missng finals. They would want to try and get Glaubitz back next year as she was the key last season.

Knox v Brisbane should be a great game - I think Knox by 6 points though.

[UserFriendlyRoll]

18 points in favor of the Raiders. Down by about 9 in the third, they rallyed to blow the Spartans off the floor by 18.

[armchair_coach]

So nobody cares about the SEABL Women's Grand Final. Nah me either !

Will be interesting to see when the MVP and All Star 5 are announced today.

Well done to Duck on back to back Youth Player of the Year Awards
Well done to sarah Parsons on back to back Golden Hands Awards

[Lolly_snack]

Abolutely agree; great consistancy by both Duck and Parsons for the past to years! Duck I think definitely relished in having two other major focuses in Walbutton and Edmonson, still having a major influence and troubelling opponents! And Parsons runner up in Youth Player is great to see as well! Pity she may not be playing over the summer

I'm hoping it's a close one tomorrow and really not sure who I would like to win!! I think I know who I don't want to win so we'll leave it at that!

When are the All star Five and MVP being announced? Is it today or at the Cocktail party tomorrow?

[theFraudulentone]

looks like it will be tight for mvp if ya go by all star 5 votes...wilson with 19 and wallbutton and denson with 17 a piece...

should be a good game tonight though...think knox might have too much though...

[nomad]

Tonites finals will be livestreamed, starting at 5.30 for the women followed by the Men at 8pm go to www.courtlive.net and register to watch these exciting games.We hope to bring you more games both men and women live next season, if the fans will support our venture.

[theFraudulentone]

just heard that Ken Kereama of the Albury/Wodonga Lady Bandits has been named coach of the year! this is great for Ken and the club! he did an amazing job with the girls!

[Raptors-Aussie]

Who ended up winning?

[theFraudulentone]

brisbane won....they jumped out early and really blitzed the raiders...knox fought back towards the end but just couldnt get close enough...

and congrats to kelly wilson for winning mvp...she had a pretty awesome season!!!

[armchair_coach]

Great job to Donna and the Spartan's. A very popular win.

Ken Kereama deserves the coach of the year award, great job with his team.
All Star five was good as was MVP voting.

[perplexedballer]

Congratulations to the Spartans who were clearly the better prepared team - to win the title without Emma Randall suiting up is a credit to everyone involved in their program. Every one of their players played hard for each other- was great to see.

Despite this (and not taking anything away from Brisbane) surely this was a massive choke for a team nicknamed the Knox AllStars?

It was an interesting game to say the least but the Raiders did not look like their heads were in the game from the outset- and what was with some of the rotations?

I question any Head Coach who blindly follows the subs being made by his assistant when time after time they were the wrong moves!

Emily Fryters who barely seemed as if she could run without limping heavily in the warm up was playing her first game back in a long time- and despite physically not being ready went straight back into the starting 5???!!!

Anyways enough of my rant , congratulations again to Brisbane and I look forward to watching the moves in the off-season as always.

[the voice #31]

Congratulations to the Spartans who were clearly the better prepared team - to win the title without Emma Randall suiting up is a credit to everyone involved in their program. Every one of their players played hard for each other- was great to see.

It is said that a champion team will beat a team of champions any given day. They're a quality team Brisbane and they clearly play better without Randall. They just play hard for each other, stick to there offence and play great D. Schatz is an incredibly underated basketballer. She was the difference for mine.

Despite this (and not taking anything away from Brisbane) surely this was a massive choke for a team nicknamed the Knox AllStars?

I spoke to my wife about this on the way in and said if youwere trying to get a bet on them youd've probably got a $1.10. I'd say they were definitely favourites for the title.


It was an interesting game to say the least but the Raiders did not look like their heads were in the game from the outset- and what was with some of the rotations?

I question any Head Coach who blindly follows the subs being made by his assistant when time after time they were the wrong moves!

Emily Fryters who barely seemed as if she could run without limping heavily in the warm up was playing her first game back in a long time- and despite physically not being ready went straight back into the starting 5???!!!

Now when your down by 20 early enough and nothing seems to be going your way. Surely you have to try a few different things. You have to try and find the right rotations until you get a five that actually give you something. Hence the multitude of subs that happened. Surely also if you had any hope of your All Star power forward playing you'd give her a go in the last game of the season, wouldn't you?? I know i'd roll the dice!! She clearly did the right thing at half time in yanking herself out. But she's a real compettitor Fryters and she'd've just been trying to help her team.

Anyways enough of my rant , congratulations again to Brisbane and I look forward to watching the moves in the off-season as always.

Brisbane put a great game together at the time when they nedded to the most. Don't worry about Knox though. This will just fuel the fire!!

[upnorth]

Brisbane put a great game together at the time when they nedded to the most. Don't worry about Knox though. This will just fuel the fire!!

I hope you're right mate.... there have been too many minor premier Knox women's sides that haven't been able to get the job done in recent history.

[armchair_coach]

Its interesting that I think if you look back over the past few years, it has been the better team has beaten the team with the more highly touted individuals in it for the premiership.

Like most, I was very happy to see Brisbane win.

[perplexedballer]

voice If I were coaching I would of also played Emily Fryters however- considering the Raiders beat the Spartans comfortably without Emily (when the Spartans also had Randall suiting up) and seeing how she struggled big time in the warm up I would not have started her and given her as many minutes as she played. How many times did Brisbane just go baseline and step around her?!
A player coming back from a 6 week lay-off that cannot even run properly during the warm up should not walk straight back into the starting 5 of a Grand Final team.

[franga4eva]

I'm sorry to do this ... but obviously not sorry enough ...
I spoke to my wife about this on the way in ...
That is not generally what I do with my wife at that time. Dribbling seems to be the norm for me.

My thoughts on the coaching though, from one who is not much of a coach, is that with 2-1/2 minutes to go in the final quarter, just before the last 2 timeouts, the Knox combination of mainly non starters had done a fantastic job of getting them back within a few points and ready it seemed to run over the top of a flagging Brisbane.
But I thought that combination had run their race and that a change at that time was what was needed. It may have seemed risky. But reckon that was what was needed to finish Brisbane off.
Instead, I think the coach decided to reward that combination by keeping them on, which I suppose is admirable in one way, but I think it was a tactical mistake. They seemed to lose their momemtum after the first of those final 2 timeouts and never got it back.

