2011/12 Keeper League Discussion

[Nerf Herder]

Originally Posted by Silencer83

Yes, especially as even if you don't have players on your own team that you want you may decide to bid on an RFA from another team if their GM nominates them as a Keeper.

Presactly... some good opportunities for some quality list making

I think I've got a draft order/popularity excel page set up somewhere... I should check it and include RFAs...

Although could be a waste of time before we know who is coming back... meh, what else have I got to do?

[Silencer83]

I thought I knew who I would be keeping for next season but with some late season matters I now only have one definite.

NBL MVP Kevin Lisch

[Nerf Herder]

Originally Posted by Silencer83

I thought I knew who I would be keeping for next season but with some late season matters I now only have one definite.

NBL MVP Kevin Lisch

yeah well, look how getting an NBL MVP (-1pt) worked out for SOME this season

Well, there isn't much on offer for me (unless someone has too many options and would like to trade me one for a Wildcat player? Anyone want Robbins? Wildcat fanboys? ) so I guess I'll be keeping my rookies Bose and Bartlett.

I won't be fooled again with fancy trade talk, that's for sure! my bench was atrocious! lol...

[Silencer83]

Originally Posted by Nerf Herder

yeah well, look how getting an NBL MVP (-1pt) worked out for SOME this season

Ah but the price you paid was much higher than 1 second round draft pick. I'm sure you would have been happy to have Jules for that price.

I won't be fooled again with fancy trade talk, that's for sure! my bench was atrocious! lol...

[Nerf Herder]

Originally Posted by Silencer83

Ah but the price you paid was much higher than 1 second round draft pick. I'm sure you would have been happy to have Jules for that price.

Yes, that's true... I certainly hope that you can live with yourself, with the sneaky sneaky business you pulled with me *dramatic sniff*

[whitewind]

Happy to see the runner up MVP sign on for a further 2 years, that my 7th and 6th pick gone for the next 2 years!

[Silencer83]

Originally Posted by whitewind

Happy to see the runner up MVP sign on for a further 2 years, that my 7th and 6th pick gone for the next 2 years!

Very, very good pick up whitewind.

[Nerf Herder]

Just got lucky

[Silencer83]

Originally Posted by Silencer83

A lot of the top 8 will depend on who people decide to keep as well as if everyone decides to stick around next season.

If all players were released top 8 could be:

Khazzouh, Wilkinson, Worthington, Tragardh, Lisch, Johnson, C Jackson, Wilson

6 of those players are eligible for "keeping"

Khazzouh looks gone, Wilkinson looks gone, Trigger isn't signed, Jackson is gone.

There goes half of the top 8. :P

Also Nerf's nightmare continues with the suggestion that Bose may be gone.

[Silencer83]

Hmmm how much stock do I put in Trigger being good at Cairns?

[Mookie]

Can't see why he'd be too much different to his time in Melbourne...

[Silencer83]

Originally Posted by Mookie

Can't see why he'd be too much different to his time in Melbourne...

He has better quality players at his position (Rychart, Loughton, Import) compared to Melbourne (Burston (injured and underplayed), Walker, Lang).

So it is a toss up whether he is worth a third round pick.

[Mookie]

Originally Posted by Silencer83

He has better quality players at his position (Rychart, Loughton, Import) compared to Melbourne (Burston (injured and underplayed), Walker, Lang).

So it is a toss up whether he is worth a third round pick.

I only see one player on that list who has trialled with the Lakers this year.

[Nerf Herder]

*grumble grumble*

/me looks over 11/12 team...

*grumble grumble*

[whitewind]

2012/13 players that can be bid on (assuming all players that were signed remain in the league, and that they were on someones roster):
Jacob Holmes (TSV, F)
Greg Vanderjact (TSV, C)
Diamon Simpson (ADL, F)
Showron Glover (WOL,G)
Adris Deleon (GCB,G)
Everard Bartlett (PER,G)
Myron Allen (MEL, G)

You may get a bit of help there, nerfherder, if you want to bid high enough?

[Nerf Herder]

Some of those players are on teams tho (Holmes on yours, Bartlett on mine) and in the case of Bartlett, since I picked him up from Unrestricted Free Agency, shouldn't he count as my 10th pick?

I think I'm going to have to go back over the rules...

