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[stylin]

So the SBL meeting was on the weekend? I didnt get a chance to get out there as i had a mates bucks party on and was firing paintballs all day!

Whats the info? I heard that everyone wasts it changed from how bad it was last year. Clubs dont wanna follow the womens teams as there is more mens teams and its a seperate comp. Teams dont want difference in the pools. Like last year Pool D had 21 games and B & C had only 12.

[Skindog the Hawk]

Several proposals were put to the teams prior to the meeting - it is a fait accompli that there will be a far Northern pool (Pool A), no matter what. The unfortunate thing is that this pool will simply have 5 teams, play every one 3 times for a total of 12 games.

The decision was whether there are another 2 or 3 pools. If they go with the 4-pool version then it will be Pools B & C (Central and Southern) and Pool D (the Men only pool which ends up being mostly Metro teams). If they go with the 3-pool version then there will be 2 huge pools who play each other twice for an inordinate number of games.

Either way, there shouldn't be a repeat of Pool C being decidedly weak in 2010 as it was in 2009.

Should know more soon.

SD.

[A Higher Authority]

News just through - the Blacktown Storm defeated the Parramatta Wildcats 70-69 in their 2nd div / 1st div challenge game.
Last second 3-point shot off the backboard to win the game and send Parramatta back to 2nd div in 2010 - Storm up to 1st Div for the first time ever.

The Ryde Bulls (1st in 2nd div 2009) were also playing the Sutherland Sharks (last in 1st div in 2009) today for the same reason - no result as yet.

[The Unbias Bias]

Ryde are also putting in a state league team, will be interesting to see how they go. Once anyone gets news of whether bnsw will be going with 3 or 4 pools be sure to put it up. I hope it stays with 4 pools.

[Skindog the Hawk]

The Ryde Bulls (1st in 2nd div 2009) were also playing the Sutherland Sharks (last in 1st div in 2009) today for the same reason - no result as yet.

Sutherland Sharks 59 (34) (T Hemsley 12, J Lewis 11, J Freshwater 10, M Shanahan 8, A Kunzel 8, I Borskovski 4, B Hill 4,M Dapondreus 2) def Ryde Bulls 50(33) (R Assef 13, N Mannah 11, S Woodhall 7, W Halahala 7, J Lumkom 6, C Noone 4, K Parwada 2)

[Skindog the Hawk]

Ryde are also putting in a state league team, will be interesting to see how they go. Once anyone gets news of whether bnsw will be going with 3 or 4 pools be sure to put it up. I hope it stays with 4 pools.

It will be interesting to see the pools come up - my mail is that it will be almost definitely 4 pools.

My ideas for the 4 pools
Pool A - Northern
Grafton
Lismore
Coffs Harbour
Port Macquarie
Newcastle
Armidale
Tamworth
Cessnock (if nominated)
Maitland

Pool B - Southern
Wagga
Griffith
Queanbeyan
Goulburn
Moss Vale
Shoalhaven
Illawarra #2

Pool C - Western
Dubbo
Bathurst
Hawkesbury
Penrith
Springwood
Blacktown
CC Crusaders
Lake Macquarie/Tuggerah

Pool D - "the Others"
Bankstown
Glebe
Norths
Macarthur
Hornsby
CC Power
Ryde (if nominated)
Illawarra #1

Pretty much everyone gets what they want - closer games geographically and no "killer" pools.

SD.

[Daevo]

No killer pools ????

Pool C - Western
Dubbo
Bathurst
Hawkesbury
Penrith
Springwood
Blacktown
CC Crusaders
Lake Macquarie/Tuggerah

That is a very tough pool if history is any guide although I hear there could be quite a few changes out in western Sydney.

[The Unbias Bias]

Yeah where did you get the pool allocations from? From what i know Illawarra wont put in a 2nd team if its in the southern pool. And newcastle traveling in the northern pool along with maitland??? And why have CC power been moved to pool D? That'd make newcastle & maitland in one pool, than Lake Mac CCC in another, and than CC power by themselves. So 3 different pools although they're within say an hour of each other? Plus Norths aren't having a team from what i hear.

[Daevo]

Yeah where did you get the pool allocations from?

He made them up.

[Lemon Custard]

It will be interesting to see the pools come up - my mail is that it will be almost definitely 4 pools.

My ideas for the 4 pools
Pool A - Northern
Grafton
Lismore
Coffs Harbour
Port Macquarie
Newcastle
Armidale
Tamworth
Cessnock (if nominated)
Maitland


Unlikely..

[The Unbias Bias]

Yeah sorry i skipped over the 'my ideas' headline SD, my fault. From the sound of it the mens/womens pool will still go ahead. The pooling is only half the problem though, they need to fix the semi finals system so you dont have Illawarra, who could beat penrith or any of the other top 4 teams on their day playing in some meaningless GF where they win by 50. I actually liked that idea from 2008 where there was that one weekend of cross overs between country-metro. That gives a pre semifinal indication of who and how many of each country or metro teams should make the finals.

[Skindog the Hawk]

Yeah the pools were a concept I think could work - Blacktown will be nothing special, however Springwood, Hawkesbury & Penrith can all play each other and satisfy their primieval urges to beat the crap outta each other regularly. In terms of toughness you could swap Power & Crusaders if you think my proposed Pool C is too tough Daevo. ;)

As for Illawarra's "second team" - they're the Youth League graduates and hence, playing in the Southern pool would be the best thing for them IMHO. They can get used to the travel that they'll need to do as they shouldn't consider themselves to be a metro team. If they don't want to play then no big loss - they'd get murdered against a pool similar to last year's Pool D IMHO.

By the way, my mail was that the male/female connection was to be broken completely, with the Mens' ools and Womens' pools to be run completely separately. If the draw has both the Men and the Women playing together then so be it, but if they don't then they don't...this was apparently voted on by the clubs at their meeting and agreed on.

What's the story with Farmidale LC??

FWIW I'm looking forward to SBL2010... :)

SD.

[Lemon Custard]

What's the story with Farmidale LC??

Well... they keep nominating a ref who won't be here next year which is vastly annoying... but aside from that, they're trying to keep the option of having a team open, but the reality is, the majority of guys in the team, plus the hacky guys running it who automatically got a spot on the team are all leaving town next year, such is the hell of trying to run a team in a uni town. So they don't actually have anyone for the team... it'd be worse than this year, and THAAAAT'S bad.

What Armidale REALLY needs is a YL team. There are a lot of awesome young guys they risk losing to Tamworth that are just coming up through the ranks, and they need experience at a higher level than NJL. Once they build up that solid base, IMO only then should they try for SL.

[Daevo]

this was apparently voted on by the clubs at their meeting and agreed on

By the clubs but not by BNSW I hear ;)

[stylin]

It will be interesting to see the pools come up - my mail is that it will be almost definitely 4 pools.

My ideas for the 4 pools
Pool A - Northern
Grafton
Lismore
Coffs Harbour
Port Macquarie
Newcastle
Armidale
Tamworth
Cessnock (if nominated)
Maitland

Pool B - Southern
Wagga
Griffith
Queanbeyan
Goulburn
Moss Vale
Shoalhaven
Illawarra #2

Pool C - Western
Dubbo
Bathurst
Hawkesbury
Penrith
Springwood
Blacktown
CC Crusaders
Lake Macquarie/Tuggerah

Pool D - "the Others"
Bankstown
Glebe
Norths
Macarthur
Hornsby
CC Power
Ryde (if nominated)
Illawarra #1

Pretty much everyone gets what they want - closer games geographically and no "killer" pools.

SD.

Thats pretty good. Nearly 8 teams is each. I like that format. Pool C is strong along with Pool D. Both have a good strong 3 teams that should prb be in the finals. Hawkesbury, Penrith and Crusaders. Macarthur, Bankstown and Illawarra. So its good all round. Basically all pools have gotten stronger.

[The Unbias Bias]

Thats pretty good. Nearly 8 teams is each. I like that format. Pool C is strong along with Pool D. Both have a good strong 3 teams that should prb be in the finals. Hawkesbury, Penrith and Crusaders. Macarthur, Bankstown and Illawarra. So its good all round. Basically all pools have gotten stronger.

Except for pool D which by this format suggests overall it will be quite a bit weaker. At the meeting basically everyone agreed that the women shouldnt interfere with the mens and its reflected in this format presented by SD. I honestly dont mind what he's suggested except that the central coast and newcastle area teams would be chucking a fit seeing teams from that region spread over 3 pools. Asking Maitland or Newcastle to go to lismore is too much of an effort, and vice versa. Apart from that it's not too bad. Like i've said before though fixing the pools is only half the problem, rearranging the semis so that the best teams get a chance for finals weekend is my other major concern.

[Skindog the Hawk]

Daevo - Consistent problem from year to year of course - the key point here is that the clubs seem to be getting the irrits with them agreeing together about what they want and then BNSW not doing it...makes you wonder when something's going to give.

Stylin - Keep in mind that the 4 pool, almost 8 team system is my thoughts only, not exactly what may or will happen. You may well find that Newcastle, Cessnock & Maitland would spit the dummy over being popped into Pool A (fair bit of travel there, but definitely scope for road trips) but asides from that, I would think that it's a good proposal.

The Unbias Bias - The key complaint that's levelled at the pools system is that you have unnecessarily stacked pools (read: Pool D for the past two years) and then you have a finals series where there are unnecessary blowouts. Hence, "Pool D" really shouldn't be compared between 2008, 2009 and my proposal for 2010. The aim should really be for geographic pooling (within reason) and you try and get some parity between pools.

Now...the key point is what happens when BNSW come out with their proposed pools. I know some BNSW'ers read these pages and I know that they're reading this thread...it'd be interesting to see what happens from here.

Sd.

[Daevo]

So with trials now well underway, how are teams shaping up for 2007?

Some snippets I've heard:

- Penrith will reportedly be missing young star Tom Dawson who is headed to ABA but word is that they could see the return of some prodigal sons to keep them high on the list of favourites to win another pennant.

- Meanwhile, local Riverland rivals who I recall Unbias calling the "Penrith 2 Team" may be short a key player or 3 so will that shatter their hopes of getting that elusive wall covering? Rumours that they might need a new coach have proven to be unfounded so perhaps they might have some surprises in store.

- Speaking of Unbias, what's the story with the mountain men next year. Has Vince finally retired & handed over the reins this time? Any major changes to the lineup... other than the weekly ones we've become used to that is ;)

- There are rumblings that Hornsby is assembling a very capable team that could well be contenders. Like the mountain men, just getting getting close to a full squad to turn up each week will be a good start :p but I hear they have some useful talent in their lineup that could see a return to the glory days for the Spiders in SBL.

- Blacktown are still talking of having a senior team to partner their YL men who qualified for Div 1 knocking over rival neighbours Parramatta by a single point from a banked buzzer-beater 3-pointer (news courtesy of A Higher Authority). There were whispers of an already depleted neighbouring side possibly losing a big player or 2 to this startup (upstart?) club but so far nobody is saying much about who they've got other than a core from a local club team.

- What about the Bruins? How are they shaping up SD?

- Any news from the central coast, Hunter & regions between &/or beyond?

OK, that's the pot stirred a little, anybody have anything else to contribute? :p

[A Higher Authority]

Blacktown's plans of two YL teams has reportedly sunk, with just a couple of extras turning up at trials (therefore one only).
SL may also be more of a challenge than Blacktown anticipated.

Rumour: Vince Browning to turn up as head coach of Lake Macquarie :cool:

[Daevo]

Rumour: Vince Browning to turn up as head coach of Lake Macquarie :cool:

Ha! Now that's one I thought was just somebody being funny but not out of character if it's true.