That said, I was impressed by the Knox team hanging in there for the first 3 quarters when it seemed Brisbane were never going to miss a shot or turn the ball over.
The Brisbane team looked great - to me they played a very fast paced game - looked fast in the warmup - were constantly cutting and finishing off in offence - and moved their feet exceptionally well in defence.
Even though the defenders threw themselves at Knox shooters, they always seemed able to recover or help out quickly enough to prevent successful penetration.
Until the last half of the last quarter Knox seemed contantly under pressure when shooting and were constantly forcing difficult shots - in stark contrast to Brisbane.

[armchair_coach]

I noticed that Frankston were advertising for a new coach. Does this mean Carey is no more ??? Or are they just testing the water for someone better ?
Who is tipped to coach Kilsyth ? and Dandenong ?

Launceston & Albury have resigned their coaches and Harvey takes over at Nunawading from Bainbridge.

[franga4eva]

I noticed that Frankston were advertising for a new coach. Does this mean Carey is no more ??? Or are they just testing the water for someone better ?
As I understand it, although not yet announced, Lukas has lost both his Frankston SEABL womens coaching gig and his Frankston director of junior coaching job. And on top of all that his U14 girls team, that was runner up VC 2 years ago before his time, and a full U12 bottom age VC team the year before, went out of the U14G VC finals in straight sets (closely followed by Dandenong :-)
While some thought he should have had at least a 2nd year in the seabl job, after dethroning Ridgeway the year before, he was always going to have to to perform in year 1.
The whisper is the eniment Bill Runchey is going to return to the junior head coach role and get things back into shape !!! - assuming they ever were in shape ???
Aaaaah - franga4eva

[opalswatcher]

I think you may find the following:

* Carey was reappointed for two seasons at SEABL level but did not accept the offer due to political reasons (same ones as the last coach). Steve Blackley to be appointed in the next week or so.

* He resigned from junior director of coaching stuff mid season and Bill has been doing the basketball side of the position for at least half the season while Lukas has been doing the parent, player side. He is still taking away their under 18 USA tour team in december.

* Carey is relocating to Bendigo to be with his partner Jasmine Finnigan who plays WNBL for Bendigo.

* I believe he is coaching the under 16 girls team up there.

How amazing the rumour mill is. I reckon asking a frankston person who knows may get you the truth, but this is as close as it will get.

[franga4eva]

CORRECTION - I have no knowledge of why Lukas will no longer be the Frankston SEABL womens coach and any inference I made about any reasons was assumption by me - sorry.

[armchair_coach]

Well that takes care of Frankston's coaching position. Any word on Dandenong or Kilsyth ?

I also hear Hobart are trying hard to get a women's team in for 2010. please tell me they are going to get some players under 30 in their team this time around. The last time they played at SEABL level they were old and slow and it was ugly! :D

[opalswatcher]

My mail is:

Dandenong: John Goodman / Ben Cukier - Tough Battle there / split vote on selection panel.

Kilsyth: Return of the Fox man!!!!! Gary Fox.

[armchair_coach]

there is something new, ugly coaching appointments at Dandenong :D
Out with the old and in with the new ???

I thought Fox would be too tied up with coaching commitments of both juniors and senior women at Bulleen to do SEABL at Kilsyth as well. Who wants a coach that coaches at two clubs ??

[Homer]

CORRECTION - I have no knowledge of why Lukas will no longer be the Frankston SEABL womens coach and any inference I made about any reasons was assumption by me - sorry.
So somebody down there chewed your ass and threatened legal action huh !!!!

[armchair_coach]

Homer, do tell. What do you know ?

[Homer]

Homer, do tell. What do you know ?
Sorry to get your expectations up.
I don't know anything but the wording of franga4eva's post seems out of character.
It appears to me like a retraction.
Then again, I may be wrong.

[franga4eva]

Yes it was a retraction.
And there were no threats made.
But someone with the facts pointed out to me that I was making stuff up - and they were right - so it was only right that I corrected it.
And I need to be a little more careful in future.

[opalswatcher]

Some appointments expected to be announcd in the next week or so.

Dandenong - Dean Kinsman
Kilsyth - Ed Dunstan
Bendigo - Paul Obrien
FRankston - Steve Blackley

Peoples thoughts??

[armchair_coach]

Opalwatcher

Kinsman is a good get.
Dunston is doing D League again.
Why O'Brien ??? what happened to Moule ?
Blackley was always on the cards


Some appointments expected to be announcd in the next week or so.

Dandenong - Dean Kinsman
Kilsyth - Ed Dunstan
Bendigo - Paul Obrien
FRankston - Steve Blackley

[opalswatcher]

Conrats to cheryl chambers who has been apppinted coach of the SEABl woman at Kilsyth.

Well done cheryl!!

[the voice #31]

Conrats to cheryl chambers who has been apppinted coach of the SEABl woman at Kilsyth.

Well done cheryl!!


F***ing great appointment!!! Same with Kingsman at Dandenong. Two very good coaches and great to see them in the SEABL.

[opalswatcher]

So that leaves Bendigo and frankston.

[armchair_coach]

You have good sources Opalswatcher. I am getting nothing from Kilsyth people on Chambers. But good get for them, she should be able to get some extra talent in uniform for 2010.

[UserFriendlyRoll]

You have good sources Opalswatcher. I am getting nothing from Kilsyth people on Chambers. But good get for them, she should be able to get some extra talent in uniform for 2010.
He certainly does have good sources ............. ME.
Cheryl announced as Kilsyth SEABL women's coach.Refer to the "Congrats Bullen" thread in the WNBL section. Beat him to it by an hour (7.28pm)

[opalswatcher]

Oh sorry mate didnt realize it was a competition. Didnt actually use you as a source. A Kilsyth player and coach told me.

Well done on 'BEATING ME' to it!! you are my hero, as im sure the hero of many others.