[Silencer83]

Originally Posted by whitewind

2012/13 players that can be bid on (assuming all players that were signed remain in the league, and that they were on someones roster):
Jacob Holmes (TSV, F)
Greg Vanderjact (TSV, C)
Diamon Simpson (ADL, F)
Showron Glover (WOL,G)
Adris Deleon (GCB,G)
Everard Bartlett (PER,G)
Myron Allen (MEL, G)

You may get a bit of help there, nerfherder, if you want to bid high enough?

Only two of those contracted currently, a situation that unfortunately probably won't change.

There looks like being between 16-20 players that would be keeper worthy at the price attached to them (my opinion only).

As you forecast earlier whitewind that may mean someone bumps the price on Holmes just to get one quality player.

[whitewind]

Originally Posted by Nerf Herder

Some of those players are on teams tho (Holmes on yours, Bartlett on mine) and in the case of Bartlett, since I picked him up from Unrestricted Free Agency, shouldn't he count as my 10th pick?

I think I'm going to have to go back over the rules...

Yep, if you got him unrestricted then your laughing, 10th pick. I'm really looking forward to seeing how it goes this season

[whitewind]

Originally Posted by Silencer83

Only two of those contracted currently, a situation that unfortunately probably won't change.

There looks like being between 16-20 players that would be keeper worthy at the price attached to them (my opinion only).

As you forecast earlier whitewind that may mean someone bumps the price on Holmes just to get one quality player.

So no Deleon or Simpson? I haven't followed offseason signatures

[Nerf Herder]

Originally Posted by whitewind

Yep, if you got him unrestricted then your laughing, 10th pick. I'm really looking forward to seeing how it goes this season

Yup, just going back over his drafting and Silencer picked him up off the free market, so that's one little shining light... I've always had an eye for talent, it's just been a bit premature... Drafted Abercrombie a season before he came good and then getting put off him before his breakout season... lol...

No DeLeon, no Simpson... I think the only two returning imports would be Lisch and Wilson?

As Silencer has mentioned previously re: Trigger, it's going to be very interesting with some players moving teams this season and also some new ones coming in... I hope to make a better showing of drafting this time around...

So the draft order is reverse finishing order, yes? I might make a list just so we know where we are and try to predict who is going to keep who

[Silencer83]

Pick	Owner		   Keeper Options		Keeper Options
===========================================================================
1	rimmer6		   D. Martin G (PER)	
2	Razorbacks	   A. Ubaka* G	
3	GMF		   L. Schenscher C (ADL)	
4	Nerf Herder		
5	Hulk Hogan	   L. Nevill C	
6	whitewind	   M. Knight F/C (PER)	
7	Silencer83	   A. Gibson G (GCB)		J. Grant* F/C
8	Mookie		   O. Forman F (WOL)	

9	Mookie		   D. Johnson C (ADL)	
10	Silencer83	   K. Lisch* G (PER)	
11	whitewind	   C. Bruton G (NZB)		P. Mills G
12	Hulk Hogan	   R. Dorsey* G/F (MEL)	
13	Nerf Herder		
14	GMF		   A. Bruce G (SYD)	
15	Razorbacks	   W. Hudson* F/C	
16	rimmer6		   C. Jackson* G	

17	rimmer6		   L. Davidson F/C (WOL)	
18	Razorbacks	   T. Abercrombie G/F (NZB)	
19	GMF		   J. Harvey G/F (SYD)	
20	Nerf Herder	   A. Bose G/F	
21	Hulk Hogan	   S. Weigh F (ADL)	
22	whitewind	   C. Warren G	
23	Silencer83	   C. Tragardh F/C (CNS)	
24	Mookie		   P. Crawford G/F (TSV)	

25	Mookie		   R. Martin G (WOL)	
26	Silencer83	   C. Tovey G/F (PER)		D. Rychart F/C (CNS)
27	whitewind	   I. Crosswhite C (SYD)	
28	Hulk Hogan	   E. Gill G	
29	Nerf Herder		
30	GMF		   T. Coenraad G/F (WOL)	
31	Razorbacks	   B. Hill G/F (CNS)	
32	rimmer6		   M. Cedar G (TSV)	

33	rimmer6		   B. Madgen G (SYD)	
34	Razorbacks	   C. Goulding G (GCB)	
35	GMF		   A. Pledger C (NZB)	
36	Nerf Herder	   E. Mims* F			L. Cooper G
37	Hulk Hogan	   M. Vukona F (NZB)	
38	whitewind	   J. Wagstaff F (PER)	
39	Silencer83		
40	Mookie		