[Skindog the Hawk]

- What about the Bruins? How are they shaping up SD?
Team already announced and ready to go for 2010. (http://www.bankstown.basketball.net.au/index.php?id=57)

[stylin]

Vince is the coach of Lake Macquaire. Had a mate try out there.

Pools are done.

Pool D is worse off then any year that NSWBL has organised! Its gone from the pool of death to the lose a game and your out pool! lol! The top 4 is gonna be HELL tuff!

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2971/pools.jpg


But the geographical sense is quite good.

A - As usual all in the North.
B - All south with the inclusion of an Illawarra team which makes sense.
C - All North of Sydney and off the freeway except Illawarra so has been worked out really well.
D - All west of Sydney so good formation. Just tuff with 3 semi final teams in 1 pool. Also Bankstown is always strong!

[The Unbias Bias]

If these are the final pool allignments all i can say is wow! To be honest though at least the 'womens only' pool crap is gone, which I'm sure everyone from pool D will be happy about. Illawarra said that if they're in the southern pool they'll definitely only have 1 team, so by splitting them into 2 pools im not sure where this leaves them? If pools C & D have 2 more teams in each, and have to play more games, it'd be good to see them getting an extra team into the semis but i'm pretty confident that wont happen. But you're right stylin geographically it appears to be better off, for now.

[Skindog the Hawk]

Those are pretty much the groups which I proposed earlier in this thread, so if it's true then that is a good thing.

Unbias - Illawarra are putting in two teams this year! The White team are the guys who have graduated out of Youth League and they have no problem with the travel concept and they will benefit from playing in an arguably easier pool. The Red team are the Illawarra SBL team of the past few years and they are (as requested) in a Metro-style pool, however if anything Pool C has more of a northern touch than anything...maybe swapping Ryde with Illawarra Red would have been a better idea?

Interesting to see Norths are not in though...anybody know what happened there?

SD.

[Daevo]

Good to see we can rely on you for breaking news from 2 months ago SD :p

[The Unbias Bias]

Yeah that's good if they don't mind the travel and they are in effect the Illawarra (2) squad, being in an easier pool will make it a better transition for them. Does anyone severely disagree with the new pool alignments? I think it's a lot fairer in terms of equality of games and travel for almost all the teams. My only question still remains over how many from each pool make the semis, I've made up my own scenario for what I think would be best but my best bet will be that they go with the top 2 from each pool.

I believe the top 3 from both the east and western pools should make div 1 semis while the top 2 from the southern and northern pools make it. So 10 teams in total, number 1 ranked teams from east and west get a first round bye and the other 8 play off as usual in the cross-over format. So first from north plays second from west, second in north plays third from west, first from south plays second from east, etc. Than the 4 winners from these 4 games obviously go through to the second round along with the 2 highest ranked losers, who play off against the number 1 ranked teams from east & west. Than the 4 winners go through to the finals weekend.

[Skindog the Hawk]

Interesting thought that Unbias - that would reward the tougher pools, however I don't know how BNSW would go with scheduling that one or whether teams in Pools A &/or B would complain....but anywho...

SD.

[A Higher Authority]

There's bound to be some changes.
Blacktown are still doubtful, according to gossip close to the group.

[StiLL Momentum]

That's sux about blacktown, could be worse though. Could be the jets, back to the bottom of the ladder.

Seriously, this season will be a good one to watch

[stylin]

Those are pretty much the groups which I proposed earlier in this thread, so if it's true then that is a good thing.

Unbias - Illawarra are putting in two teams this year! The White team are the guys who have graduated out of Youth League and they have no problem with the travel concept and they will benefit from playing in an arguably easier pool. The Red team are the Illawarra SBL team of the past few years and they are (as requested) in a Metro-style pool, however if anything Pool C has more of a northern touch than anything...maybe swapping Ryde with Illawarra Red would have been a better idea?
Interesting to see Norths are not in though...anybody know what happened there?
SD.

Norths just are gonna focus on ABA i guess.

Illawarra need to be in pool C. If in Pool D it would be stupid to have only 2 teams out of Macarthur, Penrith, Hawkesbury, Illawarra & possibly Bankstown make the finals.


I believe the top 3 from both the east and western pools should make div 1 semis while the top 2 from the southern and northern pools make it. So 10 teams in total, number 1 ranked teams from east and west get a first round bye and the other 8 play off as usual in the cross-over format. So first from north plays second from west, second in north plays third from west, first from south plays second from east, etc. Than the 4 winners from these 4 games obviously go through to the second round along with the 2 highest ranked losers, who play off against the number 1 ranked teams from east & west. Than the 4 winners go through to the finals weekend.

I really like this idea! It needs to be implemented but the country assoc wont let it happen and BNSW wont favour this even though the history of finals shows the metro teams as the strongest.

[The Unbias Bias]

Nice preseason prediction about who the top 4 from the western pool will be, doubt it will be those exact 4 you stated, but however only time will tell.

[StiLL Momentum]

Yeah I dont see the jets making the playoffs this year,

Pen, Mac are pretty much in, Penrith will have a good squad this year, better than last which could mean 4 in a row. I like what Ill is doing with the whole 2 teams, nice.

Personally I'm looking forward to seeing Lake Macquarie play, lol. I heard their team will be as weak as their home stadium, tho I'm saying this hearing from others.

[stylin]

Im just going on hte past 4 years of finals... Really have no idea as Ryde or Blacktown could be strong???

Has Penrith still got Dawson or has he gone to ABA?

Ive got a mate who said he may play SL for Penrith... Im hoping he doesnt cause he destroys ABA as it is. I wont say names incase he hasnt turned up. lol!

[A Higher Authority]

Penrith's two gun rookies of 2009 (Dawson and Albert) have both left.
Dawson is at Hornsby (WBL) and Albert is at AFL.

However, there is reportedly an influx of talent coming back from Hawkesbury so they won't be short of quality (and more experienced) replacements.

Add your ABA mate and it sounds like they'll definitely be stronger in 2010.

[The Unbias Bias]

It's not an influx of Hawkesbury talent, it's a return of the Panthers (2) squad. Never the less they'll be strong, but the Finals weekend can bring many surprises as everyone watching saw this season.

[A Higher Authority]

I said "an influx of talent from Hawkesbury" not "an influx of Hawkesbury talent".
If you must pick me up on grammar, read what I wrote.

Also I can class the two best players from Hawkesbury (ex-Penrith originally) going to Penrith as an influx, as it is also an outpouring from Hawkesbury which will decimate their squad.

[The Unbias Bias]

Wow calm down, it's not asthough anyone is picking on your grammatical skills here, i'm agreeing with you. They're squad is or will be completely decimated to the improvement of their closest rival. For some reason I do not expect to see Hawkesbury take 2/3 from Penrith this year! Any news on Blacktown's situation? From what I know of that place I doubt that between them they could compile the application form and send it to bnsw to even enter the competition.

[A Higher Authority]

All calm!

No news on SL from Blacktown but from recent conversations around the circuit, there seems to be a push by a few (many?) clubs to stop Blacktown playing Div 1 YL, in spite of the fact they won the challenge :???:

"They're not worthy" is apparently the argument.

In regards to Penrith, if all the rumours are true, there may be some players who simply don't get in there and are just left with Hawkesbury.

Also, reportedly, the Scorchers "look very good" for next year, although that came from a connection to a source who got it from someone else.

[Trigger]

It's not an influx of Hawkesbury talent, it's a return of the Panthers (2) squad. Never the less they'll be strong, but the Finals weekend can bring many surprises as everyone watching saw this season.

Does anybody have any idea who the individuals are that make up this 'influx of talent'

I cant imagine Godwin would be one of the players leaving the crash landed jets?

[Skindog the Hawk]

No news on SL from Blacktown but from recent conversations around the circuit, there seems to be a push by a few (many?) clubs to stop Blacktown playing Div 1 YL, in spite of the fact they won the challenge :???

It'd be interesting to know who is disgruntled with the Storm making it into Division 1...would it be the Association who lost their challenge game in 2008/9 and then challenged the BNSW Board over it, or would it be the Association that recently challenged the SJC Clubs Committee over their "two teams per age group" rule to the BNSW Board (and won)??? Or would it be a team that lost their challenge game this off-season?

At the end of the day, the rules have been set, the teams know it - don't finish last or second last - and Blacktown won...fair and square. Parramatta and Ryde must now play a year of Division 2 along with the Newcastle's and all the other challengers and works their arses off to attempt to get back to Division 1.

SD.

[stylin]

If its Hawkesburys talent and former Penrith players then its Hawksley and Skinner?

Yeh ive heard Springwood are much tuffer! Will be nice to see the first weeks draw to get an idea of whos who.

Just checked Hawkesburys website and the only team not picked is the SL.

Blacktown should def be in div 1 if they won there game and proved them self! Shouldnt be a question. If they lose everygame they still deserved to be there over the team they beat in their challenge.

[A Higher Authority]

I heard Hawkesley and Wells but I wouldn't be surprised if others also showed up at Penrith for trials.
Once a couple go, others tend to become nervous.

[StiLL Momentum]

Stylin,

could this aba player be Mr. Hays for penrith?

:)

[stylin]

Stylin,
could this aba player be Mr. Hays for penrith?
:)

Nah its not. I heard of him "apparently" living out that way. But the guy it is has opted to stay ABA this year again. FEW!!!!!!!

[StiLL Momentum]

Nah its not. I heard of him "apparently" living out that way. But the guy it is has opted to stay ABA this year again. FEW!!!!!!!

Lol. Yeah have been hearing about Mr. Hays thinking about playing at Jets or Panthers, not sure how reliable the source is though.

[The Unbias Bias]

I heard he was now living in Penrith but no one I know has said if he has or hasn't turned up to any trials with Penrith, the 22-1's or any one else.

[StiLL Momentum]

So, Tony Lalic is playing in Penrith???

They went from powerhouse to the rest of the competition is playing for 2nd place it seems?

overkill much?

[A Higher Authority]

You have to feel some sympathy for Penrith - they did lose their two best rookies of 2009.
They've had to rummage around in off-cuts and ONLY found Hawkesley, Crane, Wells and Lalic
Penrith's opponents are probably looking like this - :fight:

[The Unbias Bias]

More importantly than Penrith and their revamped roster is the whereabouts of Trailblazer. I'm still waiting for his resurrection and words of wisdom for Hawkesbury (since that's what they are now, not the Panthers #2 squad) towards the upcoming season to lighten up this thread!

[Chucker]

More importantly than Penrith and their revamped roster is the whereabouts of Trailblazer. I'm still waiting for his resurrection and words of wisdom for Hawkesbury (since that's what they are now, not the Panthers #2 squad) towards the upcoming season to lighten up this thread!

Not sure if I'm seeing too much sympathy for the Hawkesbury team... But doesn't say much for the guys who go back and forwards. Not exactly a case of pride or loyalty to their team.

[Daevo]

Some players had only moved to Hawkesbury due to their past association with the coach while for others it was a chance to play in a team with mates. My information was that it was not exactly a happy camp & I guess the disappointing result in the semi-final added its own sour note to the season.

I think the fact that players look like being welcomed back to Penrith with open arms puts the lie to the BS often posted in this forum about key personalities holding grudges against players who are not given a fair go & teams not being selected on merit. There was certainly quite a bit of bitterness among some in the west over the defections to Hawkesbury but it seems there were no bridges burnt by these players at least. From what I know of who trialed I'd guess that no fewer than 6 & possibly even 7 or 8 of this year's team will be players who at some time since juniors have left to play elsewhere & now returned.