[Melb Wildcat]

Lady Cobras seemed to struggle big time without Glaubitz last season. They seemed to only have Denson who could score. Parsons and Papavs are good defensively but didnt put huge points on the board. They really need anoher scorer to help out if they are to get better.

Id be targeting her.

[UserFriendlyRoll]

Oh sorry mate didnt realize it was a competition. Didn't actually use you as a source. A Kilsyth player and coach told me. Well done on 'BEATING ME' to it!! you are my hero, as im sure the hero of many others.
Sorry Opalswatcher, being the internet, you can't see my tongue firmly placed in my cheek. Didn't mean anything by it but I'm chuffed that I'm your hero ;P

[ghost who walks]

Coaching Whispers - Chalmbers to Kilsyth - Great Pick up - will definately bring in some fresh blood.

Bendigo - ?? - Carey is moving up to coach their U16 - Maybe??

Franksotn - Blakely seems to be the front runner

Dandenong - Kinsman to miss (Good Decision) in replace of ex Nunawading Coach

Interesting next season

[opalswatcher]

Larissa cavanagh to coach Dandenong SEABL

[Casein]

Larissa cavanagh to coach Dandenong SEABL

The assistants are going to be important in that case..who are they.

[armchair_coach]

Knowing Dandenong there will be plenty of assistant coaches as they usually make up half the bench. Tough job though as usually you have one eye on the game and one seeing who is behind you :D

[opalswatcher]

Marissa Filipou - Frankston
Jeremy moule to be reappointed to bendigo
Melbourne to push for SEABL entry - Paul Simpson head coach
Waverley pushing for entry to SEABL - John Goodman to coach

[armchair_coach]

Marissa would be an interesting get as a coach. Might help with some recruiting with that link to ex AIS girls.

Cannot understand why Moule would not have been an automatic for the Bendigo job. He did pretty well last season.

[opalswatcher]

Congrats to Jeremy Moule who will be announced coach monday after behind doors meetings have fixed the issues both parties were having.

Well done jeremy!!

[armchair_coach]

Well done Jeremy. Must have been some big issues from his first season as it has taken a while for his reappointment.

[opalswatcher]

Stop the press.

My mail was completely incorrect! There has been no reappointment.

Apparantly interviews were held / are being held in the past few days or next couple of days.

Anyone else with some feedback or info here???

Its the last coaching job to be filled.

[armchair_coach]

I hear a whipser or two that if Jeremy doesn't get it, it will be someone else with recent SEABL coaching experience taking over the reigns with the Braves.

Also whispers of a few teams out their recruiting pretty hard at the moment. Will no tbe long I wouldn't think before some names start appearing on the SEABL website.

[franga4eva]

Some appointments expected to be announced in the next week or so. Frankston - Steve Blackley

There seems to be a trend with some of your predictions :D

[opalswatcher]

your right franga i have to start questioning my sources a bit more!!

I do agree that some teams are recruiting hard. Especially the ones with CASH!!!

[armchair_coach]

Apparently Fort Knox has signed - resigned up to 6 or 7 of their playing roster for 2010.

[opalswatcher]

and has thrown some massive cash at parsons and also probst!

[armchair_coach]

ahhhh Opalswatcher we may have some of the same sources! I am hearing very much the same thing.

[Melb Wildcat]

Probst is great to watch.

[UserFriendlyRoll]

and has thrown some massive cash at parsons and also probst!I can't see Parsons leaving Kilsyth. She has been there for all her junior domestic and junior rep career. The roots go pretty deep.

[Melb Wildcat]

Money talks though especially in ABA. Its not like going to Knox is going to be much further to go to training etc anyway. Is Parsons in the WNBL this season?

[The Grenade]

why dont they all go through there own development than looking outside

it happens in all aba teams look all for the star players maybe they could play there own to see where there development is through from juniors

[UserFriendlyRoll]

Say what ??? Interpreter please.:confused:

[The Grenade]

im saying why do teams go for the big signings than using juniors instead they pick up players then there own get less minutes and dont get much of a go

[Melb Wildcat]

It comes down basically because teams want to win!

I mean look at a team like Knox where most of their star players are from other associations like the imports, Payne, Rigby etc. If they had Knox juniors in their roles then they would struggle.

Kilsyth generally have a lot of Kilsyth juniors in their team and a few outside stars like imports.

[Bugz]

Weather we like it or not it is a professional league and each team is run as a business. Win and you make money lose and you don't.

[opalswatcher]

not necesarily.

It will be interesting to all of you that many teams who have previously had quotas of junior player numbers have dropped them. Will be interesting to see how they operate this season.

[Melb Wildcat]

Kilsyth have been generally pretty good in sticking with its junior players in the past. Now most of those players have been farewelled and many other teams stacking their teams with NBL players and imports, it wouldnt surprise me to see kilsyth have more outside players.

the rule of having local players on teams seemed to work in the past when the ABA season was on at the same time as the NBL. Then teams would have an import or two with basically local talent surrounding them. There seems to be a bit more coin around these days though.

[armchair_coach]

If anyone has watched the past three women's grand finals, it has been the more heavily talented teams that have fallen short. Recruit heavily is a quick fix to an club not developing enough juniors, or a coach not wanting to take the time to delevop the clubs junior talent. I think we all kow good and bad examples of this.

Melb Wildcat, I think that the rule of Kilsyth players in the Kilsyth teams will be stretched even further this coming season. Even more so with the men's team.

The problem (The Grenade) is simply that coaches and clubs want to win. Coaches will live and die by their coaching record and to get a good record, sometimes recruiting is required.

[The Grenade]

didnt kilsyth seabl women do it a few seasons ago they wernt the best team going around but they played there own and worked out

[Melb Wildcat]

When Kilsyth made the Nationals they had an import (Lonon). I think apart from her most of them were Kilstyh juniors.

Kilsyth I think might have more outside players this season. They already have 3 (Shanahan, Henderson and lockett) so they will build the team around those guys. Im guessing Tim Lang should also be back, unless he has to play BIGV Tigers. Would like to see Matt Gange play for Kilsyth too as I think his game style suits kilsyth.

