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the dog
13-01-2010, 04:01 PM
Alright......It's now the time of year to start spilling the information about who is playing where in 2010.
I hear that Sherbrooke Champ Men have Johnny Lee and Paul Burgess from Kilsyth and also Chris Payne returning to the Club.
Hume City have Brad Bridgewater, Jermaine Maybank and Tariq Naqquash from Mt. Gambier and Ringwood have a new import. Also heard that Diamond Valley have lost Matt Fennell but not 100% sure on that...
Anyone got any info????
Melb Wildcat
13-01-2010, 06:03 PM
I thought the BigV folded years ago. Its still going is it?
the dog
13-01-2010, 07:01 PM
OK Wildcat...here we go, why cant we just all get along!!!!!
flourbomber
15-01-2010, 10:57 PM
Dont worry bout Wildcat...not worth it! Who knows, however, what the tigers are doing???? I think Bathie and Sturt have moved on, and understand that Corletto has signed with Bulleen. What about DJ? Waverley have picked up some of LV players??? what else is happening?
RedbackVenom
21-01-2010, 08:53 AM
The new edition of the Big V newsletter OT is now out: http://www.bigv.com.au/index.php?id=14&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=1502&tx_ttnews[backPid]=1&cHash=366f09d38b
Another good read and well presented newsletter. Well done.
New Warrandyte Venom men's head coach makes an extremely self-proclaimed bold statement:
"...we’re gonna win the Division Three. We’re the new kids on the block and we’re going to be very competitive. My goal is to get us to Division One and I think we’ll have the resources and the players to accomplish that. With what I’m hoping to put together, if we can win in Division Three, I think we’ll get a look in (at Division One) in our second year."
Wow! He has a massive job ahead of him then...
the dog
22-01-2010, 05:26 PM
Some more info on the mens Champ division.
I hear Waverley have Sedale Threatt from Sandy, Vashon Weaver Latrobe City and Adrian Sturt from the Tigers. Also rumours of Glen Barlow from Latrobe too. I think this may make them Championship favourites.
Ex SEABL player Bart Strezbonski (sorry about spelling) to play with DV.
Eltham i have not heard about.
Whats happenin in the womens divisions?
the voice #31
23-01-2010, 10:25 AM
Well Hibbert and Milner out of Hume so I don't think they'll be great this year.
the voice #31
26-01-2010, 10:06 PM
Darryl Corletto to play at Ringwood according to the local newspaper couldn't find link on the net.
bryon
27-01-2010, 10:59 AM
Darryl Corletto to play at Ringwood according to the local newspaper couldn't find link on the net.
http://tinyurl.com/y89kpql
Are Melbourne going to even have a team this year????
the voice #31
27-01-2010, 02:05 PM
Don't think so.
Sturt rumored to be at Waverley, heard DJ on his way to Ballarat, Corletto signed with Ringwood, Greer at Nunawading.
Even JP Wilkinson from Youth League has signed at Albury, Fisher at college.
Lang'll be back at Kilsyh, heard Bathie is playing there as well.
Wouldn't be much of a team.
the dog
27-01-2010, 08:57 PM
Tigers will be in and will be Ok. They will have Benny Lewis, Bo Westover, Edin Zunic, Stephens and some other young guys. Also heard a rumour Mike Rose will be playing. Saw him play tonite at the NBL and can flat out shoot it.
catcountry
27-01-2010, 09:26 PM
Alright......It's now the time of year to start spilling the information about who is playing where in 2010.
I hear that Sherbrooke Champ Men have Johnny Lee and Paul Burgess from Kilsyth and also Chris Payne returning to the Club.
Hume City have Brad Bridgewater, Jermaine Maybank and Tariq Naqquash from Mt. Gambier and Ringwood have a new import. Also heard that Diamond Valley have lost Matt Fennell but not 100% sure on that...
Anyone got any info????Naqqash is playing Ballarat SEABL, according to this http://www.seabl.com.au/index.php?id=207&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=982&tx_ttnews[backPid]=52&cHash=eb6d5b11d1
flourbomber
29-01-2010, 01:26 PM
Naqqash is playing Ballarat SEABL, according to this http://www.seabl.com.au/index.php?id=207&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=982&tx_ttnews[backPid]=52&cHash=eb6d5b11d1
I thought that the Bronco's announced Naqqash as a recruit before Xmas. What is the go here? Better offer on the table i guess?????
johnyboy
01-02-2010, 12:31 PM
Well Latrobe City are screwed. They dont appear to have coaches for the D1 women or D2 men.......
smooth_criminal
04-02-2010, 10:57 AM
Rumour is Mike Speers will be making a comeback with Hume this season, just a rumour tho.
Big V Boy
05-02-2010, 08:06 AM
Overtime 4 has been released. Check it out and let us know what you think.
http://www.bigv.com.au/index.php?id=14&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=1502&tx_ttnews[backPid]=1&cHash=366f09d38b
hellcat
05-02-2010, 11:51 AM
Sturt rumored to be at Waverley, heard DJ on his way to Ballarat, Corletto signed with Ringwood, Greer at Nunawading.
If by DJ you mean Daniel Johnson, he's already signed to play with the Willetton Tigers in the WA SBL.
Daniel (DJ) Johnson returns to Tigers in 2010 (http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=1-5011-0-0-0&sID=78732&articleID=11116046&news_task=DETAIL)
the voice #31
05-02-2010, 12:21 PM
If by DJ you mean Daniel Johnson, he's already signed to play with the Willetton Tigers in the WA SBL.