Don't feel too sorry for Hawkesbury since they still have quite a few former Penrith players - there are plenty to go around after all ;)

[StiLL Momentum]

Not sure if I'm seeing too much sympathy for the Hawkesbury team... But doesn't say much for the guys who go back and forwards. Not exactly a case of pride or loyalty to their team.

There is no loyalty mate. They went to Hawkesbury and failed, so with their tales between their legs they come back. It also brings the mindset of the coach into it too.

I mean one particular player did nothing but bad mouth Penrith for the time he was "elsewhere" (much like Trailblazer is from the Forums) and then comes back to Penrith from Hawkes after he realises they (Jets) choked more than someone giving DT in the semis and gets into the team, where some player in Penrith who has stayed with the association gets brushed aside. I personally dont see that as fair.

From what I have seen and experienced there isnt much loyalty in either association when it comes to Reps. It's all about "How can I use you to get me somewhere better, i am willing to forget everything just as long as it gives us a win" I mean its not like this is Pro ball, where that would count a bit more.

Coops, has done a great job, and I understand he wants to put a team to woop ass, but I mean why take back these guys that turned their back on the team and the association?

That's just my feeling. This is not a bashing or talking down people, just my thoughts.

your thoughts?

Daveo, So The former Panthers 2 team the Jets have some more Panthers playing there? I have heard they have got some key additions to their team from Penrith (clearly as a team consisted of only Hawkes players have as much chance of winning as Ben Wallace hitting a 3). It will be an interesting to see who wins second as I said earlier, 1st is locked and loaded.

[Chucker]

The only positive I can see is that it gives some of the younger Hawkesbury guys a chance to play against good competition, maybe some will fill the void left by the Penrith guys.

I think Hawkesbury went about it the wrong way. They come into state league then went all out to win it too quickly, and all that has done is put them further behind. If the players listed are the ones who left, I could see this years team having trouble matching their poor record of their first year.

Break it down and give the young ones a go. Except for size, they have some talented players.

[stylin]

So, Tony Lalic is playing in Penrith???
They went from powerhouse to the rest of the competition is playing for 2nd place it seems?
overkill much?

Im not so sure about that... Other teams have got some very nice new recruits!

[Daevo]

Well Penrith's 2010 State League "elect"* team beat the NSW U20 mens team by a point in a recent trial game after Lalic hit a long range trey on the buzzer. The same U20 team beat Parra's Waratah team at close to full strength by 9 so that gives you some idea of the level Penrith will be at this year. Oh yeah, Penrith was missing Josh Morehead & Ben Hawkesley for that game too & you'd think they would have made a small contribution to the result ;)

* I say "elect" because I believe the team has been picked but not yet officially announced.

They aren't the only ones keeping things close to their chest since Hawkesbury has also selected a team (with some new ex-Panthers faces I hear) but are not saying anything either.

Nominations closed last weekend I believe so we should soon see what the makeup of this year's competition will be.

[Chucker]

Just name ur teams... It ain't like it's a federal election.

[StiLL Momentum]

Just name ur teams... It ain't like it's a federal election.

lol.

I'm sorry Stylin', but everyone else is playing for second. This team isnt the Jets from last season. They wont crash.

This team should dominate the competition easily, as Daveo stated, they beat the U20 state team that beat the Waratah Champions Wildcats team.

Hey prove me wrong and take it from them, I doubt it very much so

[stylin]

lol.
I'm sorry Stylin', but everyone else is playing for second. This team isnt the Jets from last season. They wont crash.
This team should dominate the competition easily, as Daveo stated, they beat the U20 state team that beat the Waratah Champions Wildcats team.
Hey prove me wrong and take it from them, I doubt it very much so

Wow! Impressive result! Hadnt heard about them games so that says a lot... Who are the new pick ups they got? Only Lalic? Any other ABA fellas come down?

[Daevo]

My information is that Penrith also has a former Hornsby ABA player & of course both Hawkesley & Crane both played ABA in the past (as did a few others from last year's team).

Speaking of Hornsby, I hear they have 4 or 5 former ABA players in their team this year too Sylin' so you might need to do some recruiting in addition to Tim ;) Who is replacing Mitch now he's gone to the Spiders ABA?

[Trigger]

So let me get this right. The Panthers, defending three time premiers, have added lalic (nbl & aba) crane (aba) hawkesley (aba) and another hornsby aba player to there already too strong for state league squad?

BNSW shouldnt even let this happen. It seems to me that team on paper would do well in Waratah

[The Unbias Bias]

Lalic is a great player but I dont think he ever played NBL? And it's funny that no one has mentioned that Cooper coaches both the Penrith SL and NSW U20s teams, so who knows what effect that had on the outcome of the game compared to when Parra lost to them. I'd be more convinced of Penrith's 'inconquerable' status if they beat Parra's WABL team, until then I wouldn't be singing their praises and complaining about 'why they have so many good players on one team....' just yet.

By dominating state league for 4-5 years straight doesn't just prove how good a team they are, it also highlights how piss poor the association is for sticking at this level for so long. No other 'big 8' associations are hanging around in state league with their top-tier men's squad, they're actually playing where they belong: in WABL. If anything it's to the detriment of the association to stay in state league. It doesn't offer a pathway to a higher level for any up & comers. If you want to play against better competition you have to do what Dawson did, which was to pack up and leave!

[Daevo]

He was taken on by the Pigs as a development player a few years ago but didn't stick around since I don't think he was too keen playing for peanuts. So you are both right since I guess he was technically associated with an NBL team but never actually played NBL.

[The Unbias Bias]

I knew he was training with them but wasn't sure if he ever actually suited up or got on the court for them at any point. As far as playing for peanuts you're 100% correct. He probly spent all of his own money & time for nothing but sweat & empty promises.

[stylin]

Lalic was a development player but he shouldve been more then that. No way he was gonna sit around working hard for a couple thousand at most.

A few teams in SBL could go up to ABA and be competitive. Penrith seem to have a lot of sponsorship but i guess they are happy playing SBL. Its really up to them so ive got no comment on it.

Yeh i thought there was rules for "restricted players" coming from ABA. I thought it was only 1 allowed per team from the previous season. So with Crane & Hawksley its fine but to have Lalic and this Hornsby player, isnt that against the by laws?

[Daevo]

I don't think past ABA players are restricted but even if they were, it would only be for the following season & Lalic is the only one there to play ABA in 2009 so from what I hear, that puts Penriff in the same boat as Macarthur :p.

[Skindog the Hawk]

By dominating state league for 4-5 years straight doesn't just prove how good a team they are, it also highlights how piss poor the association is for sticking at this level for so long. No other 'big 8' associations are hanging around in state league with their top-tier men's squad, they're actually playing where they belong: in WABL. If anything it's to the detriment of the association to stay in state league. It doesn't offer a pathway to a higher level for any up & comers. If you want to play against better competition you have to do what Dawson did, which was to pack up and leave!

Hmmm...shell out uber-dollars to BNSW to nominate into ABA when you can spend less, play State League and have a similar standard at the top? Realistically the incentive to play WABL now is that you're theoretically playing against the top clubs in the State, however with National finals no longer existing, 3-man officiating removed for all but 33 games, and the standard of the game not rivalling SEABL and possibly Big V Championship...why wouldn't you save a few bucks, play State League and wait for the rest of the league to join you???

SD.

[DrCans]

[QUOTE=Daevo;207630]Oh yeah, Penrith was missing Josh Morehead & Ben Hawkesley for that game too & you'd think they would have made a small contribution to the result ;)

Penrith beating the under 20's NSW team, interesting! Mind you as said, this was the 2nd game for them and im sure the night before against parra would have been tough. Nobody is ever going to play 100% the following day, Cooper was coaching the 20's and there will always be people mising. If penrith had've lost they would've said they didnt have a full strength team. You cant beat or deny the amount of talent that morehead brings to the team, rookie of the year his 1st season, 3 straight titles and he runs that team. Hawkesley on the other hand is just another off season pick up (along with Wells, Crane and Lalic) they are using to fill the void of Dawson.
Personally if you ask me that guy is a has been, a few years ago yeah but if anyone knows how to play defence you would just get on his right and make him go left, he's a 1 move player.
Crane and the other 2 surely make up for the loss of albert with experience and talent, i dont see how 4 players for 2 is a bad trade or as someone put it before, off cuts! god id take those offcuts in a team anyday.

[DrCans]

Sorry about the post, im new to this and wasnt sure how to reply to a quote :confused:

[stylin]

Yeh i thik it would only be to the season before if theres any restictions...

Either way we cant wait to play Penrith! Cant wait to change the talk on the forum about how "great" they already are!

[Daevo]

why wouldn't you save a few bucks, play State League and wait for the rest of the league to join you???

They've already waited 4 years & now going into a 5th ;)

[Chucker]

What happened with Albert, where'd he go?

[CoachHep]

What happened with Albert, where'd he go?

Giving AFL a go.

[The Unbias Bias]

Hmmm...shell out uber-dollars to BNSW to nominate into ABA when you can spend less, play State League and have a similar standard at the top? Realistically the incentive to play WABL now is that you're theoretically playing against the top clubs in the State, however with National finals no longer existing, 3-man officiating removed for all but 33 games, and the standard of the game not rivalling SEABL and possibly Big V Championship...why wouldn't you save a few bucks, play State League and wait for the rest of the league to join you???

SD.
if you'd read all of my post and not just some of it you'd have your answer..... I think WABL helps instill loyalty to an association from its younger players, as well as giving them something higher to aspire to. When the kings and razorbacks were both playing well 5 or so years back there was that visible step from wabl to nbl for some players. i've never heard of state league players being recruited to anything better, i could be wrong but i suspect i'm not.

[Skindog the Hawk]

Sorry Unbias, I'd kind of forgotten about the NBL in Sydney, seeing as though I've got to drive an hour to go watch it these days. I understand that there is the tenuous link between WABL and the NBL, however even then it is a tenuous link. There were very few NBL players who came to WABL, unlike Big V & SEABL where you've got NBL players aplenty and there is most definitely the connection between the second tier and the top!

Don't get me wrong, WABL is better than State League, however if everyone co-ordinated themselves and took the step back to State League, what could/would BNSW do??? The answer - not a hell of a lot, and you'd still have the "strength" of WABL, just playing together in a cheaper league. ;)

SD.

[StiLL Momentum]

So let me get this right. The Panthers, defending three time premiers, have added lalic (nbl & aba) crane (aba) hawkesley (aba) and another hornsby aba player to there already too strong for state league squad?

BNSW shouldnt even let this happen. It seems to me that team on paper would do well in Waratah

I agree completely with that. They should move forward into the other direction but some people love to trophy hunt, whether it be coaches or the association as a whole.

By dominating state league for 4-5 years straight doesn't just prove how good a team they are, it also highlights how piss poor the association is for sticking at this level for so long. No other 'big 8' associations are hanging around in state league with their top-tier men's squad, they're actually playing where they belong: in WABL. If anything it's to the detriment of the association to stay in state league. It doesn't offer a pathway to a higher level for any up & comers. If you want to play against better competition you have to do what Dawson did, which was to pack up and leave!

Same as above. Dawson clearly is the only one who has the balls to play at a higher level and actually want to get better, but yet again, its better to get some cool trophys than actually trying to move the association forward.

[Daevo]

I'm sure Penrith fully realise that they will lose players wanting to play ABA but some at the association don't care.

Since they dropped out of state league, there is a fairly well-trodden path from Penrith to Hornsby alone:
- Chris Benedet & John Hennessy in 2006
- Ben Hollis & Steve Gavrilovic in 2007
- Tom Dawson in 2010

At least 4 or 5 other players have trialed for Parra, Hills & Bankstown over that same period but only one that I know of made a team. As to the others, Lalic, Hawker & Crane have had their run in ABA & obviously don't feel it's worth the effort over state league with the extra travel & training required. Others preferred to stay local rather than try their chances elsewhere with travel & extra training sessions also likely a factor so you can't blame them for that.