[franga4eva]

Since when did they start playing in the womens team? :confused:

[Melb Wildcat]

you didnt hear about their operation? :p

[opalswatcher]

bendigo job announced. Interesting.

[Loz]

Weather we like it or not it is a professional league and each team is run as a business. Win and you make money lose and you don't.

Don't know what club you're from Bugz but winning does not equate to more money, most SEABL clubs have their programs heavily subsidised by their domestic competitions and looking at the Knox sides over the past couple of seasons that subsidy looks to be climbing significantly.

[velvet Sledgehammer]

Don't know what club you're from Bugz but winning does not equate to more money, most SEABL clubs have their programs heavily subsidised by their domestic competitions and looking at the Knox sides over the past couple of seasons that subsidy looks to be climbing significantly.

Apparently subsidy raised through Junior Rep program with fees for 2010 up by 20% on previous year

[the voice #31]

bendigo job announced. Interesting.

Who is it?

[armchair_coach]

Lukas Carey appointed to Bendigo. That pretty well covers all teams. Now we wait for the frenzy that is the recruitment period. Be interesting to see who does how much recruiting. Where will Caitlin Cunningham play this season ???

[franga4eva]

you didnt hear about their operation? :p

So is that what the basketball operations manager does

[franga4eva]

Apparently subsidy raised through Junior Rep program with fees for 2010 up by 20% on previous year
There has always been a rumour down at Frankston, and I should repeat it is only a rumour as far as I know, that tens of thousands of dollars have gone missing from the junior blues program, with the suspiscion always being that it was re-directed to the SEABL team (although it probably wouldn't have been the women so I am off topic).
There was a junior blues committee a few years back that asked a few too many questions about the matter, which is apparently why they were sacked mid season.
So not everyone is necessarily up front about how they fund their SEABL teams.
That said though, Frankston do not charge a door entry to domestic, and they are not unreasonable about their team sheet costs, which is one of the very few things I like about what they do.

[armchair_coach]

All SEABL clubs have different ways of funding their teams. Some obvious and some not so obvious. I doubt if any of the teams work under the same budgets though, but I am glad that the biggest budget doesnt always mean you have a succesful team. As the Knox women from 2009 OUCH !!!!!

[opalswatcher]

parsons to knox, Kunik to frankston, Carly Wilson to Nunawading, Ashby to ballarat.

Lock these in eddie.

[armchair_coach]

Would be shocked if Parsons went to Knox.
Wilson has strong ties now to Nunawading with Harvey coaching.
Ashby will make Ballarat dangerous if they add two quality players with her.

[The Grenade]

be interesting next season every season gets better and better in the womens competition

[armchair_coach]

Your right, every season seems to be tougher. I think there will be some teams certainly much better than 2009 and will play finals, and on the other side of the coin, I think a few teams might be in for a tough season that have been around finals in recent years.

[franga4eva]

parsons to knox, Kunik to frankston, Carly Wilson to Nunawading, Ashby to ballarat.
Lock these in eddie.

Not sure what eddie means or if it is refering to me, but you can rest assured I'll be keeping the report card up to date. We can't have inaccurate information being posted on these boards ;)

[opalswatcher]

you are the standard franga we are all striving to meet!! hahaha

[Lolly_snack]

Looks like there's going to two games on the Apple Isle again....haven't seen anything on SEABL yet though??

http://hobartchargers.com.au/main/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=186&Itemid=53

[armchair_coach]

That will be good to expand women's comp some more. A team out of Canberra would be good as well IMO.

[Melb Wildcat]

I like the idea to expand the women's competition but not if we are going to have teams like Albury (in past seasons) who end up losing all their games. Although Albury had a bit of success this past season it had more to do with the NZ players and coach being there.

[theFraudulentone]

I like the idea to expand the women's competition but not if we are going to have teams like Albury (in past seasons) who end up losing all their games. Although Albury had a bit of success this past season it had more to do with the NZ players and coach being there.

think the biggest thing for albury this year apart from the 3 kiwis, was finally gettin everyone on the same page with the womens program...i think it was finally done right for once and that lead to some success, along with managing to attract an extremely talented coach and 2 quality imports...now if only they can get that done on the mens side too...

[smittys07]

I like the idea to expand the women's competition but not if we are going to have teams like Albury (in past seasons) who end up losing all their games. Although Albury had a bit of success this past season it had more to do with the NZ players and coach being there.

Gee, that's a bit harsh MW. And yeah, I might be a little biased, living here and all but I think I can objectively comment on their progression, given I've seen probably 98% of their home games in their time in the league ;)
Go through the seasons, yeah, they struggled in year 1, but that's to be expected for a team in its first season with absolutely no import players (except for LJ in the first game). Year 2, they had Bibby and Hurst and probably under-achieved, but having three different coaches in one season will do that. Year 3 was a massive struggle but they had no import players (they had no money either) and probably were unlucky not to win a couple of games. Year 4 they make the playoffs and were desperately unlucky not to beat Dandy in the final. I would have thought that was a fairly reasonable progression for a team that was started from scratch.
Yeah they relied on their imports, what team in that league doesn't though? And remember, they were still under-sized against some of the really big teams.
The challenge now for them is to build on that, they'll need a replacement for Duck, but I understand they're working on that.

[Homer]

The local talent quite often need strong support to improve.
As Albury are very isolated, they need help to improve their local players.
The New Zealand players are their experienced help.
Many metro clubs take advantage of our WNBL talent.
I don't see much difference.
Good luck Albury in your rebuilding / development phase.

[Melb Wildcat]

Smitty yeah Im tough on Albury. I love the girls team and support them. However now that Duck has left there will again be a big hole in the team. They have no other PG to play the position (part of the reason Dandenong beat them with a full court press) apart from Blair (more a SG), Collins (very small), and Stevens (very inexperienced, not much court time last season but has got potential).

The front court looks good though with Walbutton, Edmondson and Smith.

A Todhunter type player (also from albs) would be a great fit, but think she will be required at Dandy.

I support the Albury gals team in SEABL Smitty. I just think they might struggle at guard without Duck who is almost a potential WNBL player.

