Waratah 2010 [Archive]

truthordare

15-10-2009, 02:03 PM

Time to fire up Waratah Version 2010... if it's known by that name!

But heck let's get it going!

Trials all soon to be scheduled.

Some coaching news:

Parra's John Hennessey getting the promo up at the expense of Coach Dave, as has been mentioned in the previous year's thread.

Ex Comets Mens and Womens Coach Darren Allie the new boss at Sharks women. Will be interesting to see how many ex-Sharkies return to the club with the new appointment- i'm betting there will be quite a few coming back.

Talk of Comets Women having a new coach with Justin Brayley stepping away.

Champions Hornsby Coach Vlad Alava is in Perth with the Lynx- doubts on a comeback?

Canberra Nationals appoint Capitals assistant and up and coming coach Sandy Tomley- expect them to be the big improvers and maybe she can drag some Caps' girls to help strengthen the team.

The Unbias Bias

16-10-2009, 01:47 PM

Daevo

20-10-2009, 10:01 AM

Word is that Susnjara might be returning to Parra for 2010. How stacked can they get?

Whispers about some possible 'big' changes in the Hills men's lineup.

Penrith State League star Tom Dawson reported to be considering a switch to ABA (& not SEABL as the newspaper article stated) & linked to both Hills & Parra although the Spiders are also reportedly a possibility. It will be interesting to see if they can convince him that traveling >250km a week for training is worth it.

truthordare

20-10-2009, 02:27 PM

If you were an outsider looking in on Parramatta's situation with their respective WABL coaches for both mens & womens, you would have no idea about what they're doing!!! The men win the comp = firing of coach, women go winless = coach is coming back??? What's going to happen next down Auburn way, the men win the comp again this year, the women again go winless and they sack Hennessey for the women's coach??? Wouldn't surprise me!

Mind you on the womens coach maybe no one different put the hand up for gig. The mens situation however definitely does not make sense. Player driven perhaps despite the article saying it's not the case.

FRED JONES

21-10-2009, 12:47 AM

truthordare

21-10-2009, 10:45 AM

So I have a question, with Alava gone will Hornsby have a team that is even competitive or will they have to find another coach to "recruit" players? It would be good to see some of the sharkies juniors play for their original club again.

Will Central coast be making a comeback? I hope so.

Is he confirmed as gone? Haven't heard anything of the like bar that he is working with the Perth Lynx. He may well come back for the ABA season. Don't know though. I am sure they will be competitive and I'd be very surprised if the players left if he doesn't return. They look a close group last season and he did do well to get those players to the Club. The local kids, who are still teenagers will be better for the experience and ready to step up even more I imagine. Looking through the roster last season Daoud, Boag girls, Fielder, Smith should be better. And there's a couple of players from the successful junior group from 2 years ago coming through as well from YL.

Agree with the Sharks juniors returning, will be interesting to see how they will go.

Central Coast could probably come back if they field their YL and State LEague team as one into ABA.

rondo

21-10-2009, 11:49 AM

I've heard that the Comets Women don't have a coach for next season, does anyone know anything?

Daevo

21-10-2009, 12:20 PM

Central Coast could probably come back if they field their YL and State LEague team as one into ABA.
From what I understand of the new criteria, they'd need to retain YL/SL teams to qualify to have an ABA team. I still can't get confirmed details of the criteria for 2010 but some people have told me that associations need need both YL & SL teams in order to qualify a WABL team.

FRED JONES

21-10-2009, 11:45 PM

So can someone tell me why there isint just a simple 2 division system with some regional system for div 2.

Like div 1 is ABA and just scrap all the costly stuff that no-one really cares about (or does someone make $ off all the fees). From what I can see there would be about 8 or 10 team regularly good enough to play div 1 then have some regions like state league has and call them div 2. then the top teams in the div 2 regions can play off for the div 2 state title and then have a relegation promotion system. you win you move up you lose you move down.

I know this is simplified but surely this cant be that hard! providing extra criteria only makes things harder dosent it?

At least can someone explain how it is now and why?

Skindog the Hawk

22-10-2009, 01:23 AM

Bankstown is planning the following structure for 2010:
Waratah Men & Women
State League Men
Youth League Men & Women

Previously Bankstown has fielded two Youth League Mens' sides, however with the introduction of a State League Mens' side they will probably not field the #2 YLM team.

As for whether it is a pre-requisite to have Youth League and State League to be able to field ABA, I doubt that would be the case - you may find that it's more of a case that Associations will be required to field a Youth League or a State League side in both sexes to field an ABA side. (makes me wonder whether they will go back to requiring clubs to field both a Mens and Womens' ABA side or not...)

SD.

Daevo

22-10-2009, 07:03 AM

you may find that it's more of a case that Associations will be required to field a Youth League or a State League side in both sexes to field an ABA side

That was a criterion this year I believe but I've been told next year it's going to be tougher. It seems stupid to enforce any restriction that imposes a barrier on associations wanting to have teams at the highest level possible. It's more than likely going to simply create more sub-par teams in YL & SL as a result.

Don't even get me started on the ridiculous need to have a women's team in order to have a men's ....many current WABL teams have a large number of YL age (& standard) players anyway so requiring associations to have both simply means stretching a limited number of players over even more teams. It's not as though there is an over-supply of quality senior women players looking for a game at rep level.

Daevo

22-10-2009, 04:33 PM

Sad news today of the passing of the great entertainer & huge basketball fan, Don Lane.

I'm sure anybody who has been around the sport in Sydney for a while will remember Don as a regular at basketball games over many years, most recently at WABL games before illness kept him away.

Condolences to his son, PJ & those close to him.

A Higher Authority

22-10-2009, 08:51 PM

Skindog the Hawk

23-10-2009, 01:05 AM

Div 1 and Div 2 seem to be a good idea in the current basketball climate.
It could be run similar to Div 1 and 2 YL, with the winners of Div 2 being "allowed" to challenge the bottom two teams in Div 1.
That gives the Div 2 winners the option of challenging or just staying down if they prefer.

The only issue I would foresee with Division 2 is the geographical factor. Currently with the pools system you have a situation where Grafton plays Lismore, Coffs Harbour, Tamworth etc - guys that are close to them. It wouldn't really work too well if you had Grafton in Division 1, playing against Sutherland, Illawarra, Bankstown, Macarthur (and vice versa), and Lismore playing Wagga Wagga, Shoalhaven and Bathurst (for example).

Whilst some of the pool selections beggar belief, it's better to stay with that system at this point in time, with extended central venues "cross over" games in my opinion.

SD.

Skindog the Hawk

23-10-2009, 01:06 AM

That was a criterion this year I believe but I've been told next year it's going to be tougher. It seems stupid to enforce any restriction that imposes a barrier on associations wanting to have teams at the highest level possible. It's more than likely going to simply create more sub-par teams in YL & SL as a result.

Don't even get me started on the ridiculous need to have a women's team in order to have a men's ....many current WABL teams have a large number of YL age (& standard) players anyway so requiring associations to have both simply means stretching a limited number of players over even more teams. It's not as though there is an over-supply of quality senior women players looking for a game at rep level.

Agreed on the increasing of restrictions - sooner or later, BNSW will find that they have another revolt on their hands and clubs will say that they find it too expensive or too restrictive and will "retreat" back to State League Division 1 and/or create their own competition. ;)

SD.

Daevo

27-10-2009, 03:09 PM

Martin Iti? Seriously, how many top-tier players does one team need? :confused:

MAIN_MAN

27-10-2009, 03:52 PM

Martin Iti? Seriously, how many top-tier players does one team need? :confused:

Shouldn't he be in the NBA? :)

Daevo

27-10-2009, 07:48 PM

Martin Iti? Seriously, how many top-tier players does one team need? :confused:
Let's add Steve Markovic to the mix maybe....why not?

A Higher Authority

27-10-2009, 08:01 PM

Sounds like it may be the perfect team for the New Underpinning League (NUL). ;)

Daevo

10-11-2009, 04:21 PM

Anybody heading to the Parra vs All-Star game 7pm Saturday at Auburn?

I hear Parra might have some new faces....one or 2 possibly well-known. They've been in training for a while so despite the All-Star team being a strong line-up, I think their lack of preparation as a team will make it tough for them.

fan since the old snakepit

10-11-2009, 06:32 PM

Any info on lineups? Whats the reason for the game? Couldn't find anything on the Wildcats site about it.

Daevo

10-11-2009, 06:52 PM

http://parramatta.sportslive.com.au/index.pl?page=3995

According to that:
Incoming Wildcats head coach John Hennessy has maintained a twice-weekly training regime for his star-studded squad and several current players and possibly a couple of new faces will undoubtedly be keen to impress under the new coach. The key players suiting up for the Wildcats will be Goran Veg, Anto Lalic, Stefan Blaszczynski, Kristian Blaszczynski, Graeme Dann, Igor Bosnjak, Ing Lau, Adi Causevic and Luke Martin, whilst Hennessy may also introduce one or two new faces.

The All-Star team is undoubtedly one of the strongest possible line-ups available, featuring: point guard Michael Seckold (Sydney City Comets), shooting guard Stephen Whitehead (Sydney City Comets), centre Duane Jordan (Manly Warringah Sea Eagles), point guard Ben Arkell (Manly Warringah Sea Eagles), power forward Clint Reed (Bankstown Bruins), shooting guard Greg Barnes (Bankstown Bruins), small forward Ben Hollis (Hornsby Spiders), small forward PJ Isaacson (Hornsby Spiders), centre Blake Henricks (Sutherland Sharks), head coach Warren Rosen (Sydney City Comets), assistant coach Igor Goldberg, manager Jeff O'Flynn.

I've heard that those lineups might not be set in stone due to unavailability of some players.

I think they played a similar game last year between Sutho & an "All-Star" team that was pretty much just the Parra WABL team so I get the impression it's a Parra-inspired thing.

Daevo

11-11-2009, 06:41 PM

Parra reported to be looking at bringing yet another stellar player into the fold.

Maybe they should form 2 teams so they can get both the champion and runner-up banners/medals :p :rolleyes:

getadogupya

12-11-2009, 10:46 AM

Parra reported to be looking at bringing yet another stellar player into the fold.

Maybe they should form 2 teams so they can get both the champion and runner-up banners/medals :p :rolleyes:

Awesome, lets have another team that rarely plays defence... boring.

imported_sensations34

12-11-2009, 05:52 PM

Awesome, lets have another team that rarely plays defence... boring.

Seems like we are starting the season where we left off last year, some people just never have anything constructive to say, just some good old hateration. Keep hating, it'll be a long year for haters like you, because the Parra team is only going to be stronger then it even was last year. You will have plenty to whinge and bitch about as you drown in the misery of watching Parramatta keep winning. Get that up ya Dog

Daevo

13-11-2009, 07:41 AM

Seems like we are starting the season where we left off last year, some people just never have anything constructive to say, just some good old hateration. Keep hating, it'll be a long year for haters like you, because the Parra team is only going to be stronger then it even was last year. You will have plenty to whinge and bitch about as you drown in the misery of watching Parramatta keep winning. Get that up ya Dog

Surely even you'd like to see WABL games being more competitive though sensations, even if it does mean your team loses a few more.

I see another looong season ahead.

Steve Rafty & Tom Dawson were at Hornsby trials last night as was reported to be likely in the 2009 thread. Both have connections to the Spiders with Rafty playing in the state championship winning Hornsby U18 team in 2000 while Dawson partnered Hollis in juniors at Penriff. It seems young Dawson is being wooed by both the super-team as their second backup to the reserve power forward role & the Spiders who'd like to get a second 'big' into their under-sized lineup. It will be interesting to see which way he jumps.

Apparently there were quite a few faces missing from last season's Spiders team.