[A Higher Authority]

It's been a stand against BNSW that hasn't necessarily served Penrith badly.

BNSW won't drop the fees (sufficiently) for WBL and Penrith won't pay above SL rates.

Since taking that stand, Penrith has won three SL titles, in spite of some players leaving for "greener pastures" and now the Association has four former high-quality players wandering back into town to effectively give them the team (on paper) to claim a SL four-peat.

BNSW may gnash their teeth at Penrith's stand but the Association is still the only non-WBL association in the Top 8 and have three premiership banners flying in the stadium - so the locals probably think things are pretty good.

[Daevo]

Central Coast have scored a few former ABA players of their own with Tim Hudson & Brett Wilcox returning from their stint at Hornsby to join a state league team that will be almost the same as their 2008 WABL squad (minus the bothers B) - a very formidable lineup indeed.

If you want to discuss strong associations not playing ABA, there is another for the list as is Illawarra.

[StiLL Momentum]

It's been a stand against BNSW that hasn't necessarily served Penrith badly.

BNSW won't drop the fees (sufficiently) for WBL and Penrith won't pay above SL rates.

Since taking that stand, Penrith has won three SL titles, in spite of some players leaving for "greener pastures" and now the Association has four former high-quality players wandering back into town to effectively give them the team (on paper) to claim a SL four-peat.

BNSW may gnash their teeth at Penrith's stand but the Association is still the only non-WBL association in the Top 8 and have three premiership banners flying in the stadium - so the locals probably think things are pretty good.

True True, didnt really take the fees into my opinion.

[Prodigal]

For those who haven't heard the Sharks will be returning to the State League fold this season. Team will be captain/coached by Rod Proctor and will have a few handy players who couldn't commit to Waratah for various reasons. Should be a decent group.

[Skindog the Hawk]

For those who haven't heard the Sharks will be returning to the State League fold this season. Team will be captain/coached by Rod Proctor and will have a few handy players who couldn't commit to Waratah for various reasons. Should be a decent group.

Would the "couldn't commit to Waratah" line be a substitute for some players who weren't fit enough to keep up with the new Waratah captain's fitness requirements???

SD.

[Prodigal]

Would the "couldn't commit to Waratah" line be a substitute for some players who weren't fit enough to keep up with the new Waratah captain's fitness requirements???

SD.

More a case of work commitments precluding training twice a week....which probably equates to the same thing given the extra solo fitness work required on top of those 2 sessions to reach that fitness requirement.

[Chucker]

Penrith team announced on their website:

Matt Slack, Josh Morehead, Craig Blatch, Adam Peterson, Paul Tengdahl, Nic Kennedy, Tim Smith, Tony Lalic, Steve Gavrilovic, Rob Crane, Bruce Wells and Ben Hawkesley

Guess that means Hawkesbury can go looking through the scraps and name their team now...

[Daevo]

No surprises there & as I expected, 7 players who have had a stint at another association & returned. The majority of the roster all have past ABA exprience at some point too.

[stylin]

Well big changes already! Draw has been handed out. Season for Pool D starts April 17th.

Pool D is changed again with Dubbo dropping out. Also Sutherland is back!

So D - Macarthur, Penrith, Hawkesbury, Sutherland, Bankstown, Springwood, Bathurst & Glebe. It is now a BIG pool of death with Sutherland back.

[Skindog the Hawk]

Well big changes already! Draw has been handed out. Season for Pool D starts April 17th.

No draw on BNSW website yet - you sure it's not a draft draw stylin??

[stylin]

No draw on BNSW website yet - you sure it's not a draft draw stylin??

It was e-mailed out to our club on Friday.

[MAIN_MAN]

Penrith team announced on their website:

Matt Slack, Josh Morehead, Craig Blatch, Adam Peterson, Paul Tengdahl, Nic Kennedy, Tim Smith, Tony Lalic, Steve Gavrilovic, Rob Crane, Bruce Wells and Ben Hawkesley

Guess that means Hawkesbury can go looking through the scraps and name their team now...

A middle of the table WABL team there.

[stylin]

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2971/pools.jpg

So this was the pools that BNSW put out before. They have changed now. Anyone know exactly what?

Im guessing its like this? Pool D is correct as the draw has been e-mailed to us.

Im guessing Dubbos been moved to Pool B or C as they had a friendly on the weekend against Lake Macquarie. To make numbers fair Pool B would give 3 pools the same amount of games.

Teams pulled from Pool D are Ryde and Blacktown... Any other teams pulled out?

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/7c836c810a.jpg

[Prodigal]

Surely they could call the pools something other the N,S,E,W. The geographical logic certainly doesn't apply

[StiLL Momentum]

Penrith team announced on their website:

Matt Slack, Josh Morehead, Craig Blatch, Adam Peterson, Paul Tengdahl, Nic Kennedy, Tim Smith, Tony Lalic, Steve Gavrilovic, Rob Crane, Bruce Wells and Ben Hawkesley

Guess that means Hawkesbury can go looking through the scraps and name their team now...

HAHAHAHAHA, sorry that is just too funny.

[Chucker]

Heard a whisper from someone in the know(?) that Hawkesbury may decide against fielding a team this year and focus on the YL.

Apparently, some of the guys who were part of the team last year are not interested in being part of a team with slim chances of winning and the time/cost involved, while others who did not make last years team are a bit miffed that they're wanted now the guys who took their spots are gone.

If this is true (I for one don't like the idea of anyone dropping out-and I'm not even a fan of them), it's quite sad really, they seem to run an ok comp out there, with a good participation rate in the junior and YL ranks etc. Anyone else heard anything?

I was looking forward to making the western trek up the M4 to see the Penrith V. Hawkesbury games, with them being in different pools last year we missed out.

Please tell me if I've been hoodwinked (wouldn't be the first time...).

[StiLL Momentum]

Heard a whisper from someone in the know(?) that Hawkesbury may decide against fielding a team this year and focus on the YL.

Apparently, some of the guys who were part of the team last year are not interested in being part of a team with slim chances of winning and the time/cost involved, while others who did not make last years team are a bit miffed that they're wanted now the guys who took their spots are gone.

If this is true (I for one don't like the idea of anyone dropping out-and I'm not even a fan of them), it's quite sad really, they seem to run an ok comp out there, with a good participation rate in the junior and YL ranks etc. Anyone else heard anything?

I was looking forward to making the western trek up the M4 to see the Penrith V. Hawkesbury games, with them being in different pools last year we missed out.

Please tell me if I've been hoodwinked (wouldn't be the first time...).

Wow, from potential title winning to team back to the sticky stuff our shoes sometimes step on, lol. Back where they belong, lol.

I competely agree though how players (who were loyal to the Jets) that were simply brushed aside can be upset of "Wait, We need you know as everyone left and your all we have" mindset of the coaching staff. Then, they are close enough to Penrith where the "we are not loyal to anyone" mentality could rub off.

I would like to see the Jets in the comp.....so I can laugh at them once again. I mean they had some of the most arrogant followers for a team that has done nothing but fail over and over and they recruit some Panthers players to help them and then the followers carry themselves like fools. I mean the coaches wife was the worst. Yelling and abusing the refs and other spectators. How loud is she now?

Either way, they have some good ballers out there. SOME, and I can never get enough ball. So hopefully they come in.

[A Higher Authority]

So now we've taken to criticising family members of coaches??!!! :fight:

[can'tplay]

I would like to see the Jets in the comp.....so I can laugh at them once again. I mean they had some of the most arrogant followers for a team that has done nothing but fail over and over and they recruit some Panthers players to help them and then the followers carry themselves like fools. I mean the coaches wife was the worst. Yelling and abusing the refs and other spectators. How loud is she now?

Either way, they have some good ballers out there. SOME, and I can never get enough ball. So hopefully they come in.

i wonder if you would have the balls to say that if people knew who you were? it's easy to put shit on people whilst hiding on a forum, come say it on the court and i'll make sure i put you on your ass.

[StiLL Momentum]

I would like to see the Jets in the comp.....so I can laugh at them once again. I mean they had some of the most arrogant followers for a team that has done nothing but fail over and over and they recruit some Panthers players to help them and then the followers carry themselves like fools. I mean the coaches wife was the worst. Yelling and abusing the refs and other spectators. How loud is she now?

Either way, they have some good ballers out there. SOME, and I can never get enough ball. So hopefully they come in.

i would have the balls to say that if people knew who you were? it's easy to put shit on people whilst hiding on a forum, come say it on the court and i'll make sure i put you on your ass.wonder if you

LOL. So making a statement based on fact compared to threating someone makes you so much a better person? lol. Your ignorance is awesome.

There was no putting shit on anyone. Fact isnt a insult. Clearly your reading and interpreting skills aren't up to that of whats needed when talking on a public forum. I never bagged anyone out. I just made the point of what I have seen. The fact your getting defensive means I've struct a chord. lol.

[stylin]

Hawkesbury pulling out?? Goes to show that the only way they were competitive was to have the Penrith guys out there. Must of been us beating them in the major semi final last year... lol!

[Daevo]

Hawkesbury pulling out?? Goes to show that the only way they were competitive was to have the Penrith guys out there.

Hell, everybody knew that - surely even the few at Hawkesbury who went around crowing about how good they were recognised it was only due to the Penrith players they poach... er, recruited. It's poetic justice that they now need the local players who were shafted to make room for the star recruits & I certainly don't blame those guys for not wanting to return to play for the association that told them just a year ago they weren't wanted. As ye sow...

[Prodigal]

As ye sow...

Is he a mate of Yao Ming?

[Daevo]

LOL... it basically means, karma is a bitch.

[Prodigal]

LOL... it basically means, karma is a bitch.

I knew that...just cracking wise. Being a good catholic school boy I'm on top of all that biblical shiz

So will we have the pleasure of your company at the Shark Tank on Sunday? That is...if I get there in time. Due to the wonders of BNSW scheduling the Sharks junior teams are also all playing Hornsby on Sunday.....at freaking Thornleigh. So I have a game there at 12.15....then back to Sutho to play Hornsby in seniors at 3. I suppose on some planet that makes sense.

[StiLL Momentum]

Hawkesbury pulling out?? Goes to show that the only way they were competitive was to have the Penrith guys out there. Must of been us beating them in the major semi final last year... lol!

Mate, the win was awesome, it was only bettered by the fact that on a crucial play, instead of a point guard who could penetrate and dish they put out a small forward to bring up the ball and you guys stole it.

They still have some panthers players who arent bad, but again, they bit the hand that fed them when the booted all their local loyal players.

[Chucker]

They still have some panthers players who arent bad, but again, they bit the hand that fed them when the booted all their local loyal players.

That sounds like they will be putting in a team IMO

[CallisoH8R]

I think it will be interesting how Coffs go in the North with Matt Shanahan of -everywhere- fame in their lineup

[A Higher Authority]

I think it will be interesting how Coffs go in the North with Matt Shanahan of -everywhere- fame in their lineup

Ok, that get's my vote as the biggest off-season signing.

[Jackit]

Hi everyone.. I'm new so welcome to me - sigh. I've been a regular viewer of this particular thread for a while so I thought it was about time i signed up and made some kind of contribution this season.

The draw for SBL men has been out for a while but I haven't seen any comments. I guess everyone is pretty happy about it.

So 2 games this weekend:

Illawarra Red v Hornsby
Dubbo v Lake Macquarie

Im going to stick my neck out here and say Illawarra and Lake Mac to be the easy winners.