So Smitty no Lockett this season? Whats your opinion on that?

Welcome back to the boards too.

[armchair_coach]

IMO the Albury women's team have done a great job with all that has gone on there. I mean they were going through so many coaches there for a while then Al did a great job in spending twelve months sinking time into the local content and keeping the program afloat. In the last four years they have built a good base to add some quality players and make a good prolonged run in the finals. 2009 was a really big step forward for the club. Duck will be a huge loss, but there are players around who will fill that role.

I am wonderign if many of the coaches are taking notice that the most recent teams to win championships (and are well supported) have been made up of mostly local content and not a heavily recruited team. Hmmmm I wonder if there is anything in the old saying a champion team beats a team of champions ???

[Melb Wildcat]

So armchair coach who on the current Albury roster do you think will fill the role left by Duck? The bench guards are all very inexperienced and barely got court time last season. Ken seemed to play a 7 girl rotation for the most part with Blair/Edmonson playing PG when Duck was subbed out.

Al McCowan managed to get court time into the girls. The team he had was almost made up of all local players and they were all young (i think they had a 31 year old though). He got some of them game time and experience.

When ken took over he lost about 5 players of the team from the past season due to various reasons. He did manage to keep a decent core of them though and also added 2 very good players due to his connections.

I wonder if Ken's connections would be good enough to get marino lol.

Id love to see Albury girls go well again, but it appears many of the other teams have added players (easy to add players in city teams than in a place like Albury) and I think they will struggle nless they get someone of note at PG.

[armchair_coach]

Wildcat

Replacement for Duck hmmm I will say they will get Toddhunter back with the Bandits for 2010. They have nobody local, but have the ability to recruit a player as they have become more professional. I dont think they have any hope of getting Marino out of Adelaide. But this is just my opinion.

I think they could get a reasonable package together for a good locally classed player to get someone there.

I would love to see Albury do well but they need a PG and possibly one more key player. But in saying that love their locals Smith & co.

[smittys07]

Smitty yeah Im tough on Albury. I love the girls team and support them. However now that Duck has left there will again be a big hole in the team. They have no other PG to play the position (part of the reason Dandenong beat them with a full court press) apart from Blair (more a SG), Collins (very small), and Stevens (very inexperienced, not much court time last season but has got potential).
The front court looks good though with Walbutton, Edmondson and Smith.
A Todhunter type player (also from albs) would be a great fit, but think she will be required at Dandy.
I support the Albury gals team in SEABL Smitty. I just think they might struggle at guard without Duck who is almost a potential WNBL player.
So Smitty no Lockett this season? Whats your opinion on that?
Welcome back to the boards too.

lol, I never left, just not posting a lot these days, have to keep a low(er) profile.
No, no Lockett. There's 2 sides to every story I guess and Alb apparently had concerns abt his knee. From what I understand, they're looking at 2 imports again for next year and just the kids locally.
So they're def going to need 2 bigs and they prob had a concern that dez might have been a little under-sized at the 4. But he led the league in rebounding you say. True, but he also was occasionally over-powered by the bigger pivots in the league. I have no doubt it's all a bit complicated but these things happen and life goes on.
It's a big loss no doubt and he's a tough replacement. I hope he goes well at the Snakes, he's a nice guy.
If anything, the ideal combo would be something like Eric Smith and Jermaine Williams ... but Smith would need a full medical clearance.

Replacement for Duck is being lined up, the quiet word is encouraging anyway! Nothing blockbuster but a solid player, possibly two.

[Melb Wildcat]

Dez should be able to play more sg/sf at Cobras as they should have height that Albury didnt. Im sure Williams will return for Albury as he did some good things, but dont think Eric Smith would be considered.

The PG Albury get should be interesting as it will play a big part in how their season goes overall. Cannot really think of anyone available who the Bandits could sign.

I doubt it would be Todhunter - Got Dandy commitments with their ABA team.

[armchair_coach]

IMO the pear shaped season that is the Dandenong rangers will spill over to their SEABL team. I do hear whispers of Toddhunter returning back to Albury, which would be good for both of them I think.

Albury cant sign anyone restricted as their NZ pairing take both those spots. So at best someone that plays no more than 20 minutes a game.

But agree wildcat not many about to choose from.

[smittys07]

Dez should be able to play more sg/sf at Cobras as they should have height that Albury didnt. Im sure Williams will return for Albury as he did some good things, but dont think Eric Smith would be considered.

All I'm saying is that I wouldn't rule it out ...

[Melb Wildcat]

Albury has had enough bad luck in the past fews years with people in the organisation having heart attacks, strokes, knee injuries and even dying :o

[smittys07]

Albury has had enough bad luck in the past fews years with people in the organisation having heart attacks, strokes, knee injuries and even dying :o

To be fair, Blair had her stroke before she came here (and Sinclair (RIP) died after he left), but your point is well made ;)

[armchair_coach]

All clubs have their share of off court sickness and on court injuries. Kilsyth women won the year club stalward Hugh McMenamin passed away.

getting a team through the season carrying injuries is a part of coaching. No injuries or sickness accounts for the multiple changes of coaches for teh Albury women and this IMO is why they struggled a little early on. The Bibby and Hurst experiment just didn't work and then Al cleaned house and worked with the local content for a year.

I am looking forward to the Lady Bandits pushing into the top four in 2010.

[Melb Wildcat]

Yeah the Hurst/Bibby 2 for 1 package (thats what my WNBL mate calls it) simply didnt work and probably held the team back in it developmnt with Bibby throwing up 25 shots a game.

If the Albury girls team make the top 4 I will personally give them $500 to spend at the bar, as it simply will not happen. Just making finals again would a successful season now.

I dont think Al cleaned house anymore than what ken did. They both lost about 5 players when they took over for various reasons. Albury will lose a lot of their 18 years olds to university and jobs in Melbourne.

Smitty just a question for you.....A girl named Cincurik (not sure of spelling) lookks like a decent player but rarely plays, why is that? saw her play and thought she wasnt too bad.