Daniel (DJ) Johnson returns to Tigers in 2010 (http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=1-5011-0-0-0&sID=78732&articleID=11116046&news_task=DETAIL)
Hence why I heard was written. Had done exactly heard he was on his way up there.
RedbackVenom
08-02-2010, 12:07 PM
Practice games in the pre-season are now underway...
Warrandyte men beat Darebin on Sunday by around 10 points despite missing their point guard.
Any other results from practice games or news?
Wonder if Sammy Mac will end up at his old stomping ground known as Diamond Valley since he is retiring from the NBL?
RedbackVenom
08-02-2010, 01:06 PM
Wonder if Sammy Mac will end up at his old stomping ground known as Diamond Valley since he is retiring from the NBL?
That would be huge for the Big V and Diamond Valley if that were to happen. Not sure if his body can hold up though...
Drug connotations force Cranbourne Ice into a name change (http://www.starnewsgroup.com.au/story/85324)
Drug connotations force Cranbourne Ice into a name change (http://www.starnewsgroup.com.au/story/85324)
First I'd like to say I like the sound of that name.
Even without the supposed drug connotation - it was always a crappy name (and is it the quality of the drug they are most concerned about? :-))
And if they really did go through a consultative process that led to this then that makes sense - although there can be "consultation" and then there's "consultation".
I hope they have done at least as good a job on their uniform re-design.
The Cranbourne "Ice" uniforms are TERRIBLE - supposedly "silver" which everyone reckons looks "grey"- even worse than the gay Blues uniform (excuse my inferred homophobia).
I remember when they changed from "Comets" - apparently because they were forced to in a rush by the Cranbourne Soccer Club (?)
It was always a bad choice for the club - name and uniform.
I know lots of people say "who cares" about the uniform, it's what the club does that is important - and I do agree with the latter part of the statement.
But I also believe that your "Uniform", your "Colours" and your club "Name" are very important as a base from which to work on the more important things - and if you are going to change it is vital you do it really well - and consultation is vital.
That said, it is very hard to do it well, and so often short cuts are taken.
If they really are consulting well and making good decisions then it could bode well for the club, it's leadership and it's future.
It would be a nice change to have at least 1 well run basketball association in the outer south eastern suburbs of Melbourne.
Omeba
12-02-2010, 01:55 PM
Saw them play the other week and have to say for a first game they looked pretty good. Rumour has it they have just recruited a 202cm super athletic young guy with a strong outside shot and amazing hops!
As for the coaches championship claim time will tell but I think they could give it a real shot.
fouls
12-02-2010, 02:57 PM
I believe that Adam Moore from Eltham Championship Mens Team has gone across to Diamond Valley for 2010 season.
Big V Boy
15-02-2010, 11:24 AM
Vote for your favourite to take out Youth League 1 Women for 2010 in the online poll.
http://www.bigv.com.au/
Quicksilver
15-02-2010, 05:56 PM
hume yl men 73 defeated darebin div 2 men 45
Factor
17-02-2010, 05:29 PM
Whats going on with big V? is it on? has anyone even got a fixture yet???
Yes I agree - it seems very quiet on the BigV front
flourbomber
17-02-2010, 09:38 PM
Yes I agree - it seems very quiet on the BigV front
I think you will that find draft fixtures are out with the delegates. New divisions have been sorted out. Another Big V publication has been issued. Cant wait for the season to start.
the dog
18-02-2010, 04:52 PM
I dont wont to offend anyone in the Big V office here, but to not have the Big V schedules out with only 4 weeks till season tip off is just ridiculous. The website still shows 2009 info!!
I think its lucky that most of the professionalism has disappeared out of this league. Too bad if Clubs wanted to promote their games to juniors, sponsors ect.
I personally think its time that the Big V made some major changes from top to bottom.
I do not want to embarrass anyone, i just have become increasingly disappointed with what has happened to this once great competition.
Sadly, I agree with you.
At least that is how it appears to an outsider looking in.
RedbackVenom
19-02-2010, 07:15 AM
And I agree too...
I went surfing for fixtures and info the other day and everything on their website still relates to last season (apart from the front page).
Here's a few things that maybe you don't understand. Firstly this is the new staffs first season and there is always a learning curve and a desire to do the absolute best job possible in terms of balancing the fixture to make it as fair as possible.
In the end though there is no such thing as a perfect fixture and in the case of the Big V I don't know of any more complicated fixture in any sport in the country. And I have a right to say that because I did it in the past when the League was smaller than it is now.
Unfortunately most of our clubs don't have control of their own venues so there are huge limitations on court availability in the first instance and that complicates the first draft. This year two clubs needed to find totally new venues and that took a little time. For those who think that Divisions other than those affected should be fixtured earlier I have to tell you that a change to any one Division may affect a number of others. It's a bit like throwing a ping pong ball into a room full of set mouse traps. Until the ball stops moving you don't really know what the consequences are going to be.
As far as the website goes the 2010 fixture will not overwrite the 2009 fixture until we upload the final version and pending any other last minute club initiated changes that will happen shortly.
So recognise that people do their best. There are a lot of things that happen behind the scenes which impact on time lines and with the best intentions in the world sometimes it's better to make sure that you send out a first draft which has accommodated as many of the requests as possible rather than have to keep issuing updates. And remember also that it won't be perfect from an individual clubs point of view but in the context of the many constraints was the best possible outcome for everyone.
johnyboy
19-02-2010, 07:48 AM
and sadly, so do I...........
Two issues here though. With so many teams and clubs involved it has to be a big job. With many stadiums run by councils or YMCA who dont give a tinkers cuss about the basketabll clubs I am sure in some cases its not the clubs fault or within Big V's control about so call changes.