[Prodigal]

I've been trying to work out that the comp starts this weekend but Sutherland don't have a game until the 10th of April???????

[Daevo]

2 games this weekend:

Illawarra Red v Hornsby
Dubbo v Lake Macquarie

Im going to stick my neck out here and say Illawarra and Lake Mac to be the easy winners.

I'm expecting Hornsby to be a lot tougher this year since they've totally revamped their team & added some very capable players. Illawarra should be a good test for them.

[StiLL Momentum]

I'm expecting Hornsby to be a lot tougher this year since they've totally revamped their team & added some very capable players. Illawarra should be a good test for them.

Agreed, I think Hornsby will give them a tough challange, Lake Maq? I'm not so sure. This will be interesting to see how they go with Browning at the helm.

[Jackit]

Lake Mac played a trial game against Newcastle ABA team not long ago and they didn't look too bad at all.

Newcastle Green played Newcastle White last night in a trial. Both teams have some work to do before the season starts, however I don't think either team was at full strength.

In reference to the season draw - all i can say is that the divvy up of teams in their relevant pools is not bad at all. Wow - i think i just complimented BNSW - is that allowed here :D

[Prodigal]

Lake Mac played a trial game against Newcastle ABA team not long ago and they didn't look too bad at all.

Newcastle Green played Newcastle White last night in a trial. Both teams have some work to do before the season starts, however I don't think either team was at full strength.

In reference to the season draw - all i can say is that the divvy up of teams in their relevant pools is not bad at all. Wow - i think i just complimented BNSW - is that allowed here :D

It's allowed, just rarely warranted;)

[StiLL Momentum]

It's allowed, just rarely warranted;)

LOL,

Lake Maq may have looked good for one game, but I've seen the habits of the coach and known him for years and see how instilled he is to them and not willing to change, so it will be interesting to see.

[Jackit]

LOL,

Lake Maq may have looked good for one game, but I've seen the habits of the coach and known him for years and see how instilled he is to them and not willing to change, so it will be interesting to see.

... understood, and that game was a trial so I'm probably being a bit hasty.

[Daevo]

This will be interesting to see how they go with Browning at the helm.

Should we run a sweep for when the mutiny will happen? ;)

[StiLL Momentum]

Should we run a sweep for when the mutiny will happen? ;)

ROFL, lol, awesome.

I reckon a either midway to end of this season or start of next after they realise what they have gotten into before we see a revolution being staged by the players, lol

[Skindog the Hawk]

Youth League Men - Hills 70 d. Norths 61. Norths missing Phil Chircu and didn't quite have the horses to run with the Hornets down the stretch.

Having said all that, did anyone other than the Hills coach notice that Norths have extended their 3 point lines out to the "new" 6.75m length? Not supposed to come in until at least October this year - it will be interesting to see if BNSW require Norths to change it back.

SD.

[Daevo]

I'd heard they'd done that & expect they will be forced to change since it takes home court advantage a bit far.

Penrith YL had a big win over Bankstown while Hornsby defeated the Sharks.

Anybody here see the Illawarra vs Hormsby SL game?

[MAIN_MAN]

Anybody here see the Illawarra vs Hormsby SL game?

Hornsby lost

[Daevo]

Thanks but I was after a match report.

[viper]

Thanks but I was after a match report.

Hornsby played hard but illawarra had too much firepower. Bonham was 6/6 from the 3 in the first half, Rod Johnson hit a few, as did Brown. The second qtr was blown out with them all hitting 3's. Hornsby bought it back in the 3rd and 4th on the back of some lazy defence by illawarra, no ball pressure, gave up 2nd shot opportunities - Hornsby just couldnt make a bucket when required.

thought it'd be a bigger win margin. Hornsby were better than i expected and illawarra played unorganised and poor - just aided by the class of Bonham and Johnson.

[Daevo]

Bonham was 6/6 from the 3 in the first half

Yikes! That's hard to beat.

Hornsby just couldnt make a bucket when required.

Hmm, that has a familiar ring to it.

Thanks for the report.

[Jackit]

Any word on the scores for both the SL games over the w/end?

[stylin]

Illa also have Luke Doherty which adds more BIG shooting power. If they are on then your gonna be in trouble!

The "city" teams dont start until 10th April.

Heat have quite a few injury troubles. Hopefully we can get healthy before season starts. Starting PG blew his kneee in a trial game against Illa other week and is out for the season. Tore ACL and possibly other FCL. But with that another PG has come back for another year so coud be exciting.

[Jackit]

2OT FOR LAKE MAC v DUBBO GAME


Match# 900
Illawarra Hawks Red 82 [55] d Hornsby Spiders 67 [38]
(B Bonham 31,C Brown 14,R Johnson 11) (D Bastian 27,D Pepito 14,T Wilder 13)
Attendance: 200 Venue: BP

Match# 901
Lake Macquarie Lightning 90 [32] d Dubbo Rams 81 [30] - 2OT
(S Halpin 24,L Woodman 20,C Ferguson 14) (S Hall 21,K Gleeson 16,M Dawes 13)
Attendance: 200 Venue: DSW

[Prodigal]

So the rumours that Steve Hall would be playing SL & Waratah appear to be true. Keiran Gleeson also suiting up for Dubbo

[Jackit]

So the rumours that Steve Hall would be playing SL & Waratah appear to be true. Keiran Gleeson also suiting up for Dubbo

Yeh, looks like it. I'm sure the Dubbo sponsorship machine can handle it ;)

[Daevo]

Penrith's chances of a 4th consecutive title have suffered a blow with Lalic withdrawing due to work commitments. They still have a very competitive side but there are a few others around this season so it should be a very interesting competition. It's a shame we have to wait so long for it to get underway properly.

[Prodigal]

Penrith's chances of a 4th consecutive title have suffered a blow with Lalic withdrawing due to work commitments. They still have a very competitive side but there are a few others around this season so it should be a very interesting competition. It's a shame we have to wait so long for it to get underway properly.

You sure he's not going back to Parra? They could use another player

[A Higher Authority]

Many SL teams have now unveiled their line-ups - any news from the Jets?
Is it all still speculation as to whether they will or won't be there?

The competition looks much more even now Lalic has gone from Penrith and they appear to have gone from absolute certainties to just one of a pack of teams which could win on any given day.
Still, that's got to be better for the competition in general and should ensure far more competitive games, particularly in that Pool.

[Sledge Hammer]

The Jets SL squad are just fine and will be ready come game 1 for them,the club has just been busy working on there SJC sides and local comps.

[The Waltons]

Jets SL squad fine...???? That's not what I have heard Sledge Hammer.

I hear they won't post the team as they only have 9 players and one of those is big John Hamilton after being coaxed back out of retirement.

And what is the story with there other big only getting 3.5 weeks suspension recently for disputing decisions, swearing at officials and unsportsmanlike behavior. That would not be because this will make sure he is available for the start of the SL season. Sounds like they are using feather dusters out there at Hawkesbury to deal out punishment.

[StiLL Momentum]

Jets SL squad fine...???? That's not what I have heard Sledge Hammer.

I hear they won't post the team as they only have 9 players and one of those is big John Hamilton after being coaxed back out of retirement.

And what is the story with there other big only getting 3.5 weeks suspension recently for disputing decisions, swearing at officials and unsportsmanlike behavior. That would not be because this will make sure he is available for the start of the SL season. Sounds like they are using feather dusters out there at Hawkesbury to deal out punishment.

Agreed, that place is run with "who you know".

Plus he is a SL player, cant suspend him for any games in the SL season, lol

[Sledge Hammer]

Do most of you people just post for the hell of it you are all so far from the truth about the Hawkesbury Club its not funny,no club is perfect but at least they give you clowns something to make stories up about.

[The Waltons]

Do most of you people just post for the hell of it you are all so far from the truth about the Hawkesbury Club its not funny,no club is perfect but at least they give you clowns something to make stories up about.

Sledge Hammer, what part is not true?

Is John Hamilton back or not?
Do you only have 9 players in your SL squad or not?
Was the suspension only 3.5 weeks or not?
Why is the squad not posted on the Hawkesbury website?

Please explain....?????

[Spot Up]

Do most of you people just post for the hell of it you are all so far from the truth about the Hawkesbury Club its not funny,no club is perfect but at least they give you clowns something to make stories up about.


Sounds like a nerve has been touched here?

[Spot Up]

Jets SL squad fine...???? That's not what I have heard Sledge Hammer.

I hear they won't post the team as they only have 9 players and one of those is big John Hamilton after being coaxed back out of retirement.

And what is the story with there other big only getting 3.5 weeks suspension recently for disputing decisions, swearing at officials and unsportsmanlike behavior. That would not be because this will make sure he is available for the start of the SL season. Sounds like they are using feather dusters out there at Hawkesbury to deal out punishment.

You seem to know what's going on at Hawkesbury. Do you play out there?

[stylin]

Pools and standings are up on BNSW website now

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[Prodigal]

Why is everyone bagging Hawkesbury when they're flying along in 1st place in their pool :D

[StiLL Momentum]

Why is everyone bagging Hawkesbury when they're flying along in 1st place in their pool :D

Damn your right. Its the closest to the top they have been since the semi's....
Yeah come on Jets!!!! lol

[The Waltons]

You seem to know what's going on at Hawkesbury. Do you play out there?

Why is that important Spot Up?

One does not have to play at an association to know what is going on. Just by keeping your ear to the ground and listening in on conversations you can pick up so much.

[The Waltons]

Sounds like a nerve has been touched here?

Touchy nerves is all they seem to have these days out at Hawkesbury.....

[stylin]

Well first game for Pool D is Springwood v Hawkesbury... Will be interesting to see what teams turn up for that game?

[The Waltons]

Well first game for Pool D is Springwood v Hawkesbury... Will be interesting to see what teams turn up for that game?

Stylin there is a game at Hawkesbury the week before this - Hawkesbury v's Bankstown on the 10/4. The Springwood game is the week after, 2nd game for Hawkesbury. BNSW in their wisdom started everyone else on the 20/3 and left pool D till the 10/4.

[StiLL Momentum]

Stylin there is a game at Hawkesbury the week before this - Hawkesbury v's Bankstown on the 10/4. The Springwood game is the week after, 2nd game for Hawkesbury. BNSW in their wisdom started everyone else on the 20/3 and left pool D till the 10/4.

BNSW for the win again!!!! Geez, how stupid can one organisation be?

[Jackit]

So I was looking at the Standings Table and noticed the top 2 teams in each pool are highlighted bold. I am assuming here that this means that only the top 2 from each pool gets through to the finals. I would have thought 3 would come from pool C because of the size of the pool and top 3 from pool D would get through due to it being a larger pool AND it is clear that Pool D is definetly the stronger pool.

That would make 10 going through to the finals... Seems logical to me. Am I way off here?

Btw, what's doing with bagging out the jets at every opportunity? I would have thought you guys would be happy to have them playing given the rubbish state that basketball in this country is in.

[StiLL Momentum]

So I was looking at the Standings Table and noticed the top 2 teams in each pool are highlighted bold. I am assuming here that this means that only the top 2 from each pool gets through to the finals. I would have thought 3 would come from pool C because of the size of the pool and top 3 from pool D would get through due to it being a larger pool AND it is clear that Pool D is definetly the stronger pool.

That would make 10 going through to the finals... Seems logical to me. Am I way off here?

Btw, what's doing with bagging out the jets at every opportunity? I would have thought you guys would be happy to have them playing given the rubbish state that basketball in this country is in.

That would make sense, but this is BNSW and sense is not high on their priorities.

We dont bag on the Jets, we just make truthful statements. I mean its not like its Penrith Basketball, all titles aside (lol) they are run by idiots at the helm of the association, plus they love the trophy hunt. Could be worse though.