Hills trials tomorrow & I hear reports there could be quite a few changes there as well.

CWG

13-11-2009, 10:03 AM

Is Jonesy still coaching Hornsby?

Is Forrester still coaching Hills?

Is Rafty playing for four teams in four years some sort of record in Waratah?

Is there a changing of the guard at Hills?

Is there any more news on player movemnent?

The Unbias Bias

13-11-2009, 10:24 AM

5-6 months out and Sensations is already getting his side line face on, would we have it any other way? From the sound of it is every one else already playing for runners up?

Daevo

13-11-2009, 02:46 PM

CWG

13-11-2009, 03:53 PM

if you cant post it here where can you post it?

imported_sensations34

13-11-2009, 04:53 PM

Surely even you'd like to see WABL games being more competitive though sensations, even if it does mean your team loses a few more.

Unfortunately Daevo my intentions are not as pure as yours. My only interest is in seeing the team I follow win and win by as much as possible. I'm not concerned with the competitiveness of games, only with the result. When I watch sport I'm the type of person that cheers for the team I go for, and if the team I go for isn't playing then I choose the team that I hate less out of the teams that are playing and cheer for them to win. I'm all about winning on every level.

Bringing an elite team down to the level of the lesser competition may make games more competitive but it doesn't make the competition better. It's when other teams are prepared to strive towards improving to the level of the elite teams that a competition becomes better. I'm not a fan of those who cry poor. All the clubs have the capacity to develop or recruit players. Some do it better than others. You can't hold it against the teams that strive toward that higher level and you should hold it against those that don't because they are letting their fans down.

The goal should be excellence not parity

imported_sensations34

13-11-2009, 06:09 PM

Is Rafty playing for four teams in four years some sort of record in Waratah?

Those words speak volumes don't they

Daevo

14-11-2009, 07:30 AM

I'm reliably informed that the Wildcats team for tonight's game against the All-Stars is:
GRAEME DANN
LUKE MARTIN
GORAN VEG
MARK MUSGRAVE
SAMI TSEGAY
ING LAU
STEFAN BLASZCZYNSKI
TOM DAWSON
SAM McBEATH
IGOR BOSNJAK
ADI CAUSEVIC

Daevo

14-11-2009, 11:11 PM

My only interest is in seeing the team I follow win and win by as much as possible.

Is that why you weren't there for the All-Star game? :p

All-Stars defeated Parra 111-105 in what wasn't exactly a high quality game but was hard fought by both teams. Interestingly, the All-Stars looked more cohesive as a team than Parramatta did which was probably the deciding factor.

The Wildcats were undeniably strong in taking on some of the best of the rest that the league has to offer but they certainly did not look unbeatably strong. They started with Martin, Blaszczynski, Dann, Veg & Penrith state league star Tom Dawson who showed that he's ready & more than able to take the step up to ABA competition. Parra coach Hennessy played his starters for extended minutes during the game with the fairly long bench only getting on court in short bursts.

The All-Stars started Arkell, Reed, Whitehead, Hollis & Jordan but coach Rosen maintained a fairly regular 5 -6 minute on 5 minute off rotation with all 9 players. The All-Stars led for most of the game but the gap never got out to more than 8 point before Parra reeled them back, sometimes snatching a 1 or 2 point lead. The 4th quarter was set for an exciting finish when many there like me thought coach Rosen had cracked under the pressure with all his bigs (Jordan, Henricks, Reed, Hollis) on the bench for quite a few minutes and 4 guards plus Whitehead on the court. Parra, with their starting 5 on court, looked to take advantage of the bigger than normal size mismatch then Rosen again surprised many by subbing all 4 'bigs' into the game with Arkell. The combination of fresher & longer legs proved decisive with the All-Star team increasing the intensity to build a lead & hold off a last minute 3 point salvo from the Wildcats to grab the win.

imported_sensations34

15-11-2009, 10:43 AM

Is that why you weren't there for the All-Star game? :p

I certainly don't need to justify myself to you or anyone else, but I had a prior engagement. I'll be there for the games that count. It's only a meaningless exhibition game

The Unbias Bias

15-11-2009, 11:25 AM

A Higher Authority

15-11-2009, 01:45 PM

I certainly don't need to justify myself to you or anyone else, but I had a prior engagement. I'll be there for the games that count. It's only a meaningless exhibition game

Whew! Time for another chill pill, big guy.

imported_sensations34

15-11-2009, 05:05 PM

If you'd have won i dont think you'd be referring to it as "meaningless." I agree with Daevo in that the game was entertaining yet very scrappy at times, as was to be expected given the time of preparation for the all-stars team. Dawson definitely is wabl standard and he would be a welcome addition to any team that gets him. The main difference in the game to me was the lack of bench for parra compared to that of the all-stars, as was also to be expected obviously due to the depth of talent they had. Both teams got after it defensively and parra left it all out on the court as they tried desperately to win the game, as was the case by playing their starters for the majority of the match. Parra are still the team to beat come 2010 but it's still not a forgone conclusion.

It would be just as meaningless whether we won or not. It doesn't count towards anything. It was purely an exhibition game. And if anything, by the sounds of things the fact that Parramatta came close to beating a team of ABA all stars with all the other remaining best players in the comp should give a clear indication of what it's gonna take to beat Parramatta this year and there's no other team like that out there. So if there's any meaning that could be taken from that game that would be it.

CWG

15-11-2009, 05:52 PM

sensations, im pretty sure that Daevo was having a light hearted jab, nothing to take seriously.

you are right the game was meaningless, i really dont think much can be taken from it at all, by all accounts it was a good close game played in the right spirits. thats it. no real indicator of a season which is six months away. a lot of water can pass before that comes around.

The Unbias Bias

15-11-2009, 08:10 PM

It would be just as meaningless whether we won or not. It doesn't count towards anything. It was purely an exhibition game. And if anything, by the sounds of things the fact that Parramatta came close to beating a team of ABA all stars with all the other remaining best players in the comp should give a clear indication of what it's gonna take to beat Parramatta this year and there's no other team like that out there. So if there's any meaning that could be taken from that game that would be it.

In your opinion obviously there's only one way to look at things. Like i said i agree you're the favourites and atm by quite a bit, but winning the comp isnt a forgone conclusion. Many things can happen from now until next August-September.

MAIN_MAN

16-11-2009, 10:16 AM

Hills had their first trial on Sat. A decent turnout and Curt put us through the motions.
Curt will post the 17 players that made it through the second trial stage on the Hills website this week.

imported_sensations34

16-11-2009, 07:26 PM

In your opinion obviously there's only one way to look at things. Like i said i agree you're the favourites and atm by quite a bit, but winning the comp isnt a forgone conclusion. Many things can happen from now until next August-September.

I'm not predicting anything, but I can't help but be confident about Parra's chances of a repeat. I don't think any of the other teams have done anything significant by way of roster changes that would dramatically increase their chances from last year, while there is the real possibility as Davo keeps eluding too, that the Parramatta roster may get even stronger then last year.

imported_sensations34

16-11-2009, 07:27 PM

stick

16-11-2009, 08:16 PM

how was the dunk comp?

A Higher Authority

17-11-2009, 01:06 PM

Four people - Goran Veg, Mark Musgrave, Ben Hollis and a non-WBL player.
Sloppy at times.
Musgrave hit a great first one but nothing after.
Veg hit two good ones and mucked up his third.
The non-WBL player hit one and mucked up a couple.
Don't remember the first from Hollis but the second was one of his 'trademark' dunks over the head of a fan, then backed up by another version over the heads of the same fan and Sammy Tsegay. (10's for both the second and third dunks, although Duane Jordan wanted to give him 11 for the third).

Daevo

17-11-2009, 06:09 PM

The best dunk of the night was undoubtedly the first effort from the only non-WABL player there (I think he's from Macarthur SL) but he struggled to do anything after that.

Noel Rowsell got a photo of Hollis' 3rd dunk jumping over 2 people in his Sportslive article here:
http://parramatta.sportslive.com.au/index.pl?page=3997

http://parramatta.sportslive.com.au/system/files/image/ASG___Ben_Hollis__3.jpg

Daevo

17-11-2009, 06:18 PM

there is the real possibility as Davo keeps eluding too, that the Parramatta roster may get even stronger then last year.

My latest information is that it's pretty much a done deal ;)

Sports Shmuck

18-11-2009, 08:39 AM

Comets trials this weekend, should be interesting to see who rocks up!
Word is Whitehead is running round again.

getadogupya

20-11-2009, 11:37 AM

Seems like we are starting the season where we left off last year, some people just never have anything constructive to say, just some good old hateration. Keep hating, it'll be a long year for haters like you, because the Parra team is only going to be stronger then it even was last year. You will have plenty to whinge and bitch about as you drown in the misery of watching Parramatta keep winning. Get that up ya Dog

Blah blah take it easy mate, have another hot dog and get your Blood pressure down - ive said many constructive things about Parra in the past such as what they are good at (trans, individual play) and what they are not (d) - my opinion only. It was just a cheeky comment - obviously you're just a bit of a sour person. Anyway...

Think the league will be much stronger this year.
In no particular order, top 4 teams will be the same as last year - City, Manly, Parra and Norths. Bankstown might sneak in there.
Big Improvers - Hills - need those young guys to keep playing and Newcastle if they can get some of their old fogies back. May be old, but smart players.
Big Sliders - Hornsby - no bigs!
Same same - maitland and sutho
?? - heard Canberra men are putting a team in - drunk roadtrips are back!

Daevo

20-11-2009, 01:19 PM

Think the league will be much stronger this year.
In no particular order, top 4 teams will be the same as last year - City, Manly, Parra and Norths. Bankstown might sneak in there.
Big Improvers - Hills - need those young guys to keep playing and Newcastle if they can get some of their old fogies back. May be old, but smart players.
Big Sliders - Hornsby - no bigs!
Same same - maitland and sutho
?? - heard Canberra men are putting a team in - drunk roadtrips are back!

Some big calls there. In reply:

- See my post further back about SL MVP, Tom Dawson & journeyman in the making, Steve Rafty trialling at Hornsby which would well & truly solve their bigs shortage (which they still managed to make the playoffs with last season). I hear they have some other options as well that they are keeping quiet about.

- Hills seem to have lost Strong, Bourke & Smith if I read the squad on their website right. They will be lacking bigs but should retain a solid core for future development & will rattle some teams with their run & gun style. It will be interesting to see if Matt Crowe & Adrian Seiffert join former Spiders teammate Jamie Newth in the Hills backcourt.

- Bankstown could also lose a couple of senior players reportedly not happy with the way things ran last season but might also regain a very capable prodigal son. I hear they will have a state league team next year too so we could see a bit of a shakeup in their WABL men to SL to make room for some of their talented YL stars moving into the senior ranks.

A Higher Authority

20-11-2009, 01:21 PM

MAIN_MAN

24-11-2009, 06:53 AM

An indication of how the Hills squad looks like thus far.

http://www.hillshornets.com.au/upload/ABAM%20Wk2.pdf

Skindog the Hawk

24-11-2009, 09:35 AM

And yet nominations haven't been called and no-one knows how much next year will cost.
So if you don't like what you hear, when the cost is determined, it will possibly be too late to go back to SL - hence forcing you to stay in Waratah as a result.

Costs for SBL are available - $1460 plus $410 per team (i.e. $1870 for one team [men or womens'], $2280 for two), plus $300 per team for referees' travel - penalty fee of an additional $600 per team that does not have a sufficiently qualified referee nominated.

eg. Newcastle nominate 2 SBL teams and 2 Youth League teams, supplying 4 referees to the panel.

SBL = $1460 + $410 + $410 + $300 + $300 = $2880
YL = $1460 + $410 + $410 + $300 + $300 = $2880

I would assume that Waratah fees will be available shortly.