Before you go comparing Big V to Seabl dont waste your time. The comps are vastly different in size and most of the Seabl clubs have control of thier venues. That old chestnut just doesnt roast any more.
BUT, I see no reason why deadlines for team entries cant be made earlier and why clubs who drag thier feet are not penalized for causing all the frustration.
I also see no reason why it should be left to ONE person to do all the work. What do the rest of the Big V board do. Maybe I am wrong here but from what I hear its all up to one person to do nearly everything in that office.
Forget the "interns" how about hiring more staff, and yes I have seen the advert but for a semi pro org who has a season of 958 games I think its time more was plowed back into making it better. I know some stand alone assoc are better run (not yours PATM :) ).
Time to wake up and change the way its all done Big V. Do it or become a low standard state wide domestic comp.
In fact another staff appointment was made this week but that person won't commence for a few weeks yet. But there is also a limited budget.
There is always a balancing act between recognising that volunteers do most of the work at our club levels [unlike SEABL where they all have paid administrators] and the fact is that not all volunteers respond as quickly as we would like at times. That's not meant to be a disparaging comment just a recognition that sometimes people are time poor and it takes a while to get around to things.
Yeah we could wave a stick and fine people. It's really easy to do that and yes maybe we bring everything forward by a few weeks. But even if we do that there are still likely to be hiccups and in the end that may not make any difference to the time the fixtures ultimately get out.
johnyboy
19-02-2010, 08:58 AM
BUT...surely 4 weeks before the season starts is not good enough. Its not good enough to just say yes we should do better and not actually try and show the clubs and supporters that you are doing so.
Continued improvment is a must and over the last few years I would say that real improvment has not occured.
Why cant you have all clubs sign on before the AGM and then sanction them if they fail to deliver. Those sanctions could be either points or money. Maybe a loss of home games but make them more accountable.
I think the league needs to stop hidding behind the volunteers argument and thier so called charter while at the same time trying to be a semi pro org. Maybe its time to revisit just why its exist's and what its purpose is. I say its not about "basketball for all" thats domestic crap. If its about building a strong and well run, officiated league then I think its needs to change. If its about "participation" then stop trying to be something you never will be.
I really dont think you can be both without diluting the quality and standards.
BUT...surely 4 weeks before the season starts is not good enough. Its not good enough to just say yes we should do better and not actually try and show the clubs and supporters that you are doing so.
Continued improvment is a must and over the last few years I would say that real improvment has not occured.
Why cant you have all clubs sign on before the AGM and then sanction them if they fail to deliver. Those sanctions could be either points or money. Maybe a loss of home games but make them more accountable.
I think the league needs to stop hidding behind the volunteers argument and thier so called charter while at the same time trying to be a semi pro org. Maybe its time to revisit just why its exist's and what its purpose is. I say its not about "basketball for all" thats domestic crap. If its about building a strong and well run, officiated league then I think its needs to change. If its about "participation" then stop trying to be something you never will be.
I really dont think you can be both without diluting the quality and standards.
But isn't participation the whole point of Big V?
As far as I'm concerned, the league exists so that players at adult level can invest themselves in an 'elite' manner through their clubs; training regularly and seeking to play at the highest level they are capable of doing. For some clubs/players, that means Champ division, others division 3.
At present, Big V is the only league in Victoria (if not Australia?) that does this. And its a damn good thing it does to. IMO, the biggest problem basketball has is that its adult members are not properly engaged with the sport - thousands play domestic leagues once a week (the 'domestic crap' condescendingly referred to above, although why it is a bad thing that people play basketball i don't totally understand). Big V helps retain interest in basketball for people into their adult years, and that is good.
the draw, however, has become an annual farce. The problem comes from the expansion of Youth League, which means 4 (and in a couple of cases 6-8) teams are playing out of one stadium, so as Loz says, there is so little room in the fixture to move that any changes end up throwing everything out of whack. It also makes for some bizarre fixturing (like teams not playing each other until week 15 of the season, then playing 3 times in 2 weeks). perhaps its time to move Youth League to another night (but when? Where?). Or make the season longer, with more bye weeks or something to help solve fixture issues.
An additional concern might be the 'professionalism' of the league - if anything, its too high in my view. The fact is, it takes roughly 15-20 volunteers (including refs, a 5-person scorebench, stats, video, floor-wipers, etc) to run a single game night. Considering that covers 20 or 40 players, thats an extraordinary ratio of volunteers to players (and to crowds, which mostly hover around the 20-50 mark for lower tiers). With 100 teams in action each week, across maybe 25 venues, you are talking roughly 400-500 volunteers required to run the competition each week. That seems very, very high, and its no wonder that clubs have difficulty finding quality people and coordinating them each week.
johnyboy
19-02-2010, 12:16 PM
Make up your mind. Is it about participation or is it an elite comp. If its elite then it needs to be run, administered and played at a professional level but if its about getting more players and having fun then who cares if you play in run down cold, leaking stadium in Sherbrook or you cant get a full score bench. Even if it is run by volunteers they still need to be good at what they do and clubs need to be able to meet the standard. You cant keep lowering the standards and stay elite.
Elite (occasionally spelled élite) is taken originally from the Latin, eligere, "to elect". In sociology as in general usage, the elite is a relatively small dominant group within a large society, having a privileged status perceived as being envied by others of a lower line of order.
NOT my words BTW. Thats from a dictionary.
Factor
19-02-2010, 01:15 PM
Its completely and totally unacceptable for the fixture to take this long. SEABL can do it.
It should be out by December, no ifs or buts.
If a club can't organize themselves and commit a venue and team 3 months out from the season how can they guarantee its availability for the next 6 months..????