Could be the Jets who go from 21-1 all last season to all likely hood of going 1-21 this season if they hadn't got some of their Penrith players.

I think this season the Crusaders are the team to beat. Even if that idiot Cooper coach at Penrith continues to stack his team to win another Championship, I think the Crusaders have a really solid team that can win. Then look back at last season. The best team through the regular season didn't win. So it just takes one game to f*ck up in and all sh*t hits the fan.

[EightyEight]

From the first two weeks of the comp who do you see as the top Country teams???

[A Higher Authority]

From the first two weeks of the comp who do you see as the top Country teams???

It may still be early days and some teams may not have their full rosters as yet - has Shanahan turned up for Coffs?

[Daevo]

Even if that idiot Cooper coach at Penrith continues to stack his team

What's he supposed to do, beat them off with a stick? Now that would be silly :p

I think this season the Crusaders are the team to beat.

I agree they deserve favouritism at this point but I think there will be a few around to challenge them & when it comes to just taking one loss to ruin a great season, they've stumbled in the home straight both the past 2 years.

[StiLL Momentum]

What's he supposed to do, beat them off with a stick? Now that would be silly :p



I agree they deserve favouritism at this point but I think there will be a few around to challenge them & when it comes to just taking one loss to ruin a great season, they've stumbled in the home straight both the past 2 years.

True true. to both comments.

but then, after Lalic left, Cooper (via facebook) contacted one of his teammates to then contact a player he wanted nothing to do with in trials asking him if he wanted to play for the panthers after watching him shoot the lights out a few games (heard this from the grapevine, and to not get that player in trouble with the idiot, I got this info from someone else). That player gave the coach the FU which I believe he totally deserves. He has no loyalty and has no ethics or integrity about himself, but thats my opinion.

[Daevo]

after Lalic left, Cooper (via facebook) contacted one of his teammates to then contact a player

You better check your sauce Still M since Coops isn't on Facebook & claims he hasn't approached any players or asked anybody to do so on his behalf since Lalic advised he was moving.

[The Unbias Bias]

yeah still momentum, have some respect for clearly the best ran association with the best refs and highest quality of personnel in all of Sydney!

[Sledge Hammer]

Sledge Hammer, what part is not true?

Is John Hamilton back or not?
Do you only have 9 players in your SL squad or not?
Was the suspension only 3.5 weeks or not?
Why is the squad not posted on the Hawkesbury website?

Please explain....?????

H has been at SL training so have alot of guys from the club

9 players I dont think so

Who was suspended

No idea why nothing is posted up on the website maybe they just like to give you guys something to post about on here.

[StiLL Momentum]

You better check your sauce Still M since Coops isn't on Facebook & claims he hasn't approached any players or asked anybody to do so on his behalf since Lalic advised he was moving.

Sorry, I worded it wrong after just reading it.

he spoke to a player on his team and he contacted this player via Facebook. Sorry for getting it wrong. NOW, im going from what this person said.

personally I would believe anybody before listening to a word cooper said, but thats just my opinions about the snake. you clearly know him differently Daveo.

[StiLL Momentum]

yeah still momentum, have some respect for clearly the best ran association with the best refs and highest quality of personnel in all of Sydney!

Firstly, LOL
Secondly, LOL.

[The Waltons]

H has been at SL training so have alot of guys from the club

9 players I dont think so

Who was suspended

No idea why nothing is posted up on the website maybe they just like to give you guys something to post about on here.

Well all will be revealed this coming weekend as games in pool D finally get under way. 8 teams yet starts 3 weeks after everyone else..??? Well done BNSW.

Any tips for the coming weekend games;

Hawkesbury Jets v's Bankstown Bruins - Bruins to win
Macarthur Heat v's Bathurst Goldminers - Heat all over them
Penrith Panthers v's Glebe Magic - Panthers
Sutherland Sharks v's Springwood Scorchers -Sharks

[EightyEight]

Well all will be revealed this coming weekend as games in pool D finally get under way. 8 teams yet starts 3 weeks after everyone else..??? Well done BNSW.

Any tips for the coming weekend games;

Hawkesbury Jets v's Bankstown Bruins - Bruins to win
Macarthur Heat v's Bathurst Goldminers - Heat all over them
Penrith Panthers v's Glebe Magic - Panthers
Sutherland Sharks v's Springwood Scorchers -Sharks

Sounds about right.

[stylin]

Hawkesbury Jets v's Bankstown Bruins - Bruins to win
Macarthur Heat v's Bathurst Goldminers - Heat all over them
Penrith Panthers v's Glebe Magic - Panthers
Sutherland Sharks v's Springwood Scorchers -Sharks

I'd guess the same wins. Bankstown may struggle though. They arnt as good as i expected. So that will be a close one i will say.

Heat should walk over Bathurst unless Bathurst have got some new players.

Penrith will make Glebe sit at the bottom of the table like most years.

Sutherland and Springwood will be close. Im gonna go Springwood as Sutherland will need a few games to get into rhythm... Otherwise any other time of the season i'd tip Sutherland 100%

[The Unbias Bias]

Well all will be revealed this coming weekend as games in pool D finally get under way. 8 teams yet starts 3 weeks after everyone else..??? Well done BNSW.

Any tips for the coming weekend games;

Hawkesbury Jets v's Bankstown Bruins - Bruins to win
Macarthur Heat v's Bathurst Goldminers - Heat all over them
Penrith Panthers v's Glebe Magic - Panthers
Sutherland Sharks v's Springwood Scorchers -Sharks

Jets v Bruins will be close - Bruins played well in that pre-season tournament against WABL teams at Bankstown. Bruins by 5

Heat v Goldminers - Heat by 43

Panthers v Magic - Panthers by 49

Sharks v Scorchers - Scorchers by 2

[Spot Up]

Well all will be revealed this coming weekend as games in pool D finally get under way. 8 teams yet starts 3 weeks after everyone else..??? Well done BNSW.

Any tips for the coming weekend games;

Hawkesbury Jets v's Bankstown Bruins - Bruins to win
Macarthur Heat v's Bathurst Goldminers - Heat all over them
Penrith Panthers v's Glebe Magic - Panthers
Sutherland Sharks v's Springwood Scorchers -Sharks

Bruins
Heat by Plenty
Penrith by a Mullion
Scorchers

[Chucker]

Can tell the Jets have had a constructive off-season. They lost their dominant players, were suspected of not fielding a team but they do have a new logo on their website, which by the way, the New Jersey Nets may feed like they helped design.

Oh, one more thing, they have a game at 6pm at the "hanger" (no dates listed, my guess is just playing every night of the week at 6pm).

What's that saying "Don't judge me, I'm from the country"?

[Daevo]

Thery might have lost a few players back to Penriff but they've been busy recruiting since I hear they've named a 19 man squad :shock:

[StiLL Momentum]

POOL D FINALLY GETS GOING THIS WEEKEND!!!!!!

Sweet.

[THE VIKING]

Holy crap it is good to see you blokes are still ripping skin off each other. Particularly pen and horns. Well now that I am a spectator/sponsor of the Vikings and not the coach i hope my opinion is still valid here (AT LEAST TO THE POINT THAT IT WAS LAST YEAR HAHA). The Vikings have lost a few for this season. Murph has gone back to queanbeyan, well I think thats where he went, Ainsworth went to Dubbo for a year then he is moving to WA in 2011 and Cole jumped ship and went trophy hunting in Coffs Harbour (he could come pley for penrith next cause he has the same loyalty mentality as players down there) So they are back to their roots so to speak with a team of locals. They will be very competitive in the North (players out 1st v Coffs) and Fishburn out Tomorrow v Port) when they get the whole team on court.

[THE VIKING]

On the pools. I have been a supporter of this system cause it keeps guys in the Country playing. HOWEVER what it has progressively done has widened the gap. We really struggled last year in the playoffs. Not due to player talent but due to a REAL LACK of quality games up here. It is impossible to compete at the playoff level without the sharp competition. HENCE we will not in my opinion see teams from pool A being a threat in the Playoffs, they will win the odd game but not the title. Even with an old has been fart called shannahan, who by reports from those who were there carried on like all should bow down at his feet during the game v Vikings. Cannot wait to see how he copes with the best Defensive player in tghe league (Matty Moran) when they next meet.

[Daevo]

Well now that I am a spectator/sponsor of the Vikings and not the coach i hope my opinion is still valid

We peanut gallery experts are the soul of Ozhoops Viking ;)

[The Unbias Bias]

Best defensive player in the league or the northern pool you mean? I'm sure some people from other pools would disagree if you meant all of state league.

And hey what else are we meant to do when you get biased and sometimes idiotic comments posted on here? A response is automatically envoked.

And don't worry Viking if Matt Shannahan thinks that him playing state league will get them anywhere near winning the title he can think again. Central coast still couldn't get to the title game (despite my beliefs they would win it all) with TJ in their squad, who by recollection was a much better player in the NBL and had a better career then Shannahan, even if it didn't live up to all the expectations of some. Coffs might make div 1 semis, but that's still a maybe just like everything else in this young season. I wonder how long he'll last at Coffs. Maybe he'll play for 3/4 of the teams in State league like he did in the NBL by the end of his career.

[THE VIKING]

Best defensive player in the league or the northern pool you mean? I'm sure some people from other pools would disagree if you meant all of state league.

And hey what else are we meant to do when you get biased and sometimes idiotic comments posted on here? A response is automatically envoked.

And don't worry Viking if Matt Shannahan thinks that him playing state league will get them anywhere near winning the title he can think again. Central coast still couldn't get to the title game (despite my beliefs they would win it all) with TJ in their squad, who by recollection was a much better player in the NBL and had a better career then Shannahan, even if it didn't live up to all the expectations of some. Coffs might make div 1 semis, but that's still a maybe just like everything else in this young season. I wonder how long he'll last at Coffs. Maybe he'll play for 3/4 of the teams in State league like he did in the NBL by the end of his career.

No whole State League for Moran. He has won best defensive player and that was before pools as they are now. He may not be the best this season but he is sure up there.

Agree re dopey comments they deserve a skinning.

True about Shana...who??? TJ is a way better player and a better bloke too, although i don't know shan..../ but reports seem he is a bit up himself. Coffs are not that hot. certainly nowhere as good as they were those years they made playoffs i think about four seasons ago?

[THE VIKING]

It's good to be back lol :D:twisted::confused:

[A Higher Authority]

I had the Sharks and Bruins as two of the possible contenders in Pool D BUT
perhaps not after this weekend's results.
Bruins down to Jets and Sharks down to Scorchers :confused:

[CoachHep]

FYI - Penrith beat Glebe tonight, 100-72.

Interesting results for those other games though.

[Sledge Hammer]

Thery might have lost a few players back to Penriff but they've been busy recruiting since I hear they've named a 19 man squad :shock:

How have they been busy recruiting yes a few went and a few moved on to other things in life, a few of the youth league guys have stepped up and a few old faces are back,same as most other clubs I would say.Jets win tonight was a credit to the guys that stayed on to play again this season it was a good game to watch and very tough from both sides and I think 2 of the Bankstown players where fouled off.

[The Unbias Bias]

Any scores from the Jets v Bruins and Heat v Goldminers games?

[Daevo]

How have they been busy recruiting

You have a team of 10-12 player & lose a few then you have 19. How does that happen? Mitosis? Obviously they've recruited some replacement players & quite a few extras besides.

[Spot Up]

Any scores from the Jets v Bruins and Heat v Goldminers games?