SD.

Skindog the Hawk

01-12-2009, 02:59 PM

Waratah Fees
Mens & Women's team - $10,500
Single sex only - approx. $6,500.

The Unbias Bias

01-12-2009, 04:12 PM

Waratah Fees
Mens & Women's team - $10,500
Single sex only - approx. $6,500.

Assuming all these quotes for fees are correct SD has there been some decrease to SBL and WABL fees this year compared to the previous 2-3? Because from memory I've been told in the past Waratah was 15K or so and SBl was 6-7K?

A Higher Authority

01-12-2009, 06:54 PM

I'm still confused why the costs for WBL are so much higher than SL.
BNSW is not contributing to a National pool (ABA) any longer and the money is only going to BNSW.
The clubs pay the referees and stats so BNSW is not responsible for those costs, so once again why slug the teams playing at the highest level a 'considerably' larger fee?

Daevo

01-12-2009, 07:21 PM

It's obvious that large amounts of money goes to promotion of the league. You don't think they get all the articles & pics in local papers for nothing do you? :rolleyes:

Don't forget the massive development of referees too.... I'm sure that, like the rest if us, you've noticed how the standard is constantly improving ;)

There is also travel equalisation.... OK, not for national finals any more but somebody has to fund the travel & accommodation of BNSW delegates & sundry gratis invitees to the state finals weekend & pick up the bar tab :p

Skindog the Hawk

01-12-2009, 10:05 PM

By the way, Waratah Mens are going back to 2-man officiating for 2010 - whilst the Executive would have preferred to go to 3-man for both men and women, they have decided to head back to 2-man.

SD.

Daevo

02-12-2009, 06:31 PM

So the $10,000 question (or $10,500 if Skindog is to be believed) is which western association will be fielding a women's WABL team & which one will not? I heard one association was not going to run a women's team in 2010 & their players had headed down the road to play but the latest tip is that the tables have turned & the flow of players could be in the opposite direction.

Who will win? Who cares? :p

Hornet_Power

03-12-2009, 05:12 PM

Any news of old teams coming back 2 the league for 2010?? e.g Central coast crusaders, illawarra hawks, Canberra??

Daevo

03-12-2009, 06:47 PM

I heard talk that Canberra might be back but no news to support it since.

A Higher Authority

03-12-2009, 08:13 PM

I heard the WBL deadline for nominations was today so we should know more tomorrow, if someone from BNSW or close to them is prepared to release the news.

Skindog the Hawk

04-12-2009, 08:58 AM

It's probable that Illawarra won't be nominating ABA sides this year, but it'd be nice for that to happen. Once you lose that program it's then a pain in the arse to put it back together again.

SD.

Hornet_Power

16-12-2009, 10:40 PM

Hey was wondering if anyone had any idea of dates for the bankstown pre season tournament?? Be a good chance to check what the league brings next season.

Daevo

17-12-2009, 08:52 AM

I'm sure somebody at Bankstown has some idea :p

It wasn't much of chance to check anything last year with only Bankstown, Parra & Hornsby mens teams playing & all of them with lineups very different from the teams they eventually put on court in the regular season e.g. the Blaszczynski brothers played for Hornsby.

A Higher Authority

17-12-2009, 05:50 PM

MEN: Parramatta, Sydney, Manly, Norths, Bankstown, Maitland, Canberra, Hills, Hornsby, Newcastle, Sutherland
WOMEN: Sydney, Manly, Norths, Bankstown, Sutherland, Hills, Newcastle, Hornsby, Canberra (No Parramatta or Maitland)

Daevo

17-12-2009, 07:16 PM

So Hills won did they? :p

Does that mean Parra & Maitland will have both state league & youth women's teams then? My understanding of the eligibility criteria for WABL is that an association must have 2 senior teams for both men & women so without both SL & YL women, an association could not have a WABL men's team.

SD, is that correct?

A Higher Authority

17-12-2009, 07:39 PM

I doubt BNSW would cut off their nose to spite their face.
They've released a draft draw with everyone I mentioned above on the draw, so they've already accepted the current status quo.

Daevo

17-12-2009, 08:53 PM

I doubt BNSW would cut off their nose to spite their face.

Based on past actions, I'm not so sure ;)

Skindog the Hawk

17-12-2009, 10:49 PM

The BNSW requirements are that WABL teams must have a mens and womens team entered into WABL. However if a club does not have the capacity to enter a team of one sex (most often, a womens team) then BNSW may (at their discretion) allow a club to only enter one team into WABL for two years on the proviso that they have a program for the opposite sex and a plan to develop and re-enter said second team within the two years.

AFAIK there is no proviso for a SBL or YL team to be entered, however I would assume that it would be frowned upon if this was not done.

As for the Bankstown pre-season tournament, I'm pretty sure that it's February 20-21 (which is the same weekend as the Hunter Invitational Tournament).

SD.

HILLSD1

23-12-2009, 10:03 AM

:DThe BNSW requirements are that WABL teams must have a mens and womens team entered into WABL. However if a club does not have the capacity to enter a team of one sex (most often, a womens team) then BNSW may (at their discretion) allow a club to only enter one team into WABL for two years on the proviso that they have a program for the opposite sex and a plan to develop and re-enter said second team within the two years.

AFAIK there is no proviso for a SBL or YL team to be entered, however I would assume that it would be frowned upon if this was not done.

As for the Bankstown pre-season tournament, I'm pretty sure that it's February 20-21 (which is the same weekend as the Hunter Invitational Tournament).

SD.

Hornet_Power

23-12-2009, 10:37 AM

Cheers for that!

MAIN_MAN

04-01-2010, 11:16 AM

Well, happy new year to all in this thread. What will 2010 bring for the WABL? Time will tell as they say, and I'm sure that we'll all be looking forward for the start of the much awaited season.

Any news thus far - Interesting or otherwise?

CWG

04-01-2010, 11:38 AM

any roster news?

Skindog the Hawk

04-01-2010, 11:29 PM

any roster news?

Considering that most teams will be taking 3-4 weeks off until approx. the end of the month, I wouldn't expect anything from the wires for a while...

SD.

Daevo

13-01-2010, 06:10 PM

I see Parra, Manly & Norths men are playing in the Canberra Classic this year
http://www.sportingpulse.com/comp_info.cgi?c=1-6476-0-104056-0&pool=-1&round=0&a=FIXTURE

Daevo

14-01-2010, 08:06 AM

That Classic results site had an interesting snippet of information:
Graeme Dann (Manly Warringah) (http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Graeme%20Dann&action=PSTATS&pID=190673111&client=1-6476-0-104056-11800471)

http://www.sportingpulse.com/comp_info.cgi?c=1-6476-0-104056-0&pool=-1&round=0&a=STATS

Skindog the Hawk

14-01-2010, 08:17 AM

Team lists as per site:
NSW U/20: Michael Claus, Luke Devlin, Jason Mackay, James Hunter, Jordan Barry, Stuart Mcewen, Matthew Dick, Jason Cadee.
Manly: Luke Cooper, Graeme Dann, Mark Smith, Mark McDaid, Jay Breddy, Ben Arkell, Michael Bell, Duane Jordan, Kane King.
Norths: JP Daveel, Miro Popovic, Ben Hayman, Adrien Seiffert, Daniel Cineili, Tom Neal, Ufojan Isbic, Troy Van Spanje, James McCann, Luke Brennan.
ACT U/20: Sebastian Keow, Gerard Gillian, Jonathan Lazaro, Declan Gillian, Anthony Pronin, Nathan Smith, Ozan Idehen, Michael Richardson, Phillip Peters, William Comensoli, Gavriel Jnani, William Dooris.
ACT U/18: Patrick Adams, Peter Edwards, Stephen Rowe, Luke Duffey, Patrick Morton, Jordan Rowe, Nicholas Peters, Dylan Simpson, Damien Svarcas, Hamish Ahern, Josh Pako, Reece Kaye, Alexander Olbrei, Jesse Field.

No team lists for Australia Gold, Australia Green, Gunners Blue, Gunners White, or Parramatta yet.

Daevo

14-01-2010, 09:02 AM

I wonder what sensations34 has to say about Dann's defection :confused:

Skindog the Hawk

14-01-2010, 12:12 PM

I wonder what sensations34 has to say about Dann's defection :confused:

It's not necessarily a done deal though - keep in mind that it's not a BNSW-sanctioned tournament, but an invitational carnival. Hence Dann may be helping out.

SD.

A Higher Authority

25-01-2010, 01:07 PM

I see Parra, Manly & Norths men are playing in the Canberra Classic this year
http://www.sportingpulse.com/comp_info.cgi?c=1-6476-0-104056-0&pool=-1&round=0&a=FIXTURE

http://www.sportingpulse.com/round_info.cgi?a=MATCH&fixture=166374454&c=1-6476-0-104056-0&pool=1001
Australia Gold over NSW U20 Men in Final (OT)

KDog

25-01-2010, 02:03 PM

There was only a Para team, no manly.

Rumour has it that G.Dann and Clint reed got into a bit of fisty cuffs (with each other) on Saturday night and weren't allowed to play on Sunday's semi. Para lost. Can anyone confirm??

The final was a good one. Aus u20 hit a buzzer 3 to take it to overtime.
In OT Cadee hit a 3 to tie it up with seconds to go, then Aus hit another 3 on the buzzer to take the win.
NSW u20 might have taken the win if Cadee didn't sit for so long at the end of the 3rd/start of 4th periods. It took him a bit to get going again to give NSW the lead before the Aus 3 point equalised at FT. Still a great effort by NSW to take it to an Australian team.

Cadee really was a standout for the tournament. A couple of Gunners guards were about the only people who could defend him. The rest of the time he pretty much did as he pleased with great speed/control, excellent passing and shooting. If he learns to play better D he will be a great player in the future.

Daevo

25-01-2010, 02:54 PM

puzzle_12

25-01-2010, 04:08 PM

I heard the Parra boys were out partying on Saturday & Dann sat out the semi but not anything about fistycuffs. Reed has been linked to Parra for a while now but if that tale is true, it might be enough to keep him with the Bruins.

I also heard that former Penrith junior Reid Sassenberg played for Parra which came out of the blue since last I heard, he was trialling for state league at Penrith.

I also heard about the parra boys fighting from someone who saw it! Good on them, nothing like a bit of aggression. Pity they then turned up at 9:01 for a 9am semi-final.

Daevo

27-01-2010, 03:03 PM

imported_sensations34

28-01-2010, 07:46 AM

Parramatta officials are denying any fight between Dann & Reed. Dann turned his ankle on Saturday (was in doubt for the NSW U20 game) so wanted to go home & since he & Clint travelled together, they both left saturday night.

If there was a fight seen, it must have been another pair.

Their is nothing to deny. Nothing happened. Graeme and Clint are best mates. It's exactly as Dave wrote, he got injured and didn't wanna risk it any further so went back home early and because they travelled to canberra together, they travelled back together. From what I hear if Graeme never got injured and he and Clint continued to play Parra would have won the tournament. People need to stop making shit up. No one can seem to get their facts straight. Just like that ignorant rumour about Graeme Dann going to Manly. I told Dave it was a crock of shit and was not worthy of a response. Jim has been listing Graeme in his team the last few years, it's just wishful thinking. They even did it when they were at Hills. Murray Wardle pulled the same shit when he coached Norths and named Tony Lalic and Goran in his team. It's just the same old tactics to stir shit in the ranks. But it never works. We're all too good friends at Parra.