At the very least Champ Men and Women who are supposed to be an elite level league should.
If that's the case and they are elite level in the eyes of Big V and the rest is about "participation" at-least publish their fixtures so those clubs can promote games, publish calendars etc.
Very mickey mouse....
Make up your mind. Is it about participation or is it an elite comp. If its elite then it needs to be run, administered and played at a professional level but if its about getting more players and having fun then who cares if you play in run down cold, leaking stadium in Sherbrook or you cant get a full score bench. Even if it is run by volunteers they still need to be good at what they do and clubs need to be able to meet the standard. You cant keep lowering the standards and stay elite.
Elite (occasionally spelled élite) is taken originally from the Latin, eligere, "to elect". In sociology as in general usage, the elite is a relatively small dominant group within a large society, having a privileged status perceived as being envied by others of a lower line of order.
NOT my words BTW. Thats from a dictionary.
I don't eliteness and participation as mutually exclusive.
In this case, the 'elected' few are those chosen to represent their club at the highest level possible. There are several tiers available. But all are players who are at the highest standard within their club, training to be the best that they can be. Not everyone can play (or at least not at Championship level), but they can all aspire to play (and play Youth League, or in MMBL or just train in the mean-time).
Compare basketball to football. Just about every football club has a senior program, with players training regularly and therefore investing in the sport and their club. That keeps people involved, and ultimately flows on to professional level. Yet in basketball, we basically kick people out of organised sport once they reach adult level, leaving them to social teams. Then we wonder why they aren't invested enough to go and watch an NBL game. Why should SEABL-calibre players be a privileged group, getting paid to play 4th-tier basketball off the? They certainly aren't 'elite' in basketball terms, or at least I don't see why the line is drawn between Championship division and the grades below (the gap between, say, NBL and SEABL is far bigger than the gap between SEABL and Champ division, or Div 2 and Div 3)
What I also question is the level of involvement required of volunteers by the Big V. Is it really necessary to have a 5-person scorebench for div 3 women? Why can't you have a 3-person bench (one person doing sheet, one visuals, one shot clock?). Do we need stats for Youth League? Could we go to a one-person stats bench (taking points, rebounds and assists only)? We certainly don't need floor-wipers or video tape of games (unless teams/clubs want to). None of these things really affect the quality of play to any degree (and in the case of stats, may actually harm the way the game is played). Yet all require a volunteer involvement.
Its completely and totally unacceptable for the fixture to take this long. SEABL can do it.
SEABL are as relevant to this argument as the AFL are - different competition, different clubs who control their own venues. But obviously no real point belabouring that point is there Factor.
If a club can't organize themselves and commit a venue and team 3 months out from the season how can they guarantee its availability for the next 6 months..????
At the very least Champ Men and Women who are supposed to be an elite level league should.
Read the previous posts. We can put out a fixture in December but I guarantee it will change. It doesn't have a lot to do with whether the clubs "organise" themselves or not, they don't control the venues. Here's some of the issues - two clubs lost their venues, one club with four teams has 10 available dates, six teams play out of one venue, other clubs lost dates because of maintenance that they don't control and that's just some of the issues. Some of these are on the original fixture requests received pre-Christmas, some have arisen in the last few weeks. All of them complicate the process and draw it out. Would we like to dictate, of course, but so what, the venues still wouldn't be available.
That's what I love about Forums, anonymous people making sweeping statements without proper context. If you want us to say we would have liked them out earlier then I'll say yes we would have. But I'm telling you it wasn't possible for many reasons.
johnyboy
19-02-2010, 03:05 PM
LoZ , obviously Factor is not on the same planet so its a waste of time justifying things to him/her. I do however still say clubs need to be more accountable and held to a high standard. There will always be last minute issues but you need to ask are we at the point where it just cannot grow any more without building more courts and paying more people.
Do you agree that we have reached the tipping point and cannot grow much more ? If yes then its now time to consolidate and improve NOT expand.
johnyboy
19-02-2010, 03:14 PM
Btdg, just one comment so far as I will respond in depth later.
If you think " but they can all aspire to play (and play Youth League, or in MMBL or just train in the mean-time).
" is an accurate statement then you have never played Big V yourself.
Not everyone can play YL in fact its tougher than D3 sometimes. The number of players I see at try outs who come from a domestic background and have NFI about playing at Big V levels astounds me. If you want to expand just to allow them to play Big V then I hope you never make the decisions in the sport.
BTW, MMBL is a glorified domestic comp where most teams dont train. Some are made up from Big V players who use them for practice in pre season. Why else is there no finals in the summer league, because no one cares.
Factor
19-02-2010, 06:55 PM
Bag me all you like, the state of play is a joke, no fixtures 4 weeks out? nobody can defend that position.
If teams and Clubs cant commit 3 months out kick them out, make it a legit ELITE competition, its been watered down and excusses made for too long.........
SEABL is killing you weather you want to accept it or not, keep Big V elite.. not domestic...
fouls
19-02-2010, 06:59 PM
tHEY ARE NOW ON THE WEBSITE
Btdg, just one comment so far as I will respond in depth later.
If you think " but they can all aspire to play (and play Youth League, or in MMBL or just train in the mean-time).
" is an accurate statement then you have never played Big V yourself.
Not everyone can play YL in fact its tougher than D3 sometimes. The number of players I see at try outs who come from a domestic background and have NFI about playing at Big V levels astounds me. If you want to expand just to allow them to play Big V then I hope you never make the decisions in the sport.
BTW, MMBL is a glorified domestic comp where most teams dont train. Some are made up from Big V players who use them for practice in pre season. Why else is there no finals in the summer league, because no one cares.