Don't know the final score but i heard Jets by 20 ish

[A Higher Authority]

73-52 to Jets
Scorchers was something like 66-63

[Sledge Hammer]

You have a team of 10-12 player & lose a few then you have 19. How does that happen? Mitosis? Obviously they've recruited some replacement players & quite a few extras besides.

They always had 20+ as a training squad both last year and this year so where ever your info comes from its wrong like most of the STORIES you clowns come up with about the Jets.

[The Unbias Bias]

They always had 20+ as a training squad both last year and this year so where ever your info comes from its wrong like most of the STORIES you clowns come up with about the Jets.

How about the story of them going 22-0 and falling over in their only must win game of the season. Was that info wrong or did that just simply not happen?

[Sledge Hammer]

How about the story of them going 22-0 and falling over in their only must win game of the season. Was that info wrong or did that just simply not happen?

So whats the point of your post that was last year so they lost a game,yes a very important one but the boys have moved on from all that went on then and are just looking at doing there best this year.The sad part of sport is not everyone can win every game or event there will always be winners and losers.Jets lost last year after winning 22 games its not a story its history now.

[Daevo]

Good to see Steve "Fabio" Gavrilovic making a big contribution in his return to the Panthers.

[StiLL Momentum]

Come on, We arent making stories of you idiots in horse and carriage land. Just laughing in the misfortune.

It all started when one of you twits in Jets started getting real cocky about last season, arrogance in other words. So when you guys epically failed when tested for the first time, it was funny, still is.

Yes it is history now, but still as funny as when it happened.

Now, thats said and done.

Good win this week, didnt think it would be such a big margin and good work with the win.
Also for Penno and Springwood.

Hope you guys all have a good season.

[Spot Up]

Good win this week, didnt think it would be such a big margin and good work with the win.
Also for Penno and Springwood.

Hope you guys all have a good season.



Did you see the Scorchers game? How did the team play? Score suggests a tough game.

Any news on the Heat game.

[StiLL Momentum]

Did you see the Scorchers game? How did the team play? Score suggests a tough game.

Any news on the Heat game.

The Scorchers game was a good one to watch. The scorchers finally had a game with good solid defense, with only a few lapses happening in the first half.

Scorchers were up by about when one of the players lost their cool and got doubled teched and it turned the game around for a few minutes but they were able to play great D and took care of the ball down the stretch.

It was a good to watch either way of the outcome.

[Sledge Hammer]

Come on, We arent making stories of you idiots in horse and carriage land. Just laughing in the misfortune.

It all started when one of you twits in Jets started getting real cocky about last season, arrogance in other words. So when you guys epically failed when tested for the first time, it was funny, still is.

Yes it is history now, but still as funny as when it happened.

Now, thats said and done.

Good win this week, didnt think it would be such a big margin and good work with the win.
Also for Penno and Springwood.

Hope you guys all have a good season.

Yep some where cocky with there comments so its all over now they have moved on so I hope you guys do the same and work towards a great 2010 SBL season for all teams and players.

[stylin]

Heat beat Bathurst 108 to 45... Bathurst only had 7 players and are struggling this year they said.

[Sledge Hammer]

Jets vs Scorchers should be a good game this weekend this matchup always brings out a hard game I am very much looking forward to it.

[StiLL Momentum]

Jets vs Scorchers should be a good game this weekend this matchup always brings out a hard game I am very much looking forward to it.

This will be a good game. Your right, always a hard game with these two teams. Any ideas when it starts? I think its after the Youth League game. Not too sure who they are playing.

[THE VIKING]

Vikings YL div two knocked off central coast and NEWCASTLE on the weekend.

[Daevo]

Jets vs Scorchers should be a good game this weekend this matchup always brings out a hard game I am very much looking forward to it.

Lots of rivalries there with several Hawkesbury players (past &/or present) from the Mts & doesn't the Jets coach live closer to the Scorchers' stadium than anybody on the Scorchers team? Always good to see a tough local derby - I wanted to get there for this one but why is it so late?

[A Higher Authority]

This will be a good game. Your right, always a hard game with these two teams. Any ideas when it starts? I think its after the Youth League game. Not too sure who they are playing.

YL @ 5.30pm
SL @ 7.30pm

[The Unbias Bias]

Lots of rivalries there with several Hawkesbury players (past &/or present) from the Mts & doesn't the Jets coach live closer to the Scorchers' stadium than anybody on the Scorchers team? Always good to see a tough local derby - I wanted to get there for this one but why is it so late?

Yeah I know, 7.30 is the latest I think any team in state league has a game this season. 3PM last Saturday at Sutherland was a better time then i expected, really enjoyed leaving there while it was still daylight.

At least the Scorchers can say one thing, we don't have any ex-hawkesbury players on our team! Don't worry i see the slight irony since the only current Jets' player to ever suit up for Springwood isn't from the Mountains, just that others on their roster happen to live in the mountains. Should be a good game and we're all looking forward to it. I think the winner will have already exceeded all pre-season expectations from outsiders through 2 rounds.

[EightyEight]

Illawarra beat Lake Macquaire 98-42. The score was 98 - 36 with 1min left and one of the Lake guys hit 2 x 3pt's.

Lake Macq are a big skilled team, they just have no B'ball IQ.

Illawarra Scorers:-

Bonham - 34pts
Brown - 19pts
Doherty - 17pts
Johnson - 10pts

[Jackit]

Illawarra beat Lake Macquaire 98-42. The score was 98 - 36 with 1min left and one of the Lake guys hit 2 x 3pt's.

Lake Macq are a big skilled team, they just have no B'ball IQ.

Illawarra Scorers:-

Bonham - 34pts
Brown - 19pts
Doherty - 17pts
Johnson - 10pts

wow... i hate seeing scorelines like that.. unfortunately there's been quite a few games this season so far where teams are getting pumped big time

[stylin]

When do heat & jets play ther grudge match frm heat taking them out last year?

[StiLL Momentum]

When do heat & jets play ther grudge match frm heat taking them out last year?

Stylin, there is no grudge match, You guys would win comfortably tho the Jets did play really well last week, but I doubt they will pose much of a problem seeing the people that bag out the panthers for 2 years, have left to play for the panthers.

Lake Maq got schooled, lol. Thats an ass wooping man.

who the hell was coaching them???? :)

[Sledge Hammer]

When do heat & jets play ther grudge match frm heat taking them out last year?

No grudge match it will just be a good matchup Heat beat them last year in the most important game of the year for them but the guys really are not living in the past,they just play game to game and we will see what happens.

[StiLL Momentum]

No grudge match it will just be a good matchup Heat beat them last year in the most important game of the year for them but the guys really are not living in the past,they just play game to game and we will see what happens.

I think it will be tough and physical game, especially with the two very bigs they have. I think Graham should get a lot more of the ball as he is virtually unstoppable without the double team.

[Sledge Hammer]

So who is tipping who for the wins this round ?

[EightyEight]

Illawarra lost by 3 to Griffith last night 84 - 81

Good game (well good as you get in that pool) Griffith had a 24 pt lead going into the last quarter with Illa getting back to within 3 pts numerous time with 2min to go. Illa would have won if they had a better coach. straight up.

[StiLL Momentum]

So who is tipping who for the wins this round ?

ok, So i'm going Griffith up by 3, lol

I'm not sure about the Scorchers v Jets game, but I hope the Scorchers win.

Panthers will win no matter who they are playing.

Stylin' the more I think about, I would like to see how the game vs you and the Jets go, that will be one to watch,

Thought they would get their ass kicked this season, but they have had a very strong start and will be an interesting game.

[The Unbias Bias]

Well it's easy for Penrith to win this weekend, when they have a bye.......
There were 2 Friday night games this round from the northern and southern pools, something different.

The only games this round for WM are:

Springwood Scorchers v Hawkesbury Jets - Scorchers by 9
Sutherland Sharks v Glebe Magic - Sutherland by 29
Sutherland Sharks v Bankstown Bruins - Sutherland by 8

[EightyEight]

Illawarra beat Newcatle by 30 odd

[Prodigal]

Sharks beat Glebe by a dozen. Ordinary game

[A Higher Authority]

Scorchers by two points
68-66

[Chucker]

Guess Hawkesbury need to win 20 straight now to match last year.

[Sledge Hammer]

Scorchers by two points
68-66

It was a good game and could have gone to either side in the last quarter,well done to the Scorchers it was a hard well played win for them.Chucker interesting comments almost child like,nowhere has anyone from the Jets has come out and said they will win every game this year what happened last year was a hard way to end there season but like I have said elsewhere thats history now.

[StiLL Momentum]

It was a good game and could have gone to either side in the last quarter,well done to the Scorchers it was a hard well played win for them.Chucker interesting comments almost child like,nowhere has anyone from the Jets has come out and said they will win every game this year what happened last year was a hard way to end there season but like I have said elsewhere thats history now.

It was a good hard fought win, I thought tho that Scorchers gave up way too many unforced turnovers as well as forced ones due to the Jets' D.

Daly came up big in the 2nd half with 17 points after 1 in the first, The scorchers held Graham to 12 points in the game which was a great effort and the scorchers main scorer A. Qumivutia was on the bench with foul trouble the whole game and got fouled off in the 1st minute of the 4th due to a supposed Charge (the call was too close either way).

The Jets had a shot at the end to send it into overtime, but missed it and then scored a basketball after the buzzer had gone off.

The Scorchers were in foul trouble being down in the foul count 26-16 so yeah, that didnt help.

[Jackit]

Illawarra beat Newcatle by 30 odd

Not a bad game as the score suggests - newcastle had only 8 with a couple of their key players out. no more excuses :)

Crusaders will beat Illawarra

[EightyEight]

Crusaders will beat Illawarra

Time will tell!

[EightyEight]

just heard Central Coast lost to Hornsby....

Might want to retract that statement above Jackit???

[Jackit]

just heard Central Coast lost to Hornsby....

Might want to retract that statement above Jackit???

i may need to change my name from Jackit to Goose :) ...not wanting to take anything away from the 82-78 Hornsby victory... did CC have their full roster show up? Anyone see the game?

This win shakes things up a bit I reckon. Congrats to Hornsby!

[EightyEight]

That was my first question. Did CC have a full team.

I think this year every team is beatable on any given day (including Penrith for all the people out West)

[The Unbias Bias]

That was my first question. Did CC have a full team.

I think this year every team is beatable on any given day (including Penrith for all the people out West)

Yeah no one has been using the words 'Penrith' and 'unbeatable' in the same sentence since word has spread that Lalic wouldn't be playing for them this season.

I love their opening 4 rounds of the season: 1 game, and that was against Glebe. Sounds asthough someone from their is either worried since their new recruits wouldn't be their for their opening rounds and or gets off on manipulating bnsw to do whatever they ask. I guess their coach mightn't be as confident in his player's abilities if this is what he has to resort to.

[Prodigal]

Yeah no one has been using the words 'Penrith' and 'unbeatable' in the same sentence since word has spread that Lalic wouldn't be playing for them this season.

I love their opening 4 rounds of the season: 1 game, and that was against Glebe. Sounds asthough someone from their is either worried since their new recruits wouldn't be their for their opening rounds and or gets off on manipulating bnsw to do whatever they ask. I guess their coach mightn't be as confident in his player's abilities if this is what he has to resort to.


Wow. Just....wow. Are you seriously suggesting a coach would even think of doing that, let alone being able to get BNSW to be complicit in such a scheme?

[Jackit]

Wow. Just....wow. Are you seriously suggesting a coach would even think of doing that, let alone being able to get BNSW to be complicit in such a scheme?


I thought it was ok for teams to change their schedule with BNSW based on player availability (see quote below from Observer in the Waratah 2010 thread).