[smittys07]

Yeah the Hurst/Bibby 2 for 1 package (thats what my WNBL mate calls it) simply didnt work and probably held the team back in it developmnt with Bibby throwing up 25 shots a game.
If the Albury girls team make the top 4 I will personally give them $500 to spend at the bar, as it simply will not happen. Just making finals again would a successful season now.
I dont think Al cleaned house anymore than what ken did. They both lost about 5 players when they took over for various reasons. Albury will lose a lot of their 18 years olds to university and jobs in Melbourne.
Smitty just a question for you.....A girl named Cincurik (not sure of spelling) lookks like a decent player but rarely plays, why is that? saw her play and thought she wasnt too bad.

Brooke Cincurak, yeah, she's got some potential, she's very young, only 17 (I think) or thereabouts but def part of the future for that squad.
There's a group of kids coming through, her, Emma Mahady, Mikaela Merrilees, Monique Stevens, Tahnee Cannan, Lauren Ostle who will all play a big part in the future success of the team if they continue to develop.
Brooke, Mikaela, Tahnee and Lauren were the Lady Bandits development players this season, they trained with the team all year and on occasion would suit up for games, hence Brooke only playing in a few games. But they're all working their way in.

[armchair_coach]

Wildcat "If the Albury girls team make the top 4 I will personally give them $500 to spend at the bar, as it simply will not happen. Just making finals again would a successful season now."

You are selling the group short. There is no success in a season if they finish around where they did in 09. They need to target top four finish and a grand final the following season.

I think there will be teams like Albury that inch forward in 2010, some will surge forward, others will drop off and some that played finals will not return there in 2010.

[smittys07]

Wildcat "If the Albury girls team make the top 4 I will personally give them $500 to spend at the bar, as it simply will not happen. Just making finals again would a successful season now."
You are selling the group short. There is no success in a season if they finish around where they did in 09. They need to target top four finish and a grand final the following season.
I think there will be teams like Albury that inch forward in 2010, some will surge forward, others will drop off and some that played finals will not return there in 2010.

I think top four would prob be a little ambitious (not that there's anything wrong with ambition, you just have to be realistic) at this stage.
You have to remember that this was a team that probably over-achieved more than any other last season. I'm not saying they can't do that again, no doubt they'll have more confidence that they can close games out, but replacing Duck with a player of equal or greater ability is an absolute if they want to make finals again.
They simply don't have the money to go out and get a high-priced recruit that would put them over the top but if they can get a couple of solid WNBL role players (unrestricted obviously) then yeah, they should be thinking top-6 or even top-5. But top-4? I don't know about that, unless someone like Smith comes out and starts consistently scoring 15 points a game. She's done that sporadically, just needs to find that consistency.

[armchair_coach]

I hear what your saying, but you have to aim high as that creates good culture. I reckon that a replacement for Duck will be found in time and an extra big will really help. I like Smith's game and my little brother likes Smith but for other reasons (boys!!!). She has improved each season she has played.

[Melb Wildcat]

I do not believe Im selling the lady bandits short. As Smitty said i believe they over-achieved last season big time. They finished the year pretty well (except for getting spanked by Knox) and lost the laughing stock tag they had for so long. I know a fair bit about the bandits as my aunty was a scorer for them and know they cannot compete in terms of $, players move to melbourne for uni or work and it is a pretty remote place to move to.

Knox, Spartans, Nunawading and Bendigo are almost certain to be Top 4 in the ladies. Then you still have Kilsyth, Dandy and Sandy who should be competitive.

I personally believe the lady bandits really have to just make finals to be successful as it will keep people interested. The bench is the big worry for the bandits - if they can get somone off the bench to get 8 points or so a game they will be in business. A starting 5 of walbutton, edmondson, smith, blair and a new PG (Todhunter ---doubt it though) looks good. The bench doesnt.

I agree Smitty some of those 17 years olds for Albury have potential if they stick around. Mahady also looks good.

[theFraudulentone]

albury still has to hope edmondson and wallbutton actually return for the 2010 season...nothin has been announced yet...fingers crossed they do come back, otherwise coach might have to try get a couple of other tall ferns over...

does anyone know if there is a chance seabl will remove the import status for kiwi's?? its been done in wnbl, figured it could be a chance for seabl...

[Melb Wildcat]

The coach told me that both 'imports' are returning. I believe he said kiwis stick together and I believe one is dating a male bandit which definately helps the cause.

[armchair_coach]

Kiwi's being classed as locals only came about as they have (had) teams in our National league. but you cant have lpayers that represent their country as non restricted at SEABL level.

Apart from Albury, what is the goss on the other teams ?

[opalswatcher]

launceston have signed Sharon milner, Desi Glaubitz and Sarah parsons

Dandenong have signed Claire papavs

Ballarat have signed Andrea Walsh

Bendigo have signed Kerryn Harrington

Sandringham have signed nicole hunt

[armchair_coach]

So Kilsyth are going to have to do some major shopping about then by the looks of that if both Parsons and Papavs are gone.

Walsh to Ballarat is an interesting move.

Looks like Launceston are getting serious this coming season. Pretty handy 1-2-3 line up.

[UserFriendlyRoll]

Why would Papavs and Parsons leave Kilsyth when Cheryl Chambers is taking over the reins? What's going on over there to make two long time players walk? Maybe Melb. Wildcat can fill us in.

[Melb Wildcat]

I guess Papavs left to join dandenong for obvious reasons. The Dandy ABA team is basically the WNBL 'reserves' in many ways so Id say its to be more involved in the Dandy system with other players from the WNBL team. Im sure Kilsyth will be able to draw a few decent names due to the coach.

I personally felt both Papavs and Parson had got a bit 'stale' at Kilsyth and a change might do them both good.

Launceston looking pretty good so far.

[armchair_coach]

Launceston have gone pretty hard and are setting themselves up for a finals run if they can all gel together.

My info out of Kilsyth is that Parsons and Papavs have been happy to play there in the past. Papavs MVP of finals in 08 and Parsons golden hands winner last year so I dont think 'stale' would fit their results. But obviously when you look at the men's team clean out and with some big names leaving the women's team something is not right out east.