I agree 100%. That is why I said "aspire" to play. That doesn't mean showing up in January and getting a game. It may mean spending 2-3 years practicing and adjusting to 'elite' basketball (with full timing rules, shot clocks, 12-player rotations etc.).
But having D3 allows domestic players looking for a bit more to at least 'aspire'. It'd be bloody difficult to adjust from domestic level to Champ level - probably out of reach for most basketballers in fact. But most good players, if they are prepared to spend time and effort working hard, can aspire to play D3 level. And that is a good thing for the sport.
YL helps with this, but mainly for the big clubs- it helps them keep young players around long enough to develop into Champ or D1 level players. For the rest, we need the lower levels, if nothing else to keep those people invested in the sport (just like footy has the amateurs, and high quality local leagues where teams train, etc).
MMBL is another matter altogether. But its a cheap alternative to youth league and a club-based competition, albeit a poorly organised one that no-one cares about.
Bag me all you like, the state of play is a joke, no fixtures 4 weeks out? nobody can defend that position.
If teams and Clubs cant commit 3 months out kick them out, make it a legit ELITE competition, its been watered down and excusses made for too long.........
SEABL is killing you weather you want to accept it or not, keep Big V elite.. not domestic...
Why do you think we're in competition with SEABL? And killing us why? Because their clubs have the capacity to spend a couple of hundred grand a year or more on their programs?
I don't need to bag you. You're anonymous. What makes your opinion king? If you're gonna have a crack have the guts to go by your real name. Then we might know whether or not to give your opinion any credibility. There are plenty of SEABL trolls on these Boards over the years who snipe at every opportunity. Why don't you recognise there's a place for both competitions?
LoZ , obviously Factor is not on the same planet so its a waste of time justifying things to him/her. I do however still say clubs need to be more accountable and held to a high standard. There will always be last minute issues but you need to ask are we at the point where it just cannot grow any more without building more courts and paying more people.
Do you agree that we have reached the tipping point and cannot grow much more ? If yes then its now time to consolidate and improve NOT expand.
I think we're close to saturation point in the metro area anyway. The pity is that the number of country teams have dropped away so much over the last 10 years. And that's a societal issue - drift of young people to the city plus the money that footy is able to throw at athletes.
I've had plenty of conversations with people over the years about what the Big V role really is and I agree that as an organisation we can do more to assist clubs to improve their standards and there are some things in train to do that which will be rolled out over the next few months.
But there is an argument that role ought really to be left to the governing bodies and I think that is an area that could use major improvement.
Before I left Knox I was involved on a BA working group that was being established to assist Associations to develop and I was really looking forward to participating in that. I've been out of the loop but I don't think it got any legs.
That's why the factors of the world give me the absolute brazen bits. It's easy to sit back and bag the small Associations who rely almost entirely on volunteers. Those Associations have as much right to aspire to play at the highest level they possibly can and anonymous sniping serves no value at all.
And given the degree of snappiness in my previous reply let me state once and for all that I have over the years enjoyed the SEABL competition and was for a time on their strategic planning sub committee. Both organisations serve their constituents well and there is room for both and I find the whole SEABL versus Big V flames boring, unhelpful and usually made out of ignorance.
I don't want to look like I am bagging - but seeing as comments are being criticised - I wanted to be explicit about what I was saying.
To me to look at the website so close to the season commencing, and still see last years fixtures, is not a good look.
Sounding like you are making excuses for that too I don't think is a good look - it just seems too defensive to me.
Saying yes that is not good enough, but here are the reasons it happened this year, and how we will do better next year, would I think be a better approach.
You can say the system is at fault for not letting you remove the old fixtures until you put up the final new fixtures - but if that is really correct - and I didn't think the sporting pulse system worked like that - then that has to be something to add to the list of improvements required - systems should make things better - not worse.
At the very least I would have expected a home page note to explain what was happening with the fixtures - and if there was one that I missed - then my apologies.
I would be disappointed Loz if you were becoming more like so many other basketball leaders who are so sensitive to anything that resembles criticism and feel that the primary response needs to be to go on the attack.
I know some stand alone assoc are better run (not yours PATM :) ).
Are we talking franga? :fight:
Factor
19-02-2010, 11:37 PM
Why do you think we're in competition with SEABL? And killing us why? Because their clubs have the capacity to spend a couple of hundred grand a year or more on their programs?
I don't need to bag you. You're anonymous. What makes your opinion king? If you're gonna have a crack have the guts to go by your real name. Then we might know whether or not to give your opinion any credibility. There are plenty of SEABL trolls on these Boards over the years who snipe at every opportunity. Why don't you recognise there's a place for both competitions?
There's a place for both but not without scrutiny....
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Sounding like you are making excuses for that too I don't think is a good look - it just seems too defensive to me.
Firstly I wasn't making excuses I was giving explanantions as to what actually impacts on the time required to create the fixture. I said that this is probably the most complicated fixture in Australian sport and I meant it. There are a handful of people who have done it in the past and I'm sure they would agree with me. People can have opinions but I have more respect for those opinions if the person voicing them is open and honest about who they are and what they've done.
Saying yes that is not good enough, but here are the reasons it happened this year, and how we will do better next year, would I think be a better approach.
A reasonable point.
You can say the system is at fault for not letting you remove the old fixtures until you put up the final new fixtures - but if that is really correct - and I didn't think the sporting pulse system worked like that - then that has to be something to add to the list of improvements required - systems should make things better - not worse.
At the very least I would have expected a home page note to explain what was happening with the fixtures - and if there was one that I missed - then my apologies.