CWG

28-01-2010, 08:28 AM

Just like that ignorant rumour about Graeme Dann going to Manly. I told Dave it was a crock of shit and was not worthy of a response. Jim has been listing Graeme in his team the last few years, it's just wishful thinking. They even did it when they were at Hills. Murray Wardle pulled the same shit when he coached Norths and named Tony Lalic and Goran in his team. It's just the same old tactics to stir shit in the ranks. But it never works. We're all too good friends at Parra.

Hold the Phone Sensations, i have never seen Dann listed in any team coached by Arkell or anyone else in any previous year for that matter. i think you may have a complex. To think someone would go to that length to try and stir Parra up. i dont think any team takes it that seriously.

And do Manly really need to change that much, they lost by four points in a great game where on of Parra's stars had a career game. im pretty sure Manly would be happy with the personell already in the ranks.

in regards to wishful thinking, i think if you ask, and get an honest answer. the question was asked by the player in question, not by club or coach mentioned, and it was a general conversation, nothing concrete.
again, just take a breath, relax, and be safe in the knowlegde no one is conspiring against you. just breathe mate.

imported_sensations34

28-01-2010, 08:57 AM

Hold the Phone Sensations, i have never seen Dann listed in any team coached by Arkell or anyone else in any previous year for that matter. i think you may have a complex. To think someone would go to that length to try and stir Parra up. i dont think any team takes it that seriously.

And do Manly really need to change that much, they lost by four points in a great game where on of Parra's stars had a career game. im pretty sure Manly would be happy with the personell already in the ranks.

in regards to wishful thinking, i think if you ask, and get an honest answer. the question was asked by the player in question, not by club or coach mentioned, and it was a general conversation, nothing concrete.
again, just take a breath, relax, and be safe in the knowlegde no one is conspiring against you. just breathe mate.

I'm not concerned one bit. I know exactly what happened and how it happened. Anyway the thing is Graeme is certainly not going to Manly regardless of what's happened thus far. And yes Manly will be competitive purely because of how good Ben Arkell is but will that be enough. I guess we'll find out in about 7 months.

MAIN_MAN

28-01-2010, 09:20 AM

and so it begins.....welcome again sens34.

imported_sensations34

28-01-2010, 09:58 AM

and so it begins.....welcome again sens34.

nothings begun. there's nothing much worth talkin about. We're still the best, Manly is 2nd best and there's a long way between those 2 teams and the rest.

CWG

28-01-2010, 01:14 PM

rondo

28-01-2010, 02:23 PM

apparently the Comets are building a nice little squad with hopes of taking out the title also, along with Norths, they definitely cant be written off. and the return of BJ Carter to the shire must have Sutherland looking as the big improvers this year.

I've heard that Stauber has retired and a few of the other guys from last season aren't playing? Who have they picked up.

Can't wait to see BJ back in action!!!

manlys finest

28-01-2010, 04:46 PM

imported_sensations34

28-01-2010, 04:56 PM

Sens 34 i would not be so sure that dann would leave parra. If he did indeed get in contact with Manly which is what i have been told and also possibly down south to the seabl.
Yet it should be an interisting year with a lot of teams with a new look

He did speak to them but I can assure you under no circumstances is he going to play for Manly. The only reason he would leave Parra is for a SEABL gig with a half decent pay packet. But if he plays Waratah it will only be for Parra. That's direct from the man himself. And if he did get a good paying SEABL gig or any other better gig, we would all support him and wish him the best, just like we were happy for Damo when he got a gig with Perth last year.

Daevo

28-01-2010, 06:32 PM

I've heard that Stauber has retired and a few of the other guys from last season aren't playing? Who have they picked up.

Can't wait to see BJ back in action!!!

Comets have picked up Henricks from Sutho & I believe have a former SEABL big & at least one other new face. There was a team list circulating a while ago but it wasn't posted. While Stauber is a big loss, I think their replacements will make them at least as competitive as they were last year.

BJ is back as captain/coach I hear but the squad is reportedly young & vertically challenged ;) Still, as long as I've known them, Sutho has never been an association that relied on inside scoring :p

Daevo

28-01-2010, 08:28 PM

We're still the best, Manly is 2nd best and there's a long way between those 2 teams and the rest.

Not such a long way as I recall with only 1 point between Manly & Norths & 6 between your Parra boys & Comets in last year's semi-finals.

MAIN_MAN

29-01-2010, 11:02 AM

He did speak to them but I can assure you under no circumstances is he going to play for Manly. The only reason he would leave Parra is for a SEABL gig with a half decent pay packet. But if he plays Waratah it will only be for Parra. That's direct from the man himself. And if he did get a good paying SEABL gig or any other better gig, we would all support him and wish him the best, just like we were happy for Damo when he got a gig with Perth last year.

IMO, I think Graeme would be wasting his time playing in the WABL year after year.

The guy is 26, start of the prime of his career and he should be playing elsewhere in a stronger league, such as the SEABL or even QABL. Btw, sens34, do you know if Graeme could play as a local in Europe?

I've heard people say over the last few years that the sky is the limit for Graeme because of his size, ability to handle the ball like a guard etc and IMO, apart from staying local and playing with his mates - what benefits would he get in his career from playing in the WABL? Don't get me wrong, as you all know, I'm the biggest WABL supporter out there, and would not like to lose a local talent like Dann for our league, but I reckon he needs to leave his comfort zone to benefit his career. Unlike sens34, I do not know Graeme personally, but from what I've seen of his play at WABL level, he's too good for our league and I'm sure there are semi professional SEABL teams that would love to have this athletic swingman on their roster.

Hey, if BJ can get a SEABL gig......

imported_sensations34

29-01-2010, 01:49 PM

IMO, I think Graeme would be wasting his time playing in the WABL year after year.

The guy is 26, start of the prime of his career and he should be playing elsewhere in a stronger league, such as the SEABL or even QABL. Btw, sens34, do you know if Graeme could play as a local in Europe?

I've heard people say over the last few years that the sky is the limit for Graeme because of his size, ability to handle the ball like a guard etc and IMO, apart from staying local and playing with his mates - what benefits would he get in his career from playing in the WABL? Don't get me wrong, as you all know, I'm the biggest WABL supporter out there, and would not like to lose a local talent like Dann for our league, but I reckon he needs to leave his comfort zone to benefit his career. Unlike sens34, I do not know Graeme personally, but from what I've seen of his play at WABL level, he's too good for our league and I'm sure there are semi professional SEABL teams that would love to have this athletic swingman on their roster.

Hey, if BJ can get a SEABL gig......

The dude is an ubelievable talent. I had him and Barlow playing side by side for me. And as much as i love Dave Barlow, I tell you Graeme has got much more ability then him and many others that have NBL gigs. An NBL gig should be a given for him and he really should be playing in even better leagues, like perhaps Europe or something. No one would ever want him to stay in Waratah at the expense of an opportunity to progress his career. No one cheers harder or wishes him well more than we do in achieving what we believe he should really be achieving in his career. But at the same time what can you do if the offers or the gigs aren't there. The guy still loves his basketball, loves playing. Do you stop playing the sport you love? Playing ABA keeps him in shape and playing Basketball at a reasonable level until an opportunity arises.

The Unbias Bias

29-01-2010, 04:42 PM

But one has played for Australia at the Olympics & the other can't even get on an NBL team? That's the guy you think has more talent? Anyone who watched the NBL last season (as painful as it can sometimes be) would've seen Barlow play compared to Dann, I'd be surprised if 1% would take Dann over Barlow. 5 years ago I'd have agreed with you, but simply put, one got better, than other hasn't.....
I'm not bagging out Dann, but I just reckon barlow is a much better player who even Brian Goorjian stated that "he could someday make the NBA with his work ethic..." although obviously he's not making the NBA no one of such stature has ever said anything in comparison to that about Dann. All I could quote from commentators about Dann is that "it's his season to finally break-out and live up to that talent" which happened when????? The fact that you use the word ability and not talent is even more astounding, since ability would imply that his talent has come to fruition, which in the top leagues it never did.

StiLL Momentum

30-01-2010, 09:09 PM

The dude is an ubelievable talent. I had him and Barlow playing side by side for me. And as much as i love Dave Barlow, I tell you Graeme has got much more ability then him and many others that have NBL gigs. An NBL gig should be a given for him and he really should be playing in even better leagues, like perhaps Europe or something. No one would ever want him to stay in Waratah at the expense of an opportunity to progress his career. No one cheers harder or wishes him well more than we do in achieving what we believe he should really be achieving in his career. But at the same time what can you do if the offers or the gigs aren't there. The guy still loves his basketball, loves playing. Do you stop playing the sport you love? Playing ABA keeps him in shape and playing Basketball at a reasonable level until an opportunity arises.

LOL, Dann doesnt even compare to Barlow now. One plays professionally over in Europe which puts our league to utter shame and the other cant even make it into our top (which doesnt compare to European ball) league.

One played for Australia and the other would have a problem spelling it. One had a possible chance of making the big show in the US and the other failed at making it in Australia.

As unbias bias states, 1% of people would take Dann over Barlow, and that 1% is you.

Let's not get carried away thinking ball in Australia compares to Europe cos it doesnt.

Barlow doesnt need opportunity to rise, He makes it happen with his play.

NOW, saying that Dann is very talented but he didnt reach his potential in the NBL, where as Barlow worked super hard and made people take notice.

goran veg

01-02-2010, 02:09 PM

Graeme is as talented if not more talented then barlow, i played with and against both trust me hes that good!! Im not putting barlow down either he is amazing, graeme is just that good!! talk about him not making it but ill tell u this his best is yet to come mark my words!! and him and clint fighting is stupid and whoever said that is stupid!! parra back to back champions....see ya on the court

Daevo

01-02-2010, 02:14 PM

Hey Goran - so are you guys looking to sign any of the NSW U20 team that beat you in Canberra? ;)

imported_sensations34

01-02-2010, 02:14 PM

No need to run players down and make personal attacks. If it's your opinion that Barlow is a better player, then good luck to you. He certainly is a great player and all the best to him. I was just giving my own personal opinion that I think that Greame is a very good player and it is inexplicable to me why he is not playing in a better professional league at the moment, and I was also commenting that at the time I watched those 2 players side by side, it was my own personal opinion that Graeme was better and more talented.

If you wanna have a go at someone, have a go at me. But no need to be a smartass and make derogatory comments about Graeme or any player for that matter

Clips

01-02-2010, 02:20 PM

Ok serious question.

If Dann is as good as being stated, what is stopping teams from lining up to sign him if he is as talented as Barlow?

Daevo

01-02-2010, 05:49 PM

I hear from a reliable source that Butch Hayes will be playing for Maitland again (contrary to some reports that he was headed to one of the western Sydney SL teams) & Scott McGregor will also make a return to the Mustangs which will significantly strengthen them.

The Unbias Bias

01-02-2010, 05:52 PM

Ok serious question.

If Dann is as good as being stated, what is stopping teams from lining up to sign him if he is as talented as Barlow?

Sensations would answer that if it wasn't interpreted as a personal attack.

All I did was state the facts and they speak for themselves, even his response couldn't deny those details. Bottom line is sensations & Goran are both making a comparison of them from 4-5 years ago, which when compared with the players they've become today means very little. Everyone always knows someone who could've gone far and had so much talent but didn't make it, but in Dann's case he did make it, he played NBL and that's more than most would consider a possibility. But from a spectators view he's had numerous opportunities at the highest level in Australia with very little to show for it. Just because you can shine in WABL doesn't mean you belong on an NBL court, let alone European.

I hope he does prove me wrong because than he'll have made big improvements, but until he does all that's left is reality and in some peoples case false belief.

goran veg

01-02-2010, 07:25 PM

StiLL Momentum

01-02-2010, 08:57 PM

Look, I hope Dann does well,
but putting bias aside, looking at them now, Dann doesn't even compare to Barlow.