The darw is made after the teams give their venues availbilites to NSW then the clubs can work out any changes they may want. This is know happened with some Canberra games and the Hills one is a case in point. The two games were initally weeks apart but were moved to fit in with byes and unavailabilities of players etc.

[The Unbias Bias]

Wow. Just....wow. Are you seriously suggesting a coach would even think of doing that, let alone being able to get BNSW to be complicit in such a scheme?

Um i don't think that, i actually believe it lol knowing that place and how the people who run it act would it surprise most people out of penrith if that was what happened? worse thing is i read the previous comment about bnsw accepting requests for changes in times, etc based on player availability so he actually might not have done anything wrong (technically). I just wish we could pull out the request form everytime a key player went down or went overseas or had to work etc. and get everything changed to suit our needs so that it gave us the best chance of winning, as it is obvious others have done. In the past 3 years in this pool I never remember a weekend when 3/8 teams didn't play, yet one team in this case (sutherland) has a double header on that same weekend? The whole scheduling just seems odd in this case.

[Prodigal]

I thought it was ok for teams to change their schedule with BNSW based on player availability (see quote below from Observer in the Waratah 2010 thread).


You can requestchanges to the draw to cover various situations. The suggestion seemed to be that the coach had obtained assistance from BNSW to only have 1 game against a weaker team in the 1st 4 weeks so as to have more time to prepare. Fantasyland.

[EightyEight]

i onyl put Penrith in there as they seem to be the concensus #1 pick for the eyar (and rightfully so) however they are beatable like very other team on any given day

Hornsby changed the first game of the year against Illawarra to a week earlier to allow for the team to attend a wedding which if the game was held on the original date would have been a forfiet.

Based on the first 4 rounds (1/3 of the season for the north and south pools and 1/4 of the season for the East pool) my predications are as follows:-

North:
Coffs
Ballina

South:
Q
Griffith

East:
Illa
CC Crusaders

West: (hard to pick as only one or two games have been played)
Penrith
Macarthur

[EightyEight]

sorry about the spelling.......

[Jackit]

You can requestchanges to the draw to cover various situations. The suggestion seemed to be that the coach had obtained assistance from BNSW to only have 1 game against a weaker team in the 1st 4 weeks so as to have more time to prepare. Fantasyland.

righto then... it would be fairly unlikely that any Coach in NSWSL and BNSW would be bothered to conspire about anything - surely they have better things to do in ther spare time.

[Jackit]

i onyl put Penrith in there as they seem to be the concensus #1 pick for the eyar (and rightfully so) however they are beatable like very other team on any given day

Hornsby changed the first game of the year against Illawarra to a week earlier to allow for the team to attend a wedding which if the game was held on the original date would have been a forfiet.

Based on the first 4 rounds (1/3 of the season for the north and south pools and 1/4 of the season for the East pool) my predications are as follows:-

North:
Coffs
Ballina

South:
Q
Griffith

East:
Illa
CC Crusaders

West: (hard to pick as only one or two games have been played)
Penrith
Macarthur


So it's only the top 2 from each pool that are going through to finals? East and West should be represented by top 3 from each. I wonder if BNSW know yet. Maybe we could get the coach from penrith to ask? :D

[EightyEight]

Maybe we could get the coach from penrith to ask? :D


Hahahaha......ahhh good times.

[Trigger]

So it's only the top 2 from each pool that are going through to finals? East and West should be represented by top 3 from each. I wonder if BNSW know yet. Maybe we could get the coach from penrith to ask? :D

In fact in the unlikely event that penrith come 3rd in that pool, Im sure the penrith coach could contact BNSW and get them to change it to top three qualify for finals

[The Unbias Bias]

You can requestchanges to the draw to cover various situations. The suggestion seemed to be that the coach had obtained assistance from BNSW to only have 1 game against a weaker team in the 1st 4 weeks so as to have more time to prepare. Fantasyland.

Well on the surface that's how it looks, it's only speculation but hey to people who know how he operates it's not as far out of reach as you may think. Sounds like a full Penrith defence has been put up here :)

[The Unbias Bias]

In fact in the unlikely event that penrith come 3rd in that pool, Im sure the penrith coach could contact BNSW and get them to change it to top three qualify for finals

I can just see it now "For the first time ever we are presenting nswsl mens with the top 3 teams from the west pool only, we couldn't turn down yet another request!"

[Prodigal]

Well on the surface that's how it looks, it's only speculation but hey to people who know how he operates it's not as far out of reach as you may think. Sounds like a full Penrith defence has been put up here :)

I didn't realise Coops was such an evil genius. He hides it well :D

[Daevo]

Hornsby changed the first game of the year against Illawarra to a week earlier to allow for the team to attend a wedding which if the game was held on the original date would have been a forfiet.

I think Penrith had a similar issue with one of the players having an engagement party that most of the team will be attending.
Pretty Slack if you ask me ;)

Congrats to Hornsby on the win too. I did warn people they were going to be contenders this year :D

[StiLL Momentum]

Wouldn't be surprised Bias, can't let his State League (LOL) legacy fall.

[StiLL Momentum]

I cant believe that some of the comments made by myself along with others (who dont want to be named, lol) got brought up in a certain teams locker room conversation. LOL.

It was so funny that the coach complained about us. Just incase you wanted to know coach where we have the time. It's called at work or at home buddy. Just the fact you commented about us to your team, made us smile HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Anyway I'm done laughing at the coach.

[StiLL Momentum]

So, What games are people looking forward to this season? this thread has been quiet except for my ramblings in the last few posts.

[Spot Up]

It was a good hard fought win, I thought tho that Scorchers gave up way too many unforced turnovers as well as forced ones due to the Jets' D.

Daly came up big in the 2nd half with 17 points after 1 in the first, The scorchers held Graham to 12 points in the game which was a great effort and the scorchers main scorer A. Qumivutia was on the bench with foul trouble the whole game and got fouled off in the 1st minute of the 4th due to a supposed Charge (the call was too close either way).

The Jets had a shot at the end to send it into overtime, but missed it and then scored a basketball after the buzzer had gone off.

The Scorchers were in foul trouble being down in the foul count 26-16 so yeah, that didnt help.

Congrats on the win ! Heard Scorchers shot really well making 6 3's in the first quarter setting up a big lead early. Sounds like Hawkesbury did okay to get so close. Did they have a lead at any stage?

[Daevo]

I didn't see the game but I heard the Scorchers were way in front, up by 20ish in the 3rd then let the Jets back into the game.

[stylin]

Scorchers are always pushing for a finals spot. Seems they could be closer this year.

[StiLL Momentum]

Congrats on the win ! Heard Scorchers shot really well making 6 3's in the first quarter setting up a big lead early. Sounds like Hawkesbury did okay to get so close. Did they have a lead at any stage?

Yeah man, Jets had a 3 point lead in the last 2 minutes. They had a stretch of unforced turnovers to let them back into the game. They worked really well to limit Graham (scored only 12) and played real well for 3 quarters. They showed the poise that had helped them get the big lead in the final 2 minutes but the previous 10 were not good but with times before when they would have lost the lead and sunk their heads, this time they worked through it which was awesome to see. Good game but scorchers threw away the lead. Look forward to rematch down in "the hanger"

[Jackit]

So, What games are people looking forward to this season? this thread has been quiet except for my ramblings in the last few posts.

this season will be awesome...

any of the local derbys in any Pool will be worth watching.

I'm keen to see what happens in the Crusaders v Hawks game after Hornsby mixed it up a bit and got the W against the Crusaders. I said before I think crusaders would beat the hawks but now i really don't know. If they can limit Bonhams scoring then they'll go a long way to getting the W.

lake mac v dubbo rematch - 1st game went into 2OT with lake mac getting the W. both teams wont figure in finals but hey, it'll be great to watch.

[StiLL Momentum]

this season will be awesome...

any of the local derbys in any Pool will be worth watching.

I'm keen to see what happens in the Crusaders v Hawks game after Hornsby mixed it up a bit and got the W against the Crusaders. I said before I think crusaders would beat the hawks but now i really don't know. If they can limit Bonhams scoring then they'll go a long way to getting the W.

lake mac v dubbo rematch - 1st game went into 2OT with lake mac getting the W. both teams wont figure in finals but hey, it'll be great to watch.

Lake maq will be a good game to watch, Hawks V Crusaders would be unreal. Penrith v Hawks I would like to see.

[EightyEight]

Im looking forward to last years grand final rematch, plus our game against the Crusaders.

Hopefully you will see a Penrith / Illawarra in the finals weekend!!!

[THE VIKING]

i onyl put Penrith in there as they seem to be the concensus #1 pick for the eyar (and rightfully so) however they are beatable like very other team on any given day

Hornsby changed the first game of the year against Illawarra to a week earlier to allow for the team to attend a wedding which if the game was held on the original date would have been a forfiet.

Based on the first 4 rounds (1/3 of the season for the north and south pools and 1/4 of the season for the East pool) my predications are as follows:-

North:
Coffs
Ballina

South:
Q
Griffith

East:
Illa
CC Crusaders

West: (hard to pick as only one or two games have been played)
Penrith
Macarthur

North should be Tamworth/Ballina or Coffs. Apparently there is a bit of bad blood between Shanahan and Coffs coach. Shanahan was heard apparently saying in Tamworth after the game it's him or me. They will self-destruct I reckon. The the Vikings will get a full team on court (no changing games here for wedddings/births etc) and the top two will be Tamworth and the mighty Vikings or Ballina.:D

[StiLL Momentum]

Im looking forward to last years grand final rematch, plus our game against the Crusaders.

Hopefully you will see a Penrith / Illawarra in the finals weekend!!!

I reckon that could be the one to go with, also Crusaders in semis too, interesting how that will fold out

[A Higher Authority]

Scorchers easy win over Bathurst to stay on top of Pool D

[EightyEight]

Illawarra beat CC Crusaders by 2pts. Lead by 13 with 6min left in the 4th but let it slip. Rod Johnson and Luke Doherty got hot early so kept going to them for most of the game. Good to have more than one scoring option.

[Daevo]

Hornsby with an easy win over Newcastle

[CoachHep]

Penrith got up against Sutherland today also.

[Jackit]

Illawarra beat CC Crusaders by 2pts. Lead by 13 with 6min left in the 4th but let it slip. Rod Johnson and Luke Doherty got hot early so kept going to them for most of the game. Good to have more than one scoring option.

so much for the crusaders getting the W - I wasn't to far off though - well done illawarra

[StiLL Momentum]

so much for the crusaders getting the W - I wasn't to far off though - well done illawarra

agreed.

[Daevo]

Crusaders are definitely losing their favourites tag with their performances so far. It looks like there is some real competition out there this year.

[Jackit]

Illawarra beat CC Crusaders by 2pts. Lead by 13 with 6min left in the 4th but let it slip. Rod Johnson and Luke Doherty got hot early so kept going to them for most of the game. Good to have more than one scoring option.

Just saw the score on the nsw basketball site; 59-57. This is really surprising to me as they've got some serious scoring ability and both teams are averaging above 90 ppg after 4 games.

[StiLL Momentum]

Crusaders are definitely losing their favourites tag with their performances so far. It looks like there is some real competition out there this year.

Very much so, I didnt think they would struggle like this.

[EightyEight]

Just saw the score on the nsw basketball site; 59-57. This is really surprising to me as they've got some serious scoring ability and both teams are averaging above 90 ppg after 4 games.

Illawarra are holding teams to less than 14pts a quarter while scoring 22pts a quarter. 8 pts margin per 10mins.

[Jackit]

Illawarra are holding teams to less than 14pts a quarter while scoring 22pts a quarter. 8 pts margin per 10mins.

...which makes a 59-57 scoreline even more surprising - it's early though so we'll see how the stats pan out during the season