Don't think there was one. There were certainly notes out to the delegates. Again maybe that is something we'll look at in future. And the website is in the process of a total redesign.
I would be disappointed Loz if you were becoming more like so many other basketball leaders who are so sensitive to anything that resembles criticism and feel that the primary response needs to be to go on the attack.
I've been a volunteer in many levels of this sport for more than 20 years now and had the privilege of working full time in it for a time as well. And I've been at a small Association with few resources and the largest with huge riches. The thing they all have in common is an army of people prepared to put time and effort into making them better. And that's why I get annoyed when there is unjustifed criticism of their efforts. Talk about expelling clubs or belittling the standards they may reach is offensive to me. And again, maybe we could make a proper evaluation of the worth of the criticism if the people making it weren't anonymous.
I don't see this as an attack but a response to an attack.
I have always been an advocate of the organisations that I have been associated with, at domestic club, Association and League level but I like to think I've done that in the context of what is best for the sport rather than any narrow interests, and I make no apologies for doing the same thing here. See it as an attack if you wish but I'm getting way too old to change now.
There's a place for both but not without scrutiny....
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Now there's a selective answer
People can have opinions but I have more respect for those opinions if the person voicing them is open and honest about who they are and what they've done.
While I prefer to be open and honest in all things, I can understand anyone not wanting to put their name to any criticism of basketball administration and leadership. The standard response is all too often an attack. And if your kids are involved there are those, and at the highest levels, who have no problem threatening and delivering on wrecking your kids opportunities - and I have seen that first hand on too many occasions.
And again, maybe we could make a proper evaluation of the worth of the criticism if the people making it weren't anonymous.
I don't see this as an attack but a response to an attack.
If I might be so bold, I think you are overly fixated on anonymous attackers. The highest quality leaders always welcome all opinions, especially those that are attacking. You will often find your future strongest allies in your current biggest critics. That is, if you've got what it takes to manage the process.
And I am sure I'm not telling you anything you don't know in theory.
If at all possible please don't take it as a criticism. As you might remember I have been a fan of yours in yoru previous life.
See it as an attack if you wish but I'm getting way too old to change now.
But I do see this is as attacking the critics. And it is I believe the path to the dark side for any leader. And it is especially popular with much of the basketball leadership I have so far experienced.
No doubt you are also aware that you are NEVER too old to change.
And if you really do feel that way it is probably time to give it away :)
Big V Boy
26-02-2010, 12:37 PM
Big V Overtime Magazine Released
http://www.bigv.com.au/index.php?id=14&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=1519&tx_ttnews[backPid]=1&cHash=4146a9fe93
Features:
Marcus Timmons Suits Up For D2M
Corletto Switches Sides
The Best Imports Of All Time
Brian Vaughns Coaching Philosphy
Check it out!
It was just time for us older guys to
move on and let guys like Bo Westover and Robbie Stoner step up
Should be playing for the artists formerly known as Cranbourne Ice.
Big V Boy
18-03-2010, 05:55 PM
First round of Big V this weekend.
Check out the Big V website for Lay-Up Larry's pre-season tips where he predicts where every team will finish across all divisions- a great read.
Wizzel08
23-03-2010, 07:01 AM
There are a heap of new teams in D3, did anyone stand out????
RedbackVenom
23-03-2010, 07:38 AM
Mildura stood out for mine in D3. They thumped Warrandyte in both games. Their American import posted some impressive numbers in racking up two big double-doubles, but their combined 3-point shooting in game 2 was also very impressive.
The Heat are now looking like the team to beat in D3.
flourbomber
23-03-2010, 09:45 AM
Redback, impressive numbers indeed. Your post prompted me to look at the box score, and to my surprise it would appear that the 2 games in Mildura were played over 48 minutes. Is that correct?? Aren't all divisions playing a 40 minute game....what is going on here?
outer east
23-03-2010, 01:19 PM
The guy Mildura picked up is that Smith from Mt Gambier that was let go due to $$$$$, if it is Mildura will be unbeatable in Div 3. And what a let down for him from SEABL to Div 3 Big V........
RedbackVenom
23-03-2010, 03:48 PM
The guy Mildura picked up is that Smith from Mt Gambier that was let go due to $$$$$, if it is Mildura will be unbeatable in Div 3. And what a let down for him from SEABL to Div 3 Big V........
Yes - the same Kevin Smith that was cut loose by Mt Gambier. He was a beast by all accounts, and I doubt anyone in D3 will be able to handle him.
As for the 12 min quarters, looking at the stats it does appear they played 4 x 12's (I was not there myself)!!! They should have been 10's!
Big V front office should look into that further one would think.
Old Hack
23-03-2010, 08:13 PM
Redback, impressive numbers indeed. Your post prompted me to look at the box score, and to my surprise it would appear that the 2 games in Mildura were played over 48 minutes. Is that correct?? Aren't all divisions playing a 40 minute game....what is going on here?
Yeh I noticed the boxscore had players with more than 40 minutes but just thought it was the usual problems with Mildura's stats.
Obviously they thought it didn't apply to their games in MILDURA!
Look seriously - thought the 40 minutes games were lacking the feel of a real quality Men's game you get when you play 48 minutes. It might only be 8 minutes less but it has the feel of a 4 quarter A Grade Domestic game.
You feel like there's still a quarter to play when the game is over.
Just not the same.
Certainly a move backwards for basketball in Australia!
the voice #31
23-03-2010, 08:48 PM
Yeh I noticed the boxscore had players with more than 40 minutes but just thought it was the usual problems with Mildura's stats.
Obviously they thought it didn't apply to their games in MILDURA!