Just because a player dominates in a representative league doesn't mean they will go well as a pro.

One person plays nationally and in Europe and other is not even in the top league in the country. An outsider with completely no bias could see the difference.

Dann is a good player, no doubt but not in the same league to Barlow (figuratively and literally speaking)

The Unbias Bias

01-02-2010, 10:33 PM

u can say what u want but u will eat ur words if u doubt graeme, just watch!! the worlds not black and white, just cause hes not playing nbl now doesnt mean he cant play....if ur gonna go on nbl players as a bench mark for talent ur gonna be way off.....go and play these guys one on one, see if u can stop them, barlow, amazing talent, graeme amazing talent!!! as for that nsw team that beat us hahaha good comeback i got nuthn

like i said i hope he does prove me wrong, but until he does he's the one with something to prove to everyone. I can just sit here knowing that at this stage in his career he aint got shit on Barlow. He'll never face up against Team USA like Barlow did and get to mark Kobe, Lebron, Carmelo, etc. There's one of two explanations for this; Barlow sucks some major *?!* or simply put, he's not in Graeme's league ANYMORE! You guys think this is some personal hatred toward him when it's not, it's just stating the facts. Can you quote me ever saying that Dann cant play?

And by the way if you need to compare him playing someone like me as a bench mark of his talent that just highlights your lack of explanation for why he's such an "amazing talent!!!."

Daevo

02-02-2010, 09:30 AM

putting bias aside

That's unfair - what did bias ever do to you? :p

goran veg

03-02-2010, 11:40 AM

aba is a way better league then nbl, u guys are crazy

MAIN_MAN

03-02-2010, 01:25 PM

aba is a way better league then nbl, u guys are crazy

Yeah!

imported_sensations34

03-02-2010, 01:29 PM

Yeah!

I'd rather watch ABA then that crappy NBL anyday. Infact that's what I've done over the past several years. I stopped going to NBL games despite always being able to get free tickets. I think ABA games have a better atmosphere then NBL games

The Unbias Bias

03-02-2010, 05:34 PM

Daevo

03-02-2010, 05:41 PM

aba is a way better league then nbl, u guys are crazy

It certainly is in Sydney & also in terms of the All-Star games of both leagues ;)

The Unbias Bias

03-02-2010, 09:22 PM

does anyone on here know what kind of money u get in seabl? like for imports, regulars, bench players, etc.?

imported_sensations34

03-02-2010, 09:23 PM

As true as that may be in regards to the atmosphere since I tend to agree, that doesn't put the $$$$$ in the pocket of a professional calibre type player does it, nor give you that widespread recognition you're seeking for Dann...

The comment was not made with any relation to anything to do with Greame or with any intention of gaining recognition for Graeme. Get over yourself please. What's your obsession with hating on the guy. I was just commenting on how much I dislike the NBL and how i'd prefer to watch an ABA game. What on earth does that have to do with Graeme. He's not the only player in the ABA. Stop looking for shit that isn't there in what I say. If i wanna say something about or on behalf of Graeme or anyone else I won't beat around the bush I'll just come out and say it. I have no qualms with speaking my mind on any subject.

The Unbias Bias

03-02-2010, 10:14 PM

Get off your knees when talking about graeme then you'll have a better chance of having an unbiased opinion

imported_sensations34

04-02-2010, 05:54 AM

Get off your knees when talking about graeme then you'll have a better chance of having an unbiased opinion

Your the jerk off who's obsessed with keeping talking about him, even when I make a comment that has absolutely nothing to do with the guy, you somehow find a way to connect it to him so that you can make a derogatory comment about him.

(mod note - keep it on topic now please and keep the personal arguing to PM's or face-to-face)

Daevo

04-02-2010, 07:34 AM

does anyone on here know what kind of money u get in seabl? like for imports, regulars, bench players, etc.?

I've heard of NBL benchies being offered in the $15-20K range but you'd probably have to post in the SEABL thread to get details of what's available to various levels of players.

The Unbias Bias

04-02-2010, 11:19 AM

Your the jerk off who's obsessed with keeping talking about him, even when I make a comment that has absolutely nothing to do with the guy, you somehow find a way to connect it to him so that you can make a derogatory comment about him.

(mod note - keep it on topic now please and keep the personal arguing to PM's or face-to-face)

Hey when you have people like you talking him up like he's a pro when he's not, and saying he's better than a current Boomer (when he's not) it's hard just to sit here and read nothing but crap. Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you have to type it. All you're doing is highlighting your complete lack of knowledge when it comes to ball.

Besides, you cant even quote me saying anything derogatory about him since I never had. Just by stating reality (that he's not better than Barlow) isn't derogatory.

imported_sensations34

04-02-2010, 12:07 PM

Hey when you have people like you talking him up like he's a pro when he's not, and saying he's better than a current Boomer (when he's not) it's hard just to sit here and read nothing but crap. Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you have to type it. All you're doing is highlighting your complete lack of knowledge when it comes to ball.

Besides, you cant even quote me saying anything derogatory about him since I never had. Just by stating reality (that he's not better than Barlow) isn't derogatory.

(mod note - deleted - personal and inflammatory)
Come on Skindog, if you can't tell me how to delete this thing, then here's your invitation to delete me yourself

(mod note - granted - have a week off)

StiLL Momentum

04-02-2010, 01:47 PM

aba is a way better league then nbl, u guys are crazy

Yet again, bias aside.

ABA, atmosphere for sure, more pride and fun to watch.

Talent level? nope. not close.

The new nbl is boring to watch but there isnt a comparison of talent to those in the league now. If ABA is good, its because of the former nbl players in it.

thats like saying NBDL is better league than NBA. just silly.

StiLL Momentum

04-02-2010, 01:59 PM

Hey when you have people like you talking him up like he's a pro when he's not, and saying he's better than a current Boomer (when he's not) it's hard just to sit here and read nothing but crap. Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you have to type it. All you're doing is highlighting your complete lack of knowledge when it comes to ball.

Besides, you cant even quote me saying anything derogatory about him since I never had. Just by stating reality (that he's not better than Barlow) isn't derogatory.

Exactly.

100% correct. The only people backing him are people that play with him or "manage" the team.

Next thing we will hear Unbias Bias is that Dann is better than Bryant....lol.
One is a pro, the other isnt. Any person who isnt bias to this can see the FACT. That Barlow is a better player.

My goodness, I cant believe this has gotten this far, lol.
Some people are so blind by bias.

That could be said about me, but then. My opinion is based on fact, unlike some of the others here.

Daevo

04-02-2010, 02:18 PM

(mod note - granted - have a week off)

Enjoy your vacation sens34 - weren't you going OS anyway?

Back on topic, I do recall a time when Dann was pretty much on par with Barlow, if not better but that was back when both were at the Kings. Somebody once decribed them to me as being almost like identical twins in ability.

Since that time however, Barlow developed enormously under Goorj while Dann seemed to languish during much of his time at the Pigs/Spirit. A few hopefully predicted that under Bevo he'd have a breakfout season & in some games he certainly did shine but overall he never achieved the level that Barlow was at at the time.

All bias & personal jibes aside, it does make you wonder why the careers of 2 players of such similar ability took such divergent paths. I know quite a few people around Sydney who've asked the same question but nobody has come up with an answer.

The Unbias Bias

04-02-2010, 03:20 PM

Everything I've tried to explain in multiple messages you've managed to summarise into one easy reading explanation, thanks Daevo.

goran veg

06-02-2010, 11:46 AM

aba is better then nbl talent wise because i play in the aba so that raises all the standards right up cause im so good, im even better then barlow 2......it was just politics that i never made it.....
ok im joking, but nbl is a depressing league, not cause of the players but just cause of how its fallen away over the years, makes me wish i played tennis. Graeme is still as good as barlow talent wise, skills wise, athletically......what barlow has is the best work ethic in australian basketball, nobody compares to him there thats why hes doing so well. Dont knock sensations now that hes been kicked off for a week, first of all hes my mate, second he is crazy and will probably stab u

Skink

06-02-2010, 07:45 PM

The 2010 Waratah draw has been released:
http://www.waratah.basketball.net.au/fs_newsitem.asp?id=85814&orgID=102&Oname=Waratah&O1c=22&O10c=22

StiLL Momentum

06-02-2010, 10:17 PM

Graeme is still as good as barlow talent wise, skills wise, athletically......what barlow has is the best work ethic in australian basketball, nobody compares to him there thats why hes doing so well.

So in turn, his drive and commitment to being a better ball player has gotten him further than Dann, So what your saying is Dann doesnt care?

I tell you, If Barlow had replaced Dann in Parramatta, you guys would have not just got over the hump in the final, it wouldnt have been a contest, but then we would never know as Barlow is on to much better things in his basketball career than Dann will ever see, but oh wait, they are the same player skill wise.

Dont knock sensations now that hes been kicked off for a week, first of all hes my mate, second he is crazy and will probably stab u

He is crazy, he thinks Dann is better than Barlow.

lol, stab me?

All i have to do to dodge the stabbing is walk briskly.

THREAT.....NEUTRALISED!!!!!

goran veg

07-02-2010, 09:14 AM

The Unbias Bias

07-02-2010, 09:43 AM

graeme cares mate, dont be disrespectful of him or ill stab u and a brisk walk wont help you. im croatian remember, your good at generalisations, we r all crazy remember.....ill take graeme in my team over anyone....see ya on da court buddy

Wow so since you have no argument all you can do is threaten people with stabbings? makes me wish I had your debating skills

Derek

07-02-2010, 04:49 PM

Wow, this thread sucks. No more random stabbing threats please.

DN

StiLL Momentum

07-02-2010, 09:33 PM

graeme cares mate, dont be disrespectful of him or ill stab u and a brisk walk wont help you. im croatian remember, your good at generalisations, we r all crazy remember.....ill take graeme in my team over anyone....see ya on da court buddy

When was i being disrespectful? I asked a question, SO WHAT YOUR SAYING IS GRAEME DOESNT CARE? Please read and understand what is plainly infront of you before commenting, thanks.

I dont care where your from (even tho Mirko Cro Cop is a f*cking beast, the most lethal left foot in all of fighting). It dont matter to me, what matters is I made a statement, I clearly was right, and because you knew that and had nothing to base your opinion, you resorted to violent attacks. Sad bro.

You make stupid threats all because you dont have anything to come back at me with, cos stats prove Barlow is better now. Logic proves Barlow is better, damn, even Europe thinks Barlow is better, I can tell you if Barlow said he would play NBL (which he wouldnt as he has moved past that) his phone would be ringing. Cant say much for your superstar forward who cant go back to pro yet is better (Look, I hope he does well in ball, I dont mean ill will towards him as he is a good player, but your blind)

Our thoughts are based on fact. Simple. Argument over.

U can have him over anyone and both of you can remain in ABA.

goran veg

08-02-2010, 12:22 PM

relax guys im not gonna stab anyone....i was just venting my frustrations that u cant admit that im the smartest guy in this forum

Keyser Söze

08-02-2010, 10:56 PM

lol, stab me?

All i have to do to dodge the stabbing is walk briskly.

THREAT.....NEUTRALISED!!!!!

who ever StiLL Momentum is you are funny mother f*&ker.

its funny because its true.

StiLL Momentum

10-02-2010, 10:16 AM

I was just venting my frustrations that u cant admit that im the smartest guy in this forum

LOL, it's pointless, you have your opinion (joined by Sensations), I have mine (back by the rest of the world). either way we are too stubborn to change either opinions.

who ever StiLL Momentum is you are funny mother f*&ker.

its funny because its true.

haha, yup

goran veg

10-02-2010, 10:59 AM

hahaha yeah we r too stubborn, but thats ok, the future will sought out all the answers anyway. So am i gonna have to drive to canberra to face the nationals this year? are they back?