41	Mookie		   M. Burston C (MEL)	
42	Silencer83	   D. Ng G (ADL)		D. Dillon G 
43	whitewind		
44	Hulk Hogan	   D. Williamson G 	
45	Nerf Herder		
46	GMF		   J. Catron* F 	
47	Razorbacks	   D. Corletto G (NZB)	
48	rimmer6		   T. Blanchfield F (TSV)	

49	rimmer6		   T. Greer F (MEL)	
50	Razorbacks	   W. Helliwell C (ret)	
51	GMF		   A. Gynes G/F 	
52	Nerf Herder	   G. Hire F (PER)	
53	Hulk Hogan	   M. Creek F (ADL)	
54	whitewind	   J. Wilson* G (CNS)	
55	Silencer83		
56	Mookie		   L. Rush F (MEL)	

57	Mookie		   L. Walker F (MEL)	
58	Silencer83		
59	whitewind	   J. Cadee G (ADL)	
60	Hulk Hogan	   D. Gruber F/C	
61	Nerf Herder	   G. Dann F (SYD)		T. Demos G (WOL)
62	GMF		   A. Warren* G	
63	Razorbacks	   J. Dowdell F/C	
64	rimmer6		

65	rimmer6		   N. Crosswell G (ADL)	
66	Razorbacks	   B. Anthony F	
67	GMF		   B. Allen F/C (TSV)	
68	Nerf Herder	   B. Robbins G (PER)	
69	Hulk Hogan	   A. Grabau G/F (CNS)	
70	whitewind		
71	Silencer83		
72	Mookie		

73	Mookie		   A. Deleon* G			D. Simpson* F
74	Silencer83	   M. Campbell G (ret)		S. Hoare F (ret)
75	whitewind	   J. Holmes F (TSV)	
76	Hulk Hogan		
77	Nerf Herder	   E. Bartlett G (PER)#	
78	GMF		
79	Razorbacks		
80	rimmer6		   M. Allen* G

Will this do?

[Nerf Herder]

Perfect! (if you don't mind my tidying up for readability? )

That's also to say that the below first round picks are all back on the market...

1 - Julian Khazzouh, C, SYD
2 - Glen Saville, G/F, WOL
3 - Adam Ballinger, F/C, ADL
4 - Shawn Redhage, F, PER
5 - Gary Wilkinson*, F/C, NZB
6 - Mark Worthington, F, GCB
7 - Alex Loughton, F, CNS
8 - Anthony Petrie, F/C, GCB

edit: Also, it's no big secret that I ended up not being a fan of how many GMs we had last season, it just seemed very very crowded and very little wriggle room... What do we think of accepting a resignation if someone who played last season either went MIA since the draft or wants to volunteer to drop their team?

[whitewind]

Are you referring to the 3 teams that didnt make a move all year?
Perfect number was prob only 1 less than what we had. Thatd give another 10 players in the free agency

[Nerf Herder]

Originally Posted by whitewind

Are you referring to the 3 teams that didnt make a move all year?
Perfect number was prob only 1 less than what we had. Thatd give another 10 players in the free agency

Yeah, one less would be ideal I think... and ju8st because I like to prepare, if we DO get some drop offs (which defeats the purpose of a keeper league I know, but things happen) shall we just rebuild to that magic 7 GM number?

There's a lot of greyed out names still on that list still... I think it's going to be an interesting draft

[Silencer83]

Basic rundown of where all the clubs are at:

ADELAIDE
Crosswell/ Cadee
Import*/
Weigh/Creek
Johnson/Import*
Schenscher/

CAIRNS
Wilson*/
Gliddon/Steindl
Hill/Grabau
Loughton/Import*
Tragardh/Rychart

GOLD COAST

MELBOURNE
Import*/Tomlinson
Dorsey*/Lewis
Greer/Rush
Ballinger/Walker
Burston/

NEW ZEALAND
Import*/
Corletto/Bruton
Abercrombie/Henry
Vukona/Boucher
Pledger/Import*

PERTH
Martin/Robbins
Lisch*/Bartlett
Tovey/Hire
Redhage/Wagstaff
Knight/Trueman

SYDNEY
Henry*/Martin
Madgen/Bruce
Harvey/Smith
Lazare*/Garlepp
Crosswhite/Dann

TOWNSVILLE
Cedar/Norton
Import*/Cedar
Crawford/Blanchfield
Holmes/Hinder
Import*/Allen

WOLLONGONG
Martin/Demos
Import*/Coenraad
Import*/Saville
Forman/
Davidson/

italics for rumoured signings