Look seriously - thought the 40 minutes games were lacking the feel of a real quality Men's game you get when you play 48 minutes. It might only be 8 minutes less but it has the feel of a 4 quarter A Grade Domestic game.
You feel like there's still a quarter to play when the game is over.
Just not the same.
Certainly a move backwards for basketball in Australia!
Absolutely agree with you. Have seen a half dozen SEABL games this year and one felt like it was the distance. Maybe it's cos I drove 2 hours to see it. Feel almost robbed!!!
Wizzel08
24-03-2010, 07:33 AM
Thanks for the info guys, i did find out that the games did only go 40 mins and thank god for that, could you imagine what Smiths stats would have been if they did play 48 lol
flourbomber
24-03-2010, 08:51 PM
Wizzel. Thank you for that, but can you provide some further explanation. How do u explain that minutes add up to 240, rather than 200????? Just seems odd to me.
Wizzel08
25-03-2010, 09:21 AM
Sorry, but i have no idea how it worked out that way, maybe being in the country they dont worry to much about the time, its pretty laid back in Mildura.:)
Chelsea Gulls (D2M) have signed former NBA and NBL player Adonis Jordan (http://bit.ly/cA5Bop)
He scored 28 points (9-13 FG, 5-7 3PT) in his first game last night.
Old Hack
11-04-2010, 01:25 PM
Thats a pretty impressive pick up by the Gulls - should certainly raise the profile of basketball at Chelsea as it is only a small Club.
Big V Boy
16-04-2010, 09:18 AM
The latest edition of overtime is fresh off the shelves and ready for you to digest.
Overtime 7 features:
* Big V's own Briggite Ardossi drafted into the WNBA
* Ex-NBA player Adonis Jordan suits up for the Gulls
* Q&A with Al Westover
* The rise of Sunbury Jet Alex Bogart-King
Overtime 7 (http://www.bigv.com.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/MARCH_COTM_POTM/Overtime_7.pdf)
Super
19-04-2010, 10:31 PM
Kevin Smith is worth the price off admission alone .
Wizzel08
20-04-2010, 08:12 AM
I agree Super, and if you get a chance to speak to him he is one of the most humble and nice guys you will meet. I think he is great for the league and not just Mildura.
Is this the same Kevin Smith that played with Mt Gambier last year? If so, thats ridiculous.
Wizzel08
21-04-2010, 02:15 PM
Yes it is the same Kevin Smith, why would you say that?
You would think he is way above Division 3 competition.
Big V Boy
22-04-2010, 04:24 PM
Please check out the new and improved Big V Website that has gone live!
Big V Website (http://www.bigv.com.au/index.php?id=748)
RedbackVenom
23-04-2010, 07:50 AM
You would think he is way above Division 3 competition.
Of course he is, but he landed in Oz, got dumped by Mt Gambier, and got offered a spot at Mildura to play instead. Better than not playing at all fter travelling half-way across the globe.
Old Hack
27-04-2010, 10:32 PM
Some interesting results so far after Round 5 of the 2010 Big V Season
CM - Ringwood were always going to be the big improver with the off season pick-ups but Diamond Valley have stepped up and Hume have got off to a better start this year than 2009. Eltham probably the most disappointing so far and will struggle to get wins.
CW - Waverley continuing on from last season with Geelong the big improver. Melbourne have fallen away from last season but have been close in a couple of games. Ringwood have won two more games than I thought they would all season so I guess I'm eating humble pie.
D1M - Who would have picked newly promoted Melbourne Uni to be leading this competition after Round 5 while Geelong with their boom recruit Jason Reardon just cruising along nicely. Altona another surprise packet with some good wins this season while Sunbury are finding it tough after losing a couple of last seasons starters to be the biggest disappointment. Keysborough are where I thought they'd be but have been close in most games.
D1W - Warnambool after totally dominating their opposition for the first 5 games - the question must be why didn't they go CW with this line up. Warrandyte looking good for finals while the surprise here is Whittlesea stepping up from D2W are really impressing. The disappointment is Werribee who having won D1W in 2009 would probably struggle to win games with this line-up in D2W this season.
D2M - Keilor undefeated so far but haven't played enough games to convince anyone as yet while Latrobe City looking very strong but perhaps could have played D1M in 2010 rather than drop two divisions. Mornington a surprise having come up from D3M are now starting to play some good team basketball having been together a few seasons. Horsham going from being almost D2M Champions in 2009 to not really wanting to be in the competition in 2010. Lot of player turnover out there but should be able to get better results unless they are planning a return to D3M.
D2W - Keilor have impressed in 2010 but would have expected this having been one of the few remaining D2W teams from last year. McKinnon are the surprise and deserve to be at the top with some very impressive performances. Chelsea & Western Port have also done well stepping up a Division while Mornington have struggled after their off season dramas.
D3M - Are Mildura looking to get back to SEABL? Probably not just yet but would certainly consider moving up a division or two if they can continue with this line up. Melton were looking impressive until Pakenham burst their bubble last week while the three new teams Warrandyte, Pakenham & Cranbourne are improving with every game.
Both Maccabi & Darebin former D2M teams have fallen a long way in the last 2-3 years and should be dominating this competition but are equally disappointing so far.
Probably need to review these after another 5 Rounds!
Wizzel08
30-04-2010, 01:54 PM
Can anyone tell me why some teams have to play 2 games and others only 1 game over a weekend in D3M when they travel up to Mildura?
Ummm ... it could have something to do with the fixturing :confused:
37 points and 35 rebounds from Mornington's Rachael Wansbrough tonight.