Daevo

10-02-2010, 07:24 PM

So Goran, I hear Parra went down to the NSW U20 team ... again ... this time by 9. My sauces tell me that while Parra was at close to full strength including Mr Dann, you weren't there this time so maybe that's why the bigger margin ;)

I'm sure you would have heard that the same NSW U20 team lost to Penrith state league (minus 2 of their better players) so maybe we should raise the cash to get the poor Panthers into the WABL to give you Parra boys some competition :p

Imagine the team they could have if they could coax a few more former 'riff boys back in black ;)

StiLL Momentum

11-02-2010, 01:45 AM

goran veg

11-02-2010, 09:48 AM

wow yeah i heard we lost again, i wasnt there so cant say much about it. Haha go back to penrith u reckn?? tony is playing there now, if they went back to seabl i'd play for them no worries. It would be great if penrith came back to aba. I love penrith, the riff is da greatest

MAIN_MAN

11-02-2010, 10:02 AM

Hornet_Power

11-02-2010, 12:56 PM

Word is seifert has moved to norths, But crowe will be in the hills lineup as well as T rone and A boykin, Hills have lost some good players but have recovered well. Be interesting to see how they do this year. Also i herd a rumour of parramatta having a 7ft college player this year....?

Daevo

11-02-2010, 01:33 PM

Old news about Seiffert, Crowe, Terrance & Andre since most of us have internet access too :p

What's the story with the former SEABL player Curt had lined up? I hear that's fallen through.

Who did you guys offend at Bankstown to have to play a state league side in that Bruins "Challenge"? No other team got that honour - especially not the Bruins. I hear that Penrith SL wanted to play but were told it was too late since the draw had been done - geez, there are only 3 games per team so how hard can it be?

Hornet_Power

11-02-2010, 04:16 PM

yeh, i realised afterwards i was replying to your thread on page 2 haha.

Hornet_Power

11-02-2010, 04:18 PM

yeh not sure what the go is playing the state league team instead of the aba for hills vs bankstown pre season weekend. Maybe they scared. Or just wanted to give the state league tougher matches to make them better...

As for the seabl player is a no go unfortunatly due to work commitments etc...

thetruth

13-02-2010, 09:05 AM

[QUOTE=Daevo;207756]Old news about Seiffert, Crowe, Terrance & Andre since most of us have internet access too :p

Who did you guys offend at Bankstown to have to play a state league side in that Bruins "Challenge"? No other team got that honour - especially not the Bruins

maybe no one was offended, they just thought hills was the only ABA team they could beat so matched them up against them?

Daevo

13-02-2010, 09:30 AM

I don't know... getadogupya had Hills as the big improvers for 2010 ;)

StiLL Momentum

15-02-2010, 12:44 PM

getadogupya

16-02-2010, 10:06 AM

I don't know... getadogupya had Hills as the big improvers for 2010 ;)

yeah good point, shot my mouth off too quickly on that one...
I guess that judgement was made after seeing their lineup on paper - couple of older heads mixed with youth could work for that team. I definitely think they will better than last year but maybe not the big improvers I once suggested.

A Higher Authority

16-02-2010, 03:25 PM

I can't wait to see the 'chemistry' between a couple of players.

It could be as smooth as silk or as volatile as dynamite - game pressure will provide the answer.

goran veg

17-02-2010, 10:22 AM

i played social comp with blake borgia the other night, he hit 13 3's!!! that guy is an amazing shooter

Daevo

17-02-2010, 01:57 PM

Comets are looking very strong this year with Borjia plus Michael Seckold, Dijan Marjanovic, Matt Gange, Stephen Whitehead, Mitch Cork, Les Coe, Luke Devlin, Blake Henricks, James Hunter, Leon Dawson, Andrew Fuller & Adam Marjoram.

Hornet_Power

17-02-2010, 02:16 PM

well cant wait to get a taste test this weekend in the bankstown tourny, hills take on comets saturday at 1130 then bankstown state league 4pm, then play hornsby 230 sunday

thetruth

17-02-2010, 10:19 PM

I can't wait to see the 'chemistry' between a couple of players.

It could be as smooth as silk or as volatile as dynamite - game pressure will provide the answer.

which team are you talking about, the chemistry between a couple of players?

A Higher Authority

18-02-2010, 09:06 PM

which team are you talking about, the chemistry between a couple of players?

Sorry, my bad.
I was thinking of Hornsby but my post was mistakenly about Hills.

thetruth

20-02-2010, 08:13 PM

any news on the results today, who looked good who didn't? any stand out performances? i know its still preseason, but just trying to know what happened today?

Daevo

20-02-2010, 08:49 PM

Sutherland vs Bansktown was probably the most exciting - both teams with a lot of youth. Bankstown led pretty much the whole game before Sutho got them in the end on the back of some vintage BJ shooting.

Comets were running all over Hills early but the Hills boys didn't give up & reduced the margin to single digits by the end of the game. Strange to see Terrance Rone in green with the much younger Hills squad but the off-season pickup who seemed to have the biggest impact in the game was former Hornsby ABA & SL star, Matt Crowe.

Parra & Hornsby were going almost basket for basket for most of the game but Parra poured on the points when it mattered to win by 10. The speculation that Clint Reed would don the blue & gold this season proved to be correct - there are not a lot of players you could classify as an "upgrade" after losing Lalic but Clint would be one. Hornsby was another side that looked very young - somebody mentioned to me the average age was 22.

It was very strange watching Blake Henricks in the gold & green of the Comets playing against Sutho.

MAIN_MAN

21-02-2010, 09:43 AM

Comets were running all over Hills early but the Hills boys didn't give up & reduced the margin to single digits by the end of the game. Strange to see Terrance Rone in green with the much younger Hills squad but the off-season pickup who seemed to have the biggest impact in the game was former Hornsby ABA & SL star, Matt Crowe.

Yeah, good to see Matty in the Hornet's uniform. He's also having an impact at trainings, a hard working player and a good team guy.

Terrence played for Hills in 03 and 04, so he has been in the green before, but it's been awhile. He will bring composure and veteran leadership.

Daevo

21-02-2010, 10:30 AM

Hi teammates were a bit closer to his own age then ;)

Prodigal

21-02-2010, 04:44 PM

From what I've seen so far it will be a pretty even comp....apart from Parra. With Reed, Veg, Dann, the B brothers and some role players and shooters to grab what minutes they can they simply have far more weapons than anyone else can put on the floor. They can afford to bludge on D and cherry pick for a quarter here and there because when they turn up the heat they are too hard to handle.

Other teams look pretty even, with Comets probably the second best team I saw this weekend.

PS....who the hell was that walking mountain that Parra suited up today. Enough biceps for 3 men!

MAIN_MAN

21-02-2010, 04:47 PM

Hills got up against a Hollis-less Hornsby this arvo. Any other results?

Prodigal

21-02-2010, 04:48 PM

Sharks in the game until half time then the shots stopped dropping. Parra by 30 odd in the end

Daevo

21-02-2010, 05:09 PM

Hills got up against a Hollis-less Hornsby this arvo. Any other results?

PJ-less as well - he didn't play all weekend. They only have PJ, Hollis, Weeks & Unicomb back from last year. The new guys are all pretty young (with one exception, last year's asst coach). Weeks will be their goto man from what I heard the coach telling somebody.

Prodigal

21-02-2010, 05:35 PM

I don't know for sure but from what my sauces tell me, it could be Martin Iti

I agree with your summary as well... Parra has enough firepower so they can just coast most of the game & drop a quick 10 point run on you any time they feel like it.

Nope...not him. Some huge dude who I was told was a Penrith junior who hadn't played for while. Friggin huge unit. I'd hate to have either his food bill or his chemists bill because one way or another it'd be enormous. Not hugely talented as a player but the biggest unit you'll see in the league this year. Set some evil picks

Daevo

21-02-2010, 05:35 PM

who the hell was that walking mountain that Parra suited up today. Enough biceps for 3 men!

Reid Sassenberg - former Penriff junior

Skindog the Hawk

21-02-2010, 05:36 PM

All results on the Bankstown homepage - www.bankstown.basketball.net.au

Prodigal

21-02-2010, 05:49 PM

Reid Sassenberg - former Penriff junior

Whoever he is he should have his own postcode

Daevo

21-02-2010, 05:54 PM

Parra again poured on the points when needed to beat Comets.

thetruth

21-02-2010, 10:40 PM

Sounds like Parra will be the team to beat this year as well.

were there any stand out performances from today? Were there any close games. From what was seen over the week end, what would be the top six? besides the four teams that made it to last years semi's. any other teams that could change that?

Daevo

22-02-2010, 07:40 AM

I didn't see anything at Bankstown to suggest any change to last year's 4 semi-finalists & Parra are clear standouts for my money. Maitland might threaten with Scott McGregor back in their lineup but I think the top 4 still have an edge over the rest, especially in terms of experienced players which imho makes a difference at this level.

If I hear one more coach say "we're young but we're going to make sure we can outrun everybody else", I'm going to give up feigning polite admiration of their tactical genius & just tell them "yeah, you & about 8 other teams" ;)

A Higher Authority

22-02-2010, 04:28 PM

Taking a line through the weekend and adding the missing players, Parramatta appears to read as follows (bearing in mind some of these players can play MULTIPLE positions - although not at the same time :D):

Point: Ing Lau, Steve Hall, Sammy Tsegay
Shooting Guard: Stefan Blaszczynski, Adi Causevic
Three-spot: Clint Reed
Four-spot: Graeme Dann, Kristian Blaszczynski, Charles Bloemen
Centre: Goran Veg, Sam McBeath, Reed Sassenbourg (however it's spelt)

Stefan also covering the three-spot.
Reed also backing up the shooting guard and four-spot.
Dann also backing up the point, shooting guard, three-spot and centre.

Hmmmmmm!

Hornet_Power

23-02-2010, 09:43 AM

[QUOTE=A Higher Authority;210387]Taking a line through the weekend and adding the missing players, Parramatta appears to read as follows (bearing in mind some of these players can play MULTIPLE positions - although not at the same time :D):

Point: Ing Lau, Steve Hall, Sammy Tsegay
Shooting Guard: Stefan Blaszczynski, Adi Causevic
Three-spot: Clint Reed
Four-spot: Graeme Dann, Kristian Blaszczynski, Charles Bloemen
Centre: Goran Veg, Sam McBeath, Reed Sassenbourg (however it's spelt)

Stefan also covering the three-spot.
Reed also backing up the shooting guard and four-spot.
Dann also backing up the point, shooting guard, three-spot and centre.

Hmmmmmm!

Don't forget the 7ft bloke with a 7ft 5 wingspan apparently aswell!!
Add that to the centre position!

MAIN_MAN

23-02-2010, 10:26 AM

Hmmmmmm!

Don't forget the 7ft bloke with a 7ft 5 wingspan apparently aswell!!
Add that to the centre position!

Heard that it's Martin Iti. Played in the US system for afew years in HS and D1 college for UNC Charlotte and New Mexico.

Parra could probably beat every SEABL team with the roster they have

A Higher Authority

23-02-2010, 10:33 AM

The big guy is Sassenbourg, according to Daevo.

Iti played with the Wildcats in Canberra but reportedly has bigger markets on his radar, such as NZ and/or Europe.

I agree this team would do well in SEABL but as with every level of basketball in this country, it's all about the cost. There's no way Parramatta could venture down that path without at least one or two MAJOR sponsors (and that's a shame as we should be trying to get as much entertaining, high-quality basketball as we can in NSW).

MAIN_MAN

23-02-2010, 10:42 AM

The big guy is Sassenbourg, according to Daevo

Heard about him as "the big unit" but heard Iti was amongst the team as well.