Awaiting to hear how many ex AIS girls are heading to Frankston

[Melb Wildcat]

Papavs 2008 ----17.1 ppg, 44%fg, 6.3rb/g, 2 ass ----team won SEABL Championship.

Papavs 2009 ----9.2ppg, 35%fg, 4.5rb/g, 1.5ass ----team missed finals.

The statistics definately dropped off sufficiently this season. She was injured for a part of the season but for a young player's stats to drop off like that in ABA to me means they need a change.

Parsons 2008 ----13ppg, 43%fg, 10rpg, 5ass -----team won SEABL Championship

Parsons 2009 -----11.3ppg, 30%fg, 9.5rpg, 5.4ass -----missed finals.

Parsons stats also fell, with the exception of assists that rose by .4 a game. The big difference is the fg % in the past season dropping a whopping 13% overall.

The team had Denson as their go to player (Glaubitz was the teams best in 2008, while Lonon was more a role player). The stats either tell us that they became stale or that Klsyth really missed Glaubitz.

[armchair_coach]

I would say missed Glaubitz badly. I am unsure as to the reason why she left Kilsyth, but she was the difference in them going deep into another finals. Stats say that neither Parsons or Papavs were really to fill the void left by Glaubitz

[Melb Wildcat]

Id say Denson would of equaled the loss of Glaubitz. The Cobras didnt really dominate in 2008 until late in the season, which was the complete opposite to the past season where they lost most at the end and it allowed Albury to make the finals ahead of them.

In 2008 they had Lonon off the bench towards the end of the season for some offence, while this season they didnt really get much apart from katy Werner occassionally.

[armchair_coach]

I think if the gossip is right and they have lost Parsons and Papavs, then they will need another quality player to go alongside Denson.

I think 2009 will go down for the Kilsyth team as one where they wished they had Glaubitz in their team. If anyone knows why she left it would be good to know. Also why Parsons and Papavs are leaving this year.

I rate only Knox as having a more disappointing season than Kilsyth. That was because they recruited a lot of players to win last season and choked at the end.

As I said interesting times for the Kilsyth teams (men and women) in 2010 with all teh player loses.

[Melb Wildcat]

If Knox can retain their team then Im sure they would be early title favourites. Fryters not being fit I think at the end really cost Knox at the end. Probably shouldnt of played, but hindsight is a great thing. I personally thought Sandringham should of done much better with their players as well. They had a few good WNBL players and didnt win many games.

I think you know in part why Glaubitz didnt play for Kilsyth Armchair. I also think she was going to sit out the year to recover/rest, but changed her mind and joined Launceston.

[Jackie Moon]

I would say missed Glaubitz badly. I am unsure as to the reason why she left Kilsyth, but she was the difference in them going deep into another finals. Stats say that neither Parsons or Papavs were really to fill the void left by Glaubitz

I'm not so sure about that. Glaubitz had a great finals series, but far from dominated the home-and-aways season during 2008. The aquisition of Denson, however, changed Kilsyth's whole dynamic, with Parsons, Moffatt and Papavs all forced to change roles from the year before, which didn't appear to suit. Glaubitz appeared to be happy playing a role for Kilsyth, dominating when she was hot and stepping aisde for someone else when she wasn't, while Denson didn't appear that way inclined.

[MrCoachman]

If Knox can retain their team then Im sure they would be early title favourites. Fryters not being fit I think at the end really cost Knox at the end. Probably shouldnt of played, but hindsight is a great thing. I personally thought Sandringham should of done much better with their players as well. They had a few good WNBL players and didnt win many games.

I think you know in part why Glaubitz didnt play for Kilsyth Armchair. I also think she was going to sit out the year to recover/rest, but changed her mind and joined Launceston.

I dont think thats the reason all of the ppl msging eachother around MSAC thought that knox lost...

[opalswatcher]

i agree. maybe the wrong person is still there. How many men are involved with that team?? maybe one needs a subbing lesson?

[Melb Wildcat]

You think Heath Anderson is the wrong guy?

I personally like him as a coach. I wasnt able to attend the MSAC finals due to time and it being in the city so cannot really comment. I do know fryters played, she she probably shouldnt of though. The Knox team still improved on the past season, albeit with some big recruits.

[franga4eva]

Professional jealousy?

[the voice #31]

So if Glaubitz and Milner have gone to Launceston, what's the connection?? Lisa Pardon maybe?

Maybe Chambers has cleaned house at the Snake Pit, it's not like she wouldn't have any connections?? Maybe she can go bigger and better?? Who knows?

As for the Grand Final... Question all you want the coaching. Truth is Spartans are a very good team and Knox are a very good team, one team happened to play much better than the other one, on that night. That's the luck of it with a one game final series. If you don't bring your A game when you need to, it sux but it won't be your title.

Heath's the right man for the job you can bet your bottom dollar on that.


Professional jealousy? That's funny ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!

[Melb Wildcat]

I agree I like Heath Anderson. He is not only a good coach for the team but also a very good personality for the club. He gets to know the people who attend games and goes out of his way to do it. Not many other coaches do that --I attend a lot of games.

spartans nearly beat Knox 2 weeks before the final. The Spartns just gave the game away after leading by about 13 or so points. Knox came back in that game and won by a fair bit. Unfortunately for them the same didnt happen in the Final.

[opalswatcher]

i would love to make a grand final so yeah i am jeleous!!! haha

[MrCoachman]

Im not saying i dislike coach anderson just simply stating their was some 'interesting' decisions made in particular at the grand final. I believe a large part of that was the substitutions but im not sure if he was the one making the calls?

[theFraudulentone]

have heard sandringham have picked up a couple of quality wnbl players this season...im guessing porter isnt returning?

[Melb Wildcat]

If Porter doesnt return then Domkins won't be either :)

[opalswatcher]

both are staying in sydney, romeo staying in canberra to play as is perrera. Hunt is now a sabre. they have thrown some big cash at a couple of bigs round the league with t. smith and tolo being the targets!

[theFraudulentone]

have heard a couple of lightning players are on the sabres radar as well...

[opalswatcher]

Apparantly Bishop off to either bendigo or ballarat! Interesting.