The Breakers' opponent, Melton, had 42 boards as a team.
Old Hack
02-05-2010, 10:28 AM
The DV Eagles put the sword to Hume City in the Championship Mens & Womens games last night at Broady winning both by 2 points - what's the chances of that result.
It was party time at Chelsea last night as Div 2 Men & Women beat both undefeated Keilor teams to burst their bubbles! Adonis Jordan returned from injury for another top effort.
Rachel Wansbrough 37 points & 35 rebounds including 16 offensive boards - must have been an amazing effort to get her Mornington team its first win of the season.
Big V Boy
14-05-2010, 09:00 AM
Check out the latest of the Big V Mix Series at the link below.
Big V Mix Number Four (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhhqQUpkqsw)
RedbackVenom
20-05-2010, 08:50 AM
New overtime just released...
I'd like to know how Mildura's Kevin Smith was not the POTM for D3 men?
Big V Boy
20-05-2010, 11:26 AM
Have a look at Big V's brand new Online TV Show, Inside Big V.
Check it out at www.bigv.com.au
Southern Joe
22-05-2010, 04:42 PM
.... Who says I don't support local ball ?? :p
If you see a guy with a Kings jacket @ tonight's DV V Eltham game ... thats me !
Come & say g'day. I'll be with some mates.
ALLSTAR BABY
25-05-2010, 12:22 PM
Hume City CM's season is down the sh*tter again! New Coach, some new players but same old cancer in Russell McIntosh playing at the club. One day they might understand why they will not have success with him at the club. Play the kids (Sianidis, Prendergast, A Mitchell, Bartlett, Riches, Carlton) around 2 quality imports (Maybank & Bridgewater) and watch them grow(short term pain, long term gain)! But what would I know I'm just a sh*t cu*t some say?
Big V Boy
27-05-2010, 10:31 AM
Check out the second edition Big V's new TV show, Inside Big V. Justin "Yapper" Nelson and Matthew "Hammer" Cowling reflect on all things Big V, and Callum "Sweet Cal" Chambers interview with Keilor gun Belinda Ancora.
Check it here: Inside Big V Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIW17dKqRUk)
Any word on the scores from last nights all star game v's Japan
RedbackVenom
04-06-2010, 04:36 PM
Any word on the scores from last nights all star game v's Japan
Big V Allstars got a towelling. Check the bigv.com.au website for stats.
Old Hack
14-06-2010, 10:07 AM
The leading teams have well and truly established themselves by Round 11.
SCM - Ringwood despite dropping the 1 game are looking outright favourites to take out this Division. And if they step up a gear come finals can Diamond Valley or Waverley really challenge. Melbourne are the dark horse as they will be tougher under finals pressure.
SCW -Geelong have been the big improver having recruited strongly and the results are outstanding leading the league with 11-2 record. The next 5 teams are all vying for the right to challenge and with the Tigers adding some WNBL experience in Penaluna they are favoured to finish the season strongly and be the Cats biggest threat.
D1M - Geelong again leading the way at the top mostly due to the pick up of Reardon from Supercats while Altona & Melbourne Uni haved both exceeded most peoples expectations and are under pressure to maintain there good form. Southern Pen the Dark Horse who should challenge the Cats come finals when the intensity steps up.
D1W - Warrnambool - no one has got near them apart from Sunbury which is a little surprising - just give them the trophy now and move them up to SCW.
D2M - Chelsea have been one of the big improvers in 2010 and with 9-1 record look to be on track for a 1st place finish but the other big improver Mornington have taken all challenges before them and hung tough in some close battles to deserve their 10-2 second place position. However the top 4 are by no means locked in with the next 5 teams all capable of having an impact over the last 7 rounds to change the positions final two positions.
D2W - McKinnon despite losing their first game to close contender 2nd placed Chelsea last round look like they will finish top as their run home is all against much weaker teams. Keilor have probably done enough to get third while Westernport & Blackburn will fight out the last spot remaining.
D3M - Mildura have continued to fight off all challengers to remain undefeated but the margins are getting smaller and come finals time the pressure may be too great to stop an upset. They will finish on top with probably Melton & Warrandyte to be the next main threats while Camberwell have fallen away in recent weeks.
Looking forward to the next 5 Rounds as teams jostle to make finals so expect a few upsets along the way.
The Big V Forum is back.
www.bigv.com.au
Overtime Magazine - Volume 9 (http://url4t.com/nDI )
FEATURING:
An image fest from Big V Allstars Vs Japan
DV's YLW coach Rod Sweeney talks development
Waverley's Kevin Benn shows us his best asset
We're claiming her as our own - Rachael Wansbrough is our rising star
AND LOADS MORE
Lolly_snack
02-07-2010, 11:52 AM
WOW.....
http://www.bigv.com.au/index.php?id=755&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=1757&tx_ttnews[backPid]=743&cHash=2484c4d76d
End of 2013.....????
He stomped on the guys head. You would think 3 and a half years is fair enough. Don't need that shit in our game....
Lolly_snack
02-07-2010, 03:28 PM
Haven't heard full reports, heard minimal, so just going from the website!
Big V Boy
23-07-2010, 09:10 AM
Big V TV Episode 9, have a look.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSeQ0kv9a_A
Big V Boy
30-07-2010, 12:23 PM
Check out Episode 10 of Big V TV:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFfesJN64FE
outer east
09-08-2010, 08:07 AM
Went and had a look at Warrandyte v Warrnambool Div 1 women yesterday and saw a great game by both teams and must also mention the standard of Referring which was great and the 2 refs keep control of a fast paced pressure game. Warrnambools first loss of the season and will be under a lot of pressure next week.
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