Daevo

23-02-2010, 10:44 AM

My information is that Iti is signed to play in NZ for the same team as Luke Martin. Heaven help everybody else if that team doesn't make the finals & these 2 return to play for Parra :rolleyes:

MAIN_MAN

23-02-2010, 10:58 AM

Heaven help everybody else if that team doesn't make the finals & these 2 return to play for Parra :rolleyes:

Don't be afriad. They're only human :p.

Reminds me of the Monstar team from Space Jam playing against the Looney Tunes team.

Daevo

23-02-2010, 03:20 PM

the Looney Tunes team

You should show more respect to your Hills colleagues :p

Prodigal

23-02-2010, 04:56 PM

You should show more respect to your Hills colleagues :p

why....after all they drew with a State League team

StiLL Momentum

23-02-2010, 05:00 PM

Whoever he is he should have his own postcode

lol, post code, that's regulator sensations.

Reid is just big, he plays div 2 and the social comp and they are ok by far. There is another baller on his team who is far better than
Reid and can actually finish around the hoop. Reid is a big big guy bit his play is way overrated. In the end hope he does well.

Prodigal

23-02-2010, 05:06 PM

lol, post code, that's regulator sensations.

Reid is just big, he plays div 2 and the social comp and they are ok by far. There is another baller on his team who is far better than
Reid and can actually finish around the hoop. Reid is a big big guy bit his play is way overrated. In the end hope he does well.

True...like I said, he wasn't too skilfull. He will get 10 rebounds a game though and create some open shots. Getting around his picks require you going via the Cape. In a team like Parra he's perfect because he doesn't have to do anything else.

Hornet_Power

23-02-2010, 07:21 PM

why....after all they drew with a State League team

Yes, but if you look at it that way you may aswell say bankstown state league would have beaten Hornsby aba by 20 aswell

Prodigal

23-02-2010, 07:27 PM

Yes, but if you look at it that way you may aswell say bankstown state league would have beaten Hornsby aba by 20 aswell

I think we've seen way too many times that A beats B, B beats C so A must beat C doesn't always apply. Are you telling us that result wasn't a kick in the guts, even for a trial game? Apart from an aging Brett Foster most of that Bankstown team would just be average players in most local Div 1 comps.

Hornet_Power

23-02-2010, 08:41 PM

I think we've seen way too many times that A beats B, B beats C so A must beat C doesn't always apply. Are you telling us that result wasn't a kick in the guts, even for a trial game? Apart from an aging Brett Foster most of that Bankstown team would just be average players in most local Div 1 comps.

It wasn't a good result but that happens now and again a team thinks there gonna win easily and plays poorly, but the bankstown guys played well and there got some talent,

Daevo

24-02-2010, 08:05 AM

& if Penriff SL had played I'd tip they would have beaten everybody else except maybe Parra.

Prodigal

24-02-2010, 08:13 AM

& if Penriff SL had played I'd tip they would have beaten everybody else except maybe Parra.

And if they played Bankstown SL .....by 50? 60?

MAIN_MAN

24-02-2010, 11:01 AM

Apart from an aging Brett Foster

He was a heck of a player. 6'8, 20/10 player in WABL and a great shot blocker. Could he still be competitive in the WABL?

Skindog the Hawk

24-02-2010, 11:03 AM

He was a heck of a player. 6'8, 20/10 player in WABL and a great shot blocker. Could he still be competitive in the WABL?

Foster could definitely be competitive in Waratah should he so desire, thanks to the distinct lack of height in the league. Having said that, I doubt that he will play Waratah this season, or any other.

Daevo

24-02-2010, 11:08 AM

Especially not with every second coach in the league working on run & gun tactics with their young, under-sized squads ;)

Trigger

24-02-2010, 11:49 AM

& if Penriff SL had played I'd tip they would have beaten everybody else except maybe Parra.

Interesting you say that, because I have it on good authority that Parra ABA are playing a trial game against Penriff SL this w/e. Should be an intriguing affair to see arguably the fav's from both divisions going at it

MAIN_MAN

24-02-2010, 11:51 AM

The players I’m looking forward to watch is
1) Rafty. No doubt I’m a fan of his game. When he’s in the zone, he’s a very good player – plays hardnosed defence and is smart offensively with his variety of post moves.
Here’s hoping he gets playing time with Hornsby, who are quite thin inside. Rafty/Hollis tandem could be quite effective.

2) Sami Tsegay. 5’10 point, plaYed for Glebe juniors and YL with Sydney. Rookie season in the WABL. Crafty point guard with a decent shot. Parra doesn’t have great point guards (with a roster they’ve got, they don’t need to), so let’s see if he can get some playing time.

A Higher Authority

24-02-2010, 02:23 PM

Tsegay was with the Wildcats in 2009 and the Comets in 2008

A Higher Authority

24-02-2010, 02:24 PM

Interesting you say that, because I have it on good authority that Parra ABA are playing a trial game against Penriff SL this w/e. Should be an intriguing affair to see arguably the fav's from both divisions going at it

Do you know where / when?

Cesar

24-02-2010, 02:34 PM

Sami 5'10? He would be 5'7, 5'8 tops. Maybe 5'9 when he grows out the 'fro.

He didn't get much burn last year as Reimer opted for Ing's veteran play, and early season, Ing was playing heaps well.

Then L-Mart came and there were no PG minutes to be had whatsoever.

Daevo

24-02-2010, 02:53 PM

Hornsby, who are quite thin inside.

Were quite thin previously but not this year - Tom Dawson might not be a hulk like Sassenberg but he's still a big boy as I'm sure those here who saw him playing SL will confirm. My guess is he will be the Spiders' goto man inside but they will continue to run their offense around their gun shooters, Weeks & PJ.

I have it on good authority that Parra ABA are playing a trial game against Penriff SL this w/e.

I didn't know that but I checked with my sauces & they confirmed it's on at 11am Saturday. It should be a good game since both teams & several of their players have quite a bit to prove. On the A beats B beats C scenario with the NSW U20 team, Penrith could even be considered favourites but I wouldn't put any money on it.

truthordare

25-02-2010, 02:40 AM

womens news... big events!

1. hornsby coach vlad alada won't be returning staying in perth even after mssing out on the lynx job for next season.

2. huge turnover at hills- they looked a different team in bankstown preseason and in all they have lost

coach turton- gone
herrick- sa aba
roose, brown, lagourcette- spiders
watkins- back to sharks
lewis- hunters or manly

have gained Amanda Ford again though from the loss of parra from the comp.

3. canberra team the favs- i've been told abrams, parrera, bowley from caps and a total of 3 other caps development players are signed with caps long time ac sandy tomley taking charge. building the relationship with the caps. watch out other teams!

4. comets talking to plenty of players... PLENTY but have not signed anyone of their noted targets yet.

5. Norths to sink to the bottom of the ladder- unless they flush some money for an import. we know the answer to that

6. Bankstown- same as always

7. Manly- will battle to hold on to potocki, afeaki and are hoping lewis gets on board. i'm told if the first 2 sign on, she will most likely too.

Interesting year.

Daevo

25-02-2010, 07:57 AM

My information is that Parra will be missing several key players for their game against the Penrith SL team on the weekend. That's a shame because I really would have liked to see these 2 teams playing each other at full strength.

MAIN_MAN

25-02-2010, 08:30 AM

Were quite thin previously but not this year - Tom Dawson might not be a hulk like Sassenberg but he's still a big boy as I'm sure those here who saw him playing SL will confirm. My guess is he will be the Spiders' goto man inside but they will continue to run their offense around their gun shooters, Weeks & PJ.

Sorry. Forgot about him. I've been told that he did well in SL last season, and will hold his own in the WABL.

Interesting about the women teams. It's unfortunate to see some of the long serving Hills girls move on to another club. Canberra may be the gun team, look at all those WNBL experience players!

thetruth

25-02-2010, 09:34 AM

Don't be afriad. They're only human :p.

Reminds me of the Monstar team from Space Jam playing against the Looney Tunes team.

Seems like everyone forgetting about manly, as they only lost by a few points in the grand final and the only team to beat parra last year with or without they're full team.

parra is good and will be even better with the edition of the other guys. but talent can't always win, you need chemistry etc. anything can happen and from what i've read their bench doesnt appear to be that strong once you start subing. i guess the five they can put out their is good enough. so who needs a bench.

Daevo

25-02-2010, 09:48 AM

but will Manly be as good without Rone? ;)

A Higher Authority

25-02-2010, 10:20 AM

Seems like everyone forgetting about manly, as they only lost by a few points in the grand final and the only team to beat parra last year with or without they're full team.

parra is good and will be even better with the edition of the other guys. but talent can't always win, you need chemistry etc. anything can happen and from what i've read their bench doesnt appear to be that strong once you start subing. i guess the five they can put out their is good enough. so who needs a bench.

You did read my earlier post I gather? But then again, given your comments about no strength on the bench, maybe not.:cool:

Point: Ing Lau, Steve Hall, Sammy Tsegay (Two of them good enough to start)
Shooting Guard: Stefan Blaszczynski, Adi Causevic (both good enough to start)
Three-spot: Clint Reed (starter)
Four-spot: Graeme Dann, Kristian Blaszczynski, Charles Bloemen (two good enough to start and the third was the best 6th man in WBL last year (IMO)
Centre: Goran Veg, Sam McBeath, Reed Sassenbourg (One starter and two rookies)

So that's 8 players capable of being in the starting five and a great 6th man (9-deep without considering the rookie centres and the talented back-up point)

Prodigal

25-02-2010, 11:50 AM

You did read my earlier post I gather? But then again, given your comments about no strength on the bench, maybe not.:cool:

Point: Ing Lau, Steve Hall, Sammy Tsegay (Two of them good enough to start)
Shooting Guard: Stefan Blaszczynski, Adi Causevic (both good enough to start)
Three-spot: Clint Reed (starter)
Four-spot: Graeme Dann, Kristian Blaszczynski, Charles Bloemen (two good enough to start and the third was the best 6th man in WBL last year (IMO)
Centre: Goran Veg, Sam McBeath, Reed Sassenbourg (One starter and two rookies)

So that's 8 players capable of being in the starting five and a great 6th man (9-deep without considering the rookie centres and the talented back-up point)

Too right. On the weekend they started Hall and Kristian came off the bench. If they go the same way in regular season that means they'll have him, Chuck Bloeman and Causevic as 6/7/8th men. Those 3 would certainly start on most other teams. Lau and the rest will get junk minutes and basically aren't needed.
Their "weakness" is definitely at the 1 spot (on paper). But seeing as Dann and even Reed can adequately handle things there if necessary then if the guys who could be exposed don't measure up then they'll play even less and just move people up spots.
Manly will be competitive as any team with Ben always will. He is another year older though

stylin

25-02-2010, 12:21 PM

thetruth

25-02-2010, 12:47 PM

[QUOTE=A Higher Authority;211155]You did read my earlier post I gather? But then again, given your comments about no strength on the bench, maybe not.:cool:

actually i did read your post. did you read mine. most of those players outside the first 6 will not get many minutes you should know that.

and if they do, that will be interesting to see, as we all know basketball is a rhythm sport, and some players can play 10 to 15 mins and do well, but players that are used to 35 plus minutes it will be hard to adjust to 20 to 25 mins.

I'm not saying they can't so don't anyone start talking about i'm trying to split the team. this is pure basketball talk. look at any player from any league who were getting major minutes and all of a sudden had to decrease those minutes, those players struggled. it takes a special player to be able to play in those circumstances after being a major minute getter.

now i'm not saying the players are not willing to sacrafice that for the title. what i'm saying is their playing performance may struggle trying to get into a rhthym with limited minutes.

thetruth

25-02-2010, 12:51 PM

Rone didn't really have a good season last year nor did he do much for manly for them to miss him or to affect how they will be this season.