[Mixingitup]

Im not saying i dislike coach anderson just simply stating their was some 'interesting' decisions made in particular at the grand final. I believe a large part of that was the substitutions but im not sure if he was the one making the calls?

From what I heard 'interesting' would be a little understated. Regardless of who made the calls, and the result, it has paid off as Anderson got another go at it in 2010 and his assistant is now the Head Coach of Knox's D League Womens Team!!! Should be interesting to see what comes of these decisions in terms of development between D League and SEABL. I believe the new D league Coach at Knox has bitten off more than he can chew... as did Anderson throughout the Grand Final last season

[opalswatcher]

Anyone else know whats is happening at each of the teams in the girls comp?

[cheapseats]

Be very shocked if Bishop goes to Bendigo.

Glaubitz played with Launceston previously and that is the link. Milner is a close friend of Glaubitz so she is playing with them as well.

Heath Anderson : well he made a grand final in his second season which is a big effort. Helped that it was a heavily recruited team, but never the less he made a grand final. Did subbing cost him the game ? well that is a case of everyone to their own opinion.

Voice 31 asks "Maybe Chambers has cleaned house at the Snake Pit, it's not like she wouldn't have any connections?? Maybe she can go bigger and better??"
Voice I say to you that she hasn't moved any players on, they have all left on their own. From what I know the restristed positions haven't been finalized as of yet. As for moving onto bigger and better things, my memory tells me they won the SEABL title in 2008. But it is hoped that she can repeat the acheivements of of that team.

Watch for Frankston and Launceston to climb the ladder in 2010.

[opalswatcher]

who they got to make this rise??

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I think Launceston have recruited a guard rotation that will be a headache for all with Milner, Glaubitz and Parsons to add to Donkin and Clark. That will test every team in the league.

If the whispers are true Frankston are looking to sign a BIG ex AIS girl. Will see how strong the coaches ties are with the ex AIS girls.

[opalswatcher]

not sure how many of the opals girls are going to be available for to many games. Would be interesting though. That massive big may have to challenge the newly returning julie ofsofski for the starting spot.

[jsballer]

all this talk about the Knox assistant coach making the subs in the Grand Final, that might be the case but at the end of the day the head coach has the final say and he allowed the subs to be made!
I think Coach Anderson is a decent enough coach if as a player you are one his favorites. If not forget it.
Also look forward to seeing the SEABL Assistant coach as head coach of the Knox d-league team- surprised no one has mentioned the underhanded way in which he was appointment!!! Maybe the reason is people are no longer surprised things like this happen at Knox.

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Also look forward to seeing the SEABL Assistant coach as head coach of the Knox d-league team- surprised no one has mentioned the underhanded way in which he was appointment!!! Maybe the reason is people are no longer surprised things like this happen at Knox. Well how about elaborating on the underhanded ways JSBALLER. I'm sure we'd all like to hear about it.

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You know I was watching the comments about Heath this year and I thought what a difference a year makes.
Last year it was all criticism.
This year it was going mainly positive, with only a little criticism.
Then we have 2 brand new members jumping in to criticise him with their very first posts.
Getting a little timid out Knox way about making criticisms are we :-)
Oh well, having been hounded to death at a couple of other associations for daring to have an opinion I suppose I should be sympathetic to the shyness of others.

So is all this nudge nudge wink wink stuff about subbing all to do with the assistant coach calling the subs at the end instead of the head coach?
Wouldn't a coach and his assistant who work well together be able to do that as a matter of course?
I was at the game and I noticed that but it would never have occurred to me that that was an issue. I've seen them do that before at other levels and had just put it down to them having a good working relationship.
As I've said before, I thought the opportunity was created and then lost, by not subbing the starters back on after the bench had got the team back within striking distance in the final quarter. It would have been a gamble and it would not have rewarded those bench players maybe. But I think not making that change gave the spartans the opportunity to make an adjustment for long enough to hold off the charge. Whereas a new Knox group with something to prove could have kept them wrong footed.
Still, thats the opinion of a coach with a 25/75 win/loss ratio :-(

[Mixingitup]

Well how about elaborating on the underhanded ways JSBALLER. I'm sure we'd all like to hear about it.

I believe that the powers that be at Knox had a plan in regards to the direction to which the women’s program (Jnr and Snr) should head. After dismissing the usual mid season rumours as lies and then telling a few "fibs" of their own, Knox made appointments in accordance with alliances not based on what is best for club , player development or even the performance of the team and /or coach. All this done under the guise of "you have done a great job, we are very pleased...but we have decided to take a different direction..." If you are not in with the cool group you have no chance.

As usual, Knox proves that is a club that takes 2 steps forward then 3 steps back.

Saying all this though only time with tells... More than happy to be proven wrong.

[Melb Wildcat]

Im sure there are many ABA's teams that would want Knox's success and their professional game set up during matches. If thats 2 steps forward and 3 back then Im sure most teams would take that.

I do recall about 3 years ago didnt Knox have basketball administrator of the year (or something like that) but choose not to renew him/got rid of him?

[opalswatcher]

Should we start a new knox thread???

[Mixingitup]

Im sure there are many ABA's teams that would want Knox's success and their professional game set up during matches. If thats 2 steps forward and 3 back then Im sure most teams would take that.

I do recall about 3 years ago didnt Knox have basketball administrator of the year (or something like that) but choose not to renew him/got rid of him?

They did... the "different direction" was pulled out as a reason that they parted ways...

I agree Knox have had some success but manly in the Mens teams. Saying that though some may argue that their success over the past two (2) years has been "bought" and not developed.

[Melb Wildcat]

Funny the SEABL women thread has been busier than the men's one lately. Im actually very excited about the upcoming SEABL season - been a bit basketball starved with the NBL just having 1 team in melbourne, and who play a lot of wednesday nights when i cannot go.

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I am with you Wildcat, it looks like a very good season coming up with most teams stronger than the season before and lots of new coaches.

As for the Knox bashers, and I am certainly not pro Knox as they are they are far from my favourite team. Heath still made one more grand final than many coaches do. Yes he came up short and the team was heavy on recruits, but he still too them to a grandfinal.