Prodigal

25-02-2010, 12:56 PM

stylin

25-02-2010, 01:00 PM

So we've talked about the known talent. Are there any smokies out there? Unknowns with the potential to dent some reputations this season?

I'll start with John Chaumont. 6'5 swingman that will be running around with the Sharks this year. Still YL age but well beyond that league. Currently running with the Hawks squad as a training player and has the NBL as a goal. Looks to have the talent to get there and one to watch.

Nice to hear talk about John Chaumont on here too! That kid has developed so much! Also a Macarthur junior. I coached him in U/18 div3! The kid had heart and potential but limited talent. In the past 3 years with inspiration from Coach Smith and also D Wong at Macarthur he has developed into a very handy swingman! He has got goals and tyring to make everything possible to make it happen!

A Higher Authority

25-02-2010, 01:28 PM

actually i did read your post. did you read mine. most of those players outside the first 6 will not get many minutes you should know that.

and if they do, that will be interesting to see, as we all know basketball is a rhythm sport, and some players can play 10 to 15 mins and do well, but players that are used to 35 plus minutes it will be hard to adjust to 20 to 25 mins.

I'm not saying they can't so don't anyone start talking about i'm trying to split the team. this is pure basketball talk. look at any player from any league who were getting major minutes and all of a sudden had to decrease those minutes, those players struggled. it takes a special player to be able to play in those circumstances after being a major minute getter.

now i'm not saying the players are not willing to sacrafice that for the title. what i'm saying is their playing performance may struggle trying to get into a rhthym with limited minutes.

Whoa, settle.
No-one accused use of 'trying to split the team'.
However, you did say "and from what i've read their bench doesnt appear to be that strong once you start subing".
That is not implying players won't get court time, it's stating there isn't much talent.
I merely highlighted their abundance of talent :D

thetruth

25-02-2010, 03:05 PM

Whoa, settle.
No-one accused use of 'trying to split the team'.
However, you did say "and from what i've read their bench doesnt appear to be that strong once you start subing".
That is not implying players won't get court time, it's stating there isn't much talent.
I merely highlighted their abundance of talent :D

that comment wasn't meant for you, about splitting the team.

as for talent, those players couldn't just go anywhere and start. the starters could depending on who is starting but not just anyone on that team.

i guess that was the point i was trying to make along with the playing time issue. maybe i should have explained myself better.

A Higher Authority

25-02-2010, 09:11 PM

Very nice team!! But one major thing is that Sam's a Macarthur junior and he is definetly not a Centre. WAY OFF! lol!! Hes a 2/3 man.

I've only seen him at All Schools and he looked about 6'8" (200cm).
If so, he's one heck of a tall 2-man - if I was looking at the right player.

A Higher Authority

25-02-2010, 09:14 PM

that comment wasn't meant for you, about splitting the team.

as for talent, those players couldn't just go anywhere and start. the starters could depending on who is starting but not just anyone on that team.

i guess that was the point i was trying to make along with the playing time issue. maybe i should have explained myself better.

It's already an issue before the season starts.
By all reports, Ing and Adi both received very limited court time last year and it will be an issue.
I think Ing is still to decide between Parramatta WBL and Hornsby SL for that very reason.
Apart from those two, I think you'll find everyone outside the starting 5 will be more than happy to play small roles.

stylin

26-02-2010, 07:57 AM

I've only seen him at All Schools and he looked about 6'8" (200cm).
If so, he's one heck of a tall 2-man - if I was looking at the right player.

Yeh hes pretty tall. Maybe not that tall but close to it. Def not a centre though. The kids got game though!

Daevo

26-02-2010, 08:07 AM

A bit like Dann then

thetruth

26-02-2010, 09:13 AM

Ok, based on what we've seen so far, who are the preseason top 6 this season in order

MAIN_MAN

26-02-2010, 09:16 AM

Ok, based on what we've seen so far, who are the preseason top 6 this season in order

I havent seen any games yet, but I can be positive that Parramatta would be number one :P

thetruth

26-02-2010, 09:20 AM

I havent seen any games yet, but I can be positive that Parramatta would be number one :P

Neither have I, I guess I meant what we've read on here and what have anyone heard about the teams so far?

Any suprisers this year, or pretty much the same as it was last year

Daevo

26-02-2010, 10:13 AM

Top 4 imho will be Parra, Manly, Norths, Comets - too early to tell for the rest.

thetruth

26-02-2010, 12:31 PM

Top 4 imho will be Parra, Manly, Norths, Comets - too early to tell for the rest.

Will hornsby and bankstown round out the six to make it a complete repeat from last year? Or wil someone else sneak in there?

Prodigal

26-02-2010, 12:43 PM

I think Bankstown will be right in the mix, particularly as a certain PG is departing the AIS and will be suiting up for them from what I hear.

Daevo

26-02-2010, 02:36 PM

Watch out for Maitland - they were only 1 win out of the palyoffs last year & have McGregor back this year.

Prodigal

26-02-2010, 03:07 PM

Watch out for Maitland - they were only 1 win out of the palyoffs last year & have McGregor back this year.

So you're tipping that won't handicap them too much? ;)

MAIN_MAN

26-02-2010, 06:34 PM

I think Bankstown will be right in the mix, particularly as a certain PG is departing the AIS and will be suiting up for them from what I hear.

Interesting. I'm guessing it's Franco...or Urwin?

A Higher Authority

26-02-2010, 07:22 PM

Interesting. I'm guessing it's Franco...or Urwin?

Well, they're both with the Bruins.

Daevo

26-02-2010, 07:31 PM

Back to the Parra vs Penrith SL game, in addition to a number of Parra's key players missing, Hawkesley & Slack (& maybe others) won't be playing for Penrith so for it's shaping up as a bit of a yawn.

Pity - maybe we can get them to play again at the other end of the season. If they both dominate their respective competitions as many expect, I'd pay to see that.

Prodigal

26-02-2010, 08:22 PM

Interesting. I'm guessing it's Franco...or Urwin?

Ummm....neither of those guys have been anywhere near the AIS. Was I too cryptic? Jason Cadee

Hornet_Power

26-02-2010, 08:38 PM

Top 4 imho will be Parra, Manly, Norths, Comets - too early to tell for the rest.

Hornets top 6 for 2010, wait n see

Skindog the Hawk

27-02-2010, 12:25 AM

Ummm....neither of those guys have been anywhere near the AIS. Was I too cryptic? Jason Cadee

If Cadee returns he will put them right in the mix, however wasn't he keen on college???

SD.

MAIN_MAN

27-02-2010, 06:35 PM

Ummm....neither of those guys have been anywhere near the AIS. Was I too cryptic? Jason Cadee

No you weren't being too cryptic. My mistake, I misread your post. I thought you meant "departing for the AIS" and I was too surprise to see Franco with the Bruins, so thought it may have been him.

MAIN_MAN

27-02-2010, 06:35 PM

Hornets top 6 for 2010, wait n see

I like this! :)

Van Exel

28-02-2010, 06:34 PM

I like this! :)

Hornets top 6 for 2010, wait n see

You are kidding yourself. Did you see how bad they were at the Bankstown Tournament. I wouldn't be surprised if they are in the hunt for the wooden spoon again this year. It just depends on how much worse some of those other teams have gotten

getadogupya

01-03-2010, 09:36 AM

I think Bankstown will be right in the mix, particularly as a certain PG is departing the AIS and will be suiting up for them from what I hear.

Bankstown play Norths at Bankstown tomorrow night at 8pm. Should give you some indication of Bankstowns and Norths chances for the season....

thetruth

03-03-2010, 09:39 AM

With season just a bit over a week away, has everyone seen the first round schedule? what are the tips, or should i be waiting for at least next week?

any upsets predicted?

thetruth

03-03-2010, 09:42 AM

Will Manly stay undefeated for as long as they did last year?

Will Parra go undefeated for the season?

thetruth

03-03-2010, 09:53 AM

Bankstown play Norths at Bankstown tomorrow night at 8pm. Should give you some indication of Bankstowns and Norths chances for the season....

How did this game go? any information

Prodigal

03-03-2010, 10:18 AM

With season just a bit over a week away, has everyone seen the first round schedule? what are the tips, or should i be waiting for at least next week?

any upsets predicted?

Round 1

Parra V Bruins
Canberra V Newie
Comets V Hornsby
Norths V Hills
Sharks V Hornsby (Sunday)

I'm going with all the home teams (men)

Prodigal

03-03-2010, 10:23 AM

Full draw here

http://www.waratah.basketball.net.au/_uploads/res/102_47936.pdf

getadogupya

04-03-2010, 09:02 AM

How did this game go? any information

I've been told Norths won by 1 on the final buzzer on a rebound put back, 59-58.

Hornet_Power

04-03-2010, 11:07 AM

Round 1

Parra V Bruins
Canberra V Newie
Comets V Hornsby
Norths V Hills
Sharks V Hornsby (Sunday)

I'm going with all the home teams (men)

Parra
newcastle
comets
hills
Hornsby

all with the W's

A Higher Authority

04-03-2010, 02:31 PM

I can only go on which teams I've seen this year.
Wildcats over Bruins
Canberra v Newcastle ??????
Comets over Spiders
Bears over Hornets
Spiders over Sharks (even at home)

HILLSD1

04-03-2010, 05:47 PM

parra
newcastle
comets
hills
hornsby

all with the w's

i agree with these tips canberra is an unknown quantity at this time..

Hills will have to play well to get the "w"
i rate norths so it is a win that would mean something to us:)

Van Exel

04-03-2010, 06:00 PM

Hornet_Power

04-03-2010, 09:55 PM

Where's all this Hills talk coming from? Didn't anybody watch the Bankstown Tournament. They stank, the only team that stank more was hornsby. I don't understand where the confidence is coming from. I don't understand how losing Jason Strong and Mark Smith only to be replaced by an ageing Terrance Rone and Andre Boykin does anything to inspire anybody's confidence. The only thing that could possibly see Hills improve a spot or two is the fact that some of the other teams in the comp also got worse

Most people know you can't go off pre season as how a team will perform throughout a season, and if you watched pre season most teams poor perform and are just testing alot of plays and brushn the cob webs most teams were doing 5 on 5 off subs and playing to prepare for the season.

Clips

04-03-2010, 11:30 PM

Mu understanding is that the Canberra boys will be a young team and have a rotation of 2 Gunners 11-15 spot players playing down in Waratah.

Van Exel

05-03-2010, 06:55 AM

Most people know you can't go off pre season as how a team will perform throughout a season, and if you watched pre season most teams poor perform and are just testing alot of plays and brushn the cob webs most teams were doing 5 on 5 off subs and playing to prepare for the season.

I like your optimism, but it's misplaced and your talking with your heart rather then your head when you think that this hills team will be any good

MAIN_MAN

05-03-2010, 07:09 AM

Where's all this Hills talk coming from? Didn't anybody watch the Bankstown Tournament. They stank, the only team that stank more was hornsby. I don't understand where the confidence is coming from. I don't understand how losing Jason Strong and Mark Smith only to be replaced by an ageing Terrance Rone and Andre Boykin does anything to inspire anybody's confidence. The only thing that could possibly see Hills improve a spot or two is the fact that some of the other teams in the comp also got worse

Last season was a rebuilding year for us. The team is now familiar with Curt's coaching style and we will be better this season. Everyone is on the same page, we have a good core of younger players (25 and under) and Terrence and Andre will provide that veteran leadership. Let me tell you that Terrence can still play and Andre will do the little things that count.

Losing Jason and Mark is a lost but we've recovered and have improved players and will be very competitive.